Radio Goldy

I’m filling in for Dave Ross this morning on News/Talk 710-KIRO. Here’s how the show is shaping up thus far:

9AM: If it’s not Boeing, is Congress not going?
With Rep. Norm Dicks blaming Boeing’s tanker deal loss on last minute criteria changes, and House Appropriations chair John Murtha suggesting that he is considering legislation to hold up the contract, the controversy only gets hotter. Rep. Jim McDermott joins us at the top of the hour to give us the lowdown on the latest developments. Does outsourcing this contract represent a national security concern, or just an economic one? And if it’s the latter, is that reason enough to hold up a defense contract?

9:30AM: Will the Dems get a do-over in FL and MI?
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean is urging Florida and Michigan party officials to repeat their presidential primaries, a possibility that seems increasingly likely now that it is clear that neither Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton can garner enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination prior to the convention. Also… an exploration of the “cult” of Obama.

10AM: Do “house daddies” make for happier marriages?
Men are helping out more at home, and studies suggest that this trend may result in healthier, happier marriages. Um… it didn’t work so well for this divorced, former house daddy, but then, maybe an SOB like me isn’t exactly the best control subject?

11AM: Dueling headlines… what’s really up in our local housing market?
The Seattle P-I today cheerily tells us that the housing market is “perking up,” while the Seattle Times blearily bemoans our housing “slump.” Local real-estate blogger Timothy Ellis of “Seattle Bubble” joins us to help straighten things out.

Tune in this morning (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).


  1. 1

    David spews:

    I look forward to the discussion at 11. Personally, although I should do more, I do whatever I can to help my wife around the house. Married guys, if you want to put your woman “in the mood,” there really is NOTHING that works as well as cleaning the kitchen, folding a load of laundry (even if you don’t do it well), or taking the garbage out without her asking you too.

  2. 2

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Goldy confessed:

    it didn’t work so well for this divorced, former house daddy, but then, maybe an SOB like me isn’t exactly the best control subject?

    Women don’t want wimps as a mate.

  3. 3

    ratcityreprobate spews:

    Saw someplace, I forget where, that it would cost about $7.5 million apiece to hold new primaries in Florida and Michigan. That $15 million would be less than a week’s worth of receipts for Clinton and Obama at last months pace of taking in donatins. They should front the cost of new primaries. It would be good for the party and the public if not for them.

  4. 5

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 3: I’m guessing that the cost would be considerably less if they went with caucuses, instead of primaries.

  5. 6

    rhp6033 spews:

    Speaking of real estate values:

    WaMU has decided that it will insulate it’s highest-level officers from any consequences of the companies’ lending decisions. They will scrub out any consequences of the current real-estate and sub-prime mortgage problems when determining the company’s profit for the purpose of computing CEO’s bonuses.


    Of course, employees and borrowers will get the shaft as usual. The CEOs & the Republicans who support them will shrug their shoulders, mumble something about a “free market”, and “people taking responsibility for their own decisions”, and then pretend that they don’t understand the disparity between their actions (i.e., hypocracy).

    (Gee – I’ve got an annual review comming up at the end of this month. Perhaps I should tell them that I need a big bonus of 3X my annual salary in order to “incentivise me” to perform? Oh, and let’s forget about last year’s dissapointing financial performance in the department for which I am responsible, while we are at it.)

  6. 7

    rhp6033 spews:

    Oh, and the Saudi’s have served notice that they will not continue to bail us out of problems by pumping more oil, as they have in the past.

    “OPEC President Chakib Khelil told reporters the global market is being affected by what he called “the mismanagement of the U.S. economy,” and that America’s problems were a key factor in the cartel’s decision to hold off on any action….

    “What is driving oil prices up to the stratospheric level of over $100 per barrel is the U.S. economy, now undeniably in recession,” he said. “It’s not so much the price of oil is going up — it’s that the value of the U.S. dollar, sad to say, is slumping.”


    Bush & his Republican cohorts did it to themselves, and now they are whining that the Saudis aren’t picking up the tab. “Khelil’s comments came a day after President Bush lashed out at the organization for allowing high prices.”


    Reminds me of a small, spoiled child, who breaks his toy and then pitches a fit when his mother won’t buy him another one right away.

  7. 9

    michael spews:


    House Approves Mental Health Bill

    By ANDREW MIGA – 16 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House voted Wednesday to require equal health insurance coverage for mental and physical illnesses when policies cover both.

    The 268-148 roll call was cheered by advocates who have been fighting more than a decade for what has come to be called mental health parity.

    Supporters said the measure would help end the stigma of mental illness and create greater access for people needing mental health and addiction treatment.

  8. 10

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    I’m still hoping someone will start looking into how many American lives were lost when McCain was giving up names in prison.

  9. 11

    correctnotright spews:

    Goldy – I applaud you for being a Dad for your kids. Being a stay at home Mom or Dad is a tough job. I spent some time with my kids when they were younger and that time is irreplaceable. I am glad I did it – and my career hasn’t suffered all that much from it. I can always climb back up the career ladder – but I can’t go back in time to get to know my kids.
    @2: Marvin – You are just a juvenile. Maybe someone should have spent more time with you so you didn’t end up as a deliquent.

  10. 13

    ArtFart spews:

    10 I want to end the Publican reign of terror as much as anyone else, but man, that’s WAY out of line.

  11. 14

    michael spews:

    “Does outsourcing this contract represent a national security concern, or just an economic one? And if it’s the latter, is that reason enough to hold up a defense contract?”

    You mean to say that economic concerns aren’t national security concerns? I’d argue that our current economic state is out largest national security concern.

  12. 18

    Hannah spews:

    @ 15 – this is a great program and thought up by young teens! I have donated my old cell phones to this cause and a few calling cards.

  13. 19

    correctnotright spews:

    Hye Goldie:
    More on the theme of republican corruption and ineptness:
    The national republican campaign committee continues the republican record of patriotism in pursuit of criminal corruption. They faked audits and the hundreds of thousands of dollars are unaccounted for or stolen and this could exrted to the republican campaigns who worked closely with the prominent republican fundraiser and campaign operative, Chris Ward.

    Gee- this on top of the washington state republican non-counting in the primaries….is there a trend? Can we find a non-corrupt republican – or have they all left the party?


  14. 21

    ArtFart spews:

    Lemme see….two Bush-appointed US attorneys and an apparently bent judge joined forces to railroad Don Siegelman from likely second-term governor of Alabama to jailbird, for a supposed campaign-financing impropriety.

    So, how come Dino Rossi gets a pass for running a campaign disguised as some sort of “think-tank” for months?

  15. 22


    There is a bigger issue in re the tanker. That issue is whether then administration has once again been incompetent.

    A decision like this like must have the attention of the President for many reasons. For example, we are always negotiating with the EU over trade issues, including in the not so far off past the EU decisions to build a European Strike Fighter as a competitor to US equipment and decisions by the EU on how much to support or not support US efforts to secure the supply of oil.

    So, the obvious issue is when did this come to Mr. Bush’s desk and what factors did he, as our CEO, consider before approving this?

  16. 23

    ArtFart spews:

    22 You mean Mr. Cheney’s desk, don’t you?

    I doubt that the authorization for this got signed with an “X” in burnt-sienna Crayola.

  17. 24

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Hey ArtFart@13: He’s said it at least four times in recent threads.

    Hey Clueless Idiot: See how come we on the right have no respect for clueless idiots@10?

    What say you Clueless Idiot (YLB)?

  18. 25


    The real question is whether the liberal foorces that have invaded the white house are ALLOWING either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Bush to see critical materials like this.

    You watch .. when Obiwan is President, he is going to keep Commisar Gates on as an advisor!

  19. 26

    YLB spews:

    24 – Have as little respect as you want. It’s no excuse for supporting an idiot and a corrupt party who lied this country into a war of choice and doubled this country’s debt.

    I don’t agree with everything everyone says on my side of the fence. Never have. Never will.

    Now resume your name-calling and continue supporting THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR for Prez.

    More liberal than

    1) Ted Kennedy



    In other words, a guy who represents everything YOU name call about.


  20. 27

    Richard Pope spews:

    CorrectNotRight @ 19

    Esser the Suppressor deserves a lot of ridicule for calling the “winner” of the GOP caucuses here, with only 85% counted and a small margin between McCain and Huckabee.

    However, the Texas Democratic Party is making Esser the Suppressor look pretty efficient at counting results quickly. It has now been two days since the Texas precinct caucuses, and the state party is still reporting less than 40% of the results on its website:


    To their credit, at least, the Texas Democrats are not pretending to declare anyone to be the winner of the precinct caucus contest.

  21. 28

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    rhp6033: I’ll ask you the same question.

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 1985 and how much did they consume?

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 1990 and how much did they consume?

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 1995 and how much did they consume?

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 2000 and how much did they consume?

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 2005 and how much did they consume?

    Who were the biggest crude oil consumers in 2007 and how much did they consume?

    So, are you a clueless idiot too or just farting on the blog to make yourself look good?

  22. 29

    correctnotright spews:

    @10 – I dislike the GOP as much as you do and I don’t like how McCain is a hypocrite on lobbying and wants us in Iraq for 100 years (or until it is “safe” – same thing). But I draw the line on criticizing his war service. I didn’t like it with Kerry or with Max Cleland or Bob Dole.
    Sorry – that is just inappropriate. Even RR says it is inappropriate to go after McCain on his war record. He served his country – let it go.

    Now Bush and Cheney didn’t go to war for our country and could have when others went in their place – so their lack of a record is fair game.

  23. 30

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    I had a long post I was going to make, but I’ll just second what Dave said, with an emphasis on the “without her asking” part. We women really hate to nag, but not quite as much as we hate WATBs who think they married their mommies. Now, didn’t Dave’s post sound a lot less ‘angry’?

  24. 31

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Richard: Can you be honest here? Esser was right with McCain wasn’t he? He waited way longer than the liberal MSM would have called. it. So what are you screaming about?

    Still waiting for that “Boss” Esser retraction.

    BTW Persesser Darryl is a punk.

  25. 33

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@26. Couldn’t stay on topic could you?

    Still Clueless and still an Idiot. Hence, Clueless Idiot.

  26. 34

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    To their credit, at least, the Texas Democrats are not pretending to declare anyone to be the winner of the precinct caucus contest.

    And that is the point, and has been the point of several elections since 2000. Let’s concentrate on doing it as well as we possibly can, and not worry so much about whether we get the answer on Tuesday night, hmmm?

  27. 35

    Richard Pope spews:

    Tlazolteotl @ 32

    And what does an Aztec goddess find appealing? :)

    “It was Tlazolteotl who inspired vicious desires, and who likewise forgave and cleaned away the defilement of sin. She was also thought to cause disease, especially sexually transmitted disease. It was said that Tlazolteotl and her companions would afflict one with disease if they indulged themselves in forbidden love. The uncleanliness was considered both on a physical and moral level; and could be cured by steam-bath, a rite of purification, or calling upon the Tlazolteteo (The goddesses of love and desires.)”

  28. 36

    correctnotright spews:

    @35 – so for this religion – Steam baths cure everything…oops – that doesn’t sound so good…steam as a cure for STDs…puts abstinence to sahme…

  29. 37

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    If you follow your goddess-lore, Richard, you will also find that Tlazolteotl was the ‘eater of filth,’ the one who heard one’s confessions on the deathbed, cleansing the soul in order to pass into the next life free of stain. Sound familiar? You might also want to look up the Egyptian goddess Maat.

    Tlazolteotl was the patroness of adulterers, it is true, but was also the protector of women in childbirth, and as you mention, symbolic of purification. I think that many so-called ‘primitive’ religions are so much more realistic about the human experience, having both gods and goddesses, with both dark and light aspects to their personalities.

  30. 38

    Richard Pope spews:

    CorrectNotRight @ 36

    I thought steam baths could be a fertile breeding ground for the spread of STD’s. Maybe this is why Aztec civilization collapsed?

  31. 39

    Richard Pope spews:

    Tlazolteotl @ 37

    I quoted an entire paragraph, without selective editing thereof. The quoted paragraph doesn’t cover everything, but it talks about her role in forgiving and cleansing sin.

  32. 40

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    But to answer your other question, Richard: This particular Aztec goddess finds men who do their share around the house very appealing. Though, she’s probably a better cook, so you can go ahead and let her do that. :-)

  33. 41

    Richard Pope spews:

    More from Wikipedia: “Confessions to Tlazolteotl would be done through a priest. But unlike the Christian practice, this happened only once during a man’s lifetime.”

    So does this mean that Tlazolteotl would only forgive your sins once, and afterwards, you were stuck with any sins committed after that? Or did a confession to Tlazolteotl cover any sins that might be committed in the future. And if a woman sinned, could Tlazolteotl forgive her sins too? Or did Aztec culture not allow for forgiveness of a woman’s sexual sins, or in the alternative, proclaim that a woman could not sin sexually (and make everything sexual sin the fault of the male alone)?

  34. 42

    rhp6033 spews:


    As usual you miss the point, or are trying to intentionally re-direct it for your benefit.

    Since the 1980’s, the Saudis have always bailed us out of rising oil prices by pumping more oil, in part because (a) we’ve promised to defend them against any attack, and (b) they have their own investments in the U.S. and they didn’t want to endanger them by having oil prices be so high as to endanger those investments.

    Now they don’t want to do it anymore. They have written us off. Why? Well, in part because they warned us that they wouldn’t cooperate in an invasion of Iraq because they preferred a stable (but weak) Iraq under Saddam than an unstable Iraq under Shiite controls. We went ahead anyway, relying on Kuwait as our launching base for the invasion.

    More importantly, Saudi Arabia is right – the high oil prices have more to do with the drop in the value of the dollar, as against other currencies, as it does with the the relative cost of oil on the world market. Oil is currently sold with the U.S. Dollar being the monetary measure, but that may well change to the Euro soon, because of the unstableness of the value of the currency.

    And why is our currency dropping in value so much? That’s the easy part, because it was so predictable. It’s dropping in value because of the combined affect of (a) the Bush tax cuts, (b) the incredible cost of the war without a means to pay for it, (c) record-breaking budget deficits, and (d) a huge trade imbalance.

    Do I blame Bush & the Republican party for this? You bet I do. Bush & Co’s management of the national economy and it’s treasury has been incompetent beyond measure.

    And it doesn’t have anything to do with who buys the oil, in what years, or how much. It might, if there were a shortage, but worldwide oil reserves are stable right now – that was the point made by the Saudis.

  35. 43

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Not ever going to let it go when it comes to McCain’s war record. The GOP started this kind of attack and as Dems we always seem to be too timid to fight fire with fire – which is how they end up swift boating us. It’s time to fight back. You can bet your last dollar that if the situation were reversed, Rove would be issuing talking points to ask these types of questions about a Democratic candidate that had been captured. And they are legitimate questions BECAUSE McCain is portraying himself a war hero. If in fact, he was a coward who gave up information to the NVA, or worse, worked with them in order to keep himself alive all those years, then it’s VERY relevant. I will keep talking about it until we’ve taken back the White House.

  36. 44

    Richard Pope spews:

    ByeByeGOP @ 43

    John McCain stood up for John Kerry and his war record back in 2004 and denounced the Swift Boat attacks. Of course, McCain may be wearing the other shoe in 2008, and want to give Barack Obama some of the same poison that he denounced four years ago. I admire McCain for being a war hero and his service to our country. What I fear the most about McCain is that he would keep us in Iraq forever and get us involved in other costly pointless wars (like with Iran).

  37. 45

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    @41 I don’t actually know, Richard. I’m not any sort of social scientist, so I don’t claim any expertise in the area of Meso-American cultures whatsoever. The name is a lot more innocent, actually, being the result of some interest in comparative religion and folklore, and needing a screen nym that nobody else was using at other online communities I have frequented. This particular name, being difficult to pronounce (just ask Goldy) seemed unlikely to be taken elsewhere, though since then I have seen people posting under other Aztec names.

    You know another interesting bit of trivia? The languages spoken by the indigenous peoples in this area are related to Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. ‘Seattle’ is just another one of those words with the strange ‘tl’ in it. Tlazolteotl just happens to have more than one!

  38. 46

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@26: Why are we voting for Obama? Or, as I identified about your earlier today you are a Clueless Idiot?

    You have no idea do you? Of course not that’s why you are writing this Clueless Idiot crap.

    Good bye.

  39. 47

    YLB spews:

    As usual you miss the point, or are trying to intentionally re-direct it for your benefit.

    Rhp, poor puddyfool can’t help himself. He was taken in long ago by the right wing bullshit he read in Moon, Murdoch and Scaife funded propaganda among many other sources of right wing garbage.

    He comes here to TRY to be a big fish in our little pond. He has failed consistently from day one. Every day in every way he diminishes himself.

    In November, a Dem will be elected President. I hope it will be Barack Obama. Ironically, he supports Obama for reasons known only to choir of voices inside his thick skull.

    He support a man who is rated the most LIBERAL Senator ahead of

    1) Ted Kennedy


    2) HILLARY CLINTON (gasp).

    This contradicts all his crap about “librulism is a mental disorder” and “16%ers”.

    His is NOT consistent. He is a simple fool, braying like the street corner loon.

  40. 48

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@47: Answer my question.

    You provide no clarity to the issue at hand. In fact you can’t even figger it out.

    Clueless Idiot, you drink the warm white sticky homo sapien pumped kool-aid every morning.

    Thanks for reminding me. I need to visit Freep soon.

  41. 49



    I am very much on your side on this one. While McCain has brown nosed the right, he is no worse than Hillary or BHO .. both of who know damn well that NAFTA is in our interest and neither of whom want tlo be forced to a position they can nto later defend.

    I ndo think record of real actions is important and on that scale I would raye McC #1. I am not concerned about Iraq as the difference between him and the two dems is mostly pandering. All three know GWB fucked up. All three know we MUST define “vistory,” For all three this emans rejiugerign the alliances, focussing on what can be done to save SA from itself, finding a modus vivendi with Iran, etc.

    Whether McC would be in owrst place because he has pandered to Bush or Hillary or BHO because they have pandered to the America Wrong crowd is hard to say. The obvious advantage McC would have is his record of accommodation with Vietnam. My worry for him .. in re the war .. is that as President he will not have any party behind him. More so than BHP, McC to succeed would have to fight against the idiotic partisanship we have now AND do so when it is largely the extremists of his own party who will make trouble.

    So, my belief is that the best outcome of this year would be a BHO presidency, a Richardson Veepery, a Hillary-McCain alliance in the Senate with her as majority leader. A LOT oculd be done by such a dream team!

    I actually think Iraq is the easiest issue we face. The enxt President needs to:

    1. fire a fucking lot of fucked up Bush appointees. This will be MUCH easier for Hilalry or BHO than for a Republican.

    2. rationally reform the tax structure. McC’s posturing puts him in a bad position to be part of this BUT w/o presidential ambitions BUT honored by the new Pres. he could be very effective in building a coalition of the RRR (rare ratioanl republicans) with the MODs (moderate dems).

    3. Healthcare … Hillary and BHO have made a mess by overpromising, but an effort led by her should succeed and will succeed if she has supprt from the RRR.

    4. Internationsl Relations .. One reason I support BHO over HRC is that I am very unimpressed with her foreign policy advisers. For one thing, I see no evidence that she understands what a failure Clinton I’s lesser America strategy was. I have even wondered about McC as SOS! In any case, assuming a great appointment to SOS with Richardsn leading the tem, the next Prsident has very little time rebuild our alliances.

    Again McC can not do this from the platform of a Rep party dominated by RRR. For one thing I can already hear the catcalls after we normalize relatins with Cuba and cede Taiwan, Korea and Japan to the Chinese sphere of influence. “Who lost Taiwan?” is a catcall a Republican could not handle.

  42. 50


    @ 46 Puddy

    Why not vote for Obama? What difference does it make?

    McCain is a liberal extremist who is proud of kidnaping a black girl from Bangladesh, dresses up like an Injun, wnats to limnit campaigning toliberal richies like Bill Bates Sr, and favors BIG government.

    Face it .. you phony conservatories have cooked the goose with your playboy from Crawford.

    Tell you what chump, I am voting for Obiwan as the closest thing we have in this race to a true conservative. For one thing .. his way of speaking reminds me totally of the great Reagan. This crappola about Obiwan as a a librul is because the conservative media is so effin incompetent they can ntot tell which hand a Muslim uses to wipe his ass with!

    Look at these things the Jedi Master form Chicago stands for:

    1. Universal service! Get those lace hanky libral kids into my platoon and I will give you some real men!

    2.Tax the bastards. What ahole thinks it is conservative NOT to tax Bill Gates? So he gets to give MY money to his effin foundation and I pay for the roads in his buddy’s SLU development? As long as Obowan understand that people like him, ie.e me, should not pay taxes I am happy. Tx the rich, is the RIGHT way!

    3. Immigration. Who else but a Black man could understand that the only solution ot the immigration issue is slavery? I know BHO has not said “indentured servitude” in so many words, but why else is he in is much deep dodo with Hiss Sanicsand why does he want real American kids to learn Spanish?

    4. Manchurian Candidate. How the helm does anyone know what command Conole Thieu imbedded in thsi man’s head? Does it make sense to take the POTUS and put him the hands of the best brain cleaners in the world for five years? Fas anyone look at McC’s barin to see if the words “made in China” appear?

    5. The Rushmore Issue. Picture the blonde lady with the jowls or the pinched face of McCucca n the mountain! !

  43. 51

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    What is Mrs. Gregoire’s position on this?
    Just posted by Seattle Times—

    WA court denies Democrat’s request for quick tax lawsuit ruling

    OLYMPIA, Wash. — Washington’s Supreme Court says it won’t rule quickly on a Democratic lawmaker’s challenge of voter-approved hurdles for higher taxes.

    The ruling is unanimous. It puts a kink in Senate Majority Leader Lisa Brown’s hopes to get her tax-increase lawsuit decided before the next legislative session.

    Brown’s lawsuit challenges voter initiatives that make it harder for the Legislature to raise taxes. She and other critics say the initiatives are unconstitutional.

    Why are the Democrats concerned about this…..unless they plan to raise taxes again?!

  44. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Um … it didn’t work so well for this divorced, former house daddy, but then, maybe an SOB like me isn’t exactly the best control subject?”

    Goldy — maybe you should get together with your fellow blogger, Stefan, to get some pointers on the fine art of being a successful gigolo. He seems to do pretty well at it.

  45. 53

    rhp6033 spews:

    In other (but related) economic news:

    As of yesterday, the dollar closed at it’s lowest level since we abandoned the gold standard in the early 1970’s.

    Today the DJIA average dropped another 214.60 points, ending the day 1,2040.39. This leaves the DJIA as having grown only 13.72% (an average of 1.96% per year) during the 7 years of his Presidency, a very dismal record. (In contrast, the DJIA increased 225.37% during Clinton’s eight-year run, an annual average of 28.7%).

    Mortgage delinquencies are at a 23-year high.

    Way to go, Republicans! Another record-setting week!!!!

  46. 54


    @53 Bush ain’t no Republican!

    Blaming Bush for this si like claiming all the Dems are into Fellatio just because bug Bubba was.

    You libruls elected Bush by not running any real opponent. Gte someone like LePen in there and things would be very different.

  47. 55

    rhp6033 spews:

    Gipper at 54:

    “Bush ain’t no Republican!”

    He’s the leader of the Republican Party, by definition and party rules. Until they kick him out, he’s a Republican.

    “Blaming Bush for this si like claiming all the Dems are into Fellatio just because bug Bubba was.”

    Huh? Aside from an obvious attempt to deflect attention to Bill Clinton, I’m not really sure what you mean here. I’ve pointed out previously in this thread how the current economic situation was caused by Bush and the Republicans, especially their tax-cut policies for the rich in the face of war spending and exploding budget deficits, not to mention nearly non-existence regulatory oversight of the lending markets.

    “You libruls elected Bush by not running any real opponent.”

    I guess this is the “stop me before I kill again” defense?

    Gte someone like LePen in there and things would be very different.

    Huh? I can’t even make an attempt to decypher this comment.

  48. 56

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot: Big fish in your little pond? Shucks, you are funny. Clueless but sometimes funny

  49. 58

    correctnotright spews:

    @54: Bush is no Republican – gee, bush overwhelmingly won the republican presidential nomination twice and all the hard-core republicans endorsed him and he has been uniformly supported by the republicans in the House and Senate.

    but I am supposed to take your word for it that bush is no republican – so WHO IS A REPUBLICAN then?

    I love wingnuts – they not only deny my and everyone else’s reality, but they deny their own reality.

  50. 59

    correctnotright spews:

    @57: this is clearly an unconstitutional initiative. the washington state constitution doesn’t say majority rules EXCEPT….it says majority rules.

    this tax is a no-brainer – tax alcohol to pay for the state costs of dealing with drunk driving. Only drunken republicans would be against this measure.

  51. 60

    Hannah spews:

    @59 – I never once said I agreed or disagreed. Post 51 was asking why this was in court and had asked if it was because they were trying to raise taxes, so I said yes, that is what caused it to be taken to court.

  52. 61

    YLB spews:

    Why are we voting for Obama?

    I’m voting for Obama because compared to the competition he’s the better politician.

    You’re voting for Obama because 1) he’s a “16%er” and 2) has a more liberal voting record than Teddy Kennedy or (gasp) Hillary Clinton!

    If Code Pink favored Obama I’m sure you’d be even more in favor of him. (I’m pretty sure they do support him because they don’t like Hillary’s vote for the war).

    Makes sense to me! You’re such a silly joke!

    What’s more interesting is why you don’t support McCain. You love right wing bullshit and torture. Right wing bullshit artists like Coulter and Limpblow hate McCain. McCain despises torture having gone through it.

    So you can’t support McCain even though he’ll make another war at the drop of a hat.

  53. 62


    Just because someone calls themselves a Republican does no mean they are,

    Just look:

    Bush made a war .. Just like Jphnson, Roosevelt, Wilson
    Bush hugely inflated the budget by a guns and butter policy ,, whose idea was that? Johnson?
    Bush appointed :divers” people to his cabinet because of an ideolgy that is anything BUT Republican! Hell Good old Nixon would not even appoint Jew, never mind a black woman!
    Bush economics led us to the new recession .. just as Bubba’s did.

    YES he got the Rep party run him. That is as tragic as havinf Jay Leno replace Carson.

    The US needs real conservatives … Olly North, Steve Forbes, David Duke, Hannity, OReilly … these are the guys we need to create a new party.

    OR … maybe be Obiwan is our version of Bush and he will undermine YOUR party?

  54. 63

    Kissinger spews:

    “Hell Good old Nixon would not even appoint Jew, never mind a black woman!”

    I beg to differ.

  55. 64

    rhp6033 spews:

    Gipper @ 62:

    Sorry, but the Republican Party selected him, elected him, and supported him up until these last two years, when it became rather convenient for them to start distancing themselves from him. You got him, you are stuck with him. Your attempt to disavow him now, once the natural result of Republican policies is evident, is hilarious.

    Oh, and more bad news. Homeowner equity (adjusted for inflation) is at it’s lowest rate since 1945. Now that’s really saying something.

  56. 66

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 63: Yes, but Nixon kept forgetting that Kissenger was a Jew, and would sometimes include him in on re-telling some anti-semetic jokes. Kissenger was not amused.

  57. 67


    @64 rhp

    you really do not understand the GOP. Since Hamilton this has been the party of the select few, the able, the pure. Elections are NOT the only way of running a Government!

    Listen to your new boy .. BHO, he telleth the truth. Hillbery, she is controlled by US! Of course so is Obiwan but that is so cool a story you would never believe it.

    As for the effin house market .. what asshole ever suggested most Americans deserved their own houses? I(f you had any green in you at all you would realize that the best thing for Seattle is to clean up all those dinky little houses and replace them with large estates.

    First .. we need to address the wetbalck issue. I understand that after he is elcted Obiwan will propose an indentured servant program. Rich folks will be able to buy the right of an immigrant worker to stay here via a AUCTION.

    The proceeds from that auction are estimated to comeplety cover the cost of ending the deattax and the double tax. I also hear that GM may propose a wholesale purchase as a way of aquiring workiers that can compete with cheap chinese labor.

  58. 68


    @66 Nixon ws the greatest President of the twentieth century, greater even than Ronald the Remarkable.

    Greatness doe snot alwys mean success but w/o RMN we would never have had the Raygun and without him the Berlin Wall would still stand.

  59. 69

    Richard Pope spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 52

    We could try to fix Goldy up with Tlazolteotl — he seems to meet her criteria perfectly. Or we could possibly try Hannah, since you and other folks around her don’t think she exists anyway. Not sure how Hannah would feel about this, of course. And she is probably married or something anyway. In any event, I don’t think Goldy is the gigolo type.

  60. 70

    Kwell the Wabbit spews:

    “’Incentives for labor’ is a fascinating topic! Why, I’m a walking laboratory for behaviorial economics. Back when Clinton was president, I had a job and produced something. Now, after 7 1/2 years of Republican mismanagement of the economy, I don’t work or produce a fucking thing. Instead, I flip stocks. It’s hard to imagine a more useless activity than buying stocks from Mr. Market, then selling the stock back to Mr. Market at a higher price, then buying the same stock back from Mr. Market at a lower price, and selling it back to Mr. Market at a higher price, ad nauseum. What the hell does this produce? I’ll tell you. It produces profits for Roger Rabbit and a 10% capital gains tax rate, that’s what it produces. If I worked and made something of value, I would have to pay a 32.65% tax rate. So, I don’t work. No rational rabbit, or rational human either, would do any work under a stupid system like this. Why should I, when I can make more money and pay lower taxes by pushing the same dollars in circles in the stock market? There’s no incentive to work under our economic system. In fact, there’s lots of disincentives, because if you get a job you get be injured, fired, demoted, etc. — all sorts of bad things could happen to you. But if you don’t work, the worst thing that can happen is your tax rate will go down. How bad is that? Sure beats working! Hey, I’m not saying this Republican economy is a good thing. Obviously, it’s the stupidest thing to come down the pike since the Republicans caused the Great Depression. Republicans aren’t famous for smart, know what I mean? But this is the system we have right now, so I don’t work or produce anything, because that’s how the Republican incentive system works.”

    That’s your Rabbit, boys and girls, going on and on, ad nauseum and as usual, to cover up and stonewall and masquerade ignorance with arrogance. What he was trying to not say, of course, were those three magic words, I Don’t Know. Asked a simple question, he failed to Wiki the simple answer, so he tried to baffle us with Mr. Market bullshit. Rabbitshit.

    Hint for providing a gold-star-on-the-forehead answer to last night’s Kwiz: The neocon economist was, like Rabbit, a slacker lawyer vamping as an economist.

  61. 72

    Kwell the Wabbit spews:

    And did everyone appreciate Rabbit’s attempt, during the Rob-Rab smackdown, to posit immoral equivalence between John McCain and Very Hairy Kerry? Kerry the 90-day wonder pulled himself out of harm’s way after three Band-aid Purple Hearts, then hooked up with phony winter ‘soldiers’ to slime and malign a country (ours) that’s treated him rather better than he deserves.

    McCain, given a chance to extricate himself from the tender ministrations of those nappy Ho Ho Ho agrarian reformers in Hanoi, stayed with his buds. (More balls than brains, says Rabbit. Kerry Rabbit: no balls, fewer brains.)

    Rabbit, Kerry, Will … we dream of Johnny sticking his ridiculous little T-Rex arms down your throats and pulling out your … well, sweet dreams, darlings.

  62. 73

    Kwell the Wabbit spews:

    “Good old Nixon would not even appoint Jew …” Tell it to Kissinger, de facto Secretary of State, in tandem with Nixon, before he was appointed Secretary of State.

    (Those “anti-Semitic” comments of Nixon’s were real-politik musings about the fact that American Jews voted almost as a bloc for Democrats.)

  63. 74

    The Gigolo is Up spews:

    “I don’t think Goldy is the gigolo type …” Never underestimate our own little private policy wonkette.

  64. 76

    GS spews:

    I sure hope the Dems will do a do over on Fl & MI. That would be a shoe in for Clinton, who they all believe is their Born again choice, and this would soooooo Piss off the Obama supporters in this country that first I imagine he would be unwilling at that point to even consider taking the second fiddle VP position, and this will assure them the place they deserve in the Dustbins of history.

    It is the best soap opera on TV. Keep it up!

  65. 77

    tlazolteotl = clap spews:

    Get your daily dose from Mo: “With Obama saying the hour is upon us to elect a black man and Hillary saying the hour is upon us to elect a woman, the Democratic primary has become the ultimate nightmare of liberal identity politics. All the historical victimizations go tripping over each other and colliding, a competition of historical guilts.

    “People will have to choose which of America’s sins are greater, and which stain will have to be removed first. Is misogyny worse than racism, or is racism worse than misogyny?”

  66. 78

    bushism spews:

    “I don’t think Goldy is the gigolo type …” Never misunderestimate our own little private policy wonkette.

  67. 79

    YLB spews:

    Wrong again.

    Whazzup Stupes (or should I say Omar)? If a Senator who is MORE LIBERAL than Ted Kennedy or



    is not a “16%er” (your stupid name), then what is?

  68. 80

    YLB spews:

    and the last time I looked a “punk” is someone who has been “punked”.

    And YOU have been “punked” by Moon, Murdoch, Scaife and a host of other rich assholes who have funded the right wing bullshit you are addicted to.

    How does it feel – loser?

  69. 82

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@79:


    I’d rather be punked than drinking from the muscle Kos (insert hose) getting a dose every .8 seconds of warm sticky white kool-aid you get every morning.

  70. 83

    YLB spews:

    Last chance

    Long time till November Stupes and I’m going to be here every step of the way to cheer your corrupt, ugly party as it circles the toilet bowl.

    Count on it.

  71. 84

    correctnotright spews:

    @72: Moron – First – you defame and lie about Kerry – then you claim that that should not happen to McCain – who DEFENDED Kerry.

    You are full of it.
    Rob got his non-brain pants beaten of of him by Rabbit.

    @62 Poor misinformed and hypocritical Gipper:

    Let’s see:
    Reagan started a war
    Reagan casued the largest budget deficit in history
    Reagan lied about Iran contra
    Reagan could not remember anything under oath
    Reagan left a recession for Bush 41

    By your own criteria: Reagan was not a republican.

    Who actually IS a republican?
    Not Bush 41
    Not GWB
    Not Reagan

    Apparently (according to you) Nixon – so lying crooks are republicans and the only President to resign in disgrace is a “true” republican – thanks for the enlightenment.

  72. 85

    Sempersimper spews:

    SJ, you crack me up. Get a version of FF that supports spelling (typing) checks and you’ll be flawless!!!!

  73. 86

    JamesT spews:

    Is the gov’t (or at least the Air Force) predisposed against Boeing? (No, I don’t work for Boeing and am not related to anyone who does.)

    But while reading a news article on the web, I noticed an Air Force ad with the headline:
    “This building will be attacked 3,000,000 times a day. Who’s going to protect it?
    – Air Force Technology Defends Americas in a Changing World.”
    The ad provides this link:
    and in the righthand “News” column there is a link to an article titled:
    “FAA: Terrorists Could Hack New Boeing Jetliner”
    with the link pointing here:

    Granted, the Dreamliner is not the aircraft Boeing positioned for the recent $40 billion deal, but doesn’t it appear as if the Air Force is taking sides publicly against Boeing and in favor of AirBus? Perhaps that would be to try to blunt arguments for their unpopular decision of siding with Airbus against Boeing in the tanker deal?

    Any thoughts?

  74. 87

    Bwamee spews:

    Involved fathers is always a good thing. (housedaddies) It’s time they threw off the feminist notion that men aren’t needed. they are WAAAAY needed.

  75. 88

    Rick D. spews:

    When is a the real radio host due back? He tends not to have an hour dedicated to “pussified husbands and the women who secretly abhor them”………there’s always Jerry Springer’s job when he drops dead, Goldy.

  76. 90

    YLB spews:

    Information for the 16%ers

    Information for the loser of losers – YOU support the MOST LIBERAL senator,


    Teddy Kennedy or



    for President.

    It’s still not too late to run back to the skirts of your corrupt joke of a party.

  77. 91

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@90: I asked you you tell me why. You couldn’t.

    So this issue is ignored from now on.

  78. 92

    YLB spews:

    91 – Very few can fathom what passes for reasoning from the choir of voices inside a wingnut’s head.

  79. 93

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@91: And the expansive echo chamber you call a hat rack? I was told the speed of sound actually accelerates as it passes through one ear and into your head, while deaccelerating ast it passes through your other ear.

    Or was the story when you turn sideways there is a view through your head?

    I already heard about the twin flashing neon signs in your eyes messaging “Space Available Inside” during the day and “Vacancy” during the night.

    Or maybe it was “Unfurnished Area”?

  80. 94

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Got to go Clueless Idiot.

    Make us all proud and post something stupid again…

  81. 95

    YLB spews:

    S’ok. Just keep saying you’re for Obama. A Senator who is MORE LIBERAL than

    Ted Kennedy




    Your wingnut peeps are all settling for McCain. They’re calling Obama a “leftist” over at (un)SP.

    Imagine that.