Political body counts

Yesterday, (u)SP’s Matt Rosenberg felt compelled to make the following comment about the tragic shootings on Capitol Hill:

Yes, the victims were of a group that often sported dyed hair, danced to electronica, and certainly in most instances were liberals, if they voted at all. Who cares?

The political persuasion of the victims hadn’t occurred to me at all, and it immediately struck me as odd that Matt felt the need to highlight — in his second paragraph — his assumption that the dyed-hair, electronica-dancing, bullet-ridden ravers were liberals. I’d intended to write on this myself, but wasn’t sure what to say.

Well, The Stranger’s Dan Savage knew exactly what to say, and he’s said it over on Slog:

It’s telling that while writing his post it consciously or subconsciously occurred to Matt that many of his readers would shrug and think, “Hey, some liberal voters and future liberal voters got shot and killed

Comments

  1. 1

    Daddy Love spews:

    1. Parenting, age, or gender had nothing whatever to do with the Capitol Hill tragedy.
    2. There are good and bad conservative parents just as there are good and bad liberal parents, and good and bad parents who are neither.

    I would question any Christians in the room about what their Savior might have mentioned in passing about judging.

  2. 2

    Puddybud spews:

    JustDumbBozo: Me the fool? Who was talking about voting, jackASS? You donks have issues with bad parenting. I was very refreshing to see a donk agree with momus. I commended you but being the DumbBozo you are, it went over your head! Trust me, it will never happen again!

    Conservative parenting is caring what your children are doing at all times while they are underage! For The Cluesless proved that he is a conservative parent. That’s all I said, dumbASS! Did those parents know where their daughters were at the wee hours in the morning? I truly doubt it. You are truly just dumb!

    JDB: Raca Baka.

  3. 3

    JDB spews:

    Wrong boy:

    Here is your problem and why you are such a fool.

    It is simply good parenting.

    Parenting doesn’t give a tinker’s cuss who you vote for.

  4. 4

    Puddybud spews:

    For The Clueless, If either son decides the military is their goal, I would talk to them but it’s their decision. That’s the problem with you FTC! You visit every topic with name calling of the worst manner!

    My brother and my wife’s sister did not stop their sons from joining the Navy. They felt a duty to their country. And no they are not brainwashed. Both served in the Iraqi theatre. Both are in college right now! GBS will get details of that when we meet!

  5. 5

    Puddybud spews:

    For the Clueless: As you see JDB agrees with momus. The reason I asked those questions of how you raise your children is due to what momus said. 14 & 15 year olds out that time of the night? Why? With adults? Why? You donks can’t condemn bad parenting. I was getting your good conservative parenting on the record!

  6. 6

    Puddybud spews:

    LeftTurn: Cum drunk? What’s your measurement method? How much cum does one need to drink to become cum drunk? Whom in the LeftTurn house was measured? You? Your “wife”? Your daughter? Did you use a pxrex cup? Triple beam balance? Hmmm…?

    Sorry I deliver cum, I do not absorb it like you and your friend Jim West!

    Regarding the sexual epithet I used. Let’s be clear here. You libruls only understand two words. Fuck you. I used that when drivel decided to attack my son. I’d place his IQ against drivel’s any day of the week.

    Drivel: Metaphor! I don’t touch donks. Contagious!

    Nuff Said, White Noise gang!

  7. 7

    JDB spews:

    I don’t have the time right now to read everything on this thread, but I had to jump in to defend momus on this case. When it comes to the 14 and 15 year olds, the problem is bad parenting.

    No, you don’t lock them up in the basement but (and dj, I’m sort of surprised at you) you don’t give your 14 year old a 3am curfew, and are not worried when she doesn’t come home. I have no problems with freshmen in high school going to an all ages dance. I would have no problems with my daughter doing that, but she damn well better be home by midnight, and she doesn’t go anywhere other than the dance.

    Momus is wrong when he tries to blame drugs or ravers for this tradegy, but he is spot on when he points out that bad parenting put two very young girls in a situation they should never have been in.

    Fairs fair. There are plenty of reason to blast momus. But he is right here.

  8. 10

    spews:

    Goldy @ 37

    I can’t argue with your analysis really, it was a strange comment to add, even if it was accurate.

    I think that the reaction to it though has pushed it over another line though, which is why i commented.

  9. 11

    Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:

    Two illegals, GBS and a Republican taxpayer all sat around and desided to vote on who should pay for lunch. The vote was 3 to 1 that the Republican should pay. The Republican decided to just leave. The illegals and GBS were very upset and decided that the Republican was mean and racist. [hehe]

  10. 12

    For the Clueless spews:

    BOZO @ 109

    Did I strike a nerve there, BOZO? What say you? Watts fathered two children out of wedlock and had the gall to moralize about Clinton?

    What do you say, Puddybud? Anything about sex before marriage? Or is it we love the sinner but hate the sin? Except when it’s a Democrat doing the sinning.

    When push came to shove, JC wasn’t going to rise in the party because he wouldn’t play very well to the base.

  11. 13

    For the Clueless spews:

    “I think he’s a token in the Republican Party,” says Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author, political commentator, and president of the Inglewood, California-based National Alliance for Positive Action. “When it comes to real decisions that are made within the Republican Party and Republican inner circles, I just don’t feel that J.C. Watts is a major player at the table. And I suspect that J.C. Watts probably came to that recognition himself.”

    Watts may have also hit a glass ceiling. Dick Armey (R-Texas),who has been Watts’ ally, announced plans to step down as House Majority Leader by the end of the year. House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas) will be Armey’s successor. DeLay and Watts, however, are not close. “With DeLay consolidating his control in the House, it was not going to be a comfortable place for J.C. Watts to be,” says David Bositis, senior research associate at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington, D.C. “There was no way that J.C. Watts was going to move up in leadership, which is what he was interested in doing,”

  12. 14

    LeftTurn spews:

    Don’t you just love listening to these cum-drunk cowards like Puddybud scream I love Jesus in one breath and fuck you in the next? Puddybud, does it hurt to be that stupid? I really want to know. And by the way, fuck you and Jesus!

  13. 15

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    IIRC, JC Watts wasn’t treated very well by the higher-ups in the Republican party. He was given a leadership position in the House and they kept him under wraps. He was a token. That’s why he left to “spend more time with his family”. To his credit he didn’t like being a token.
    Commentby For the Clueless— 3/29/06@ 9:19 am”

    Absolutely FALSE shitferbrains. The “keep ‘em poor” “Pimp of poverty” Jesse Jackson made it perfectly clear that REAL Blacks would destroy Watts & His family due to out of wedlock child while in college.
    Watts disliked Jackson and did call him a pimp of poverty.
    The LEFTIST PINHEADS then went out on a search & destroy mission to dig up whatever.
    Nice try once again at PURE FABRICATION clueless you dipshit!

  14. 16

    For the Clueless spews:

    Puddy @ 103

    IIRC, JC Watts wasn’t treated very well by the higher-ups in the Republican party. He was given a leadership position in the House and they kept him under wraps. He was a token. That’s why he left to “spend more time with his family”. To his credit he didn’t like being a token.

    Racism is everywhere Puddy, in every country. For some stupid reason, lighter-skinned people discriminate against darker-skinned. This is even true in the Black community here in this country! Hell, that’s what Spike Lee’s School Days was all about.

    And Puddy, are your kids signing up for military service? It’s strange that you prohibit them from sex before marriage but when it comes to serving their country when there’s a war going on is it “their decision”? That would seem sybil-like to me. C’mon there’s WMD in Iraq, oops now it’s a second front on the war on Terra. When all is said and done in Iraq, this country will be a trillion dollars in the hole over Iraq and Afghanistan – your kids and grandkids will have to pay for that.

    There no way, no how my kids are going to serve in the military while the political leadership espouses a doctrine of preemptive war or “lets got to war when we want to, not when we have to”.

  15. 17

    headless lucy spews:

    re 104: Conservatives: They need cheap labor servants to wipe their fat boil encrusted heinies.

  16. 18

    Drivel spews:

    LOL, and I thougt that the best thing that happened to Bill Russell was when his ass was canned by the Sonics!

  17. 20

    Drivel spews:

    Puddybud, more racist comments from you this morning mr “black noise’? Did you forget to ask for divine intervention for your feeble, all knowing, see nothing mind?

  18. 21

    Drivel spews:

    Actually I figured your two offspring were meeting the quota for ‘mindless trolls’ at Oral Roberts Univ.

  19. 22

    Drivel spews:

    Get your bible Puddybud, you are using bad, bad language. I am sure that is against your ‘gods’ views of an upright Christian.

  20. 23

    Puddybud spews:

    ASSHeads: When a black librul wakes up, leaves the librul reservation created by white libruls and becomes conservative; why are you sooooooo scared of him/her that you attack them with racial commentary? Why do black conservatives like Mike Steele, Ken Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Gary Franks, JC Watts, etc. scare you? Is it name recognition? These intelligent black people have name recognition and other blacks can identify with them? It is because if we leave you only have the illegal immigrants to support your position? Is it because you depended upon Jesse Jackson to deliver the black bloc, now BUPPIES are leaving in droves and this scares you? Why didn’t JFK have blacks in high places? Because deep down he’s a Boston librul and they hate blacks.

    Just ask retired Boston Celtics Dee Brown and Bill Russell about Boston libruls!!! Look up their stories on Google. Dee Brown was arrested driving while black in an upscale neighborhood with his white wife and Bill Russell said the best part about Boston was leaving there.

    From coast to coast along the I-90 corridor: white libruls; racists pigs!!!!!

  21. 25

    Puddybud spews:

    The reason white libruls want illegal immigrants is their voting demographics are showing more and more blacks going conservative and they need the illegal immigrant to keep their voting numbers. They know more and more whites are leaving them with the eat shit and bark at the moon Code Pink, MoveOn.Org tactics. They know more people are conservative leaning independents who truly look at child rearing like For the Clueless does.

    It’s libruls who are Sybils. You are conservative at home, but liberal everywhere else. A person of two mindsets is not successful.

  22. 28

    Puddybud spews:

    Donnageddon: You sure have a fetish with pink ASSes. More white noise from the dull knife of ASSes.

  23. 30

    Puddybud spews:

    Dribble and Horseless Looselips: Two ASSHoles of the same ilk. Probably from the same mutha! Librul racists supported by David Goldstein. Two ASSHoles promoted by David Goldstein.

    Seattle Times and Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporters: Now you see the real King Kounty Klowns – RACIST LIBRULS, the best Seattle gets.

  24. 31

    Drivel spews:

    Puddybyd, Wound up a little Puddy when someone tells it like it is? I see no difference in quotas and ‘white noise’. Get a life ‘black noise’.

  25. 32

    Kevin Carns spews:

    Puddybud thinks he’s above actually fighting wars, and his sons are too. He would fight like hell to pull strings so other men’s sons can die and fuel his macho, closeted, snuff, masturbatory fantasies while his own sons stay safe within the warm and slightly suspicious embrace of the Young Republicans.

    And how does Puddyud know his sons are virgins? If he’s ever left them alone with a priest or a Republican politician, the odds are definitely against it. If they’re old enough to date, does he sniff their fingers when they come home, or do a “home exam”? And why is being a virgin that a great quality in any case? Was puddybud a virgin when he married, or is he just a hypocrite like every other republican?

    Hey puddybud’s sons: If I could go back in time to talk to my teenage self, the one thing I’d say is “fuck more! Always be safe about it, but, Jesus, get plenty of ass while you can still get it up thirty times a day. Be honest and forthright with your potential partners (‘Hey, let’s fuck, whaddya say?’) but dude, keep your wick wet.”

    Note to all kids of republican control freaks who read this: Sex is fun. People who are different than you are often the most interesting. It’s OK to follow your own dreams, not those of your parents. Do you really just want to allow your parents to live vicariously through you while your soul shrivels and dies a bit more each day? Tell ‘em to fuck themselves.

  26. 33

    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud, Would Jesus tell young people to join the Army?

    The Navy?

    The Air Force Reserve?

    Would Jesus support the war in Iraq?

    PuddyBud, will you answer my questions?

  27. 34

    Puddybud spews:

    Hey, I am a Gentile. I admit it. Philistine? Naaah I’m part Greek remember? Oh that’s right you are a donk. No memory!

  28. 37

    Puddybud spews:

    Donnageddon: Ask Him, not me. Get on your knees and pray to Him. I DARE NOT put my words in as His words.

    Ahhh, I see you like my white noise line. More original thought! Nuff Said, The Prosecution Rests and White Noise! What saying can Donnageddon be remembered for…? NUTHIN’!

  29. 38

    Donnageddon spews:

    Would Jesus support tax breaks for the rich when there is a deficit that will be paid for by the next generations?

    WWJD?

  30. 39

    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud, would Jesus shake your hand, or slap it and denounce you as a philistine??

    WWJD?

  31. 41

    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud

    Where did I say Christ wants wants the Iraq war to continue? Citation, Bubbleboy.

    You are right, PuddyBud. My mistake. I ask you: What do you think Jesus would think about the Iraq War, PuddyBud?

    “White Noise!”

    Yes, PuddyBud. White Noise.

    WWJD?

  32. 43

    Puddybud spews:

    Don: Where did I say Christ wants wants the Iraq war to continue? Citation, Bubbleboy.

    Yes, donnageddon heap all that Jesus hatred on me. It’s okay. Let it go. Send it my way. You need psychiatric help donnageddon! Get it now. Stop the LSD. Stop the Speed! Stop Your Mental Masturbation.

    Regarding me making them “monsters”; they read what I write all the time and they read the ASSHead responses. One son has posted beknownst to me. They may have posted here unbeknownst to me when I travel. I just hope you didn’t spawn.

  33. 44

    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud’s sons will have full body Army and the most secure Humvees!

    I want to see pictures of your sons converting the Sunnis Shi’ites Kurds Arabs to Christianity! Preferrably Fundamentalist Christianity!!!

    Take video.

    Hypocrite bastard.

  34. 45

    Donnageddon spews:

    With The Most Sinful and High Hypocrit PuddyBud at the forefront, God will damn us all.

    You are the most effective evil person!

    I salute you PuddyBud!

    Will you want your sons coffins recognized by the media when they get killed, PuddyBud?

    Will you want Bush to talk to you?

    Will you have the balls to camp out in Crawford when he refuses to talk to you?

  35. 48

    Puddybud spews:

    Donnageddon: Delusional? Not at all. Talk to your children as adults! So if that’s delusional in donnageddon land, you are Stuck on Stupid. White Noise!

  36. 49

    Donnageddon spews:

    Your sons are joining Bush’s Army? Right, PuddyBud?

    We can expect nothing more than PuddyBud’s sons fighting in Iraq!!! The Sunnis Shi’ites Kurds Arabs will greet your sons with flowers and candies!!!

  37. 51

    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud

    My son has two great university acceptances for pre-law programs. What say you? Both sons are still virgins. What say you? Both sons don’t smoke. What say you? Both sons don’t drink. What say you? Both sons drive. They know the consequences of speeding. What say you?

    So fucking sad. So completely delusional.

    PuddyBud, your sons do things you have no idea of.

    And your example is making them Monsters.

    NeoCon Symps should never be allowed to a) have contact with. b) allowed near c) give advice to d) breathe air near

    children.

    Children are the future. NeoCons are a sad dangerous relic of the {soon to be} past.

  38. 52

    Donnageddon spews:

    More crazy delusional uber-fake-christian posts PuddyBud!

    Tell us all about how Christ wants us to continue the war in Iraq!

    And tell us when your sons will be in harms way!

  39. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    BellTowner, nothing you can ever write again about Republican racists will ever ERASE what dribble said in post #65. NOTHING! You can attack me all day and I’ll come back, but you don’t ever go after my child!

    The worst thing I ever said on children was against For the Clueless. I said I hope his children have his wife’s genes and personality!

    So fuck all you librul racists here on ASSes!

  40. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Why do libruls still measure people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character?

    Don’t worry Rujax. You are excused from answering.

    Drivel, that comment wasn’t white noise, it was downright racist! Thanks.

    Goldy you really attract the best WA librul racists has to offer. Great job!

    PacMan you are so right. You can’t change a leopard’s spots. I should have listened to you last week at lunch!

  41. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    Hey drivel: Fuck you. I take umbrage at that comment by … a librul. Nice racist comment by … a librul!

  42. 58

    Drivel spews:

    Puddybud @ 43….I say they must have needed to make their quota, nothing more nothing less

  43. 59

    RUFUS spews:

    @53

    To reiterate a previous post, unless you know something about these families that hasn’t been reported in the news, I don’t know why you assume the parents of the 14 year old from Milton and the 15 year old from Bellevue are liberals.

    Commentby Hayduke— 3/28/06@ 7:24 pm

    You have a point. Iam not buying that liberals dont care about their kids. Some of the more responsible ones even supply their kids with pot to make sure it not tainted. Liberals care.

  44. 61

    Drivel spews:

    Momus @ 9, Unlike your children that are the progency of brother and sister, most people do not need to stay home and help there kids answer every question in the book. Actually some kids have smarts of their own….unlike your inbred offspring.

  45. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If it turns out Huff was a rightwing militia nut who thought he was targeting “commies” — remember, Roger Rabbit predicted it first!

  46. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2

    “Poitics had nothing to do with thie tragedy, so Rosenberg is all wrong on this one. Commentby Libertarian— 3/28/06@ 3:57 pm”

    Betcha it did, in some way shape or form. Betcha this madman got his demented ideas from Ann Coulter or someone like her.

  47. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    3

    “If these two kids were being parented, they would be alive RIGHT NOW. Commentby momus— 3/28/06@ 3:57 pm”

    It occurs to me that if conservatives weren’t too stupid to figure out which country Osama bin Laden is from, a lot of Iraqi kids AND their parents might be alive RIGHT NOW.

  48. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    4

    “Have you proven yourself to be a failure … ?” Commentby momus— 3/28/06@ 4:02 pm

    Well, this one’s easy! By being a Republican trollfuck, you have prove yourself to be a failure as a human being.

  49. 66

    Hayduke spews:

    @53

    To reiterate a previous post, unless you know something about these families that hasn’t been reported in the news, I don’t know why you assume the parents of the 14 year old from Milton and the 15 year old from Bellevue are liberals.

  50. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “… it immediately struck me as odd that Matt felt the need to highlight … his assumption that the … ravers were liberals.”

    Yeah, well, Rosenberg is a little odd to begin with. Would have be more upset if Huff had, say, shot up a square dance at a Masonic Temple in Whitefish, Montana?

  51. 69

    For the Clueless spews:

    53 – First of all Puddy, liberal is spelled L I B E R A L. Just thought I’d point that out.

    As a parent my job is to keep my kids safe. My kids’ job is to explore the world so they can make their way in it when they’re grown. In the course of raising them, they may chafe at some of my restrictions. That is ok. At the same time, I’ll allow them some leeway to make some hopefully minor mistakes. If they can handle the responsibility, fine. If not then they’re not ready. Give and take.

    If I’m too strict, they may go nuts at 18 when I can’t do anything about it short of locking them in a cage. Then all my energies would be wasted.

    The answer to all three of your questions is no. I don’t really see what we’re debating here.

  52. 70

    Voter Advocate spews:

    Momus,

    You fucking asshole. Get a life and STFU, you low-life bastard.

    You are the worst offender in the attempt to make these young kids out to be druggies and losers, talk about blaming the victim.

    The problem here is a gun toting prick from Montana, who had a record of using his guns to shoot stuff up. Much like Alan Simpson, late Republican Senator from Wyoming, and his homie, Dick Cheney.

    That’s the problem in the USA, you right wing jerks, with your guns and your old lady attitude about sex and life. You’re a bigger yenta than my grandmother.

  53. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Oh my! It’s okay for DJ to jump to conclusions but “Mr. Thread Policeman” has a bull when someone our side jumps to a conclusion!

    I struck a DJ nerve! Are you divorced DJ? Another broken librul home like Goldy’s? Did the wife throw in the towel and give up on you with your bizarre political leanings? Did she get fed up with how you pollute collegiate minds in your “lectures”? Do tell DJ. The more you know…

  54. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    For The Clueless, Debate this: As a librul, will you allow your children to run the streets unsupervised at 14 & 15? As a librul, will you allow your children to smoke and drink at 14 & 15? As a librul, will you allow your children to lose their focus on their forthcoming adult life by hanging out with strange people at 14 & 15?

  55. 74

    dj spews:

    Puddybud @ 52

    You misunderstand. Here are the rules. I respond to requests to engage in discussion when I feel like it, with whom I feel like engaging. Usually, in such engagements I am expecting a discussion that is interesting, challenging, intellectually stimulating, or humurous. Alternatively, it could simply satisfy that little itch that makes troll-smacking enjoyable.

    Most of the time, Puddy, I don’t discuss shit with you because none of those first four conditions are met. Usually, I find your posts to be nonsensical, out of touch with reality, and not even worth the amusement value of reading. And I don’t usually make you a troll-smacking target because it makes me feel just a little bit like I am picking on a mentally retarded person.

    Sorry, Pud. I’d still be happy to have a beer with you, though!

  56. 75

    dj spews:

    Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 23

    “Plus, somebody just has to “do something”. C’mon… be bold… show some leadership.”

    Hey Redneck…C’mon…be bold…show some integrety. Pay Goldy the $100 you owe him.

    You admitted you had a bet and you admitted you lost the bet, but somehow you are not man enough to pay up. Fucking thief!

  57. 76

    Green Thumb spews:

    Goldy gets to the heart of the problem with much right-wing rhetoric – it displays a striking lack of basic humanity. Put people like this in power and you get a 21st Century version of the Nazi-driven Holocaust.

    Am I overreaching? Consider Mark the Redneck’s recent proposal:

    “There are 6 billion people in the world. 2 billion of them are muslim. That means that all the rest of need to pair up and kill one of them. When we all do that, the problem will be solved. And it really is like a cancer… you hafta get every trace of it… every cell, or it will come out of remission with a vengeance. This also solves the global population problem you guys are so worried about, so we kill two birds with one stone.”

    Commentby Mark The Redneck— 12/17/05@ 8:51 pm

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if MTR was reincarnated as a muslim during a time when a Hitler-like demagogue came to power in the U.S. and actually implemented MTR’s proposal?

  58. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    DJ you sure jumped to conclusions on that post#44. See my post #39.

    DJ are you a parent? I surely doubt it with your comments in this thread. I felt the loss as a parent. Why are libruls against curfews on their underage children? Parenting stops when you die DJ, not at 13 or 14! It’s the type of parenting that changes. Many of my friends say their children claim they are stupid at 18 later say their parents are geniuses at 30!

  59. 78

    dj spews:

    Puddybud @ 47

    “DJ you sure jumped to conclusions on that post#44.”

    So?

    “See my post #39.”

    No.

    “DJ are you a parent?”

    None of your fucking business!

  60. 80

    dj spews:

    momus @ 3

    “If these two kids were being parented, they would be alive RIGHT NOW.”

    So, Momus, are you locking your kids in a cage in the basement? I mean, if they go out and get hit by a car or a falling branch and die, it would make you an irresponsible parent, wouldn’t it?

    How often do you change their water and reline their cage, momus?

  61. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Speaking of libruls: It was the Democraps in the House of Representatives whom voted en masse to keep the bill for illegal immigrants a felony when Republicans wanted to make it a misdemeanor.

    So moonbats, you going to take back all the vitriol spewed from the ASSWing of Goldy’s Northwest Division of worthless ASSHeads?

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ ic/2006/3/26/110624.shtml?s=rss

    “King blamed Democrats for another explosive aspect of the bill – a measure that would ratchet up the crime of illegal immigration from misdemeanor to felony status.

    “There is a provision in the bill that makes it a felony to overstay your visa. But the reason for that is, 191 [House] Democrats voted to keep it that way.

    “Jim Sensenbrenner and I introduced an amendment on the House floor to make it a misdemeanor,” King explained. “And the Democrats – I assume for political reasons, so they could claim later on that we wanted call these people to be felons – they voted to keep it a felony.”

    King said that only 60 House Republicans voted with the nearly 200 Democrats to keep the felony provision. Just 20 Democrats voted with 165 Republicans to reduce the crime to misdemeanor status.”

    Now you understand why Goldy will never be a reporter. A good reporter investigates charges. A great reporter investigates and interviews BOTH sides!

  62. 82

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    Right, Puddy – the Democrats should be blamed for Bush’s blatant attempt at mining for GOP Latino voters. Pretty funny stuff.

    Back to the subject of the thread – DANGEROUS TEEN RAVERS AND THE LIBERALS WHO RAISE THEM! (more like dangerous suburban teen drivers whose parents buy them a car at age 16):

    According to AAA, a respected auto club, nearly two of every three people killed in crashes involving 15- to 17-year-old drivers are people other than the driver. It is a simple fact that teenagers have long been labeled the riskiest on the road. Now, AAA comes up with information that says new teen drivers involved in accidents have an impact far beyond their own families, more so than elderly drivers. James Champagne, chairman of the Governors’ Highway Safety Association, notes the safety of all members of the driving public is jeopardized unless the number of teen driver wrecks is reduced.

    Accidents from 1995 through 2004 involving drivers 15 to 17 killed 30,917 people. The grim statistic comes from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. About 64 percent of the deaths were passengers, people in other vehicles or pedestrians. Teen drivers killed occupants of other vehicles at a rate almost five times as high as elderly drivers and about three times as high as 45- to 49-year-old drivers.

    http://www.mlive.com/newsflash.....mibusiness

  63. 83

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    And how funny is it that Puddybud reads and cites Newsmax? Doesn’t Newsmax blame Batboy for criminalizing illegal aliens, Puddy? Maybe Newsmax was mixing up their “Aliens Land on White House Lawn” stories with the current attempt to create a guestworker program? Only a complete moron like Puddy would fall for that!

  64. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    LiberalRedneck: I enjoyed debating you last week. Now you understand why rujax is one of the three blind dull knife mice of ASSHeads. He too is an idiot savant.

  65. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    Rujax, your own side calls you an idiot! Doesn’t that make you feel wonderful? Ignorant and built to act that way!

    Now if you somewhat good libruls think the same of For the Clueless and Donnageddon, I may come back to the Democratic Party! Well…

  66. 87

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    momus sez:
    “fast forward to a past within the next week. Goldy says: I don’t make enough money!
    Hey shitbird, here’s an idea… STOP SPENDING ALL YOUR TIME ON A NON_PAYING WEBSITE, GET A JOB & STOP DRINKING
    Commentby momus— 3/28/06@ 4:14 pm”

    Now that’s cutting to the chase momus…..and an incredibly viable option for Goldy to consider. It probably never dawned on him. While I do appreciate all the time & effort Goldy spends pushing his political agenda and allow us a place to vent & hurl insults (HA is a great outlet for stress!), if doing this is hurting him financially or negatively impacting his relationship with his daughter, he ought to quit.

    I have grown to appreciate Goldy’s wit….and I certainly cannot say I’m at all confused about where he is coming from.

    Perhaps everyone would be wellserved to read Matt’s entire thread before jumping to conclusions rather than a couple excerpts. http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/005940.html Just a thought.

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    Goldy spews:

    Karl @12,

    Forgive me for reading between the lines, but I was raised by a Freudian psychoanalyst, so I have a tendency to look for meaning in one’s conscious and unconscious actions.

    The point is that Matt thought it necessary to even mention that the victims might be liberals. WTF? It’s a total non sequitur. It’s like postulating on their height, or what color shoes they might be wearing.

    So why did Matt make this observation? Because he not only assumed they were liberals, he assumed most of readers would assume they were liberals, and thus have less compassion for them. (A reaction, by the way, he clearly thinks would be wrong.)

    I’m assuming Matt knows his audience — and as Will @7 points out, he’s a very good writer — so I think it is fair to look for meaning in his choice of words. Clearly Matt believes a substantial segment of the (u)SP readership would have less compassion for brutally murdered liberals than for brutally murdered conservatives. And that’s sad.

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    Puddybud spews:

    LiberalRedneck: You and your librul friends are a dingleberries. The USA Today had the same information in the news December 2005. http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....usat_x.htm

    “The bill makes unlawful presence in the United States, currently a civil offense, a felony. An amendment to reduce the crime from a felony to a misdemeanor was defeated, with many Democrats voting against the proposal in protest over subjecting people who have overstayed their visas to any criminal charges.”

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    Puddybud spews:

    But Cynical and momus: When For the Clueless loses his daily debate he claims “ad hominem” attacks. Maybe FTC should leave if he can’t stand the heat!

    Regarding to libruls jumping to conclusions; that’s their modus operandi!

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    dj spews:

    momus @ 9

    “I am sick becuase I value my marriage, respect my wife, work hard for my family?”

    No…you are sick because you are full of hate and self-loathing. You are a fucked-up ex-druggie who, judging from your behavior here, regularly inflicts psychological damage on your wife and kids (if you don’t physically beat them).

    You would do your family the biggest favor by staying the fuck away from ‘em…ya fucking hate mongerer!

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    X-
    One of the reasons we need guns is because of kooks like you who can rationalize 14 and 15 year-old children drinking and drugging and partying with 32 year-old immature KLOWNS.
    My guess is there are more than a few parents out there who might come unhinged by 32 year-olds LURING young kids to party’s.
    You said you knew these ravers…………
    Why would they party with these young kids X??????
    It makes my skin crawl.
    Do they enjoy being considered “cool” and idolized by these little girls???

    Your attitude toward responsibility of adults toward little kids is reason enough for the 2nd Amendment. The framers of our Constitution probably never dreamed morality & responsibility could sink so low that it rationalizes that 2nd Amendment….or, maybe they did think of you and your pals.
    Grow up looooooooooooser ‘X’
    Adults partying with little kids….disgusting.

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    dj spews:

    Libertarian @ 11

    “The right does not have a monopoly on the “culture of hate” gig.”

    Ummm…one person does not a “culture” make. You are correct that there are hateful individuals at all corners of the political spectrum.

    The Wingnuts, however, have turned hatred into an entire (and widespread) culture.

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    Puddybud spews:

    LiberalRedneck: My son has two great university acceptances for pre-law programs. What say you? We conservatives pay attention to our children and their lives. What say you? Both sons are still virgins. What say you? Both sons don’t smoke. What say you? Both sons don’t drink. What say you? Both sons drive. They know the consequences of speeding. What say you?

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -Go play in the shit and piss with your soulmate rufus. You fuckers deserve each other. -

    Wow, rujax – you sure do bring a useful and informed position to the debate. Do you usually make a habit of shooting yourself in the foot right out of the gate?

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    chuck, classless oafs like you are just what the right is about right now. Way to be a human being, O respecter of life.
    Comment by Rujax206— 7/9/05 @ 11:05 am

    prr- rot in hell, you bastard.
    Comment by Rujax206— 7/9/05 @ 11:06 am

    Oh – I get it, rujax. These pointless grunts are all you’re capable of. Nevermind – I thought you were actually serious for a moment. My bad.

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    momus spews:

    BTW, X…

    The next time I am walking down broadway, please stop asking men for spare change.

    I have a qurater, but i am not giving it to you.

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    X spews:

    Momus> That’s cute… This coming from an adult who is cruising JR High Schools looking for dates.

    No, this is coming from someone that you hate, and who you are lying about. This is just what I expect from the right: lies. It’s all you have to go on.

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    Mark The Redneck spews:

    So who among you has the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? GD it, somebody needs to take the lead to make FUSeattle a gun free zone. Just do it. Ban the damn things and put an end to violence once and for all.

    The rest of us need to use you as a bad example, and I’m sure you’ll go willingly. I’ll bet an anti gun initiative would get 75%+ in FUSeattle. Go for it.

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    X spews:

    Listen, momus, if your eally do live in my neighborhood, let’s settle this in person. I’m serious.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -Unlike you losers attending drinking liberally, rather than going out drinking with jackasses such as yourselves on Tuesday, stay home to help my kids with their homework?-

    -That’s cute… This coming from an adult who is cruising JR High Schools looking for dates. -

    Gee, momus. If you exhibit the same kind of anger and rage at home as you do on this board….your kids may be better off if you WERE out drinking, rather than poisoning their minds at home.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -So who among you has the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? GD it, somebody needs to take the lead to make FUSeattle a gun free zone. -

    Sorry, MTR, the gun lobby passed legislation in the ’90s preventing WA state local governments from regulating guns. Can’t you get anything right?

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    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Fuck that… shit, just declare an “emergency”. Then the girlz can do whatever the fuck they want. Simple.

  83. 104

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Plus, somebody just has to “do something”. C’mon… be bold… show some leadership.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    I know you had limited respect for the rule of law, MTR, so I’ll spell it out for your ignorant ass one more time: Washington State law preempts local governments’ authority to regulate firearms.

    Since you’re kinda slow, I can repeat it one more time if you like.

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    LauraBushKilledAGuy spews:

    Well in the spirit of the righties, I can only hope these so-called liberal victims at least had right wing parents who will feel lots of pain.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    The GOP in WA preempted local governments’ ability to regulate firearms the same way the (former) “states rights” contingent of the federal GOP continues to make sure states can’t regulate firearms. It’s amazing how hypocritical conservatives became once they seized power, and immediately started bending over for a narrow special interest groups like the NRA. So much for holding onto core values, right MTR?

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    spews:

    The upside of Matt Rosenberg’s screed is that it’s very well written. When Stefan Sharkansky writes something incredibly stupid, it’s boring to read.

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    momus spews:

    Lets see…

    I am sick becuase I value my marriage, respect my wife, work hard for my family?

    Unlike you losers attending drinking liberally, rather than going out drinking with jackasses such as yourselves on Tuesday, stay home to help my kids with their homework?

    fast forward to a past within the next week. Goldy says: I don’t make enough money!

    Hey shitbird, here’s an idea… STOP SPENDING ALL YOUR TIME ON A NON_PAYING WEBSITE, GET A JOB & STOP DRINKING

  89. 112

    momus spews:

    X = “The right is a culture of hate”

    That’s cute… This coming from an adult who is cruising JR High Schools looking for dates.

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    Libertarian spews:

    X,

    The right does not have a monopoly on the “culture of hate” gig. That windbag in Colorado, Ward Churchill, said some pretty hateful things about the victims in the World Trade Center towers.

    Maybe everyone needs to engage their brains before shooting their mouths off.

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    spews:

    if you read his comment in contexthe is suggesting that it should not matter who and what they were, because their culture was not the issue we should focus on.

    I know you are disposed to hate Stefan and his cohorts, but at least focus on what they actually meahn, it gives you more credibility.

    I dont care if they were the presidents of the young repuplicans or one of GW’s kids.

    The fact is their murder was a horrible crime.

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    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -If these two kids were being parented, they would be alive RIGHT NOW. -

    Of course, the implicit social commentary psychos like momus and Discovery Institute types like Rosenberg are trying to make is: liberals don’t know how to raise their children.

    But – as usual – the stereotype these Talibangelists try to pin on “Seattle ravers” just isn’t true. Take a look at where the shooter and victims were from:

    Whitefish, MT
    Milton
    Bellevue
    Alaska
    NE Seattle
    Mt. Vernon
    Albany, NY

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    proud leftist spews:

    John Prine’s latest disk has a song called “Some Humans Aren’t Human.” That song rings in my head as I read comments from rightwingers concerning the victims of Saturday’s shooting. That these miserable fuckheads could speculate about the victims’ politics or criticize the parents of two of the victims shows how antihuman they are. In the saddest of ironies, they call themselves “pro-life.” They could care less about anyone’s life except for the unborn and, on occasion, those who might ally with them for their own selfish political purposes. Goldy, thanks for providing a forum for these fuckheads to post their bile so that we know what we’re up against.

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    momus spews:

    liberalredneck..

    NO_ONE has mentioned a political offiliation about the victims parents.

    All anyone has said is that they did a poor job of parenting.

    You appear to be the one connecting lousy parents (granted, I feel goldy is a piece of shit as a father figure) and liberals.

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    Libertarian spews:

    What possible bearing could these vcitims’ political ideologies have on their fate? These people weren’t shot because they were liberals or conservatives, or whatever. Poitics had nothing to do with thie tragedy, so Rosenberg is all wrong on this one.

  96. 119

    momus spews:

    It seems to me the ONLY critical thought by conservatives I have heard about these shootings is: WHAT were 14 and 15 year old girls doing at a party where drugs and alcohol were being consumed by people in the 20′s and 30′s?

    If these two kids were being parented, they would be alive RIGHT NOW.

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    momus spews:

    MOH…

    Apparently you do.

    Like Goldy are you creating a broken Home?

    Have you proven yourself to be a failure, both financially and as husband/father like him as well?

  98. 122

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    -“Hey, some liberal voters and future liberal voters got shot and killed—so fucking what?” That small aside in Matt’s larger post tells you almost everything you need to know about modern American conservatism.-

    It’s all you need to know about modern Talibangelist Christians, too.

    Momus is another good example of just how incredibly sick the conservative Christian crowd has become:

    -Have you proven yourself to be a failure, both financially and as husband/father like him as well? -

    With twisted “Christians” like momus (and 80% of the SP cult) around, who needs devil worshippers?

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    momus spews:

    So what’s your point Goldy?

    All conservatives think this is a good thing?

    let me formulate a reponse…

    Fuck You