Podcasting Liberally… with Ron Sims

As has long been the norm in Seattle, whenever a local elected official has a big-vision issue to promote, the first constituency he must sell it to are the ornery, partisan drunks. But since the county council wasn’t available last night, King County Executive Ron Sims dropped by Drinking Liberally instead, and eloquently pitched his vision of a re-imagined Seattle Center.

Ron worked the appreciative crowd with his personal mix of schmoozing, hugging, and bully pulpit thumping, and then set the standard for all savvy politicians by joining us for our weekly podcast… now available for your listening pleasure.

It’s not quite our usual freewheeling conversation — we stuck mostly to local issues — but neither is it your typical interview with an elected official… and I’m guessing Ron had a lot more fun (and a couple more drinks) then he usually has with KUOW’s Steve Scher.

Joining Ron last night was Molly, Gavin, Lynn, Will, and of course, me. And thanks once again to Gavin and Richard for producing the show; please check out their suffix and prefix-less podcast, Confab.


  1. 2

    GBS spews:

    How to catch a Conservative in the act of lying:

    Note the date/time stamps.


    108, Libertarian, I never attended flight school. Hence, I never “washed out”. All a figment of GBS’s vivid “imagination”. All my training was done in Newport, RI and Coronado, Ca, as well as the old Philadelphia Ship Yard. Then, three WESTPACs of 6 monthe each , one ten month IO cruise, and a tour in Coronado at the NAB. Four years at sea, and two ashore.

    Comment by Myron [JCH] Silverstein, ESQ— 2/24/06 @ 3:04 pm

    @ 123

    JCH: Are you saying GWB served in combat then? Just askin’
    Comment by windie — 1/24/06 @ 3:59 pm [No, but, Windie, have YOU ever “buckled up” in a Mach 2 F-106? Not for pussies. I washed out of Naval Air [bad GI] and served Surface Line [1110]. Flying [and training] in military jets are not for the Bill Clintons of the world.]
    Comment by JCH — 1/24/06 @ 4:37 pm

    @ 125

    DA WO

    Comment by YO — 1/24/06 @ 3:59 pm [YO, I’m sure you are correct and I was mistaken. Thanks for the help. Anyone who flies has my respect. I was not up to the stress. Not many are. JCH, LT, USN [1110, 76-84]]

    Comment by JCH — 1/24/06 @ 4:44 pm

    @ 152


    I served a short stint on the “mini-twat” USS Manitowoc County LST 1180. Hated the Marines, they seemed to have nothing to do but PT and wait in line for chow. The bastards.

    Comment by GBS — 1/24/06 @ 5:43 pm [True, but once ashore, they are the best. I couldn’t do what they do. Did you know Hillary said she tried to join the Marines? Roger Rabbit believes her!! He believes anyone who will ensure his “guvment” check comes every month.]

    Comment by JCH — 1/24/06 @ 6:10 pm

    @ 126

    The last little dig there is just to back up what I was saying all along, JCH admitted that the fucking Jar Heads were better than him.

    NO self respecting sailor makes a fucking statement like that.

  2. 4

    righton spews:

    sounds like libs love a big public works project. Sims zoning in on doing this to seattle center?

    i guess since he’s been so successfull w/ managing our other public works project….sound transit

  3. 5

    CAPS LOCK STUCK spews:



  4. 7

    ArtFart spews:

    I thing Ron made some good points about the Seattle Center, and it’s not a bad idea to look it more than just Key Arena. A great deal of public bile has no doubt been raised about how those blankety-blank Sonics are trying to extort more money from Seattle to further expand an arena that they aren’t going to fill anyway unless they win some games. The Center as a whole is pretty shabby, although the Key really ain’t bad now (at least you don’t need an umbrella inside) and we’ve spiffed up the Opera House a bit–not that it was such a bad room before. Meanwhile, the surrounding neighborhood has re-invented itself several times over since 1962.

    At the same time, people in these parts don’t like something too big and costly shoved at them at once, and the Disney episode referenced above demonstrated the risk of “not invented here” syndrome. There’s no reason it has to be done all at once, and it would be nice not to throw out all the baby with the bathwater. I’ll bet some of those groups that rent the northwest meeting rooms have real merit, just not a lot of money. Proposing the transformation of that corner into “Convention Center 2″ would leave the question of where those folks would go, not to mention the inevitable political collision with the downtown proponents of Convention Center 1.

    Tear down the Space Needle? ARRGH! I wonder if every so often there’s a debate over whether it’s time to do away with Mr. Eiffel’s creation. I might direct your attention to the recent re-dedication of the spruced-up Atomium in Brussels. Where else are all those tourists going to go to take in the great vista of our city…unless we’re going to admit the general public to the Columbia Tower Club’s restrooms.

    I still don’t think we should drop any more public money on the Sonics until Howard fires Wally.

  5. 8

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Donnageddon@52 Is Cyn-Ir gonna have transient vitiligo-albinism like some of his “troll-brothers” Seems some of our trolls can’t keep their race straight,

  6. 9

    Donnageddon spews:

    I am so glad you pointed out that the same poll that shows Bush is hated by Americans, also shows that most Americans are Democrats.


  7. 10

    Donnageddon spews:

    MAtters not, Mr Cyn-Ir, a random poll shows that most people identify as Democrat, and hate Bush and every thing he does.

    Throwing out Democratic responses because you think they are over represented in the American population only shows that you are a NeoCon zombie.

  8. 11

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Is your source of “registered’s” a guest editorial in USA Today??
    I’m sure that’s totally reliable!

  9. 12

    Donnageddon spews:

    Jeeze, Mr. Cyn-Ir, DA WO and JCH seem to follow you like flies on shit!

    You must be proud!

  10. 13

    Donnageddon spews:

    And given the disgraceful state of the Republican party in the hands of NeoCons, the amount of those who identify as Democrat just gets larger.

  11. 16

    Aexia spews:

    @22: Just tell me what you want the outcome to be and a poll can be designed to create that outcome. It’s all about the assumptions, polling criteria and HOW the questions are asked.
    CBS is supposed to be a pillar of fairness.
    Interesting polling sample criteria, isn’t it.

    Let’s look at voter registration numbers then.

    2000 estimates (most recent I could find)
    204 million eligible voters
    63 million registered Democrats
    47 million registered Republicans
    32 million registered as independents or with minor party
    62 million not registered

    So, nationally in 2000, Democrats comprised 44.4% of registered voters while they only comprise 37.4% of CBS polling sample.

    I suppose you could chalk up the difference to 9/11 but traditionally, there have always been more self-identified Democrats than Republicans.

  12. 17

    Donnageddon spews:

    The fact remains that in a random poll we find that suppoort for Bush and everything he touches is abysmally low.

  13. 18

    Donnageddon spews:

    What Mr. Cyn-Ir doesn’t realize is that the larger number of people who self describe themselves as Democrats is due just to the fact that more and more people identify themselves as democrats. Few people today have such self loathing as to identify themselves as Republickfuckers.

    Mr. Cyn-Ir would rather they throw out democratic responses in the poll, and count all the idiots who describe themselves as republicans.

    That would be the Republican way to poll.

  14. 19

    Dr. E spews:

    “In its classic “fair and balanced” tradition CBS slanted in favor of Democrats ”

    Can we then eagerly await your endorsement of the return of the Fairness Doctrine?

  15. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bush is right down there in the gutter with slimeball private investigators who dig for dirt in messy Hollywood divorce cases. Birds of a feather …

  16. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    The headmaster of a South Dakota Christian school says of the school’s most famous former student, “We don’t want to have anything to do with her … Michelle doesn’t represent the values of this institution. We would not approve of her movies and TV shows … I hope we offered her something in life. But she made the kinds of choices of which we wouldn’t approve.”

    The former student’s offense? Getting nominated for an Oscar for her role in “Brokeback Mountain.”

    Says the headmaster: “‘Brokeback Mountain’ basically promotes a lifestyle we don’t promote. It’s not the word of God.”

    Hey — dude — it’s only a movie–you know, she was only acting.

  17. 29

    headless lucy spews:

    Octo[JCH]poise’e’! How are ye?

    Did you soil your pants, at the dance?

    Was the rorograveure just too much for your tiny grayspace?

    Do you need a pacemak…..


    Did you colonize some curly fries?

    And spank your monkey wearing your grandmother’s undies?

    Oh! I think you did all these things

    with glee, aforethought and some Noilly-Prat!!!!!

  18. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    … well fuck you. If you want to live under a system where only rich people can vote, there’s any number of African dictatorships that will accomodate you.

  19. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “1162 votes from Democrats all using the King County Municipal Building as their home of record”

    Perfectly legal and appropriate. Yes, I know you goopers don’t want homeless people to vote. You don’t want black people to vote either, or Jews, or working-class folks …

  20. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Hey Cynical, I have an idea — why don’t you conduct your own poll?

    1. Paint “I Love Bush” on both sides of a sandwich board.
    2. Stand in street wearing sandwich board.
    3. Count percentage of cars that swerve to miss you.

  21. 34

    headless lucy spews:

    Another aide of Conyer’s wrote letters to the FBI, the CIA and the Maury Povich Show alleging that these two former waitress/prostitutes who worked at a Dunkin’ Donuts in the Chicago “Tenderloin” District were upset that Conyers actually had not hired them to work in his office , but they had instead been hired by a Republican “trojan horse” who was subsequently fired.

    You can read it all on the Drudge Report.

  22. 35

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    Every vote must count, including the 1162 votes from Democrats all using the King County Municipal Building as their home of record!!!

  23. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “does anybody think that GWB will pull Osama bin Laden out of his ass”

    Why would Bush do that? Osama is Bush’s most valuable political ally. Without Osama, Bush has no excuse for imposing a rightwing dictatorship on the U.S.

  24. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    19 (continued)

    “does anybody think that GWB will pull Osama bin Laden out of his ass”

    If he did, it would look mighty suspicious. Nah, I think if he does it at all, he’ll do it 1 week before the election.

  25. 39

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    Fellow Republicans: Why not register and vote Republican a dozen times in different WASH counties using the name “Leroy LaDamion Jackson”? Vote by mail a dozen times using a King County Government Bluilding as the address. NO ONE will question anything, as the Dems will defend multiple voting by minorities as “Any questions are RACIST!!!” Beat the libs at their own game!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. 40

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    When it comes to polling, the devil is in the detail:
    In its classic “fair and balanced” tradition, CBS slanted in favor of Democrats its poll that found Bush has a 34 percent approval rating and a 59 percent disapproval rating, an all-time high for a CBS poll.

    On the bottom of the PDF version of the poll (page 18) it says how many Democrats versus Republicans were contacted.

    “Total Republicans” contacted: 272 unweighted and 289 weighted.

    “Total Democrats” contacted: 409 unweighted and 381 weighted.

    “Total Independents” contacted: 337 unweighted and 348 weighted.

    Brent Baker also noted how CBS failed to highlight a key portion of its poll on the Feb. 27 “CBS Evening News.” 66 percent of respondents thought the media devoted “too much time” to Cheney’s hunting accident.

    I have little faith in any polls these days….
    Just tell me what you want the outcome to be and a poll can be designed to create that outcome. It’s all about the assumptions, polling criteria and HOW the questions are asked.
    CBS is supposed to be a pillar of fairness.
    Interesting polling sample criteria, isn’t it.

  27. 41

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    It’s 1040 time, and I need to follow VP Gore’s charitable contributions. He is a real leader! In addition, and in the Hillary Clinton spirit, how does one deduct “used underwear”?

  28. 43

    headless lucy spews:

    Speaking of stunts, does anybody think that GWB will pull Osama bin Laden out of his ass while he’s in India? Sure would plump those sagging ratings!

  29. 44

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    Two former aides to Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) have alleged that he repeatedly violated House ethics rules.

    Deanna Maher, a former deputy chief of staff in Conyers’s Detroit office, and Sydney Rooks, a former legal counsel in the district office, provided evidence for the allegations by sharing numerous letters, memorandums and copies of e-mails, handwritten notes and expense reports with The Hill.

    In letters sent separately by each woman to the House ethics committee, the FBI and the U.S. attorney’s office, they allege that Conyers demanded that aides work on several local and state campaigns and forced them to baby-sit and chauffeur his children. They also charge that some aides illegally used Conyers’s congressional offices to enrich themselves. [As John Conyers is a black Democrat, no one on this board will address this subject again!! I think it is clear that Bush made John break the law; therefore, it is Bush’s fault!]

  30. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “JCH … seems to have driven off all the conservatives from this site who refuse to be associated with him.”

    I think it’s more likely that Kevin Carnes quit using the screen names Goldy tracked to him.

  31. 46

    vancouversucks spews:

    Vance’s asshole is far too insignificant to earn the status of sphincter of crap…

  32. 47

    Scott spews:

    Have you ever noticed how it’s Ron Simms or the council’s vision and how they work to keep from having to bring that to the voters who actually know what bullshit smells like?

  33. 48


    Gee and I thought Chris Vance’s Asshole and Mr. Cynical were the same guy.

    BTW-anybody ever seen them in the same room?…HHHMMMMMM…..

  34. 49


    Hey Chris Vance’s Asshole…

    Republicans are going to jail in New hampshire for dirty tricks during the election. Too bad you’re not one of THEM…or ARE you???????

  35. 50

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Many thanks to Ron Sims for “pinch-hitting” for me last night. You certainly hit a home-run in finding the King of KLOWNS, the Sultan of Corruption, the Prince of Bullshit!
    Tell me, is Ron a mean drunk….or just a sloppy one?

  36. 51

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    5,Add in Broward County, FL, and the Upper East Side NYC/Miami, Palm Beach “double” voters. [Remember how Hillary ended up with 99% Democrat turnout in the Hasidic Jewish NY community? Are we allowed to talk about that? Well, libs, too fucking bad!!!] [hehe] Gee, Goldy, I bet you have a few relatives who double voted in these “politically correct ACLU” communities.

  37. 52

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    6.Go to Lucianne.com for the facts. HA is a few liberal Democrat loser socialists kissing each other’s ass.

  38. 53

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    Bring out the ID cards and Police Dogs to ALL votings polls!! No ID, meet Mr. Police Dog!!!! [I’m sure the Police dog is racist!!]

  39. 56

    Nindid spews:

    What really cracks me up here is not JCH using his paranoid racist fantasies to try and refute facts – but that he seems to have driven off all the conservatives from this site who refuse to be associated with him.

  40. 57

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    4, RR, Garbage! The entire nation laughs at King County. And Philly, and Gary, and East St. Louis, and Detroit, and Milwaukee and Chicago. [Thank God for the Electorial College, or all these black Democrat areas would steal all the national elections as well.] All PROVEN havens of Democrat voter fraud!

  41. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    re: 3

    You can say that again! To prevent the GOP liars from misleading anyone, here once again are the FACTS about King County’s military/overseas ballots:

    1. King County mailed ALL military ballots on or before the federal deadline of October 8, which was 3 1/2 weeks before the election.
    2. If this wasn’t enough time for some voters, the fault lies with timing of the primary, not King County Elections, because the ballots couldn’t be printed until the September primary returns were counted and certified.
    3. Efforts by Democratic legislators in the 2005 legislative sessions to move the primary to an earlier date were defeated by Republicans.
    4. Of 15,829 military/overseas ballots issued, 12,694 were returned.
    5. In addition, 1,342 Federal Write In Ballots were received.
    6. The military/overseas turnout was nearly identical to the civilian turnout (81.7% vs. 82.9%).
    7. Of the regular military/overseas ballots received, all but 220 were counted, and of these, only 16 weren’t counted because they were received too late.
    8. 1,031 of the Federal Write In Ballots were validated and counted.
    9. Total number of disqualified military/overseas ballots: 550
    10. Because King County doesn’t differentiate between military and civilian overseas ballots, it is possible that NONE of the 16 late ballots were military.

    See http://www.metrokc.gov/electio....._01_05.htm

  42. 60

    Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

    Count every vote, [some twice!], but never count overseas military Republican votes!