by Lee, 08/27/2007, 7:39 PM

Now that Idaho Senator Larry Craig has finally been discovered hiding in his closet, it’s becoming more and more obvious that there’s a segment of the Republican Party whose main motivation in politics appears to be making laws that are an attempt to keep themselves from their particular dysfunctional behaviors. We saw it with Mark Foley, who actually introduced legislation to punish the kind of behavior he engaged in. And strongly anti-gay Republicans like Ed Schrock and Jim West have supported and even pushed anti-gay legislation as they sat quietly in their closets.

As David Kurtz points out here, a website for the Idaho Values Alliance contains a remarkably familiar warning about what homosexuals do underneath a picture of family values champion Senator Craig (emphasis mine):

One of the tragic characteristics of the homosexual lifestyle is its emphasis on anonymous sex and multiple sexual partners. It is a little-acknowledged secret that many active homosexuals will have more than 1,000 sex partners over the course of a lifetime (the average among heterosexuals is seven – still six more than we were designed for). This sordid fact of homosexual life surfaced yesterday in an AP article yesterday that reports on the number of arrests police have made for indecent exposure and public sex acts in the restrooms at Atlanta’s airport, the busiest in the world. The increased restroom patrols, begun to apprehend luggage thieves, instead uncovered a rash of sex crimes. Airport restrooms have become so popular that men looking for anonymous sexual trysts with other men have advertised their airport availability on Craigslist. One such ad was from a man saying he was stuck at the airport for three hours and was looking for “discreet, quick action.”

You just can’t make this stuff up.

91 Responses to “Protect Me From Myself”

1. My Left Foot spews:

Never ever tap your feet in the airport restroom. So Republican might want to have sex with you.

2. Lee spews:

@1
It makes you wonder if this is why they don’t let you take gels through security… :)

3. Esquire Estevez spews:

His comment sound McCarthy like. How can a person have sex with 1,000 different people? I don’t even know over my lifetime 1,000 people.

4. Union Machinist spews:

How long before he resigns?

5. dlaw spews:

Republicans: Faggots and cheap jews.

;-)

6. dlaw spews:

Oh, they reduce us to ugliness.

7. me spews:

Hmmmmmm – Homosexuals are both Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Muslim, Male, and Female. So the folks here trying categorize that only Republicans are homosexual should go to Seattle and talk with some of the gay groups first to see if they are Republicans or Democrats.

8. jsa on commercial drive spews:

EE @ 3:

Look up bath house culture in the context of the gay community (esp. in pre AIDS days) and let us know what you find out.

1000 sex partners is a bit high, and certainly not average for anyone, gay or straight, but it’s not unheard of.

9. michael spews:

HA!

I totally posted something about Craig queer as a three dollar bill on here about a week ago.

Add 1 to the number of Democratic senators.

This is the sort of thing that happens when you have to keep who you are under wraps and have the community define who you are, rather than you defining who you are to the community like us lefties do.

10. Roger Rabbit spews:

” … there’s a segment of the Republican Party whose main motivation in politics appears to be making laws that are an attempt to keep themselves from their particular dysfunctional behaviors …”

That’s only half of it. The other half is appointing party hacks as prosecutors so they don’t get prosecuted under their own laws.

11. Roger Rabbit spews:

This is a great day for law and order! Gonzo resigns and Larry Craig gets busted in the same day! The only way you could top that would be if that waitress sued Sharansky for tortious interference with an employment relationship — then we’d have a trifecta!

12. Roger Rabbit spews:

@7 “Homosexuals are both Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Muslim, Male, and Female.”

But only Republican homosexuals are complete flaming hypocrites.

13. Roger Rabbit spews:

I remember when a top executive of a local brewery got caught in a public park rest room doing the same thing … he lost his job and the brewery is now out of business.

14. Roger Rabbit spews:

Yet ANOTHER Alaska Airlines Incident …

“Alaska Airlines jet bumps into another at LAX
“Associated Press

“LOS ANGELES – An Alaska Airlines jet bumped into another one Monday while pulling away from a gate at Los Angeles International Airport, authorities said. …

“An Alaska Boeing 737 carrying 117 passengers to Washington, D.C., was pushing back from its gate when its left winglet made contact with another Alaska jet ….

“The winglet, a small vertical fin on the outer tip of a wing, was damaged. The second plane, a parked and empty Boeing 737, had damage to the horizontal stabilizer in its tail.”

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_082707WAB_airline_bump_KC.787bf2e5.html

15. michael spews:

Was the 737 trolling for gay sex? Or do they bump right winglets to signal that?

16. Roger Rabbit spews:

State Regulators Uphold Richard Pope’s Complaint Against Hague!

If Richard can stay out of airport rest rooms until November, he might be a shoo-in for the county council:

“Hague facing campaign-finance charges

“By NEIL MODIE
“P-I REPORTER

“King County Councilwoman Jane Hague has been hit with a new problem that, like her recently revealed drunken-driving charge, could be damaging politically as well as financially.

“The staff of the state Public Disclosure Commission, in an administrative complaint Friday, accused her of multiple violations of campaign-finance laws. It said the Bellevue Republican was late, sometimes by more than 13 months, in filing numerous reports of campaign contributions, expenditures and bank deposits; failed to disclose … required information about contributors; and accepted contributions in excess of the allowable limit ….

“The complaint said Hague also violated laws governing … leftover campaign funds. It said she illegally … reimbursed herself for expenses — including campaign contributions to other politicians — for which surplus funds can’t be used.

“The charges arose from and largely affirmed a voluminous complaint filed against the veteran politician by her election opponent, Richard Pope …. ‘It looks like everything I put down there (in the complaint) was basically upheld, and (the PDC staff) found several additional violations,’ Pope said Monday. …

“Hague, a county councilwoman since 1994, is running for her fourth term. This isn’t the first time she has been embarrassed by problems with her campaign-finance reports. In 2006, her former campaign manager admitted embezzling $144,877 of … campaign funds. The thefts had been going on for almost seven years before they were discovered. …”

Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/329242_haguepdc28.html

17. michael spews:

Go Richard!

18. Roger Rabbit spews:

@15 Of course. That’s why I posted it in this thread. Two 737s trolling for gay sex …

19. Roger Rabbit spews:

@15 (continued) If you’re sitting on the throne in an airport restroom and suddenly a wingtip crashes through the wall and strokes your crotch … that means the pilot has the hots for you!

20. Roger Rabbit spews:

@15 How did you know both of those airplanes were male?

21. chadt spews:

Rog at 19

But what if he’s wearing loafers?

22. Roger Rabbit spews:

@21 Loafers on the wingtip? I thought all the loafers were in the Republican Party! Only Democrats work for a living. Republicans live off other people’s working.

23. Roger Rabbit spews:

I bet if Jane Hague was caught tapping her feet in a john, she’d try to blame it on Richard Pope:

“Hague has habit of blaming others

“By NEIL MODIE
“P-I REPORTER

“King County Councilwoman Jane Hague’s recent arrest on a drunken-driving charge wasn’t the first time she has blamed others after finding herself in trouble.

“In 2001, when the car Hague was driving collided with a Metro bus in downtown Seattle, … she told him it was his fault. …

“In 1999, when the King County ombudsman found Hague had violated the county ethics code in 1997, she blamed it on bad advice from the council’s attorney — who flatly denied that she had ever asked for such advice or that he had given it to her. …

“And when she was arrested on the drunken-driving charge in Bellevue on June 2 … an obscenity-spewing Hague reportedly blamed the arrest on her husband … [and] questioned his qualifications to administer blood-alcohol tests ….

“Brett Bader, Hague’s political consultant, said any suggestion of a pattern of behavior in her current and previous problems ‘is nothing more than an effort by her political opponents to take advantage of an unfortunate situation … for their own political gain.’ None of Hague’s ‘political opponents,’ however, made such a suggestion to the Seattle P-I.”

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/329277_hague28.html

But hey! The bright side of this — for Hague — is she’s not alone in blaming her screwups on others:

“State Democratic Chairman Dwight Pelz said … if the public had known about this DUI in a more timely fashion, Richard Pope would not be our candidate right now.”

24. Roger Rabbit spews:

This is so good I have to post it again:

““State Democratic Chairman Dwight Pelz said … if the public had known about this DUI in a more timely fashion, Richard Pope would not be our candidate right now.”

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

Now the trols can’t say Roger Rabbit never picks on Democratic pols when they say something fucking ridiculous …

25. Roger Rabbit spews:

Hey Dwight, I’m usually a pretty reliable as party hacks go, but when you’ve even got Roger Rabbit laughing at you, you know you fucked up …

26. Roger Rabbit spews:

Now just shut the fuck up and support your candidate.

27. ArtFart spews:

7 Well, to make it clearer…Closeted homosexuals and pederasts who are hypocrital about it in public life appear to include a large contingent of Republican politicians and clergy of highly authoritarian denominations.

28. ArtFart spews:

27 That was supposed to be “hypocritical”…sorry.

29. stanwoodsage spews:

Where is Goldy’s post on Everett councilmember Mark Olson, Sound Transit Vice Chair, huge democrat, being investigated for rape? His 2001 Dui got no mention even though he almost hit a cop. I guess you can drive drunk and almost run over cops AND sexually assault people…as long as you’re a democrat.

30. Daddy Love spews:

7 ME

only Republicans are homosexual

If only anyone had said that. It’s not that all homosexuals are Republican; it’s that all Republicans are homosexual, including George Bush and his butt-buddy Alberto.

31. Daddy Love spews:

3 EE

It’s just part of their propaganda. They claim without support that “many” (how many is many?) homosexuals have more than 1,000 sex partners, bu then that heterosexuals “average” seven, thus comparing apples (anomalous outliers) to oranges (an average over a large population). It’s also true that “many” heterosexuals have hundreds if not thousands of sex partners in a lifetime. But that wouldn’t sound too good in a sex-negative pamphlet, would it?

32. Marvin Stamn spews:

Come on people, he’s going to buy sex offsets. That will make his actions okay.

33. John Barelli spews:

Ah, our state party leadership at work, doing their best to do damage control for Ms. Hague? No rousing statement of support for Mr. Pope, declaring him to be by far the best candidate, just a complaint that they didn’t know Ms. Hague was such a vulnerable candidate?

What, exactly, is Mr. Pelz’s job, anyway? I mean besides making stupid statements to the press and joining with the Republicans to mess with the primary system that was overwhelmingly approved by state voters?

34. spud joke du jour spews:

Larry Craig, born in Idaho, reared in Minneapolis.

35. the bride of chadt spews:

Welcome back, postal chadt. Welcome home, darling.

36. Farley Mowat spews:

Craig was outed last year on the Ed Shultz show

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/the_outing_of_larry_craig/C136/L136/

37. Lee spews:

@36
Apparently, it’s been kind of an open secret for a while that Craig was a homosexual. It was just never confirmed publicly.

38. Farley Mowat spews:

This too
http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/books/GERBOY.html

Perhaps Craig was intrigued.

39. Marvin Stamn spews:

Of course publican larry craig playing footsies in public bathrooms is disgraceful, to say the least. When you think of how many footise players either don’t get caught or if caught don’t get the same media attention one has to wonder about the gay agenda and those that support it.
  
Maybe it’s the use of public bathrooms by gays that led to the defeat of gay marriage amendments even in the liberal/democrat states.

40. Marvin Stamn spews:

One of the other posters mentioned MArk Olson, I fond this but it doesn’t mention party affiliation? Is he a democrat or publican?
  
“Everett City Councilman Mark Olson is facing additional legal trouble connected to an ongoing criminal investigation into allegations he sexually assaulted a woman in June after an evening of drinking.”
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070825/NEWS01/108250047/0/FRONTPAGE

41. Lee spews:

@39
Of course publican larry craig playing footsies in public bathrooms is disgraceful, to say the least. When you think of how many footise players either don’t get caught or if caught don’t get the same media attention one has to wonder about the gay agenda and those that support it.

The main issue isn’t the behavior itself, it’s the hypocrisy over spending your entire legislative career strongly opposed to things that you yourself do.

Also, the “gay agenda” isn’t what controls what gets media attention, it’s what viewers are fascinated by. And a lot of people are intrigued by hypocrisy.

Maybe it’s the use of public bathrooms by gays that led to the defeat of gay marriage amendments even in the liberal/democrat states.

Yes, Senator Craig is a political mastermind. He flew around the country trying to solicit homosexual sex in airport bathrooms in order to turn America against gay rights.

@40
In Seattle, city council members are not identified by party. I’m guessing it’s the same in Everett. Of course, I’m sure he has his own political leanings. Before this thread, I’ve never heard of the man.

42. Another TJ spews:

Lee,

Congrats on the mention by the Great Orange Satan.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/28/112114/632

43. me spews:

Glad to see everyone has opinions that are totally unsupported by reality but of course that is the Democrat way.

44. Another TJ spews:

For another take on this, here’s the good Glenn:

http://salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/28/craig/index.html

45. chadt spews:

@39

Say, Marvy, weren’t you the guy decrying OTHER PEOPLE for making remarks about homosexuals???

Gay Agenda???? People who support it???

How much do you get paid to troll here schilling for the Republicans?

Someone ought to tell them they’re not getting their money’s worth.

Your credibility here is zero. And you must be pretty desperate to sit at your keyboard, trying to pass yourself off as a notable musician, posting worthless conservative trivia, for the pennies per hour you get for trolling amongst the REAL people.

But, that may be working better for you than trying to pass as a real person.

46. Lee spews:

@42
Thanks! :)

Glenn’s take on Craig was great. I actually hadn’t been following his closetedness as closely as others and didn’t even know about what happened last October when I posted this. I think the reason that the wingnut bloggers have done a 180 on this is because someone (or maybe even Craig himself) personally reassured them that the accusations were false back in October.

@45
Oh, dear god, if Marvin Stamn is being paid to troll here, that would be the greatest example I’ve ever seen of how inefficient free markets can be.

47. David spews:

I don’t care if these guys are gay or straight, but I’m tired of closeted Republicans railing against gays and gay issues just to cover their own activities. Their ‘fight’ against the evil scourge of gays it just cheap political theater to cover their own hidden activities. It’s just like kissing babies and saying how much you love puppies…meaningless political drivel.

Gays aren’t destroying family values. They want MORE marriage, not less. It’s the meth addicted white trash uneducated Republicans (ie “The Base” :) in the southern states that have the highest rate of divorce nationwide. Massachusetts, the only state with gay marriage, is not seeing the destruction of families…they divorce rate is FAR lower than most of these ‘red’ states.

In 2004 the Massachusetts divorce rate, at 2.2 per 1,000 residents. Thats lower than the US national average rate for that year of 3.8 per 1000 folks. Hells that was lower than the national average rate for 1950 (2.6) and not too far from the rate of 1940 (2 per 1,000). The rate in the first two years since legal same sex marriage (May 2004) shows a continuing decline.

Sorry about the facts. Now on to the Republican rebuttal…”gays are evil, my magic invisible sky being says so!”

48. Farley Mowat spews:

Revelations 14:9 sez “If any man gives worship to the latrine beast, take notice”…

49. chadt spews:

@48
Further, see Isaiah 64.13: “And I beheld a wingtip in the sanctuary of the flying false gods….”

50. Daddy Love spews:

Let me just say, the charges against Senator Craig seem kind of thin–I mean, it’s not like he did a whole lot. If this had been the only incident in an otherwise unblemished life, I’d cut him some slack. But it isn’t.

A month before this arrest, the (presumably Idaho) Statesman was ivestigating rumors about homosexual doin’s by Craig, and they interviewed the Senator himself. DUring the interview, they played Craig an audio tape of a man claiming that he and Craig had sex in the Union Station (Washington DC) restroom. Like the Minnesota airport restroom, the Union Station restroom is known as a place where men can find anonymous sex.

That is among a number of other rumors and allegations they were investigating. I just think it’s weird that these strange closted gay Republicans are the most anti-gay of them all, legislatively speaking.

51. Daddy Love spews:

The “gay agenda:” Equal rights and equal protection under the law.

52. chadt spews:

It’s a well-known phenomenon in the gay community, and it’s a form of denial. You can see the same thing in some forms of religious self-denial. It’s seriously annoying to gays, who generally hold that if you’re gonna hate ‘em, at least don’t be a practicing closet case.

I think it’s a lot more common than you might think. Most straight folks don’t, understandably, devote a lot of time to this, but in the gay community, someone who is extraordinarily homophobic is highly suspect. Has been that way for as long as I remember, and I’m a fossil faggot.

53. pride fairy spews:

#52

Fossil faggot is the CUTEST term I have heard in years …. call me … and please do NOT give away all the tea room secrets. After all, it is supposed to be a sorta secret network.

Poor Larry Craig – deep in the closet – tapping his foot over and over. But he has a good pension I suspect from all those years of “service”, and now he can ditch the wife and come out and do a book.

His politics are wretched but no worse than hordes of right wing neo fascist pigs. He just happens to be a cock hound as well. The big secret is out – lots of Mormon men are cocksuckers, the macho world and all that.

New career opps. abound Larry – just get your life together, even Jesus decried the hypocrite.

54. pride fairy spews:

By the way, the Seattle Gay News ran the story on its front page about the dear Senator being accused of being queer many months ago.

Outing him in the last year was common in the gay media. His pig politics fit any criteria for outing.

55. chadt spews:

@53 Fairious

“His politics are wretched but no worse than hordes of right wing neo fascist pigs. He just happens to be a cock hound as well.”

Jesus….you just made me realize Marvin might be…..one of US.
and:
“Fossil faggot is the CUTEST term I have heard in years”

That’s nothing, I used to be The Electrofairy….

56. Daddy Love spews:

As far as I know it is a crime for a person, whether heterosexual OR homosexual, to solicit sex from another person of the same OR different gender, in a public restroom. Fuck anybody you want in your bedromm, just don’t do it at Seahawks Stadium or Sea-Tac.

There’s a difference between Larry Craig and whoever-it-is from Everett, because of course Larry Craig pled GUILTY. What must it feel like to be that poor closeted loser?

57. chadt spews:

I think everybody agrees that sex in a public restroom is annoying, not to mention tasteless, and a perversion of the designer’s intent.

According to Senator Craig, he’s not guilty and his guilty plea was all just a misunderstanding, and he has hired counsel to straighten it all out.

Good Luck on that one, Larry….

58. SeattleJew spews:

the evil thing here for us all is that this ought not to be an issue.

the guy is the PRIVACY of restroom stall and plays footsie with a cop. Yeh, there is huge hyocrisy assuming he is F’n guilty … but guilty of what?

There is just deserts in this but it REALLY ticks me off that what he did is a crime!

I have a great idea for us ALL …

Why can’t we make ANYTHING we do in private NO ONE’S business?

As one example, I have never figgered out why it was such a federal case that Gary Hart got a nice lookng lady to sit on his lap or Bill Clinto had such poor taste in where he put his penis. REALLY, I am OUTRAGED that the Prexy of the USA can’t do better than Monica L. Maybe it is a Jewish thing? But sheeezzz Bill we have a lot more attractive women than ML! Just thin of the tradition:

JFK:MM WJC:ML really, really I would be ashamed.

This is a very important issue in a year when a criterion for being Reprican Prexy aspirant is a record of either having had a publically divers sex life or being the descendent of polygamists.

Is what Craig did with his toes worse than what Giuliani did with his —– to how mnay diferent women? And Freddy Thompson … wow that guy is virile!lookie lookie at the trophy wife! I kinda sorta guess that the reason John McCain ain’t doin better in the Reprican’s race is that Johnie is only on wifey number two. She has money, like Kerry’s wife anf looks pretty good but she is also, like Ms. Kerry, too smart ot be a Repricanisher frau.

OK, SJ is being SARCASTIC …but can’t we just leave other folks in bathroom stalls alone?????????????

59. SeattleJew spews:

57 chadt

did you REALLY mean to say “straighten it out?”

60. SeattleJew spews:

@56 Damn. So it is not OK if I might a lady in the men’s room and we make a date?

61. Lee spews:

@58
I totally agree, but with Larry Craig, he’s been part of the movement to actually make those kinds of things actual crimes. My sympathy is lacking.

62. SeattleJew spews:

40 Marvin …

as a closeted guy, can you tell us if there is web based equivalent of restroom footsies? Bloggers need to know!

Harvey tells me that one such sign is “passing” as another guy then denying you are he. Is this true?

I dunno I really wanted to know how gay folks exchange the sign in restrooms. Is this a Christian tradition? Didn’t they used to trace the sign of the fish in the sand?

I wonder why the cops did not take Craig’s wing tips in as evidence. Just imagine what they could find inside by DNA testing.

63. SeattleJew spews:

@41 Lee

Since we do not identify Council Members by Party, maybe we could get out the ols Webb gayometer and rate them on the QGS? (Quantitative gay scale?)

BTW, I just learned that there are lot of other signs members of different persuasions use to identify themselves in bathrooms.

E.g. do you know what this means:

a. sort coat thrown over stall door?
b. removes trousers competely
c. hangs them over stall door
d. whistles in the stall
e. traces the sign of the devil on the floor?

I looked in Wikipedia but could not find anything n the subject.

Tx to all who can help.

64. SeattleJew spews:

@61 lee we agree.

I just find the obsession with footsie bizar.

May I ask, :What gets into these people?” No.

65. SeattleJew spews:

Is there an age limit to footsie?

If someone footsies a 14 yo, is that rape?

I think we need laws on this important issue. How about requiring a yellow line around each person foot space in the stall. Edging over that line would be felony.

Also, that way the Craig’s of this world could not plead the large ass defense.

66. chadt spews:

@65 et al

Your protocol questions are varied and many, but, as Pride Fairy pointed out, we can’t give away all the secrets. Roger completely missed the one about the wingtips vs loafers.

A few observations: Tracing the devil is difficult, time consuming, and ethnoculturally varied, therefore impractical.

Yellow lines are difficult to do well, and stain the floor.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you display your marvin, or stamen, in pubic.

67. chadt spews:

Let’s see ‘em delete THAT as “off-topic”!

68. Lee spews:

@62
as a closeted guy, can you tell us if there is web based equivalent of restroom footsies? Bloggers need to know!

Just because of this line, I’m now leaving for DL to buy you a beer (but I have to leave at 8).

69. chadt spews:

Yeah, that’s a tough line to follow, much less top.

70. chadt spews:

By the way, where is beloved Marvin???

He seems to run crying back to his Republican sponsors when the conversations get serious in here.

All style, no substance. And such abhorrent style. Better he should be in the closet….

71. Marvin Stamn spews:

Chris Matthews called larry craig a sexual deviant. Are all gays that engage in such behavior sexual deviants or only publicans?

72. Lee spews:

@71
Chris Matthews called larry craig a sexual deviant. Are all gays that engage in such behavior sexual deviants or only publicans?

Name one Democrat who has actively campaigned against homosexuality his whole life while also soliciting sex from random men in public bathrooms throughout.

Also, are you actually insinuating that Chris Matthews is anti-Republican?

73. Lee spews:

@71
Oh, and before you go ahead and make an even bigger ass of yourself (if that’s even possible at this point), you can peruse through this list of 309 incidents where Chris Matthews played into favorable Republican frames on his shows:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/chrismatthews

74. Marvin Stamn spews:

#41 Lee says:

@39 Of course publican larry craig playing footsies in public bathrooms is disgraceful, to say the least. When you think of how many footise players either don’t get caught or if caught don’t get the same media attention one has to wonder about the gay agenda and those that support it.
The main issue isn’t the behavior itself, it’s the hypocrisy over spending your entire legislative career strongly opposed to things that you yourself do.

  
Maybe you’re correct for the pleasure of bashing a publican but the behavior is illegal. Considering the cop/sting was there before larry indicates there was a problem with gay men hitting on straight men. How do you feel about letting your 7,8,9,10 year old son use a public bathroom without you in attendance?
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#45chadt says:

@39 Say, Marvy, weren’t you the guy decrying OTHER PEOPLE for making remarks about homosexuals???
Gay Agenda???? People who support it???

  
I haven’t noticed any outrage over the behavior, trolling for men in public bathrooms, only outrage at the person doing it.
  
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#51 Daddy Love says:

The “gay agenda:” Equal rights and equal protection under the law.

  
Why is it illegal to hit on another man in a bathroom.
 
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#62 SeattleJew says:

40 Marvin …
as a closeted guy, can you tell us if there is web based equivalent of restroom footsies? Bloggers need to know!

  
When men post to other men not in a replying situation. Like starting out a message, “Marvin…” Probably not what you wanted to hear but you asked.

75. Marvin Stamn spews:

SeattleJew says:

…Bill Clinto had such poor taste in where he put his penis. REALLY, I am OUTRAGED that the Prexy of the USA can’t do better than Monica L. Maybe it is a Jewish thing? But sheeezzz Bill we have a lot more attractive women than ML! Just thin of the tradition:

  
Good point. Of all people, monica.
 

…And Freddy Thompson … wow that guy is virile!lookie lookie at the trophy wife!

He’s not the only one proud of bagging a younger woman.

  
While describing a diet free of animal products and an improved quality of life, MSNBC Hardball Host, Chris Matthews, ignited laughter when playfully remarking “And you married a young woman.”
…“And I did. And my – hello. I mean, I’m 60 years old, I have a – my wife’s 29. You draw your own conclusions. Diet helps.”

  
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/28/kucinich-my-wifes-29-you-draw-your-own-conclusions-diet-helps/

76. Lee spews:

@74
Maybe you’re correct for the pleasure of bashing a publican but the behavior is illegal. Considering the cop/sting was there before larry indicates there was a problem with gay men hitting on straight men. How do you feel about letting your 7,8,9,10 year old son use a public bathroom without you in attendance?

Holy crap!! Are you the stupidest person on earth? Just because the behavior is not the MAIN issue does not mean that it’s not an issue at all. My god, do you even possess basic reading comprehension skills?

I haven’t noticed any outrage over the behavior, trolling for men in public bathrooms, only outrage at the person doing it.

Of course, you fucking retard! The person doing it HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER RAILING AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS!! Do you not understand any of this? Do I seriously have to send some fucking 2nd graders to LA to explain this to you? You can’t possibly be this dumb.

Why is it illegal to hit on another man in a bathroom.

Becuase politicians like Larry Craig have made it that way. Many people argue that what Craig did shouldn’t have been an arrestable offense. I’m not sure I quite agree with them, but you’re so far from understanding the main problem here (the hypocrisy), you’re completely making an ass of yourself.

When men post to other men not in a replying situation. Like starting out a message, “Marvin…” Probably not what you wanted to hear but you asked.

Actually, he started the post “40 Marvin”. You see, the 40 indicates the post he was replying to.

Dumbass.

77. chadt spews:

Marvin has no identity independent of Republican Trolling Inc., from whence cometh all his posting. If the subject deviates (snort) from the menu for the day, he is powerless to make a reasoned response.

A short trip to SP today was informative. I’m with Headless Lucy that this guy is another personality of the group to which Bill Cruchon belongs. The stylistic similarities are pronounced.

Or, I suppose it’s possible that they don’t inhabit the same skull, they’re just using the same workbook.

78. Lee spews:

@77
Darryl and Goldy actually have the ability to see if they’re the same. I haven’t bugged them recently to look that up for me.

79. Marvin Stamn spews:

#78 Lee says:

@77
Darryl and Goldy actually have the ability to see if they’re the same. I haven’t bugged them recently to look that up for me.

  
I thought you said you were going to do it a couple weeks ago. Do it already. What are you waiting for, a government program funded by rich publicans?
  
I’m not holding you to the words of someone else, but it seems others think you have the skills.

#45 YOS LIB BRO says:
DARRYL, CARL, LEE AND WILL CAN READ IP ADDRESSES JUST LIKE GOLDY.
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=2992

80. chadt spews:

That’s not gonna work. I, and lots of others, have dynamic ip’s. All I have to do to change mine is reset the router, and presto, I’m somebody else.
And you didn’t know this?

Yeah, right….

81. Marvin Stamn spews:

#80 chadt says:

That’s not gonna work. I, and lots of others, have dynamic ip’s. All I have to do to change mine is reset the router, and presto, I’m somebody else.
And you didn’t know this?
Yeah, right….

  
So reseting your router you can be posting from a IP range on a florida server? Reset it and then posting from an server IP range in california? Reset it and you’ll be on a verizon server. Reset it again and be on a roadrunner server?
  
You’re right, I didn’t know that.

82. Lee spews:

@79
I thought you said you were going to do it a couple weeks ago. Do it already. What are you waiting for, a government program funded by rich publicans?

I think you’ve overestimated how much I care about your sorry ass.

BTW, I have the ability to see your IP, but I don’t have the ability to view all comments by a single IP together in a single list.

83. M. Mod Man spews:

Damn glad I’m not from Idaho ho ho. Our tax dollars are paying this rump-ranger to fly around in search of other pickle puffers, Wonderful!

84. chadt spews:

@81
So what does (or, importantly, does not) an IP range from Verizon, or Comcast, qwest, etc, in Seattle tell anyone?

What if you and I and “x” all show up on the same provider, dolt?

If your IP address is located on Mars, which seems increasingly possible, there might be some value, otherwise it establishes nothing, which is pretty consistent with your postings, now that I think about it…..

85. chadt spews:

Uhm, somebody left Mr. Strong on.
There, I hope….

86. Lee spews:

I fixed it

87. Marvin Stamn spews:

#84chadt says:

@81
So what does (or, importantly, does not) an IP range from Verizon, or Comcast, qwest, etc, in Seattle tell anyone?

  
I’ll type slow so you can keep up. If my provider is verizon using a southern california server, and the person you believe I am, bill cruchen, uses a comcast server in seattle washington, even an idiot could figure out I am not bill. Did I type slow enough?
   

What if you and I and “x” all show up on the same provider, dolt?

 
All on the same provider on the same server? So you believe that you, bill and I all live in los angeles?
  
Aren’t you the one that acted like you knew something talking about dynamic IPs and reseting modems? What happened, did you turn clueless all of the sudden?

88. Marvin Stamn spews:

#82 Lee says:

@79
I thought you said you were going to do it a couple weeks ago. Do it already. What are you waiting for, a government program funded by rich publicans?
I think you’ve overestimated how much I care about your sorry ass.
BTW, I have the ability to see your IP, but I don’t have the ability to view all comments by a single IP together in a single list.

  
You’ve mentioned a few times you were going to check out my IP, why mention it if you can’t do it.
  
I’ll make this easy for you. Here’s a couple message from bill cruchon, #92 http://www.horsesass.org/?p=2439#comment-638679 or #10 http://www.horsesass.org/?p=2437#comment-637964
See if our IPs are even in the same state. Since you can see my IP, what state am I in. I say los angeles california, what say you.

89. chadt spews:

O(K Marvin, you may well be correct. I never saw a post wherein you stated you are from Los Angeles. Assuming that you DO know where you are, and that the Cruchon organism is, indeed, located here, then obviously IP address would establish that.

I apologize.

90. Marvin Stamn spews:

#89 chadt says:

O(K Marvin, you may well be correct. I never saw a post wherein you stated you are from Los Angeles. Assuming that you DO know where you are, and that the Cruchon organism is, indeed, located here, then obviously IP address would establish that.
I apologize.

  
Apology accepted.
 
Damn, it’s no fun trolling when people apologize. There’s no

91. Lee spews:

@88
I’ve only been posting here for a short time. I didn’t know what admin rights I had until that came up. I saw Darryl doing some things and thought that I had the same rights as him. I don’t. He and Goldy have more admin rights than the rest of us.

As for Bill Cruchon, I see him at SP. He’s a local guy.