Preventive war as a presidential prerogative

Arthur Schlesinger Jr. has a column in Monday’s Washington Post, in which he warns about President Bush’s final thousand days… and it’s a must read.

The Hundred Days is indelibly associated with Franklin D. Roosevelt, and the Thousand Days with John F. Kennedy. But as of this week, a thousand days remain of President Bush’s last term — days filled with ominous preparations for and dark rumors of a preventive war against Iran.

The issue of preventive war as a presidential prerogative is hardly new. In February 1848 Rep. Abraham Lincoln explained his opposition to the Mexican War: “Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose — and you allow him to make war at pleasure [emphasis added]. . . . If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, ‘I see no probability of the British invading us'; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent; I see it, if you don’t.’ ”

This is precisely how George W. Bush sees his presidential prerogative: Be silent; I see it, if you don’t . However, both Presidents Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower, veterans of the First World War, explicitly ruled out preventive war against Joseph Stalin’s attempt to dominate Europe. And in the Cuban missile crisis of October 1962, President Kennedy, himself a hero of the Second World War, rejected the recommendations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for a preventive strike against the Soviet Union in Cuba.


The Cuban missile crisis was not only the most dangerous moment of the Cold War. It was the most dangerous moment in all human history. Never before had two contending powers possessed between them the technical capacity to destroy the planet. Had there been exponents of preventive war in the White House, there probably would have been nuclear war.

Read the whole thing.


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    9/11 Changed EVERYTHING, Goldy? Don’t you know? What we need now is blind allegiance to the Bush Agenda of destroy, not diplomacy!

  2. 2

    Puddybud spews:

    Mummified VA: I don’t have the time to look back at all you incoherent rants to prove my point. I am working out of town again! You said at least a week ago that white men vote donko. You should save your rants for posterior oops… posterity.

  3. 3

    Jack spews:

    “Hey, Rufus, please provide for us a side-by-side comparison of the misdeeds of Clinton and Bush.”

    If Bush took a dump on the street in front of the White House, RUFUS would be the first to tell us it smelt like roses.

  4. 4

    Puddybud spews:

    Daddy Love: The new document shows you who the real perpetrator was. Can you say magnifique? Hint, hint!

  5. 5

    Green Thumb spews:

    Hey, Rufus, please provide for us a side-by-side comparison of the misdeeds of Clinton and Bush. That would be very enlightening.

  6. 6

    RUFUS spews:


    Dont forget these Green Thumb

    White Water
    Travel Gate
    China Gate
    Rose Law firm billing record
    Trooper Gate
    Vince Foster
    Juanita Brodrick-RAPE
    Paula Jones
    Lincoln Bedroom Gate
    FBI file gate
    Pardons for donations
    Vandal Gate-Trashing of White house when leaving
    Cattle gate- Remember Hillary’s $1,00 investment that turned into a fortune.
    PBS Gate- selling donor lists to PBS for direct solicitation- This is against the law
    IRS gate- Auditing Oliver North come on.
    Budist temple gate- Mainly Al Gore, but directed by Clinton

  7. 7

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -Jesus, PuddyBud, how many times do you have to be wrong before you decide you have been dealt a losing hand? Oh, I forget, you are just another Troll. –

    Yeah, Donna. I keep forgetting Pud’s a troll, too. Sad thing is, you can’t tell between the semi-sane neocons running the country and the iNsAne anarchy trolls, this day and age.

  8. 8

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -Trolls like PuddyBud will grasp at any straw to “prove” that Iraq had WMD and was a threat to the USA-

    Hypothetically speaking, even if Puddy and his demoralized band of neocons DID find proof that Saddam posed a threat to US national security (which he didn’t and couldn’t) – Bush bungled the whole invasion and occupation SO BADLY that the American public WOULDN’T EVEN CARE.

    How’s that for the ultimate irony, Puddy? It means you can keep banging your head against the wall FOREVER and nobody will notice! I love it!

  9. 9

    Donnageddon spews:

    Especially quoting il Foglio, a right wing rag similiar to the Murdoch empire of Neocon facist media.

    And Puddy also uses the “unbiased” sources of the National Review.

    PuddyBud, you know why you are always wrong? It is not bad luck, it is because you stuff your porous mind with Bullshit and Biased Nonsense.

    Jesus, PuddyBud, how many times do you have to be wrong before you decide you have been dealt a losing hand?

    … Oh, I forget, you are just another Troll.

  10. 10

    Donnageddon spews:

    Trolls like PuddyBud will grasp at any straw to “prove” that Iraq had WMD and was a threat to the USA, even after the most jaded Neocon has already dropped it and figured out another way to dupe their zombie brigade.

  11. 11

    Donnageddon spews:

    Reasons for invading Iraq:

    1. WMD and close relationship to Al Queda – lasted 2 years pre-Iraq disaster, 6 months after the Iraq civil war started.

    2. Making The USA safer from Terrorism – lasted 6 months after the WMD and Al Queda lie vanished. Re-asserted itself the 6 months leading up to the 2004 election with fake “Terrorist” alerts and colored graphics on FOX News.

    3. Making Democracy in the Middle East – Lasted until late 2005 when The US public realised it was all a sham to actually destroy Democracy in The US.

    End game: Prison sentences and hangings for the facist bastards that started this deadly game of modern day Robber Barons.

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    Daddy Love spews:

    Puddy, the Italians were the originators of the forged Niger documents. Citing an Italian source to prove their authenticity is like quoting David Duke to prove the inferiority of African Americans.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    What we know now about the Cuban missile crisis indicates that:

    1) The situation was even more dangerous than JFK and his advisers thought at the time, because there were already nuclear-armed missiles in Cuba that U.S. intelligence didn’t know about, and these missiles would have been fired at American targets if the U.S. had attacked Cuba.

    2) Robert Kennedy was the calm voice of reason who persuaded his somewhat more hot-headed brother and the rest of the cabinet to not resort to military strikes against Cuba.

    3) A nuclear exchange at that time wouldn’t have been Armageddon. The U.S. had an overwhelming firepower advantage, and the Soviets did not, at that time, have the capability of destroying the United States. They had only 250 nuclear warheads total, fewer than 50 missiles (including those in Cuba), and only 4 to 6 operational ICBMs.

  14. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “things are looking positive”

    Keep telling yourselve that, righties — makes our job easier.

  15. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “Rose Law firm billing record” Commentby RUFUS— 4/23/06@ 9:41 pm

    What about the Rose Law firm billing record, Doofus? Besides right-wing myth-making? The investigation of Rose Law Firm billing requires cleared Hillary Clinton.

  16. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    7 (continued)

    “Trooper Gate”

    What about “Troopergate,” Doofus? Another right-wing myth. In his book, “Blinded by the Right,” the right-wing’s hatchet man, David Brock, admitted it was all made up.

    “Vince Foster”

    What about Vince Foster, Doofus? Every responsible investigating authority involved in the case was satisfied Foster committed suicide. Only right-wing conspiracy nuts believe he was murdered.

    Commentby RUFUS— 4/23/06@ 9:41 pm

  17. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    LibrulRedneck sez:

    “Puddy – aren’t those the exact same aye-rabs you and Brian Suits want to deport get rid of? The same ones that your buddy Mark the Redneck wants to have killed? All of a sudden the people you hate are useful to you and your sick pals?

    Sorry I never said anything of the sort. Search ASSes and see if you can find me quoting such nonsense. Where did Suits say that? I know MTR said it!!!

  18. 20

    Harry Tuttle spews:


    Uh-huh. I’ll note that as one more lie in your long list of falsehoods. Since Democrats haven’t carried white males in a presidential election since Lyndon Johnson and typically lose by 8-17%, I can’t imagine a circumstance where I’d assert that white males vote Democratic.

    I don’t care from which surface of the echo-chamber you extract your goof ball statements, the president acknowledged that he should not have said that Iraq was getting yellow-cake from Iraq. In addition, I wouldn’t doubt that Saddam Hussein had and has even more diabolical intent toward the United States than suicide bombers, maybe your aunt has them, too.

    The crux of the matter is the ability of either of them to carry out their mad plans, and whether it is worth two billion dollars and thousands of lives to neutralize any capability they possess.

  19. 22

    Puddybud spews:

    Clay Shaw: Good of you to know your Bible.

    So you think going after evil is evil? So you think that GWB dug his own hole. Maybe he did. History will tell.

    So are you equating GWB with Saddam? Are you one of those who thinks leaving Saddam alone was good for humanity now with some of the Internet posted Iraqi documents being translated and his air force general was looking for suicide pilots to attack US and GB? If you are you are spewing the daily kurse talking points.

  20. 23

    LeftTurn spews:

    I think we should send all the kids of the Eastside republicans to Iran first. Let’s see how that goes over.

  21. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    A couple of other illuminating facts about the Cuban Missile Crisis:

    1) Hawks wanted to invade Cuba. U.S. military planners believed the opposition would consist of 10,000 Soviet troops and 100,000 Cuban troops. The actual numbers were 43,000 and 270,000, respectively.

    2) For repelling a U.S. invasion, the Russian troops in Cuba had about a dozen tactical nuclear warheads on short-range missiles, which were operational.

    Consequently, it seems probably if the U.S. had attempted to invade Cuba, the invasion would have been defeated with most of the U.S. forces destroyed on the beaches by tactical nuclear attacks, with the rest killed or captured by vastly superior conventional enemy forces. In this scenario, it’s hard to visualize JFK not countering with U.S. nuclear attacks on the Soviet and Cuban forces.

  22. 25

    Anonymous spews:

    I think this talk of “nukular” war with Iran is just that, talk. It’s yet another example of what the Bush administration is very good at: throwing out a controversial issue and then sticking their collective dicks in our collective cornholes when we’re distracted by the issue.

    They are masters of manipulation, not that the average “yellow ribbon” patriot needs much of that. It’s only when something completely unexpected happens (Katrina, Mary the Redneck not wetting the bed, etc.) that their organization is flustered.

    I don’t think they give a rat’s ass about any domestic issues that don’t relate directly to their offshore holdings…but they’re great at distracting us with them, and non-thinkers like the trolls here just swallow their salty excesses and even say thank you and “come again” every time.

  23. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bush’s military adventurism is encouraging the spread of nuclear weapons and making the world a more dangerous place. It’s only natural for countries like Iran to respond to U.S. saber-rattling by acquiring nukes. Viewing Iran’s position objectively, they’d be crazy not to. Nukes level the playing field; if you have nuclear weapons, even the U.S. won’t risk pushing you around. Or so they reason.

    Now ask yourself, how would Iran deliver a nuclear weapon to an U.S. target? They don’t have ICBMs, bombers, or submarines. So the only way they can do it is by sneaking a weapon into the U.S. disguised as freight, probably by ship, probably in a cargo container.

    There are two ways to do it — themselves, with their own personnel and organizations, or through the services of a proxy organization. Where do you find a proxy willing to deliver a nuclear weapon? Terrorist groups, that’s where.

    And what are the BushCONS doing to prevent such an attack? Planning a pre-emptive nuclear attack on Iran, that’s what. The goopers won’t spend a dime of federal money to beef up inspection of cargo containers entering the U.S. In Congress, Republicans repeatedly voted against funding for cargo inspection and improved port security, and the White House several times threatened to veto appropriations for these purposes.

    Four and a half years after 9/11, 1/2 of 1% of cargo containers entering the U.S. are inspected — a figure virtually unchanged since the beginning of the Bush administration. Democrats want 100% inspection. Republicans think 1/2 of 1% is just fine.

    Republicans also want to bomb Iran with nuclear weapons to keep Iran from giving a nuclear weapon to terrorists who would smuggle it into the U.S. in a cargo container and blow up an American city with it.

    Nuts. Just plain nuts. Right wingers are fucking crazy, every last one of them.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -If you chose to listen to Brian Suits show last Friday you would have learned his arabic barbers in North Seattle read from the non-translated documents (they are posted on the web in their original arabic form) and were shocked at their content.-

    Puddy – aren’t those the exact same aye-rabs you and Brian Suits want to deport get rid of? The same ones that your buddy Mark the Redneck wants to have killed? All of a sudden the people you hate are useful to you and your sick pals?

    If you are going to be a vicious, anti-Muslim “Christian” Republican racist, at least stay consistent for a couple minutes, Puddy.

  25. 30

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -“Anything that is captured by your audio, that is captured while I’m not seated in this chair, is off the record and is not permissible to be used. Is that understood?” McKinney said.’’

    Apparently not, pigface. I’ll give the station credit for reporting it. She sounds like Hillary! in blackface. –

    My God – JCH is losing it. Now, this racist actually thinks he’s communicating DIRECTLY with Cynthia McKinney. What a trip.

  26. 31

    Puddybud spews:

    Mummified Brain Voter Advocate: Aren’t you the one who “claimed” that white men vote for donkocrapts? I told you you were wrong and you called me a liar! When proven wrong by the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) you shut up then. Welll time to shut up again mummified brain cell!!!

    Mummified, the so called freeper documents are translations from the Iraqi collected documents gathered from the Iraqi Interior Ministry and other locations. If you chose to listen to KVI Brian Suits show last Friday you would have learned private citizens are translating the documents. If you chose to listen to Brian Suits show last Friday you would have learned his arabic barbers in North Seattle read from the non-translated documents (they are posted on the web in their original arabic form) and were shocked at their content. He then showed them the translations and they said they were authentic translations. If you chose to listen to Brian Suits show last Friday you would have learned the names of Brian’s Iraqi barbers.

    But you choose to read daily kurse which dares not to post these documents because it would destroy their worthless mantras that all of you on ASSes spout every day!

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    proud leftist spews:

    Hey Puddybud,
    How does it feel to be an ideological soulmate with a twisted racist like JCH? As a Republican, you can’t apologize for him because he represents a significant slice of the Republican base. You have to embrace him.

  28. 35

    clay shaw spews:

    Puddybud: How do you think the typical American Fundamentalist Christian CLERIC would interpret this piece of scipture? Self-servingly, no doubt! But it is , according to Fundamentalist Christian Clerics, God’s own unerring truth:

    verses 14, 15, 16:

    14:See how the wicked man thinks up evil;
    he plans trouble and practices deception.

    15: He digs a deep hole in the ground,
    then falls inro his own pit!

    16: So he is punished by his own evil;
    he is hurt by his own violence.

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    Voter Advocate spews:

    75 (cont’d)

    I don’t recall ever addressing you except to call you a liar, which you are.

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    Voter Advocate spews:


    This is the premise I’m refering to

    Aren’t you the one who “claimed” that white men vote for donkocrapts? I told you you were wrong and you called me a liar!

  31. 38

    dlaw spews:

    I want to point you all to the conservative columns on

    They are particularly pitiful.

    There are columns about manners. Hey, why wasn’t the guy more upset who Dick Cheny shot in the face? Most Republicans have an extra. Yeah, of course it’s funny when lying, bigoted Republicans talk about manners.

    There is a column trying to trot out the old idea that criticizing an unpopular President during an unpopular war based on lies is “sedition”. How the Bush lies aren’t traitorous, nobody understands, but there you are.

    There are two columns about how sexism is okay because women are both inferior and darn happy about it. There are a couple articles about failures of Administration figures (not my interpretation, what the columnists say)

    There is a column about how Hugo Chavez (who I think has been elected twice and won two interim referenda) is a threat to democracy, along with other duly elected South American leaders. Strangely, nothing is mentioned about the terrifyingly brutal Central Asian dictators who are our “allies” in the “war on terror” and the President’s efforts to “spread democracy”. Guess what, these duly elected South Americans are leftists.

    There is also a column about how Democrats are not criticizing big business for encouraging amnesty and “guest worker” importation programs. I guess I am not as widely read as I thought.

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    Anonymous spews:

    35. I expect because there was a pretty sweet honeymoon for any and all security/military agency…everyone got lots of toys, and probably got to fool around with operations that were too “out there” in the past, but not for these guys.

    There may still be. Offering up and occasional agent to get to continue playing with your toys is probably a deal the agency bigwigs are willing to make. And don’t forget Bush I’s tenure in the CIA.

  33. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bush’s concept of “preemptive war” is as intellectually dishonest, dangerous, and disreputable as the discredited notion of arresting and imprisoning people based on a subjective belief they might commit a crime in the future.

  34. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Anybody who has to pay $500,000 of child support FOR ONE KID has got to have some loose wires.

  35. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Don’t misunderstand — I’m not advocating reversing two stolen presidential elections by “extreme prejudice.” I’m merely making the observation that our military and covert operations agencies are capable of “removing” a president if motivated to do so by the realization he’s a dangerous madman.

  36. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that, for the first time, we find outselves talking about a “dangerous madman in the White House” not as a fictional scenario or theoretical possibility, but in the context of worrying that a sitting president may, in fact, be a dangerous madman?

  37. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I wonder who will win the 2008 presidential election if the average commuter is spending $40 a day on gas?

  38. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    The thing I’m curious about is why CIA people haven’t already taken Bush out. They’re certainly pissed at him. When Bush got caught lying about WMDs, he blamed the CIA for “faulty intelligence.” Now, a career CIA officer has been fired for tipping the media about Bush’s secret gulag in Europe. There have to be a lot of people at the CIA by now thinking about screwing a silencer on a PK or Glock.

  39. 48

    Anonymous spews:

    The thing that is clear is that Bush II is a puppet. His “idiocy” is a front, but I don’t think he’s the brains behind the program to steal everything we own. Bush I and Cheney are pulling the strings. And they’ll pull another 9/11 “terrorist” attack if it gets too out of hand.

    Isn’t it odd we haven’t had any “terrorist alerts” since the elections? Huh. Expect them to start up again towards November.

    I just hope our military officers aren’t as insane as the executive office is. The career men and women must have realized now they’re being used–they’re simply tools, just like Mary, Pasco Herman, and all the others.

    I’m not sure we have to worry about “nukular” war…there’s no money in it, and these guys are ALL about the rape of the world, its people and its resources.

  40. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The GOP’s cover was blown when the world learned that its most supposedly “conservative” thinkers, the neocons, are in fact recycled Trotskyites. Nixon instituted price controls and rapprochement with China. The truth is, Republicans are closet COMMIES.

  41. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m hanging on to my oil stocks for now because if Bush hits Iran with nuclear “bunker buster” bombs, Roger Rabbit is gonna be a RICH BUNNY!!! You think $3 gas is bad, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

  42. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It’s interesting to note that one of the cornerstones of Republicanism is government subsidies to Big Business — ranging from billion-dollar sports stadiums to half-trillion-dollar bailouts. For generations, farmers have been a bedrock GOP constituency, and federal farm subsidies have been a key element of Republicanism. And yet, for generations, Republicans have touted themselves as champions of “free enterprise” and opponents of “socialism.”

    How the hell did these liars get away with it for so long? The only possible explanation is that many people are willfully deaf, blind, and dumb.

  43. 53

    dlaw spews:

    The thing I enjoy most about the Republicans’ stewing in their high-spending, corrupt, immigrant importing, lying-to-war, not-giving-a-fuck-about-the-homeland juices is that it makes all these Dittohead freaks more and more desperate.

    The tide has gone out and the slimy things are dying on the beach. Bush is at 33%. No more “Morning in America”. No more gay fantasies about Ron and Nancy.

    Now you just have a solid record of failure and spending, spending, spending, spending, spending, spending.

    Never again will a Republican be able to make the argument that they are “fiscal conservatives”. Bush thought the “war on terror” would cover it all up. Now we realize that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself – oh and Republicans with a government checkbook.

    What a bunch of frauds. Nixon thrown out in disgrace as a dangerous megalomaniac,d Reagan a high-spending fraud, Bush 1 a loser, Bush Jr. a dangerous megalomaniac AND a high-spending fraud – oh, and a loser.

    The “Decider” apparently decided TO SUCK.

  44. 54

    dlaw spews:

    Anti-Brain @ 11

    Seriously, are you stupider than Rufus?

    Shut the fuck up.

    Your President sucks and the Country hates him.

  45. 55

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    Dlaw, You seem angry and bitter tonight. Why not end the pain? Yes, Dlaw, make the pain go away!! End it all!! Then you will feel better!!

  46. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “Clinton was impeached and disbarred because he lied to a grand jury in attempt to conceal a pattern of predatory behavior in connection with a felony assault case that he later settled for $800k. Those are the facts…” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/23/06@ 10:31 pm

    Correction, those are IRRELEVANT facts. Whether Clinton got his cock sucked at work, and later lied about it, didn’t affect me — I had no romatic interest in Monica. Hell, I didn’t even know she existed.

    On the other hand, Bush’s Iraq debacle is already affecting me. I’m too old and sick to work, so I have to make do with my fixed income, and Bush’s optional war against Saddam is directly responsible for the inflation that now poses a serious threat to my personal well-being. Add to that Bush’s attempted $1 trillion raid on Social Security, and the man is fucking with my survival a few years farther down the road. And that’s before you even start discussing whether this nut case might actually use nuclear weapons against Iran, or start World War III. (In case you haven’t noticed, Redneck, Russia has a lot of interests n Iran to protect, and gets very interested every time the U.S. gets bellicose toward Iran.)

  47. 57

    wayne spews:


    These are the facts. The Paula Jones case was a sex harassment and retaliation lawsuit, not “felony assault”. It was thrown out by the trial judge as without merit. Clinton chose to settle while the dismissal was under appeal, because it was better to settle than to risk further disruption. He was sanctioned by the court for lying about getting blow jobs from an intern, disgraceful behavior but not sufficient to justify impeachment. On the other hand, disbarrment was appropriate.

    I realize you prefer spin to facts, so you will merely ignore reality and continue to spout the right-wing party line.

  48. 58

    wayne spews:

    By the way Mark, Clinton lied in a civil deposition, not before a grand jury. But don’t let the facts get in the way of you delusions.

  49. 59

    dlaw spews:

    And @ 4, RUFUS proves to us that he may be an idiot, but he’s a racist, too.

    What fun people.

  50. 60

    dlaw spews:

    Wayne @ 13

    Mary has many degrees, but he yet never learned how the Laffer Curve works and he doesn’t know the difference between civil and criminal law. Hmm, how can this be?

    Well, obviously he’s a fraud.

    Mary, truly, why do I give a fuck what Bill Clinton did when this President has lied us into a war and slaughtered thousands of people senselessly? You do admit that he’s accomplished nothing in Iraq, right?

    You’ve not going to try and DEFEND the lies and the total pointlessness.

    Oh, I’m sorry. You can’t.

  51. 61

    dlaw spews:

    I think what’s wonderful is that the Republicans are not calling on Bush Jr. to DO ANYTHING OF ANY KIND.

    They know he’ll screw it up

  52. 62

    dlaw spews:

    JCH @ 17

    Because I’m not a pathetic closet case and I have something to live for – I have a brain and my life is not a sick-session of constant resentment and hatred.

  53. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Less than 1 minute after midnight on September 26, 1983 — about three weeks after the Soviets shot down a Korean Airlines 747 — computers processing data from Russian satellites indicated the U.S. had launched an ICBM. The duty officer, a Russian Army colonel, had to make the call. He knew the satellite system’s reliability had been questioned, and reasoned that if the U.S. attacked the U.S.S.R., it probably would launch many missiles, not just one. A few minutes later, the computer system indicated the launches of 4 more U.S. ICBMs, but the Russian officer continued to call it a false alarm.

    For about twenty minutes, this man held the fate of the world in his hands. He was not rewarded by the Soviet military establishment or political hierarchy. He was reprimanded, reassigned, and eventually retired into poverty and obscurity. Recently, he has been honored in the West and given a small amount of financial assistance ($1,000) from U.S. sources.

  54. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    On October 27, 1962, at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, American Navy ships trapped and depth charged a Soviet submarine near Cuba.

    The sub war armed with nuclear torpedos, and the sub’s officers did not need authority from Moscow. The sub’s captain, political officer, and another officer had authority to use them, if all three agreed.

    The captain, believing war had already started, wanted to attack the U.S. task force with the nuclear weapon. Reportedly the political officer agreed. However, the third officer did not. Years later, Robert McNamara said the U.S. and Russia came much closer to nuclear war than anyone knew, and this Soviet naval officer “saved the world.”

  55. 65

    ArtFart spews:

    The one thing I take exception to in Schlesinger’s thesis is that Dubya seems in any way a “humane man”. By what reckoning does he reach this conclusion? After watching the man for six years I don’t believe I’ve seen even a tiny shred of evidence.

    I’d also like to ask the freeper trolls whose noise fills the discussions here if they could honestly say that if 9/11 and all the following events had taken place, except that Al Gore (or some other Democrat) had been President and had done exactly the same things, that they wouldn’t be screaming for him to be strapped to a rack and fed his own entrails. Not that I expect a sensible answer.

  56. 66

    Green Thumb spews:

    Look at the way the wingers vilified Clinton when he moved to the right and coopted the Republicans on issues such as welfare “reform.” They had less room to criticize him on the issues, so they focused on his personal life. So if Gore had taken similar actions to Bush, the trolls would have knitpicked his wardrobe.

  57. 68

    BushWentAWOL spews:

    Speaking of chickenhawks…

    Did you know that Handjob Hannity never served in the military? Yet this coward gets on the radio every day and talks trash like a lapel-pin patriot. During Gulf War One under PaPa Bush, Shean Hannity would have been the perfect age to enlist. Why didn’t this pro war, nuke em if you got em, let’s support our troops hypocrite sign up when HE had the chance to do the fighting? Oh of course, he doesn’t ACTUALLY want to go to war, he just wants someone ELSE to go to war for him. Cowardly punk!

  58. 70

    Nindid spews:

    You know, Bush keeps saying that he wants to be judged by the historians, but I don’t think he is going to like the answers he gets no or in 20 years.

    Historians as a bunch like evidence, logic and careful attention to detail. Bush’s messianic megalomania and his (Rove’s?) constant use of outright propaganda will not endear him to any historian.

    Not that historians are anything special, heck, the vast majority of the American people can see through the deceiver already.

  59. 72

    Voter Advocate spews:


    The Germans, at least, had to go to the trouble of staging events that appeared as Polish agression. Bush has only to assert that the potential for attack exists to “justify” his.

    We see the trolls here using FreeRepublic fantasies in an attempt to “prove” that Saddam Hussein had plans for suicide bombers in an ex post facto justification for Bush’s war, based on this supposed capability.

    If Saddam thinking about sending out suicide bombers is enough to justify an attack, Ahmadinejad has already admitted to enough for Bush to launch.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    By the way, this whole Iran thing, for some reason, reminds me of the German/Polish border, late summer of 1939. What a disturbing thought.

  61. 74

    Voter Advocate spews:


    I realize that NORAD dealt with many false alarms over the years, from flocks of geese to equipment malfunctions. Since it is staffed with people trained to assess such threats, I wasn’t so concerned about NORAD. Concerned, but not highly concerned.

    I guess the boiler plate answer to my query is that no single person has the authority to launch nuclear weapons in the US chain of command. I don’t know if I buy that premise, but I have nothing to refute it.

  62. 75

    rhp6033 spews:

    to Voter Advocate @ 48:

    I seem to recall an incident during the Reagan administration when our NORAD alarms were set off, also, in this case indicating a massive first-strike nuclear attack by the Soviets.

    It seems that someone made a mistake and started running a “drill” program on the computer inadvertantly. Apparantly there were quite a few nervous moments at NORAD while they tried to get confirmation – I don’t know how they could confirm that, anyway. But they were able to realize it was a false alarm before things got out of hand. I remember the incident becuase it was ironic that it occured somewhat at the same time as the “War Games” movie was released.

  63. 77

    Voter Advocate spews:

    Are there any stories of US personnel refusing to use nuclear weapons?

    I’d hate to think that my existance relies only on foreign officers “blinking”. I know that our military is comprised 75% of nuts such as JCH and MTR portray themselves to be, and their scripts would push the button in a NY minute.

    Then again, Cuban missiles launched against the United States would have hit the Southern and Mid-Atlantic states. Maybe a few million less of those yahoos wouldn’t have been so bad…

  64. 78

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    ‘McKinney Orders Reporter Not to Air Public Comments’

    I just saw on UPN’s ”The Daily Buzz,” McKinney flash her bug eyes and shark teeth at the reporter for asking ”simple” questions about her Capitol Police ”strike-fist.” And,when she walked out with her mike on and got caught bad-mouthing the reporter, mcKinney came back to make an understood ”threat” as to what SHE would allow the press to report. It was a hoot that ALL this was caught on tape.

  65. 79

    headless lucy spews:

    re 7: Your list is even shaped like BS, Rufus.

    Why, Rufus, did George W. Bush fly the bin Laden family to safety the day after 9/11 when every other non-military aircraft in the nation was grounded?

    9/11 changed everything except maybe a few, huh, Rufus? Keep spinnin’and grinnin’!!

  66. 80

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    Police in Sierra Leone are on the hunt for a group of chimpanzees, who escaped from their wildlife sanctuary after a fatal attack on construction workers. Armed reinforcements are combing the area after a Sierra Leonean died and two Americans were seriously injured……………….[Hell, I thought this only happened in Detroit!!!!!!!!!!!]

  67. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Rabbit Pellet: NY Times reported last week no evidence of “secret European gulags”! Sorry to disrupt your talking points. Carry on!

  68. 82

    Richard Pope spews:

    What about the “humanitarian bombing” that Bill Clinton carried out in the former Yugoslavia and other places?

  69. 83

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    “Anything that is captured by your audio, that is captured while I’m not seated in this chair, is off the record and is not permissible to be used. Is that understood?” McKinney said.”

    Apparently not, pigface. I’ll give the station credit for reporting it. She sounds like Hillary! in blackface.

  70. 84

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    Just another example of how leftists are not progressive, but actually extremely reactionary.

    The leftist politicos think themselves as members of the peerage – little lords and ladies who are better than the hoi-palloi. They believe they have a right of lordship, where the commoners must obey them, and that they can treat the peasants any way they choose.

    That is why the left seems so infatuated with dictators and ‘rock star’ politicians – they want to be ordered around, they need someone else to take care of them. They are mentally challenged in that they believe all lefty dictators are somehow, despite mass graves to the contrary, given to noblesse oblige.

    So Duchess McKinney feels right to strike the peasant constable who dared to question, nay, had the gall to talk to her and touch her. Laws are for commoners, not the lords, donchaknow. And of course, the Duchess can order around the press.

    I’m tired of it. And of Democrats.

  71. 85

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Oh, I forgot to mention … the LOCAL commander in Cuba had authority to use the tactical nukes to repel a U.S. invasion. He didn’t have to get clearance from Moscow — HE ALREADY HAD IT.

  72. 86

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “I’m tired … of Democrats.” Commentby Hillary [JCH]Clinton— 4/24/06@ 10:55 am

    Then why are you spending your retirement posting on a liberal blog?

  73. 87

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    60 (continued)

    Obviously, you consider HA a good investment of your time, or you wouldn’t be doing it.

  74. 88

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    60 (continued)

    Obviously, you consider HA a good investment of your time, or you wouldn’t be doing it.

  75. 89

    BushWentAWOL spews:

    Word has come down that DeLay is trying to angle for time in a cushy white collar prison instead of a place where he’ll do hard time. I wonder if we can get a Democratic prison warden to make sure his request is denied. Don’t bend over Tommy, things could get STICKY!

  76. 90


    Goldy- Your such a pessimist. A Bush revival, while perhaps difficult, is not entirely out of the question.

    With a new COS at the helm, and with Rove freed up to mount the takeback of the political sphere, things are looking positive.

    If Bush makes a comeback, Democrats are going to be in need of a platform for ’06. Right now all you have is anti-Bush sentiment; that may be a motivator for the base now, but it won’t keep your moonbat foot soldiers going once Bush’s poll numbers rise again.

  77. 91

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Clinton was impeached and disbarred because he lied to a grand jury in attempt to conceal a pattern of predatory behavior in connection with a felony assault case that he later settled for $800k. Those are the facts…

  78. 92

    LeftTurn spews:

    More than likely, Bushco and his cabal will end up blowing up the whole world. The good news is that at least there won’t be anymore right wing talk radio – Hell, there won’t be anything left at all. Then the microbes can start over and hopefully the gene pool will be cleansed of all the inbreds that formed the GOP!