Podcasting Liberally, alt-weekly navel-gazing edition

It was a night of media navel gazing as former Seattle Weekly writer Geov Parrish and former Stranger writer Sandeep Kaushik joined us to ponder the fate of the post-purge Weekly in Seattle’s tech-savvy, blog-heavy media market. Oh yeah… me , Will, Carl and Mollie also chimed in from time to time, and just for good measure we also talked a little politics, including al-Qaeda’s stunning victory in last week’s Connecticut Democratic senate primary.

The show is 50:12, and is available here as a 34.6 MB MP3. Please visit PodcastingLiberally.com for complete archives and RSS feeds.

[Recorded live at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. Special thanks to Confab creators Gavin and Richard for producing the show.]


  1. 1

    klake spews:

    This is why Goldy you should sent your daughter to the Eastside for an education. This is why our soldiers distrust this country media and many of its leaders. They all work on supporting those who hate this country, or just to maintain their power and status in their country. I ran into this problem in the Middle East in the 1960’s and including today when communicating about this subject matter.
    “Our conversation came to a close when the next shift came to relieve me from my post. I know neither one of us was satisfied and were probably equally dissatisfied with each other. As I walked away I wanted to excuse him for his ignorance because of the piss poor education in Iraq. I wanted to blame Al Jazeera for the propaganda they show each day on TV. I wanted to blame everyone but the soldiers but at last I realized that the real fault lies with them. Until they learn to seek the truth instead of blindly hating Jewish people they will never understand why I could possibly support “baby killers” and “trash.””

  2. 2

    klake spews:

    Then make statements, like the one about Hezbollah, that prove how clueless one can be.
    Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/16/06@ 12:50 pm
    Harry you are not as dumb as some of your friends, but this knowledge is being use today by this country in the war on terror. The tactics was use at the beginning of the War and is being used today. The only thing is when the enemies emerge from their rat holes they have to defend themselves from those large armies in order to win the War. Today we are taking the War to the using the same tactics with our special forces.


    Holed up in the Ain il-Hilweh refugee camp in south Lebanon, ‘Colonel’ Mounir Maqdah is harnessing the power of Information Technology to grow a networked organisation to extend his strike capabilities beyond all borders. The embracing of IT by small groups to create global networks of communication and coordination points to a new facet of warfare.
    Maqdah is using a website, e-mail and cellular telephone to share information, procure and channel funding, and coordinate and command the launching of attacks. Technology is revolutionising his armed struggle.
    That armed struggle has to date made him a wanted man. In 2000 Maqdah was sentenced to death in absentia in Jordan on charges of providing military training to a group of Osama bin Laden’s followers who planned attacks on American and Israeli targets in the Kingdom. The Israelis believe Maqdah is responsible for directing and financing a number of suicide bombings carried out by the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade inside Israel.
    Despite being soft-spoken, he is a man of fierce determination and uncompromising views. He believes that what he calls “resistance, jihad and martyrdom” is the only way to liberate Palestine, destroy Israel and to fight any possible American-led war against Iraq. The networked organisation he is developing is a means by which he will attempt to achieve these ends.
    Maqdah is a bullet-scarred, die-hard guerrilla fighter: a practiced exponent of asymmetric war. For this reason, he is using IT tools to offset his disadvantages and increase his capabilities to strike big against his conventionally more-powerful enemy.

  3. 3

    Rujax! spews:


    You are a clueless FREAK.

    What “socialism”?

    What about a response to the incredible greed and wanton disregard for the people who…according to this goofy democratic capitalistic system we have here..actually DO the work, MAKE the wages, SPEND money on goods and services by the corporations and what is now a ruling oligarchy.

    I can’t (and frankly won’t spend the time) to figure out what you write about most of the time. You just don’t make ANY fucking sense. EVER.

    Leiberman lost because he was NO LONGER IN TOUCH WITH THE VOTERS OF CONNECTICUT. Not some “far far left” whatever.

    There is a populist revolution brewing here. Real, regular people feel like they are left out of the governing process. You’re gonna see a “sea change” in (the other) Washington because of the DOCUMENTED lies and malfeasence of this immoral and corrupt administration.

    So take your fucking dumbshit drivel and pedddle it elsewhere “old chap”. Fucking moron. “Scoop Jackson Democrat” my ass. Jackson’s little protege’s are who got us into this fucking mess. And you sir are the classic example of an uninformed, puerile idiot.

  4. 5

    proud leftist spews:

    Dick Cheney’s comments following Ned Lamont’s victory, in which he characterized that victory as a victory for Al-Qaeda, highlight the disregard of the far right in this country for democracy. His comments also demonstrate the Bush Administration’s inability to ever act with statesmanship. Indeed, how did Cheney hope to advance this nation’s interests by making such comments? He did not, of course, make the comments in the national interest, but solely out of sour grapes and a juvenile urge to push his narrow (fringe) partisan interest. A statesman would have simply congratulated Lamont. Cheney is incapable of acting in such a mature manner. A solid majority of Americans recognize that Iraq was a mistake and we need to get out. Those who continue to support the Administration in Iraq by calling Lamont’s victory a victory of the far left live in a world unhinged from reality.

  5. 6

    ArtFart spews:

    Ah, the eastside, what a paradise, where $2,995,000 will buy you a lovely new 5,000 square foot McMansion just a convenient 75 feet from the traffic roaring by on 140th.

  6. 7

    klake spews:

    Goldy and Gang I’m sure you all support the New York Time and believe everything they print, but read what one of my fellow solders has to say about the subject. But then some of you folks due support the many enemies of this country and will do anything to support their cause. How is the Socialist Democrat Party doing today in supporting Hezbollah’s style of warfare?
    Mr. Keller,
    What ceases to amaze me about your paper is the lengths you are willing to go to make headlines and sell papers. Who cares if those headlines help the enemies of America, you guys are making money and that is what it is all about in the end right?
    Your recent decision to publish information about a classified program intended to track the banking transactions of possible terrorists is not only detrimental to America but also to its fighting men and women overseas. I know because I am a sergeant in the army on my second tour to Iraq. As I am sure you don’t know because you aren’t in Iraq, and I am sure never will be, terrorism happens here everyday because there are rich men out there willing to support the everyday terrorist who plants bombs and shoots soldiers just to make a living. Without money terrorism in Iraq would die because there would no longer be supplies for IEDs, no mortars or RPGs, and no motivation for people to abandon regular work in hopes of striking it rich after killing a soldier.
    Throughout your article you mention that, “the banking program is a closely held secret,” but the cat is out of the bag now isn’t it. Terrorists the world over can now change their practices because of your article. For some reason I think that last sentence will bring you guys pleasure. You have done something great in your own eyes-you think you have hurt the current administration while at the same time encouraging “freedom fighters” resisting the imperialism of the United States. However, I foresee a backlash coming your way. I wish I had a subscription to your paper so I could cancel it as soon as possible. But alas, that would prove a little tough right now since I am in Iraq dealing with terrorists financed by the very men you are helping.
    Thank you for continually contributing to the deaths of my fellow soldiers. You guys definitely provide a valuable service with your paper. Why without you how would terrorists stay one step ahead of us? I would love to hear a response as to why you deemed revealing this program a necessity, but that will probably come as soon as the government decides to finally put you guys behind bars where you belong.
    Tim Boggs

  7. 9

    klake spews:

    Don’t tell Goldy to move to eastside. We don’t want that kind of shit over here… He’s fine right where he is in the librul utopia of seattle… He and his ilk can wallow in the mess over there and try to tax themselves into prosperity.

    Commentby Mark The Redneck— 8/16/06@ 2:17 pm

    Mark he would not move even if the state took his daughter away from him for being a Democrat. They the liberals have too many fears to move away from a failing system. Life would be too hard and unstable for them to survive. That’s why they defend loosing causes when the solution is right under their nose.

  8. 10

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Leftist – Tell me… do you prefer fat chicks because they have nice personalities, or because you can’t afford one under 200 pounds?

  9. 11

    Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    For the Clueless, Black polling stations routinely vote Democrat at 115% of registration. Any and all questions about voter fraud are considered “racist”. You libs are classic, and frankly, MORE dangerous than Iran or North Korea.

  10. 12

    For the Clueless spews:

    George Bush is a moron.

    Can’t emphasize that enough pbj nutcake! The second time I’ve agreed with you!

    Unfortunately for the country, Karl Rove is not a moron. Just an evil “boy genius”.

  11. 13

    pbj spews:


    According to you nutjobs, George Bush is a moron. And he beat John Kerry. How does it feel to be beaten by morons liberal nutjobs?

  12. 14

    Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    pbj, Just an outstanding job of reporting the truth!! The libs will howl and bitch and call you a “racist”, but the light of truth will beat the commie Democrats EVERY ttime! Congrats, JCH

  13. 15

    For the Clueless spews:

    PBJ nutwing shill,

    Here’s the spin: those who break the law should face the consequences just like the Republicans in this state who voted while felon and voted in the place of their dead spouses.

    and by the way, you’re a moron.

  14. 16

    Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    6, Post Of The Day!! More voter fraud from “guvment” Democrats. OK……..Solution: make voter fraud a capital offense. Kill this POS Democrat! Hang him!! [Jesse and Al would be there to “minister” to him on his last POS day, and to register him to vote Democrat in NOV 08!]

  15. 18

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Klake 16 – Don’t tell Goldy to move to eastside. We don’t want that kind of shit over here… He’s fine right where he is in the librul utopia of seattle… He and his ilk can wallow in the mess over there and try to tax themselves into prosperity.

  16. 21

    klake spews:

    Just for good measure we also talked a little politics, including al-Qaeda’s stunning victory in last week’s Connecticut Democratic senate primary.
    Goldy that was not a stunning victory in Connecticut last week, but was the end of the Democrat Party as I know it to be when Scoop Jackson was in office. Now you can safely change the name to Socialist Democrats. The al-Qaeda did not have any part in the over-throw of the Democrat Party but disenchanted voters in Connecticut and the success of the Far Far Left. Now the public has only one Party to vote for because the far left Socialist Democrat Party is really the Red party of Europe. Soon the schools here will resemble those in France and the unemployment will be as high as the European countries. Goldy when are you going to enter your daughter into a school on the Eastside because moving from school to school in Seattle can cause long term damage to the child.

  17. 22

    Harry Tuttle spews:

    Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Charles Horner, and Douglas Feith were all Congressional aides to Scoop Jackson. Joe Lieberman is one of his disciples.

    The party of Scoop is in power. It’s time for it to go.

  18. 23

    rhp6033 spews:

    So, what would have Dick Cheney have said, if Lieberman had won?

    Would he have said: “The war against Al Quida is now stengthened. With Lieberman continuing in office, we have hope for the future.”?

    Of course not. If Lieberman had won, Rove and Cheney would have made every effort to capitalize on the apparant split within the Democratic party. Operatives would have been assigned to encourage Lamont to make a third-party challenge, and Republican funds would have been used to prop up his campaign, just to split the Democratic vote. If Lamont demured, then Republican funds would go to other third-party candidates, like the Green Party, in an effort to get Lieberman out of office and replaced by a Republican.

    Cheney’s praise of Lieberman rings awfully hollow.

  19. 25

    Harry Tuttle spews:

    The stupidity of George Bush was on exhibit early this week, when he said that Hezbollah had lost in Lebanon.

    Scoop Jackson admirers better start realizing that terrorists have advanced their “netwar” strategy, using small semi-autonomous battle groups that, once the objective of battle is announced, can participate in achieving it independently. These small groups made for battlefield agility in launching missile attacks.

    All of the expensive, massive anti-missile technology that the Pentagon procurers lobby for is useless against such a strategy. The relatively low-tech Katyusha, named by Russian troops who faced them in WWII, were immune to the Patriot batteries set up around Haifa. They are too expensive, thus they not fired in the latest Lebanon fighting, probably awaiting more massive missile attacks from Hezbollah.

    The waste in iraq is delaying the US from developing strategies to strike the enemy from many directions, in different places, all at once. This is the way to counter the swarming techniques the enemy employs.

    But, it’s easier to stand in front of the Brits and pretend their accomplishment is your own.

    Then make statements, like the one about Hezbollah, that prove how clueless one can be.


  20. 26

    proud leftist spews:

    Fear is the lifeblood of conservatives. Without fear, they’d have nothing to rally around. After all, hate isn’t usually a theme that unites people (unless, of course, the hate is directed outward toward another group). Conservatives have always needed a bogey man–the Red Menace, the “morally depraved,” terrorists–to scream about. Freedom is a frightful thing for you conservatives. Freedom means accepting that everyone can’t be the same. I feel sorry for you guys. Living in fear is a helluva way to pass your days.

  21. 27

    pbj spews:

    Once again, a Democrat is caught VOTING TWICE!!!

    Man accused of voting twice in Bush-Gore election

    August 16, 2006

    BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Legal Affairs Reporter

    If there’s one thing Donovan Riley apparently learned during his time in Chicago, it was “Vote early and often.”

    Riley, 69, the former CEO of the University of Illinois Medical Center and a former law professor at Loyola University, is running for a state senate seat in Milwaukee.

    On Nov. 7, 2000, the day of the big election between Vice President Al Gore and Texas Gov. George W. Bush, Riley appeared at the polling place in Oconomowac, Wis., where he had registered to vote just the day before, voting records show. His ex-wife owned a home there.

    “Then he drove down to Chicago where he was already registered and he voted again,” said Michael Crooks, a Wisconsin attorney who filed a complaint against Riley with Wisconsin election officials. “This is about as blatant as it gets.”

    Waukesha County District Attorney Paul Bucher said it’s usually difficult to prove such allegations. “But in this case, these documents seem to be pretty good,” he said.

    ‘I made a mistake’

    Chicago Board of Elections officials are said to be compiling documents to forward to the Cook County state’s attorney for possible prosecution.

    “My best recollection is that I was splitting my time between Wisconsin and Illinois and it’s possible I made a mistake,” Riley said in a statement released last week.

    Riley faces incumbent Jeff Pale in next month’s [B]Democratic primary election[/B] for a state senate seat in Milwaukee, 35 miles from Oconomowac.

    Riley also was a partner at the Chicago law firm of Michael Best & Friedrich.


    Now let’s see how you leftwing nutjobs try to spin this one.

  22. 29

    Harry Tuttle spews:

    18. Theory needs to work in practice:

    exhibit 1.

    “There will not be a coalition victory against the insurgents,” he said. “That is a problem for the national security forces and the national government. We cannot win the insurgency. What I can do is provide the conditions for them to be successful, and I have the troops I need to do that.”

    Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer coalition commander of Anbar province, Iraq.

    exhibit 2

    Hezbollah lauched its largest missile attack on day 34, the day before the cease fire.

  23. 30

    John Barelli spews:

    “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Klake, while quoting a Fox news story condemning the New York Times article about the administration’s tracking of bank transactions said:

    But then some of you folks due support the many enemies of this country and will do anything to support their cause.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but it wasn’t the New York Times that told people we were tracking money transactions, it was the Bush Administration. Several public statements that we were going to track down their funding and cut it off were made over a period of several months. In at least one case, the wording of the statement implies that Mr. Bush was making a statement to the terrorists and their supporters.

    The NYT story simply revealed the fact that the administration wasn’t bothering to follow the law while doing so. That is what got the administration so upset.

    There are some that believe that, in order to fight terrorism, we should give up our rights as citizens. The argument is that security is more important than liberty. This argument has been at the heart of every dictatorship in modern history.

    I disagree, but I also understand that for some, security is paramount.

    There is a statement, attributed (incorrectly) to Benjamin Franklin. While he did not actually say this, it certainly sums up my thoughts. “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

  24. 31

    proud leftist spews:

    I much prefer hanging with the “bad choice” crowd than with the typical Eastside crowd. The bad choice crowd is much more interesting. Given a choice between beers with the bad choicers or martinis with you folks, and I don’t even have to ponder. So, don’t worry, you can keep your preserve intact.

  25. 32

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    We don’t have walls here, but the prices do kinda tend to keep the bad choice crowd out.

    Stay west of the lake please. Don’t even pass through…

  26. 33

    John Barelli spews:

    “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat. – Will Rogers.

    pbj – “Now let’s see how you leftwing nutjobs try to spin this one.”

    No spin needed. If the account is true, then he should bow out ot the race, cooperate with investigators and plead guilty.

    Of course, I’m reluctant to simply convict based on a newspaper story that cannot even get the name of his opponent (the incumbent) right. It’s spelled “Plale”, not “Pale”.

    Actually, my first reaction was that this fellow might be one of those right-wing LaRouch nutjobs that keep rearing their ugly heads. Honesty compels me to say that, at least according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal, Mr. Riley is the more liberal of the two candidates.

    Oh, and while Mr. Riley’s claim to have a somewhat hazy recollection of the election, it should be noted that the election in question was six years ago.

    Still, honesty is more important than political position, and if the claims are true, he should face the music.

    Oh, and for JCH. How could pbj’s comment be considered racist? A bit snarky, perhaps, but not racist. In fact, the person bringing race into this discussion seems to be on the right.

    Perhaps you’re still stinging just a bit from Senator Allen’s little gaff? Trying to distract attention from a crowd of Republicans applauding his using a racial epithet while “welcoming” a native Virginian to “this country”?

    No, that couldn’t be it. After all, we’ve all heard the loud cries from the many Republicans that are roundly condemning Senator Allen and demanding that he step down. Certainly the strong public statements from the White House have made it clear that Republicans simply won’t stand for that kind of thing within their party.

    Odd, somehow I missed reading them. Must be the fault of that pesky left-wing press.

  27. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Cheney is a juvenile screecher who sounds exactly the same as the rightwing juvenile screechers posting on this board. Hell, for all I know, he’s one of ‘em.

  28. 35

    tournament spews:

    widths tranquil agonizes precluded gouged Wittgenstein dagger conventionally:companion