Obama | Romney |
100.0% probability of winning | 0.0% probability of winning |
Mean of 336 electoral votes | Mean of 202 electoral votes |
My previous Monte Carlo analysis, conducted one week ago, showed President Barack Obama leading Governor Mitt Romney by (on average) 306 to 232 electoral votes. If the election had been held last week, the analysis suggested that Obama would win with a 97.9% probability.
I guess I waited too long to do a new analysis, because the past week has brought us 47 new polls (plus a poll that breaks out Maine’s two congressional districts):
start | end | sample | % | % | % | |||
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st | poll | date | date | size | MOE | O | R | diff |
CA | Field Poll | 06-Sep | 17-Sep | 891 | 3.4 | 58 | 34 | O+24 |
CO | Rasmussen | 17-Sep | 17-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 45 | 47 | R+2 |
CO | Quinnipiac | 11-Sep | 17-Sep | 1497 | 3.0 | 48 | 47 | O+1 |
CO | ARG | 10-Sep | 12-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 49 | 47 | O+2 |
CO | SurveyUSA | 09-Sep | 12-Sep | 615 | 4.0 | 47 | 46 | O+1 |
CT | U CT | 11-Sep | 16-Sep | 508 | 4.4 | 53 | 32 | O+21 |
FL | WeAskAmerica | 18-Sep | 18-Sep | 1230 | 2.8 | 49.1 | 45.5 | O+3.6 |
FL | FOX News | 16-Sep | 18-Sep | 829 | 3.0 | 49 | 44 | O+5 |
FL | Gravis Marketing | 15-Sep | 16-Sep | 1728 | 2.5 | 47.1 | 47.7 | R+0.6 |
IA | Rasmussen | 19-Sep | 19-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 44 | 47 | R+3 |
KY | SurveyUSA | 11-Sep | 13-Sep | 606 | 4.1 | 39 | 53 | R+14 |
ME | PPP | 17-Sep | 18-Sep | 804 | 3.5 | 55 | 39 | O+16 |
ME | Maine PRC | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 856 | 3.4 | 53.5 | 37.3 | O+16.2 |
ME1 | Maine PRC | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 445 | — | 58.7 | 33.9 | O+24.8 |
ME2 | Maine PRC | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 410 | — | 47.8 | 41.0 | O+6.8 |
MA | WBUR | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 507 | 4.4 | 59 | 31 | O+28 |
MA | UMass-Lowell | 13-Sep | 17-Sep | 497 | 5.5 | 59 | 36 | O+23 |
MA | Suffolk | 13-Sep | 16-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 63.5 | 30.5 | O+33.0 |
MA | PPP | 13-Sep | 16-Sep | 876 | 3.3 | 57 | 39 | O+18 |
MA | WNEU | 06-Sep | 13-Sep | 444 | 4.6 | 60 | 38 | O+22 |
MI | Detroit News | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 52.0 | 37.8 | O+14.2 |
MI | CNN | 14-Sep | 18-Sep | 754 | 3.5 | 52 | 44 | O+8 |
MI | MRG | 10-Sep | 15-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 47.5 | 42.3 | O+5.2 |
MI | Baydoun | 12-Sep | 12-Sep | 1156 | 2.9 | 45.5 | 43.7 | O+1.8 |
NV | Rasmussen | 18-Sep | 18-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 47 | 45 | O+2 |
NV | CNN | 14-Sep | 18-Sep | 741 | 3.5 | 49 | 46 | O+3 |
NH | Rasmussen | 18-Sep | 18-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 45 | 48 | R+3 |
NH | ARG | 15-Sep | 17-Sep | 463 | 4.5 | 48 | 47 | O+1 |
NJ | Philadelphia Inquirer | 09-Sep | 12-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 51 | 37 | O+14 |
NJ | Fairleigh Dickinson | 06-Sep | 12-Sep | 706 | 3.8 | 52 | 38 | O+14 |
NC | Rasmussen | 13-Sep | 13-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 45 | 51 | R+6 |
OH | Rasmussen | 12-Sep | 12-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 47 | 46 | O+1 |
OH | ARG | 10-Sep | 12-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 48 | 47 | O+1 |
OR | SurveyUSA | 10-Sep | 13-Sep | 552 | 4.3 | 49.5 | 40.7 | O+8.9 |
PA | WeAskAmerica | 18-Sep | 18-Sep | 1214 | 2.9 | 48.1 | 42.2 | O+5.9 |
PA | Muhlenberg | 10-Sep | 16-Sep | 640 | 4.0 | 50 | 41 | O+9 |
PA | Philadelphia Inquirer | 09-Sep | 12-Sep | 600 | 4.0 | 50 | 39 | O+11 |
VA | FOX News | 16-Sep | 18-Sep | 1006 | 3.0 | 50 | 43 | O+7 |
VA | WeAskAmerica | 17-Sep | 17-Sep | 1238 | 2.8 | 48.5 | 45.7 | O+2.8 |
VA | PPP | 13-Sep | 16-Sep | 1021 | 3.1 | 51 | 46 | O+5 |
VA | Quinnipiac | 11-Sep | 17-Sep | 1474 | 3.0 | 50 | 46 | O+4 |
VA | WA Post | 12-Sep | 16-Sep | 847 | 4.0 | 52 | 44 | O+8 |
VA | Rasmussen | 13-Sep | 13-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 49 | 48 | O+1 |
WA | Elway | 09-Sep | 12-Sep | 405 | 5.0 | 53 | 36 | O+17 |
WA | SurveyUSA | 07-Sep | 09-Sep | 524 | 4.4 | 54.4 | 37.6 | O+16.8 |
WI | PPP | 18-Sep | 19-Sep | 842 | 3.4 | 52 | 45 | O+7 |
WI | Rasmussen | 17-Sep | 17-Sep | 500 | 4.5 | 49 | 46 | O+3 |
WI | Marquette | 13-Sep | 16-Sep | 601 | 4.1 | 54 | 40 | O+14 |
WI | Quinnipiac | 11-Sep | 17-Sep | 1485 | 3.0 | 51 | 45 | O+6 |
I’ll just comment briefly on some states. Overall, the week’s polling looks very good for Obama, but with a couple of minor exceptions.
Obama takes three of four Colorado polls. This suggests a slight but real lead in the state. The Monte Carlo analysis gave Obama an 84% probability of winning based on the seven current polls.
Obama comes out on top in Florida. He has led in seven of the eleven polls taken over the past month.
Iowa is one of the few bright spots for Romney. He leads Obama by +3% in this week’s poll. But Obama leads in the other current poll, and overall has a very slight edge.
Romney looks destined to loose his boyhood home state of Michigan that gives Obama leads in four polls ranging from +2% to +14%.
Nevada is looking blue, but not by much. Combined with one other poll from the past month, the analysis gives Obama an 81% probability of taking the state.
Romney is up by +3% in one poll and down by -1% in another in New Hampshire. Combined with one other current poll Obama gets a 63% probability of winning now.
The other bit of good news for Romney is the most recent North Carolina poll that has Romney leading Obama by a modest +6%. Romney now leads in five of eight current polls and must be considered the leader in the state. A turn-around for Romney can be discerned from the last 6 months of polling:
There are three new Ohio polls, but I accidentally left the new FOX News poll out for this analysis. Even without that +7% for Obama, the two new polls give Obama a slight lead. Romney has only led in one of the seven current polls, and Obama would be expected to win the state now with a 90% probability. (The FOX News poll will be in the next analysis.)
We finally get a new poll in Oregon, and Obama is still up by something over 8%.
Pennsylvania is still looking blue. The past past month of polling has Obama winning an election now with certainty.
Six new polls in Virginia all go pretty convincingly for Obama. The polling history over six months completes the story…whatever advantage Romney had in the state a few weeks ago was transient:
It doesn’t look like Ryan will be delivering Wisconsin to Romney. The four new polls range from +3% to +14% for Obama. If anything, the selection of Ryan has moved the state further into Obama’s column:
Now, after a Monte Carlo analysis employing 100,000 simulated elections, Obama wins 99,975 times and Romney wins 25 times. Obama receives (on average) 336 to Romney’s 202 electoral votes. The analysis suggests that, in an election right now, Obama would have very nearly a 100.0% probability of defeating Romney.
The long term trends in this race can be seen from a series of elections simulated every seven days using polls from 20 Sep 2011 to 20 Sep 2012, and including polls from the preceding month (FAQ). Obama is performing near his peak for the election season.
Here is the distribution of electoral votes [FAQ] from the simulations:
Ten most probable electoral vote outcomes for Obama:
- 344 electoral votes with a 5.13% probability
- 339 electoral votes with a 4.22% probability
- 338 electoral votes with a 4.13% probability
- 345 electoral votes with a 3.83% probability
- 340 electoral votes with a 3.77% probability
- 341 electoral votes with a 3.16% probability
- 334 electoral votes with a 3.05% probability
- 335 electoral votes with a 2.93% probability
- 332 electoral votes with a 2.49% probability
- 336 electoral votes with a 2.23% probability
After 100,000 simulations:
- Obama wins 100.0%, Romney wins 0.0%.
- Average (SE) EC votes for Obama: 336.2 (16.4)
- Average (SE) EC votes for Romney: 201.8 (16.4)
- Median (95% CI) EC votes for Obama: 338 (299, 365)
- Median (95% CI) EC votes for Romney: 200 (173, 239)
Each column of this table shows the electoral vote total aggregated by different criteria for the probability of winning a state (Safe=100%, Strong=90%+, Leans=60%+, Weak=50%+):
Threshold | Safe | + Strong | + Leans | + Weak |
---|---|---|---|---|
Safe Obama | 198 | |||
Strong Obama | 64 | 262 | ||
Leans Obama | 76 | 76 | 338 | |
Weak Obama | 6 | 6 | 6 | 344 |
Weak Romney | 1 | 1 | 1 | 194 |
Leans Romney | 20 | 20 | 193 | |
Strong Romney | 129 | 173 | ||
Safe Romney | 44 |
This table summarizes results by state. Click on the poll count to see the individual polls included for the state.
0 | 0 | EC | # | Total | % | % | Obama | Romney | |
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8 | 4 | Votes | polls | Votes | Obama | Romney | % wins | % wins | |
AL | 9 | 1* | 558 | 36.6 | 63.4 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
AK | 3 | 0* | (0) | (100) | |||||
AZ | 11 | 1 | 963 | 45.4 | 54.6 | 2.2 | 97.8 | ||
AR | 6 | 1* | 679 | 36.8 | 63.2 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
CA | 55 | 2 | 1304 | 62.7 | 37.3 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
CO | 9 | 7 | 4908 | 51.0 | 49.0 | 83.8 | 16.2 | ||
CT | 7 | 4 | 3148 | 55.8 | 44.2 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
DE | 3 | 0 | (100) | (0) | |||||
DC | 3 | 1* | 94 | 88.3 | 11.7 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
FL | 29 | 11 | 10318 | 50.7 | 49.3 | 85.6 | 14.4 | ||
GA | 16 | 1* | 1054 | 48.4 | 51.6 | 23.0 | 77.0 | ||
HI | 4 | 1* | 517 | 64.8 | 35.2 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
ID | 4 | 0* | (0) | (100) | |||||
IL | 20 | 2 | 2277 | 58.8 | 41.2 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
IN | 11 | 1* | 344 | 40.7 | 59.3 | 0.8 | 99.2 | ||
IA | 6 | 2 | 1600 | 50.3 | 49.7 | 55.4 | 44.6 | ||
KS | 6 | 1* | 442 | 45.0 | 55.0 | 7.3 | 92.7 | ||
KY | 8 | 1 | 557 | 42.4 | 57.6 | 0.6 | 99.4 | ||
LA | 8 | 1* | 542 | 41.1 | 58.9 | 0.3 | 99.7 | ||
ME | 2 | 2 | 1533 | 58.7 | 41.3 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
ME1 | 1 | 1 | 412 | 63.3 | 36.7 | 99.9 | 0.1 | ||
ME2 | 1 | 1 | 364 | 53.8 | 46.2 | 85.4 | 14.6 | ||
MD | 10 | 1* | 792 | 62.4 | 37.6 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
MA | 11 | 5 | 2768 | 62.8 | 37.2 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
MI | 16 | 8 | 6619 | 52.7 | 47.3 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
MN | 10 | 2 | 1278 | 54.2 | 45.8 | 98.7 | 1.3 | ||
MS | 6 | 1* | 717 | 40.0 | 60.0 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
MO | 10 | 5 | 2565 | 46.5 | 53.5 | 0.5 | 99.5 | ||
MT | 3 | 2 | 1088 | 44.6 | 55.4 | 0.7 | 99.3 | ||
NE | 2 | 1* | 553 | 43.4 | 56.6 | 1.3 | 98.7 | ||
NE1 | 1 | 1* | 389 | 45.5 | 54.5 | 10.6 | 89.4 | ||
NE2 | 1 | 1* | 252 | 49.6 | 50.4 | 45.6 | 54.4 | ||
NE3 | 1 | 1* | 284 | 35.9 | 64.1 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
NV | 6 | 3 | 1971 | 51.4 | 48.6 | 80.9 | 19.1 | ||
NH | 4 | 3 | 1408 | 50.6 | 49.4 | 63.1 | 36.9 | ||
NJ | 14 | 4 | 3185 | 56.0 | 44.0 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
NM | 5 | 3 | 2083 | 55.4 | 44.6 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
NY | 29 | 1 | 1426 | 64.6 | 35.4 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
NC | 15 | 8 | 5642 | 48.8 | 51.2 | 9.7 | 90.3 | ||
ND | 3 | 1 | 918 | 53.8 | 46.2 | 94.8 | 5.2 | ||
OH | 18 | 7 | 7196 | 51.1 | 48.9 | 89.7 | 10.3 | ||
OK | 7 | 1* | 431 | 33.4 | 66.6 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
OR | 7 | 1 | 499 | 54.9 | 45.1 | 94.3 | 5.7 | ||
PA | 20 | 5 | 3147 | 54.6 | 45.4 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
RI | 4 | 1* | 495 | 59.4 | 40.6 | 99.9 | 0.1 | ||
SC | 9 | 1* | 1833 | 51.7 | 48.3 | 85.1 | 14.9 | ||
SD | 3 | 1* | 497 | 46.1 | 53.9 | 10.4 | 89.6 | ||
TN | 11 | 1* | 654 | 46.0 | 54.0 | 7.7 | 92.3 | ||
TX | 38 | 1 | 950 | 42.1 | 57.9 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
UT | 6 | 1* | 1149 | 27.7 | 72.3 | 0.0 | 100.0 | ||
VT | 3 | 1* | 415 | 71.3 | 28.7 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
VA | 13 | 9 | 9293 | 51.2 | 48.8 | 94.1 | 5.9 | ||
WA | 12 | 4 | 1859 | 58.3 | 41.7 | 100.0 | 0.0 | ||
WV | 5 | 1 | 361 | 42.1 | 57.9 | 1.6 | 98.4 | ||
WI | 10 | 4 | 3282 | 53.8 | 46.2 | 99.9 | 0.1 | ||
WY | 3 | 0 | (0) | (100) |
* An older poll was used (i.e. no recent polls exist).
Details of the methods are given in the FAQ.
The most recent analysis in this match-up can be found from this page.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Yep, 0% chance of Gekko/Galt winning sounds right.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
But…but…BUT!!! THEY’RE ALL OVERSAMPLING DEMOCRAPTS!!!1
(Primal scream time)
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
But…but…BUT!!! THEY’RE ALL OVERSAMPLING DEMOCRAPTS!!!1
But…but…BUT!!! Maybe the samples are accurate.
But…but…BUT!!! Maybe the Rethug party is shrinking.
czechsaaz spews:
Honestly, of all the happy things that happened this week, and there were many, my favorite is the one that has to piss off conservatives more than any other. It was just a little smirk and so much truth. Devastating to the conservative psyche for the simplicity:
Globalrower spews:
It may be early to savor the schadenfreude, but it sure smells good!
RMONEY HAS A BAD WEAK :) spews:
RMONEY IS HAVING A BAD WEAK :)
MikeBoyScout spews:
Well, let’s not get too excited.
After all, Slick Willard is a very experienced executive with lots of business experience in turning things around.
No doubt he’ll take action with his under-performing staff to turn this thing around. Hell, he’s a turnaround expert.
Wait. What????
Yep, Slick Willard is a proven leader of Jack Shit.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
MikeBoyScout spews:
Remember the genius leadership move of Slick Willard selecting House Republican Leader, Paul Lyin’ Ryan from Wisconsin in the dead of night on a Friday and announcing him at the crack of dawn on a Saturday morning?
Surely with Lyin’ Ryan on the ticket Wisconsin is in play for Gekko/Galt?
NBC/Marist: Obama Leads Romney By 5 In Wisconsin
Ok, that’s no surprise. But it brings benefits.
“Tommy Thompson said Wednesday that Mitt Romney is dragging him down in his Senate race against Rep. Tammy Baldwin.”
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
This would be funny if it weren’t so, um, accurate.
SNL spoof on Fox and friends, including newly discovered film clips of Willard in various candid scenarios.
One of their punch lines, Willard singing in shower…
…is, I believe, something I’ve read verbatim over at SoundPolitics. Or was it our own Cap’n Crunch?
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Mitt’s campaign can be summed up with two words:
Cascade Failure
MikeBoyScout spews:
@9, We can’t depend upon Republicans to wake up and suddenly realize that their political philosophy and policies are demonstrably bankrupt and destructive to the American people and our American ideals.
We have an advantage at the moment because Romney has publicly aired his and his party’s principles of craven selfishness.
It is up to US to ensure we push this advantage to the limit and win; win BIG. Win the Senate races. Win the House races. Win the gubernatorial races. The county, city and school board races.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
wharfrat spews:
I’m not sure if I am a pessimistic cynic or a cynical pessimist. Rmoney has a good chance of pulling it off as we do not have a good handle on voter suppression efforts in swing states, especially Ohio. I don’t think that Obama will blow any debate to the extent that Mittens could but they could be factors. It will not take much to move the election one way or the other. Add to that our chances of losing a couple of Senate seats and we are in, at best, for two more years of stalemate. Worst I have to see all those happy face McMorris-Rodgers signs on the drive home. At least they aren’t pink.
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
Even the credits are good in this cartoon…
MikeBoyScout spews:
@12 wharfrat,
Stop worrying about how to classify your feelings and work harder for the win.
Knowing it ain’t over til it is over is simply being pragmatic. Knowing we need to finish this thing and knowing what is at stake I hope motivates you.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Ann Romney:
“This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country.”
It looks to me that Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how is telling him to hide behind his wife’s skirts.
Serial Conservative spews:
I have two questions about the Univision interviews:
1. Romney apparently called illegal aliens ‘illegal aliens’ when he was interviewed on Wednesday. Why no orchestrated outrage on the part of the Dems over this description?
2. Obama was hit pretty hard by the Univision interviewer. Harder than I’ve seen him hit by just about anyone other than Chris Wallace. What do people think about his responses and will he be hurt by them?
Serial Conservative spews:
According to Jay Carney it’s self-evident (to everyone but Lib Despair, that is) that Benghazi was a terrorist attack on the US. Obama’s still maintaining the spin that the movie had something to do with it but CBS reported yesterday that there was no protest before the attack, so Obama probably won’t be keeping that up for very long.
World’s Obama fever cools
But the latest TV images from abroad are far more ominous: mobs in the Muslim world besieging U.S. embassies, torching American flags and even burning Obama himself in effigy.
The two sets of images show a gap between aspirations and reality: A president who is popular overseas has not managed to radically transform America’s standing in the world through the illuminating force of his biography or personality.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s.....z277U9LYcy
As it becomes increasingly self-evident (to everyone but Lib Despair, that is) that Obama’s State Department permitted and in fact prescribed such lax security that a planned Al Queda attack on US soil on the anniversary of 9/11 resulted in the death of Americans, including one of our diplomats, Obama’s foreign policy status will take a serious hit.
I’m guessing that at least one of the debates will center on foreign policy.
And so it should.
No Time for Fascists spews:
@16
Illegal aliens = Why are you trying to instigate trouble?
I don’t know, maybe it’s because that’s what they are?
No Time for Fascists spews:
@15. Did you hear Queen Anne speak? The tone and inflection were very insightful. She sounded furious that “you people” were questioning her and mitt. The controlled rage. Talk about a sense of entitlement.
Serial Conservative spews:
You know, for a guy who supposedly is consolidating his Electoral College lead, shouldn’t he be doing so at the same time he’s consolidating his job approval?
“Obama’s approval rating is down to just 46 percent, down from a high of 52 percent after the Democratic National Convention. His disapproval rating, meanwhile, now stands at 48 percent, up from 42 percent after the DNC. Altogether, that’s a 12-point swing in two weeks.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com.....z277WAUxXH
Instead his approval is sinking significantly, and I don’t think Benghazi nor his comment that he can’t change Washington from the inside is going to help him much.
Iowa is Romney’s for the taking, CO and NV aren’t solid, and even WI is looking less than robustly in the Obama column. NH is pretty close to a tie.
I wish Romney were ahead rather than behind right now, but Romney could be doing far worse, and Obama should be doing far better.
I don’t even care that South Carolina is going to cast its electoral votes for Obama this year.
No Time for Fascists spews:
On the AM radio
On the THREE Conservative talk shows:
1) One was yammering that Social Security was a Welfare program so we should be able to cut it.
2) Obama is a bad person because he once talked to Bill Ayers, Rev Wright and…. LABOR UNIONS.
3) The host was whining that Facebook rejected his ad because it had the word “Hate” in it and people complained. He didn’t say it but he kept hinting that there should be a mechanism that made the company take his ad.
On the one lone Liberal talk show, they were talking about the mitt campaign being negative and the Obama campaign being positive.
No Time for Fascists spews:
I wish Romney were ahead rather than behind right now
You could help us, list 5 things Romney is planning to do,that will help the middle class.
YLB spews:
17 – How many people on Bush’s watch died at u.s. diplomatic missions?
I can think of almost 3000 people who died at non-diplomatic “mission” of sorts in NYC on Bush’s watch..
Why wasn’t didn’t that konservative better protect our people? Oh yeah he was too busy reading “my pet goat” after a month long vacation where he ignored yet another warning in a series of warnings about an impending terrorist attack.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Sept. 20: Obama’s Convention Bounce May Not Be Receding
By NATE SILVER @538
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Only thing missing was her stamping her feet in anger.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 23
1. GWB43 is not one of the candidates for president this year.
2. Why not just point out that we lost more guys at Pearl Harbor in 1941 than we lost last week in Benghazi, while you’re at it? Your willingness to pass off current mistakes because mistakes have been made previously does not erase the fact that last week’s attack was foreseeable and we could have had our guys properly protected. You don’t help yourself by comparing current unpreparedness to past unpreparedness, YLB. We’re supposed to learn from past mistakes, not repeat them.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Early voting starts today in Virginia.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
does not erase the fact that last week’s attack was foreseeable and we could have had our guys properly protected.
So what would have been proper protection against heavy machine guns, mortars, and RPGs?
Foreseeable attack? What specific actionable intelligence did Obama have presented to him?
Rael spews:
Conservative trolls:
Romney is doomed.
You know it.
Give up.
Michael spews:
@26
Checkout the list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L....._Americans
You seem to be claiming that Obama should be able to do what no other president has been able to do. That’s a pretty tall order.
And Btw, according to my morning paper the people who carried out the attack have already started to be arrested.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 28
So what would have been proper protection against heavy machine guns, mortars, and RPGs?
How about removing the ambassador for the period prior to and following 9/11? Egypt’s ambassador wasn’t in Egypt on that day.
Foreseeable attack? What specific actionable intelligence did Obama have presented to him?
Obama specifically? Dunno. Although since he wasn’t attending his Intel briefings maybe he didn’t know, either. I do know that Zawahiri released a video or other statement encouraging Libyans to attack Americans to avenge a drone strike. You know that as well, it’s been reported and not denied.
I also know that the same compound had been hit in June, and a British diplomatic convoy had been hit later in the summer.
We all know to be a little more vigilant around 9/11. We know that terrorists like anniversary dates. (The 3/11 strike was 911 days after 9/11/2001, for instance.)
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 30
Noted but off-point.
Stevens had virtually no protection. A British firm without bullets in their guns. The two ex-SEAL guys who died were in a different building than Stevens was in and therefore were not protecting him. They weren’t there to protect him and they didn’t die while trying to protect him.
I do not disagree that diplomacy sometimes is a dangerous profession. I do not believe that means that you provide your diplomats no real protection. Particularly if it’s 9/11 and they’re in a site that had been attacked only three months earlier.
You all seem to be working very hard to avoid dealing with the fact that our guy had virtually no protection on the one calendar date of the year that it would seem most obvious that protection might be needed, in a country upon which American forced dropped bombs only one year before, in a country that had murdered its own leader only one year before.
czechsaaz spews:
Shorter Warren/Brown debate
“I don’t think we should be subsidizing multi-national oil companies posting the largest profits in the history of the world with tax cuts that you voted for.”
“You’re not an Indian.”
“I will not be a vote to block jobs bills just because my party wants me to.”
“I don’t think you earned a job at Harvard.”
“I don’t think companies should be able to decide what medical conditions they won’t cover in their health plans.”
“I think you are overpaid at Harvard and that’s driving up tuition an our public universities.”
Serial Conservative spews:
Even shorter Warren/Brown debate, from noted liberal:
I thought Brown won narrowly.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....ebate.html
Rael spews:
Soon we’ll see Obama take time out from his own campaign to help key Democratic Senate & Congress candidates.
Rael spews:
… like Warren, for example …
Puddybud spews:
Obummer’s sadministration sends Susan Rice to lie on all the Sunday shows. Wednesday we learn they had intel saying 9/11 was going a bad day. Yesterday Jay Carneybarker farted this…
Yet earlier the same Carneybarker said this!
And this is so great from CBS News…
Because the slobbering libtard head up Obummer’s ASS media won’t purposely pursue the truth!
Rael spews:
Too soon to tell, but it’s starting to look like 2008 all over again.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Kornflake,
Stop yapping and start doing.
I get the impression you see yourself as not a moocher but a high income wealth creator.
Go give $10k to http://www.uso.org/ and do something.
I’d ask that you march in to a recruiter’s office, but I seem to remember that’s always been a sacrifice you were unwilling to make.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 38
I’d love an explanation of that comment.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 39
Wife and I made a 10-year commitment to a Land Trust organization to help them acquire a very large parcel to permanently protect. In addition to the food bank at her church and various medical and animal welfare entities, we’re good.
Thanks for the suggestion, tho.
Serial Conservative spews:
Reuters pointing out the obvious (to everyone but Lib Despair, that is):
The Libyan owners of the main villa rented by the diplomats was surprised at how little, beyond some barbed wire and security cameras, they added to the walled residential compound, on a quiet street where volatile militiamen were free to roam.
Most striking was the absence of a second line of defense inside the main gate on to the street; that left the few guards in the compound little chance of holding off a crowd once the gate, which showed no sign it had been forced, was swung open.
http://news.yahoo.com/libya-co.....41257.html
If you read carefully you’ll see that the eventual plan is to blame the dead guy.
Gotta protect Hillary’s chances in 2016, after all.
greg spews:
@20 President Obama 72% Romney 28% on the Intrade money market today. that makes 17 of 17 political money markets with cash on the line long on Mitt.
http://www.oddschecker.com/spe.....ion/winner
Michael spews:
@32
I think it was a huge screwup and I want to get to the bottom of why it happened and to see changes made and if applicable see people fired. What I don’t want to see is people running around like chickens with their heads cut off, screaming that it was an act of war, and calling for vengeance. You can’t do that first bit I want to see done while also doing that last bit. Right now the right is doing that last bit. They’ve made up shit, gotten the timeline of events wrong, called it an act of war, wanted to go in guns blazing.
You’re mistaking the pushback against the crazy shit and wanting a rational response for “working very hard to avoid dealing with the fact that our guy had virtually no protection.”
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 44
Go back a couple of days on HA and you’ll find Lib Despair maintaining it was the video and it wasn’t pre-planned.
Regarding:
wanted to go in guns blazing.
please tell me what you mean. I haven’t seen that at all in what I’ve read, if you mean establishing some sort of post-attack military presence.
Unless you are referring to a response during the attack itself, to which I would say that if we had guys actively being attacked, yeah, I’d want to go in and defend them rather than letting them die, as well.
Puddybud spews:
More than a couple of days… Lib da dunce been crying that horse manure for a week!
Puddybud spews:
Too soon to tell but it could be 2000 all over again. Carter had a much larger lead on Reagan before the debates.
mem1 spews:
@47,
Just keep sucking that shit spuddy.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 30
And Btw, according to my morning paper the people who carried out the attack have already started to be arrested.
You’ll excuse me if I don’t hold my breath waiting for the killers to be brought to justice:
Libyan Official: ‘We Don’t Have Enough Power’ To Catch US Ambassador’s Killers
WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — A Libyan official admitted they will most likely not be able to find the killers behind the deadly attack at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi last week.
Interior Ministry spokesman Izzedine Fezzen told CBS News that Libya just doesn’t have the “power” to find the attackers who killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.
“We don’t have enough power to catch them,” Fezzen said.
http://washington.cbslocal.com.....s-killers/
I don’t read the morning paper much, anymore. This is one good reason why.
Another reason:
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ distrust in the media hit a new high this year, with 60% saying they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. Distrust is up from the past few years, when Americans were already more negative about the media than they had been in years prior to 2004.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157.....-high.aspx
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
And Obama reads the Presidential Daily Briefing instead, which GW43 ignored.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
I can understand your feeling that way.
Look how long it took for GW43 to track down and kill OBL.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 50
And Obama reads the Presidential Daily Briefing instead, which GW43 ignored.
Obama reads his iPad daily. For all we know he’s on the PGA web site.
Events of the past week have shamed him into resuming his daily face-to-face intel briefing, which I assume will last until November 7th after which it will again be jettisoned, regardless of the election outcome.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
But don’t worry Bob, the post Retard Convention bounce should start bouncing any day now.
Too bad God’s Laughter took out the first day of the Retard Convention.
Serial Conservative spews:
And speaking of PGA, anyone hear that Team Obama is feeling the heat from the jokes the GOP is cracking about his (excessive) golfing, and is using a front to try to get them to stop?
Lobbyist close to White House behind effort of golfers to quell jokes about Obama
Published: 11:20 PM 09/20/2012
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09.....z2784GFcHi
czechsaaz spews:
@37
Piddles, your head is going to explode. You typed up more blather about the media not covering but you quoted CBS News.
So, CBS News isn’t the media? That 9 minute MSNBC clip I pointed you at isn’t the media?
BTW, that’s interesting spin by CBS. They said that the state department is required by law to investigate and provide a report to Congress within sixty days. Sixty days would be post election but there is nothing in the law that says the report can’t come early. I’ll agree with you all that this report probably won’t be early for political reasons but CBS certainly editorialized the last sentence of the report. Librul media indeed.
Puddybud spews:
Bwaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaa haaaa. This document sez otherwise on Obummer. Have the buttspigot play the relevant parts from a previous PuddyMissive on HA!
Puddybud spews:
Really ylbuttspigot? You forget Clinton and his gang never got terraists out after they overstayed their visas in 1999 and 2000. Oh yeah let’s forget that right buttspigot?
Puddybud spews:
Projecting agan checksez? A Psych 101 Thing?
Ummm nope they aren’t. They don’t give a fair shake to conservatives and admitted such earlier in the week. Puddy posted it. Contact the HA buttspigot!
MikeBoyScout spews:
Proposer of privatizing Social Security and turning Medicare into Vouchercare, Paul Lyin’ Ryan, the intellectual leader of the Republican Party and Slick Willard’s ‘popular choice’ as his VP nominee wowed them at the AARP convention today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....9c-j2AZPoM
At this point, Gekko/Galt better stop worrying about winning the election and start worrying about getting lynched by their “supporters”.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Serial Conservative spews:
OK I admit it.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey.....penis-joke
I’m going to miss her.
czechsaaz spews:
The world according to Puddy.
Any media that I think is insufficiently conservative is not media. I reserve the right to directly quote not media sources to back my worldview but remember, they are not real media. You must accept that not media are authoritative sources when the great Puddy quotes it or links to not media but in all other instances they at not media.
czechsaaz spews:
@60
You’ll get her for at least four more years, “Everybody knows that” since the media is in the tank. You might even get her for twelve.
MikeBoyScout spews:
To our pathetic yet prolific trolls:
I’m really going to enjoy your cognitive dissonance over the next 46 days.
Please, keep telling us how Gekko/Galt is going to win with hilarious analogies to Jimmy Carter (the grandfather of the man who put the nail in Slick Willard’s and the Republican party 2012 coffin) and snide remarks about the Obama/Biden family.
Reading you is like watching Sideshow Bob!
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Steve spews:
All this whining from internet wingnut warriors about embassy protection. Yeah, the wingnuts are great at embassy protection, no doubt.
Starting with the Reagan administration there’s the 1983 bombing in Beirut. You’d think a US intervention in the Lebanese civil war might have been a heads up, but not for Ronald Reagan. And it’s not like the history books tell us the that he responded by glassifying the sands of the Middle-East. No, he gave a speech in which he called a pro-Iranian group called the Islamic Jihad Organization, um, criminals.
“This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region.”
That’s telling them, Ron. But Reagan liked to do business with Iran, so maybe it was a business consideration.
Reagan, always good for lessons learned, moved the embassy to a supposedly secure location, where it was bombed again in 1984, killing twenty Lebanese and two American soldiers.
Yeah, such a record,
1986 Kuwait bombings
1987 Rome
1990 Embassy attack in Tel Aviv
2002 Consulate bombing in Karachi
2004 Tashkent bombing
2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Consulate attack
2006 Damascus, Syria
2007 Athens Embassy
2007 Vienna, Austria
2008 Belgrade, Serbia
2008 Istanbul, Turkey
2008 Embassy attack in Yemen
MikeBoyScout spews:
Cain says he’d be leading Obama if he were nominee
Romney can’t catch a break.
Gekko/Galt is the anvil
We are the HAMMER!
Hammer it home
Puddybud spews:
Whatacrock… Real media isn’t biased OR they say up front they are biased. MSNBC isn’t real media… just a bunch of leftist hacks. When everyone else was playing the Obummer Socialist video MSBNC claimed they couldn’t verify it was authentic even after Ben Da-LaBolt of Obummer reerction campaign said it was him!
What you libtards hate about Fox is they actually play the other side with peeps like Shepard Smith.
YLB spews:
blah, blah, blah… If your beloved empty-suit-in-chief was so “protective” of the American people why did he blow off the August 2001 pdb??
9/11 HAPPENED on your moron’s watch!
Puddybud spews:
Really Steve? Direct from the Internet!
Oct. 12, 2000 – A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.
Aug. 7, 1998 – Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
June 21, 1998 – Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
June 25, 1996 – A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.
Nov. 13, 1995 – A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training.
February 1993 – A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York’s World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.
Puddybud spews:
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YLB spews:
Heh. Yeah but he was in 2004.. Are you saying you didn’t vote for him because of 9/11??
Blah, blah, blah… The incumbent at that time wasn’t drummed out of office either…
Bob you’re a silly broken record on this one.
YLB spews:
[Deleted — see HA Comment Policy]
Puddybud spews:
[Deleted — see HA Comment Policy]
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
Cap’n Crunch, above:
Can’t win with you. You were braying about this the other day. If we express outrage, you get snarky, if there are other more important things to discuss, you try to distract with this.
You are a joke.
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
Translation:
OBAMA IS A KENYANSOCIALISTMOOSLIM TRAITOR SLEEPER AGENT PLANTED HERE YEARS AGO TO KILL KILL KILL THE US OF A!!!!
*eye roll*
Almost sad to see Cap’n Crunch swirling the drain like this, transparently shilling FoxNews fever dreams.
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
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Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
And had that happened, you, no doubt, would be braying about cowardice, and cutting and running.
Do you not realize that your incessant screeching about…
BENGHAZIIIIII!!!!! ACT OF WARRRRR!!!! OBAMA FAILEDDDDDDD!!!
…has NO credibility. No one takes you seriously, Cap’n.
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
@44
Indeed, Michael.
It has been said repeatedly by various sane people here that we don’t know what happened, we need to find out, and that information needs to be used to improve our diplomatic security.
Cap’n Crunch is all about creating a narrative that serves his political agenda, without discernable relationship to the truth.
It’s part of the reason I skip more than half his posts, and he has no credibility.
But apparently we make him think, or so he said.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
You’re going somewhere?
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
God, you’re insufferable. I have maintained all along that we need to investigate and get the facts, and that would take time. I also think the video was part of the story. I have quoted National Security people who have said publically that we have no intelligence that it was planned. That was several days ago – things could have changed.
But I never maintained the cartoon that you present as my position. You should get less comfortable with deceit.
Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
Jill Biden? Dr. Jill Biden? You mean after 2016, of course?
MikeBoyScout spews:
@78, a suicide note? Gekko/Galt mittastrophe pushed Kornflake over the edge. :,(
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Fox fires employees for not lying.
That is the other side you like so much?
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Five Thirty Eight Forecast
President Nov 6 Forecast
Obama 308.1 – Mitt the Twitt 229.9
President Nowcast
Obama 328.1 – Mitt the Twitt 209.9
Senate Nov 6 Forecast
Democrats 51.9 – Republicorp 48.1
Czechsaaz spews:
66, 82
Puddy. Google Joe Scarborough and see where he was employed before MSNBC. If you’re putting Shep Smith forward as an argument for something. I see you posting, but I don’t see a point.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Are we on the verge of another Goldwater landslide(TM)?
Not saying it is going to happen, but if it does, Mitt the Twitt deserves full credit.
dorky dorkman spews:
Puddy: Since you seem obsessed with the physical functions of the human body, let me riddle you this — What kind of drink do you think that Robert Maplethorpe would have concocted (no pun intended) with Disarrono and ice cubes?
No Time for Fascists spews:
Did anyone notice that….
When Zimmerman was being a domestic terrorist to Trayvon Martin, Serial “It’s fine to humiliate and degrade any stranger until they earn his respect” Conservative was saying be patient and “Don’t rush to judgment, let them do their job” and liberals were screaming, “YES, we want them to do their job! Find the right persons and punish them”
But when mobs in the Muslim world besiege U.S. embassies, now Serial “It’s fine to humiliate and degrade any stranger until they earn his respect” Conservative is rushing to judgement, condemning anyone who doesn’t want guns blazing, and liberals are still saying “YES, we want them to do their job! Find the right persons and punish them”
Michael spews:
Here’s a headline you don’t want to see referring to you guy when you’re trying to get someone elected:
Especially when you’re trying to get a Republican that’s signed an anti-porn pledge elected.
There was a link to it up on Google News.
Michael spews:
Off the top of my head, I’d say that Obama’s approval ratings are too low and there’s too much PAC money going against him for that.
Politically Incorrect spews:
@21,
Actually, the SCOTUS ruled back in the 1930s that the FICA witholding is a tax and the government is really under no obligation to pay-out those promised benefits.
Serial Conservative spews:
Romney’s taxes, including a summary of what he’s paid in previous years:
http://www.mittromney.com/blog.....-brad-malt
I wonder, if all the HA types think it’s in the bag for Obama now, if they care about this anymore.
Puddybud spews:
@86,
Confess you are headless lucy and drop all the pretenses with all your doppelgangers maybe Puddy will answer!
Until then see ya!
Puddybud spews:
Mitt released his 2011 tax returns… over $4 million to charity! Romney donated 30 percent of his income to charity! What will the head up Obummer’s ASS slobbering libtard media say?
Puddybud spews:
Wow Fascist@87 one has lost it. Take a drink moron! The world wide non head up Obummer’s ASS slobbering libtard msm called this a terrorist attack last week ya jackASS! Puddy provided active links. Lib da dunce wailed incorrectly like always saying Puddy was wrong. Well Puddy was prescient… spot on!
Of course you HA libtards living on Daily Kooks or Media Morons hasn’t lifted any of your IQs for the past 8 years!
Rael spews:
Why is Mittens donating to charity at all?
Doesn’t that encourage the culture of dependency also?
mem1 spews:
@93,
Wow, all that money and he still won’t pay you to suck the shit out of his ass.
How much shit have you sucked out of his ass for free by now?
Rael spews:
If Obama establishes enough of an insurmountable lead that he & the DNC can devote significant time & resources to the downticket races, we could see the Democrats retake the House.
It isn’t the most likely scenario, I admit, but
if Mittens has completely self destructed by early to mid-October it could be a game changer for the downticket races.
Puddybud spews:
Only for libtards who use it as an excuse to stay in the culture of dependency rael. Butt being a libtard moron you would never understand. One gives to charity because you are compelled by Jesus to do that!
Rael spews:
At this point in time, the return of Speaker Pelosi is much more likely than a Romney Presidency.
Rael spews:
… it’s not a gift if you’re compelled is it …
… or perhaps by the ghost Joseph Smith?
Puddybud spews:
Oh yeah, now the Harry So Stupid Reid had to change his attack now that Romney has paid over 13% Federal taxes every year for the last 20 years. And of course the liar Stephanie Cutter makes an ASS of herself again!
Puddybud spews:
To you and your moronic ways rael!
Puddybud spews:
100 militant attackers in two waves and they had inside information on the Benghazi consulate!
Sucks to be the Obummer sadministration!
Rael spews:
And to your habit of referring to yourself in the third person, Puddy! It makes you sound like Gollum – totally appropriate for a troll.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 103
100 militant attackers in two waves and they had inside information on the Benghazi consulate!
That’s a spontaneous protest the same way Bill Ayers was just a guy in Obama’s neighborhood in Chicago.
Just think…… they rousted that filmmaker out of bed at midnight on a Friday all for nothing.
Puddybud spews:
Puddy writes that way to the moronic leftists like you rael. To Steve I talk normally!
Sucks to be you moronic leftist!
Puddybud spews:
Romney’s tax return is here libtards.
Michael spews:
@91
CNN’s headline sums it up pretty well.
A one page note from your accountant isn’t a valid substitute for 10 years worth of tax filings. The way I see it the issue is that once again Romney’s saying he’s giving you this when he’s really giving you that, not the taxes.
Puddybud spews:
So PricewaterhouseCoopers are liars Michael just because CNN doesn’t like their report?
Serial Conservative spews:
Shakier and shakier.
Unless you’re Lib Despair, who’s got Obama’s back no matter how big the continuing lie appears to those of us not totally in the tank for The One.
Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative
by Eli Lake Sep 21, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
Sources say the attack on the Libyan ambassador was pre-meditated, with the possible collaboration of a Libyan politician. Eli Lake on the continuing collapse of the official U.S. line.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....ative.html
Puddybud spews:
Oh Noes…, Hilary Clinton calls Benghazi a terrorist attack. So what will UN Ambassador Susan Rice say now on Sunday shows?
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 108
Valid enough. Reid’s wrong, Romney paid lots of tax dollars each year, he donated more in a year than the Bidens would donate in half a millenium to charity.
And, yes, he’s rich.
Tell ya what. In exchange, we’ll settle for your side telling us Obama’s average GPA over his undergraduate years, in lieu of his college transcripts.
mem1 spews:
@111,
Just keep sucking that shit spuddy; someday Mormie will pay you for it.
mem1 spews:
@113,
Wow, with less than 2 months to go, Romney is losing according to every sane analysis out there, and all you have is the race baited garbage about Obama’s grades.
Romney won’t even match Obama on tax returns, but we need to know that a black guy got into Harvard honestly; yeah, nothing racist about that.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did you piss yourself when you saw the current election analysis on this site?
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 114
Actually, his grades hold very little interest.
Now, the Khalidi tape……………
That’s the Mother Lode.
Michael spews:
@112
1. I don’t have a “side” on this one Obama’s simply the lesser of evils and I think the Right are making up a lot of bullshit so I’m going after them. If the Right stopped making up bullshit, I’d stop going after them. If they’d run Jon Huntsman for president, I’d probably be voting Republican on that one.
2. Neither I or the CNN article mentions Harry Reid. Not sure why you’re bringing him up. Personally, I think Reid’s corrupt and useless. The issue is one of transparency and of doing exactly what everyone else running for office has done. Why should Romney get a pass?
3. What Joe Biden or anyone else, Romney included, has or hasn’t given to charity isn’t an issue here.
4. No one gives a shit about Romney being rich. What we give a shit about is the lack of transparency, this idea that Romney seems to have that the rules are different for him, and Romney’s habit of giving you this when he’s really giving you that.
5. Why should we have to make a bargain with Romney to get what everyone else gives freely and openly?
Puddybud spews:
Wow, a foul stench appeared @113!
Michael spews:
@112, 115
I’m a big fan of the Wikileaks folks. Open the fucking floodgates!
mem1 spews:
@117,
The stench you smell is the shit you were sucking out of Rmoney’s ass.
Now disclose just how much of his shit you have sucked this year!
Puddybud spews:
@119,
Such a fallacious comment. Non sequitur question from an idiot.
Carry on leftist idiot!
Puddybud spews:
Univision made Obummer look bad. Obummer went off on his tangents and danced danced danced! Will the slobbering libtard msm heads up Obummer’s ASS media report it straight up!
Remember Obummer had control of both houses before 2011.
mem1 spews:
@120,
You can duck the question all you want, but it won’t go any better for you than it does for Rmoney.
Now tell us how much shit you sucked out of Rmoney’s ass this year!
mem1 spews:
@121,
No, because he didn’t. You teabagging Rethuglicans abused the minority filibuster to block basically everything long before 2011.
The way Rmoney abuses you by getting you to suck the shit out of his ass without paying you.
Puddybud spews:
From Obummer’s Univision event official transcript
I mourned them for a nanosecond, then I went and partied with Jay-Z and Beyonce and visited David Letterman instead of going to the ex-Navy Seal funerals.
Puddybud spews:
Oh yes Obummer did. The NY Slimes disagrees with your sorry ASS!
Once again that Obummer shit is tasty isn’t it mem1?
mem1 spews:
@125,
No he didn’t , you lying shit sucker.
“SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.”
WOW, a whole 11 days of supermajority.
And don’t turn your shit sucking ways around on me.
Now tell us how much shit you sucked out of Rmoney’s ass!
Puddybud spews:
Whatadipshit this mem1 is. DUMMOCRAPT Harry Reid controls the senate, you dumb mofo! He controls the timeframes. So your
is a bald face lie ya moron!
FactLeft? Who are they? What are their credentials? Sucks to be so stupid! Obummer knew Al Frenken[stein] was going to be sworn in. Why wasn’t legislation ready to be voted upon? They had 59 votes and Reid controlled the senate floor.
Once again that Obummer shit is tasty isn’t it mem1?
Puddybud spews:
OWS made a last stand in NYC. Fraggy must be sad!
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
What!? You don’t want Obama’s Birth Certificate?
How refreshing.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
GoatBoy, please keep your disgusting personal habits to yourself.
Puddybud spews:
Soggyflake@130, soggy from goatjuice…
Try again… not what Puddy wrote!
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Awww look, Obama’s numbers moved up again.
Can you say “another Goldwater landslide”?
Five Thirty Eight Forecast
President Nov 6 Forecast
Obama 308.7 – Mitt the Twitt 229.3
President Nowcast
Obama 329.7 – Mitt the Twitt 208.3
Senate Nov 6 Forecast
Democrats 51.9 – Republicorp 48.1
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Poor, poor GoatBoy. Did I hurt your feelings?
Well, go play with your goat.
That will make you feel better.
Puddybud spews:
“No I Can’t” – Obummer’s new slogan!
OR
Why We Couldn’t” – Obummer’s new slogan!
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
@134
Don’t you wish GoatBoy. Mitt the Twitt is going down. And there is nothing you can do about it. Mitt is a looser just like you.
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Hey GoatBoy, even Fox News’ latest poll shows the Twitt going down.
New Fox News poll released Thursday shows Obama winning 3 key swing states
It sure sucks to be you, huh GoatBoy?
Puddybud spews:
No ekim butt how are those soggyflakes tasting…? Are they going down easy?
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Mitt the Twitt’s new slogan:
Goin’ Down… Goin’ Down… But not goin’ alone…
Can you say another Goldwater landslide?
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
@137
Poor GoatBoy, I did hurt your feelings.
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
At least he spelled non sequitur correctly. He still doesn’t know how to use it in a sentence.
Puddy, can we see your college grades?
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
Puddy, you’ve still never told me, would your Jesus approve of torture, to extract information from the bad guys who attacked in Benghazi?
On a related note, would your Jesus agree with your heroes Willard and Ayn about the poor being lazy and dependent?
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
WOW. Check this out.
Paul Ryan, speaking in a smarmier and more condescending manner than usual, is BOO’d loudly and repeatedly as he lied to the good seniors at the AARP convention.
BOO’d. Loudly. Wow.
meme1 spews:
@127
As always spuddy, you spend so much time sucking shit you can’t read what’s right in front of you.
Now go suck some more shit, with the shellacking Rmoney is getting he newds it.
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
Again, WOW.
I’m just catching up reading the days news after a busy day working…and I find that Willard has brought up the topic of his taxes.
W. T. F.
*snort*
What, 50 days left until the election, and he wants to redirect the conversation to HIS TAXES?!!
O. M. G.
After the last two disastrous weeks, HE WANTS TO TURN THE CONVERSATION TO HIS TAXES?!!!
I’m speechless…at the utter stupidity, the absolute political malpractice.
YEEE-HAH!
This is the guy the trolls want to be President?
GUFFAW!
He can’t even figure out who to fight, ’cause he just gave Harry Reid another opening to smack him around! Of course, the Obama campaign is now demanding 20 years of returns!
BWHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!
Puddybud spews:
For the last time Lib da dunce… A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it. Fallacious statement… Puddy doesn’t suck shit from anyone’s ASS; butt apparently to Lib da dunce does, so it that made perfect sense to Lib da dunce. Lib da dunce does swaps rimjobs with ekim! Well two goat lovers swinging together in da hayloft, who knows what happens in da barn. To Lib da dunce it’s another day in DUMMOCRAPTville.
So Puddy figgers Lib da dunce is a vacuuming type of guy. Puddy got Lib da dunce all wrong.
BTW Lib da dunce.. you haven’t told us how all those new ASSholes feel now that Obummer sadministration admitted the Benghazi consulate was a terraist attack?
Puddybud spews:
AARP…? Really Lib da dunce?
It’s a DUMMOCRAPT organization Lib da dunce… When GW Bush tried to float a 4% redirect of their Social Security payroll taxes into private accounts the AARP parroting the DUMMOCRAPT line. AARP honored Harry Belafonte, no friend to conservatives. AARP fought the Reagan and Bush tax cuts, parroting the DUMMOCRAPT line. Mrs Puddy and Puddy quit the AARP years ago due to their DUMMOCRAPT leanings. AARP CEO Barry Rand jockstraps Obummer, and he gave $8,900 to Obummer in 2008. CEO Rand gave $15,900 to DUMMOCRAPTS since 1995. No wonder why Paul Ryan was booed! Paid DUMMOCRAPT propaganda machine. Now their mailings hit da rectangular filing device unopened!
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
If it’s such a bastion of unreconstructed liberal thought, then why was your genius Paul Ryan there in the first place?
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
You seem to be using ‘non sequitur’ for any comment you disagree with. At least you’ve started spelling it correctly, after I showed you.
Perhaps you are teachable, in a limited way.
Puddybud spews:
One always walks into the enemy’s territory to discuss their folly and their wrong actions of the past. Sometimes it works, other times it fails.
Puddybud spews:
And… perhaps you are still an idiot, in the most grandiose way!
BTW Lib da dunce.. you haven’t told us how all those new ASSholes feel now that Obummer sadministration admitted the Benghazi consulate was a terraist attack? How is that flow-through ventilation working out for ya?
Cornflake, the conservative cereal spews:
Idiot: yes.
Grandiose: not so much.
Good try GoatBoy!
Michael spews:
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Here’s what that hippie-hugging liberal David Brooks had to say about Romney tonight. The bolding’s mine.
Michael spews:
Oops, bad editing on my part. The first bit is Mark Shields, the rest is David Brooks.
YLB spews:
Still looking pretty bad for Dullard…
How’s that ODS working out for you trolls???
Puddybud spews:
David Brooks – RINO! No wonder why you leftists love him!
Serial Conservative spews:
I was struck that David Brooks invoked Tom Clancy, who makes a good living writing novels.
Fiction novels.
And he was just talking about it with great passion. And I remember thinking, you can’t fake it. If you don’t feel that, you can’t write Tom Clancy novels.
Actually, isn’t Tom Clancy faking it every time he picks up a pen?
Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
@156
That’s the best you can do?