Pastor Fuiten insults Jews, local media yawns

So, well… I guess my friends in the local media are just going to give Pastor Joe Fuiten a free ride on this one, huh?

“Even Jewish merchants ought’a be gathered around their cash registers singing ‘what a friend we have in Jesus.'”

The statement, broadcast Sunday on Up Front with Robert Mak, is even worse in context, coming in the wake of Sea-Tac Airport’s Christmas tree fiasco and the torrent of anti-semitic comments it generated on KING-5 TV’s own blog. So it strikes me as more than a little bit insensitive for a prominent public figure to go on the air and say that the Rabbi deserved the condemnation he was getting, that nobody travels for Hannukah anyway, and that Jews are basically a bunch of greedy merchants who should be satisfied enough to just celebrate their profits.

I don’t get it. Seattle has a reputation for political correctness ad absurdum, and yet this clearly insensitive if not downright anti-semitic comment from a major public figure doesn’t even generate a yawn.

Joe Fuiten is the pastor of our region’s largest mega-church, Bothell’s Cedar Park Church. He is also an influential player in Republican Party politics, a close advisor to Mike McGavick during his failed senate campaign, and a publicity hound who actively seeks to interject himself into controversial political and social issues. Fuiten gets air time exactly because he is perceived to be credible.

So I guess in this town, it must be credible to perpetuate anti-Jewish sentiment in pursuit of one’s political agenda. Huh. Who knew?


  1. 2

    rhp6033 spews:


    Perhaps you are the only one still listening to Fulton? Personally, I don’t hear anything he says (or read anything he is quoted as saying) once I determine it is he who is doing the talking. As for the air time, they don’t give it to him because he is creditable, they give it to him because he is entertaining because he says controversial things.

    And even Mike McGavick didn’t really listen to his advice, he just wanted Fulton to think he was a valued member of the campaign, so that he could bring out the Evangelical vote. Preachers are often a bit awed when political figures pay attention to them and talk to them nicely, and they can therefore be manipulated rather easily for political purposes.

    If McGavick had asked or listened to Fulton, or any other Evangelical preacher, he would have known that he should have promised total abstinance from alchohol after admitting his drunk-driving arrest. But instead, McGavick rather stubbornly insisted that he would continue to drink, and drive, but not drink quite so much when he was driving. Hardly a promise which inspires confidence that the event won’t be repeated again.

    Off topic:

    Today Bush signed the bill continuing the Federal Income Tax deduction for State Sales Taxes. He also commented that the was in favor of some form of minimum wage increase.

    Now Mr. President, that wasn’t so hard, was it? It shouldn’t take a landslide in the polls to make you listen to reason, should it?

  2. 3

    anti-liberal spews:

    Do you have an opinion on anything that isn’t a perpertual whine?

    Christ, no wonder your wife bailed… no one wants to be around a interminable toddler.

    Wipe your nose and grow the hell up.

  3. 4

    proud leftist spews:

    antiliberal @ 3
    Do you have anything to say that doesn’t express perpetual bitterness and hostility? No wonder you have no friends–no one wants to be around a half-witted hater. Take a long look at yourself then crawl back to your lonely cave.

  4. 5

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    It’s becoming clear that openly racist comments are just becoming more and more acceptable, at least to certain segments of the society. Check out the comments on the previous thread if you don’t believe me. Or the recent comments by Rep. Goode (R-VA), etc., etc. Webb may have won in Virginia, but you can bet a lot of people voted for Allen because of the “macaca” comment, not in spite of it.

  5. 6

    anti-liberal spews:

    I see you’re hurt by the truth that suits you as well as the whiner.

    Pot:kettle Take a long look at yourself then crawl back to your lonely cave.

    OOOOH are you mature!

  6. 7

    Goldy spews:

    Auntie Liberal @3,

    Christ, no wonder your wife bailed

    What…? You aren’t going to ridicule the size of my penis too?

    That’s it… I can’t take your criticism any more. It’s too hurtful. I’m giving up blogging. You win.

    [Of course, one has to wonder about why it is Auntie Liberal feels the need to throw the thread off topic here? Why exactly does he/she feel so threatened by the revelation that Pastor Fuiten is anti-semitic? How does this play into his/her own political agenda? Or is it just that he/she would prefer us Jews just shut up and take it, because… well… we’re only Jews?]

  7. 8

    quasi-quasist spews:

    anti-liberal @ 3

    Being an evangelical theologian myself I am appalled at Fuiten’s statement. If anybody should be toting the line for not judging (read Jesus), not being anti-ethnic/gender(read Paul), and not hastily generalizing segments of populations (read a good book on logic), it should be an evangelical minister.

    Just because a statement begets laughs it does not necessitate slandering an entire ethnicity. Btw…let’s not forget that Jesus and his followers, including the early Church were considered a Jewish sect. They even perceived themselves as an extension of Judaism meeting and teaching in synagogues.

    Whereas I find Goldy’s political leanings to be a bit leftist for me I truly respect Goldy’s ability to voice opinions even if they do grate at me from time to time. Personal assaults are absolutely uncalled for unless you want to own up to your name and email and be man/woman enough.

  8. 9

    proud leftist spews:

    Fuiten is an embarrassment to good Christians. Any politician who seeks his support lacks both principles and pride. Turning off Fuiten’s microphone would serve everyone’s best interests, including his. By the way, antiliberal @ 6, you would not recognize the “truth” if it was fucking you in the ass. You, like Fuiten, embarrass yourself everytime you share your opinions.

  9. 10

    Richard Pope spews:

    I don’t see too much wrong with someone saying that merchants should pay some homage to religious holidays that create a large portion of their business — regardless of whether the merchant is an adherent of that religion or not. I am sure Christian merchants in Moslem countries give considerable respect to Muslim religious holidays — especially those which tend to be associated with increased business for the merchant.

    Pastor Fuiten, however, is obviously wrong when he says that no one travels for Hanukah. Clearly, many Jewish people do — probably nearly a similar number as Christians who travel for Christmas. Maybe a lot of this travel is due to a plethora of secular holidays and leave taking in December, but many Jews still travel for Hanukah, even if a lot of the motivation is secular rather than religious.

    To whatever extent Pastor Fuiten may have anti-Jewish feelings, I don’t see the Jewish community as a whole getting outraged. Probably because Fuiten is sympathetic to Jewish issues most of the time. There are a lot more serious threats to Jews than Fuiten — such as Muslim extremists who are virulently anti-Jewish 100% of the time.

    That may explain why most of the folks knocking anti-Jewish statements from Pastor Fuiten tend to be people who disagree with Fuiten politically (regardless of their own faith or ethnicity), as opposed to Jewish religious groups. We don’t even see extreme Jewish fundamentalists — such as the ultra-Orthodox Chabad Lubavitch movement — attacking Fuiten.

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    Libertarian spews:


    Don’t be hard on Goldy. He provides a place where ideas can be discussed without any retribution whatsoever. I can’t say that about any place I’ve ever worked, that’s for sure!

  11. 12

    Jay spews:

    You can read whatever you want into it, but I don’t see it as a Jewish/Christian conflict.

    The right time to begin talking about Jewish symbols displayed in the airport along with Christian symbols was last winter, or last spring, or last summer, but not during the weeks before Christmas.

    The rabbi tried to bully the wrong people, they called his bluff, and he had to eat it. The bully got what he deserved.

    Anyway, christmas trees are pagan symbols, they don’t have anything to do with the birth of Christ.

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    anti-liberal spews:

    #8:Mocking goldies never-ending whining does not suggest I approve of the pastors bigotry, any more than I approve of Jackass Jimmy Carters anti-semitism or Rosie O’Donnell et al Christian hatred/fear. When he actually puts thought to keyboard and voices a legit opinion he can be mildly entertaining, but lately he’s been crying how mean big bad everyone is of his jewishness (which I believe he’s stated he doesn’t actively [or inactively] practice) while being constantly and hypocritically hateful to the Christian community. Calling him on his perpetual whining is not a “personal assault”.

    Good God “Mom he hurt my feelings!!!! whaaaaa”

    #7: How mature to resort to bastarding a name to ostensibly insult… thanks for giving credence to my admonition to grow the hell up. I’m not interested in the size of your penis, or lack there of, but I would suggest that your constant whining is directly correlated to the shriveled state/absence of more important testicles.

  13. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Influential player? As Republicans can’t get elected to anything in this state (except county commissioner posts in unpopulated sagebrush counties), and Roadkill McGavick didn’t even get 40% of the vote, how “influential” can an “adviser” to Washington’s perpetual losers actually be? Nobody listens to this guy except himself.

  14. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Stealing from Social Security and the waitress tip jar isn’t a winning combo in Blue Washington.

  15. 17

    ManofTruth spews:

    I say let the guy babble on and on and on.

    Maybe if there had been more actual free speach of this kind in Germany in the 1930s that man w/the odd mustache might not have been able to accomplish all those things.

    I say let them continue to reveal themselves cause remember “…by their works shall ye know them…”

    Happy Festivities one and all

  16. 18

    skagit spews:

    That comment should have startled anybody and everybody who was watching. It revealed an internalized bigotry that should be called out. I wouldn’t expect such a statement from anybody in this day and age, especially an educated so-called Christian leader. He may have feelings about Jews that pertain to religious beliefs but his remark bought into old stereotypes that none of us should be buying anymore.

    Can you just imagine what he thinks when he sees African Americans, Native Americans, handicapped people, etc. He could probably write the dictionary on stereotypes. I remember seeing him debating (of sorts) Dr. Michael Lerner in an oh so politically correct way. Now we know what he was really thinking . . .

    Fuiten is just another Elmer Gantry . . .

  17. 22

    Interesting thought spews:

    Antliberal and Goldie,

    First off, Goldie… The pastors remarks were directly linked to your whining about the implied persecution of Christianity as opposed to the persecution of the Jews.

    You started the topic of discussion, so your allegations the these are anti-semitic remarks is laughable.

    Secondly, Anti-liberal, you bring up a great question on Goldies failed relationships. This is a topic I’ve never really put too much thought into, but when Up front came on last week and they announced that Goldie was going to be on, my wife, a houseguest and myself purposely watched the show (not becuase we wanted to hear what Goldie had to say, rather to see an idiot in motion).

    I’d comment on many things tht Goldie blathered about, but I think we can sum up the drivel with this response. No Goldie, Christmas trees were not started by The Roman Legions as you stated.
    I would like to pass along an observation my wife made after wacthing the show.

    I quote.

    “There’s no way he’s straight”

    So, Ant-liberal, I would say you have stumbled onto a rather on topic discussion of the root cause behind Goldie hating Chrsitianity, why his marriage to an (ick) woman woud not work.

    Goldie, there’s nothing wrong with being Gay, why don’t you come on out of the closet?

  18. 23

    Libertarian spews:

    Heck, Goldy is just like everyone else. Everyone should have an ex-wife. Take my ex-wife….Please!

  19. 24

    My Left Foot spews:

    Interestingthought @ 22:

    It is readily apparent that you put no thought into your misguided rant.

    It is a sad commentary on your life that you spend time coming up with shit like, and I quote, “So, Ant-liberal, I would say you have stumbled onto a rather on topic discussion of the root cause behind Goldie hating Chrsitianity, why his marriage to an (ick) woman woud not work.”

    Did you really type “ick”?

    Your wife would be an expert because she married a gay man? We know you have no testicles, you did not sign your name.

    Your sentence structure and spelling are difficult to follow, that happens after the first six-pack. Probably explains why you can’t spell Goldy correctly.

    As for hating Christianity, I feel confident in speaking for most liberals: What we hate is pious little men, such as yourself, trying to ram your beliefs down our throats.

    Mr. Fuiten expressed clearly, with no room for debate, a very disturbing anti-semetic component to his personal makeup. For me, that makes him morally bankrupt.

    Christian my ass!

    In closing, Interestingthought, try spell check and pull your head out of your considerable ass.

    Oh yeah, before I forget: FUCK YOU.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat, Jew

  20. 25

    proud leftist spews:

    I hope your wife and you do not have children. You are borderline illiterate and your wife apparently must characterize anyone she doesn’t understand as gay. Given the clear intellectual an social inadequacies from which you both share, I truly hope you make no contribution to the gene pool. Otherwise, may I wish you the merriest of Christmases.

  21. 26

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    Right Wing “Christians” are a bit conflicted when it comes to Jewish people. They love Israel (because it fits in nicely with their Armageddon fantasies) but they seem to have an underlying hostility towards Jews. Go figure.

  22. 27

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    anti-liberal’s perpetual school yard name-calling reminded me of something: are there any thoughful conservatives left in America? You know, the kind who can actually create a coherent argument on occasion?

  23. 28

    LiberalRedneck spews:

    I get a real kick out of these “Christian” Selfservatives who expect all Jews to return the favor for their 100% self-serving “support” of Israel. From Goldy’s first post:

    Posted by: GEORGE MARCHESE at December 11, 2006 03:04 PM

  24. 29

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Goldie: Three times now you have said something agreeable with MWS. Your latest truth: “Seattle has a reputation for political correctness ad absurdum” nails it.

    Too bad you only see it when it pricks your psyche!

  25. 30

    proud leftist spews:

    LiberalRedneck @ 27
    You use the phrase “thoughtful conservative.” Lord, now that’s an oxymoron, isn’t it? And, that’s too bad. Our political discourse would benefit from such a creature. Unfortunately, not only are there no “thoughtful conservatives” left here, I’m not even sure there are any true conservatives. Just ideological wingnuts who seek intervention abroad and in our bedrooms. Roll over, Barry Goldwater.

  26. 31

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Libertarian says: anti-liberal, Don’t be hard on Goldy. He provides a place where ideas can be discussed without any retribution whatsoever. I can’t say that about any place I’ve ever worked, that’s for sure!

    Libby: What are you smoking?

    Furball, NotRightStillStupid, Clueless/YLB, Carl Grossman, for example wish us dead. Did you read the StupidOne’s commentary yesterday?

  27. 32

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Moonbat poll:

    How many of you think Donald Trump received some “consideration” from Tara Conner in his decision not to kick her to the curb?

  28. 33

    ted bessell spews:

    Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys said it all many decades ago:

    “They ain’t makin’ Jews like Jesus any more.

    And we don’t turn the other cheek when you knock down our front door.”

  29. 34

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Libertarian says: Heck, Goldy is just like everyone else. Everyone should have an ex-wife. Take my ex-wife….Please!
    12/21/2006 at 4:15 pm

    No Libby. You don’t want that. Hey Carl, real men can figure out how to stay married, right? The word on the street is how could Clueless/YLB stay married with those thoughts.

  30. 35

    anti-liberal spews:

    Trump Versus Rosie: Who Should Win?

    The Donald was right to give troubled Miss USA Tara Conner a second chance. Rosie tastelessly defamed Trump and she should keep her big mouth shut. Trump has a right to sue and will win if he does!

    Trump should have said “You’re Fired!” to Miss USA Tara Conner. She is not a proper role model for America’s youth and kudos to Rosie for pointing that out. Trump viciously attacked Rosie verbally and has no chance of winning any lawsuit!

    TRUMP! (425) (92%)
    ROSIE! (36) (8%)

  31. 37

    rhp6033 spews:

    MTR at 32: Why do I care what goes on between a real estate mogul with a bad comb-over and a beauty contest plastic doll? And why do you always try to change the subject to something COMPLETELY irrelevant? And when are you going to pay your gambling debt to Goldie?

  32. 39

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    LiberalRedneck says: Right Wing “Christians” are a bit conflicted when it comes to Jewish people. They love Israel (because it fits in nicely with their Armageddon fantasies) but they seem to have an underlying hostility towards Jews. Go figure. 12/21/2006 at 4:25 pm

    WTF? You been drinking the libby kool-aid? I love my Israeli buddies. They are really fun people!

  33. 40

    proud leftist spews:

    Hey, MWS,
    What did you ask Santa for this year? Let me guess–some acne cream, a kickass scooter, and a membership in your local Young Republicans group. I hope Santa didn’t find out about your blog posts or you surely got yourself booted from the nice list to the naughty list. You’d better go round up some milk and cookies, my young friend, I’ve heard Santa can be forgiving.

  34. 42

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Carl: I asked you about eating habits. You went ballistic as usual. All I asked was for a yes or no answer. Instead you gave me the standard Grossman blah blah blah!

    My Israeli friends told me eating habits signify if you are a “real” Jew or one of them come out of the closet ones when you need to be jewish. You and Goldie are those come out of the closet ones.

    Funny how dat woiks!

  35. 44

    ArtFart spews:

    41 “Now here’s your biggest anti-semite:”

    Ah, yes…some “fair and balanced” reporting from the Moonie Times.

  36. 48

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Proud Leftist: Where have I delivered a racist comment. I am posting truths. Yes, I am pointing out all the racism in the world. Truth does the heart good!

  37. 49

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Proud But Really Stupid Leftist:
    I wish I was young again.
    I never had an acne problem.
    I work for a living. Eh tu?
    I don’t need to spank the monkey. I’m married.
    I don’t believe in Santa (Satan)! He never brought me a gift. Mom and dad gave me my gifts! Told my godson Santa was a fake and he cried. Truth hurts. Later he came to me and said he was silly back then. He was glad I was truthful.

  38. 50

    proud leftist spews:

    “Truth does the heart good.”

    So, we agree for once. Search for truth, m’lad. You are still young. Shed your preconceptions and open yourself to new ideas. And, of course, pay atention to reality, facts, evidence, those sorts of things. They kind of help a guy find the truth.

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    YOS LIB BRO spews:



  40. 52

    My Left Foot spews:

    MWS @ 31:

    I do not wish you dead. I think debate is healthy. I also think you conservatives are trying to shove your morality down my throat. Your Christian morality.

    Most of America agrees with me. See last election results for proof.

  41. 53

    Janet S spews:

    Liberal Redneck – where are you possibly getting your information that Hamas is decorating Bethlehem? By all news accounts, Christians are being harrassed and having their property stolen. There is no longer tourism in this birthplace of Jesus because those “tolerant” and “oppressed” Palestinians won’t allow anyone but Muslims to practice religion in their country. And if you do, they will kill you. Heck, the are killing each other with just as much enthusiasm.

    And you wonder if we are on the right side?

  42. 54

    My Left Foot spews:

    MWS @ 34:

    Lots of folks stay married for the wrong reasons. The fact that you say “real men can find a way to stay married” is a clue to your insanity. You are not allowing for how the woman might feel. Of course some women can be battered into submission. I would like to speak with your wife without you present. I am guessing she would like out. This is assuming you found a blind woman who was dumb enough to marry you.

  43. 55

    My Left Foot spews:

    MWS @ 42:

    My eating habits are not any of your concern.

    Anything else I added was for dramatic effect.

    Sue me.

  44. 57

    anti-liberal spews:

    Vandals Storm Creches Nationwide – Baby Jesus Smashed, Dismembered, Desecrated

    WASHINGTON, December 21, 2006 – The Catholic League is reporting vandalism to nativity scenes across the United States.
    Figures from nativity scenes were stolen or vandalized in Tucson, AZ;
    Millbrae, CA;
    Mission Viejo, CA;
    Moorpark, CA;
    San Francisco, CA;
    Naugatuck, CT;
    Waterbury, CT (Jesus was taken, but one of the arms was left behind);
    Fort Walton Beach, FL;
    Des Moines, IA;
    Sioux City, IA;
    Ammon, ID;
    Chicago, IL (32 figures of baby Jesus were nabbed-they were later dumped on the lawn of a Catholic church); Jackson County, IL (two incidents);
    Tinley Park, IL;
    Floyd County, IN;
    Fort Wayne, IN;
    Montgomery County, IN;
    Wichita, KS;
    Hardin, KY;
    Lafayette, LA (two incidents);
    Youngsville, LA;
    Fitchburg, MA; Southborough,
    MA; Winthrop, ME;
    Portage Township, MI;
    Fayettville, NC;
    New Bern, NC;
    Columbus, NE (12 baby Jesus figures were stolen in one day);
    Plaistow, NH;
    Dover, OH;
    Utica, OH (three incidents;
    Artemis, PA;
    Bucks County, PA;
    Greenfield, PA;
    Hilton Head, SC;
    Halom City, TX;
    Santa Fe, TX;
    Salt Lake City, UT;
    Winfield, WV and
    West Allis, WI.

    “Some of these attacks were clearly motivated by malice,” the League’s Bill Donohue commented. “The baby Jesus figure stolen in Plaistow, NH was later returned, having been defiled by a pair of devil horns. The hooligan who stole the manger from Southborough, MA left the surrounding secular decorations standing.”

    Donohue continued, “In Sioux Falls, SD, someone crushed the face of the statue of Jesus. What’s worse, the creep in Des Moines, IA burned Jesus’ face, doused the statue with red nail polish, and twisted the electrical cord around its neck.”

    Commenting Wednesday on the tradition of nativity scenes, Pope Benedict XVI said, “In a few days it will be Christmas, and I imagine that, in your homes, you are putting the final touches to your nativity scenes, which are such an evocative depiction of Christmas. I hope that this important element, not only of our spirituality but also of our culture and art, may endure as a simple and eloquent way to remember the One Who came ‘to dwell among us’.”

  45. 58

    My Left Foot spews:


    My religious practices are also not of any concern to you. Whether my home is Kosher or not, whether I am Orthodox, Conservative or Reformed…none of it is any of your business and any statement you make is purely speculation.

    I will tell you this. I am no closet Jew. I am proud of being Jewish. I am ashamed that I live in a country where some would try to make me feel less than just because of my religious beliefs. People like you who want to belittle me here because you have a need, a sick need, to feel better than me. Let me explain the rules to you:

    1. When your service to this country matches mine, lets talk. You are not qualified to carry my boxers when it comes to service of this country.

    2. When your net worth is equal to mine we can talk. You like to brag. I don’t. But you don’t have the cash to travel in my circles.

    3. When you are ready to speak with me and not down at me, we can talk. You are not the smartest man on the blog. I would be willing to bet that you do not have a degree. You know how to Google pretty good though. Congratulations.

    4. When you are man enough to put your name on your posts, we can talk. Until then you are just another adolescent homophobic playing on his parents computer.

    This is America. A country built on diversity and the acceptance of the differences of others. A concept you can not seem to grasp.

    Funny how that works, MWS. You want to play with the big boys, you are going to need more than what you think you have.

  46. 59

    anti-liberal spews:

    and then we have the fauxCatholic (kinda like those fauxjew bloggers) she-bitch governor lighting a Menorah at the capitol while the Nativity is growing cobwebs in a basement somewhere.

    Nope, no war on Christians.

  47. 60

    My Left Foot spews:

    auntie-liberal @ 57:

    Nice post. Are you suggesting that liberals are waging a war on Christmas by destroying baby Jesus’across the country?

    You are delusional. Runs in the conservative species. Get help.

  48. 62

    anti-liberal spews:


    got it?

  49. 63

    My Left Foot spews:


    Faux Jews?

    Faux Christians if you ask me. Look at the shit you post here. None of it is very Christian. Filled with hate.

    Jesus (a Jew) would be so proud.

  50. 64

    My Left Foot spews:


    leftjew? Looks anti-semetic to me.

    What proof do you have that the attacks are liberals? The fact is it is kids being malicious with their pranks.

    By the way, anytime you would like to back up your words with the presence of your ass, let me know.

    Now, go fuck yourself.

  51. 65

    My Left Foot spews:


    Why don’t you come on out from behind the computer? Post your real name, lets meet for a beer. I’ll buy.

    (crickets, sound of)

  52. 66

    me spews:


    Washington State has a history of interning people (and stealing their farms, homes and businesses while they’re interned), redlining in housing, support for groups like the John Birch Society, ignoring 911 calls from minority neighborhoods, police violence, neo-nazism, beating up gays and the homeless, shooting at and sinking Native American commercial fishing boats and didn’t get around to making domestic violence a crime until the late 70’s or early 80’s (I can’t find the exact date on that one).

    I’m not quite clear on where you think you’re living.

  53. 67

    My Left Foot spews:

    anti-liberal says:


    got it?

    Gee, the hate seems to right here where you typed it. I am sorry that you don’t have much this Christmas. I am sorry that the trailer does not hold heat. I am sorry that you feel as though your plight is someone elses making.

    I don’t hate Christians, I hate having ideology rammed down my throat. You are no different than the Taliban.

  54. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    16 Yossarian says: Who’s stealing from social security, Roger? 12/21/2006 at 1:34 pm

    Any and all Republicans who want to divert Social Security revenues to private accounts!

  55. 69

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Would any of you wingfucks like to explain how you make Social Security more solvent by taking money OUT of it?

  56. 70

    rob spews:

    re: 69. Do you have a 401k or similiar retirement account rodent? If so does it make more than 1.5% per year? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then you have your answer.

  57. 71

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    32 How many of you think Donald Trump received some “consideration” from Tara Conner in his decision not to kick her to the curb?

    Do you really think Trump is dumb enough to commit actionable sexual harassment against Miss USA?

  58. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hmmm … that wouldn’t be YOU posting as MWS, would it Stefan? I know you read this blog. After all, why would you read your own booooooring blog? Nobody else does.

  59. 74

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    49 Told my godson Santa was a fake and he cried.

    Yeah, you seem like the type who gets his jollies by ruining a kid’s Christmas.

  60. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    62 Yeah we get it — you’re a delusional irrational hater. I’ve never met a wingnut who wasn’t.

  61. 77

    rob spews:

    Christine Gregoires “PUNT” regarding her viaduct non decision not going over to well with Seattle City Council or Democrat House Speaker Frank Chopp.

    Nick Lacota: Licata predicted that no matter what happens with a viaduct vote, extensive and expensive legal battles would follow.

    “I think we’ll end up hiring more lawyers than engineers for this project,” he said.

  62. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    77 More horseshit from a stupid wingnut who doesn’t even know that Social Security benefits are based on wage history, not the interest paid to the Social Security Trust Fund.

  63. 79

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Like all lying wingnuts, rob apparently believes that repeating a lie somehow makes it true. Gregoire didn’t punt; she decided the viaduct will be replaced with another viaduct, unless Seattle voters opt for a tunnel and the city comes up with the additional funding. That’s called a “decision,” rob.

  64. 81

    rob spews:

    78: Another bizarre statement from a libtard who somehow believes that Social Security Benefits being linked to wage history has anything whatsoever to do with social security solvency.

    A clue for you rodent it doesn’t, just like how much a company pays it’s employees has nothing to do with how much money it brings in.

  65. 84

    me spews:

    Following up on my post @ #66 I forgot to mention that before Tacoma’s Hill Top neighborhood was called Hill top it was known as Nigger Town.

    Yeah, we’re nice, liberal, open minded, folks around here.

  66. 86

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Hey Dipshit Clueless, I posted the other links from your venerable libtard MSM. Any more inane questions?

    Didn’t think so.

  67. 87

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Mrs. Gregoire’s decision to let the voters decide the viaduct is a clear and direct result of Tim Eyman’s efforts over the past few years to give The People the Final Say.

    In the years BT, the assfuckinghole elites like Mrs. Gregoire, empty skirts like Ron Sims, and the rest of the Girlz would have simply made a decree and told The People to go fuck themselves. Those days are over. The People now get the final say on the big dollar issues.

    I’m no fan of Mrs. Gregoire, but I have to give her the “even a stopped clock is right twice a day” award.

  68. 88

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Carl, you old reformed jew you. My conservative Jewish friends say Levitical laws still hold for them. So if in your reformity (or is that deformity), you chose to ignore them to my friends you are “NOT” a jew! You just have jewish heritage. The difference is even a reformed Muslim will NOT touch those things, even as a Christian.

    So Carl, what makes you Jewish?

    The Prophets?
    Levitical laws?
    The Torah?
    The Sabbath?
    All of the above?


    Your beliefs?

    BTW Cry me another river.

  69. 89

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Proud Leftist: I am much older than you think.

    I will give you a hint. A general was president when I was born!

  70. 90

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Carl, shall I search this blog and show you where you wished us dead like NeverRightStillStupid?

  71. 93

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Carl, your bullheaded answer on marriage proves my point. That’s your answer. I NEVER said that.

    As I remember you BRAGGED on how your wife loves you as a real man. I guess that was hogwash huh?

  72. 94

    My Left Foot spews:

    MWS loves to take things out of context to suit his current need.

    You did say it, I quoted it. Asshole.

    As for being Jewish, none of those things make you Jewish. To be Jewish your mother must be Jewish. It begins there. Judaism is a matriarchy, asshole. As for your Jewish friends, just like Christian sects (Baptist, Protestant, etc etc..) Judaism has different branches. All the same tree, asshole.

    I never told you how I worship the God of David. I won’t tell you. This is still America, where for now, I am free to believe as I see fit, asshole.

    Search away, I have never wished you, or anyone else, dead.

    My wife does love me. Yours does too. (see, I can take and dish it out).

    So coward, post your name, lets meet, have a beer. I know, you are afraid of attacks by liberals upon your person and property. Where I come from from if it smells like chickenshit, it is chickenshit, chickenshit.

    A man stands behind his statements.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat, Jew, Patriot and certainly not afraid of some nameless, faceless, castrated choir boy.

    Grow up. Be a man. Stand behind your words. Fear is a debilitating disease. The cure is to find your backbone.

  73. 97


    Hey, do something worthwhile and worthy. It takes just a minute:

    Until December 31st, Bristol-Myers is donating a dollar to AIDS research every time someone goes to their website and moves the match to the candle and lights it

    You can only do it once so please forward this link on.


  74. 99

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Here we go again Carl expands his vocabulary tonight!

    I said: “Hey Carl, real men can figure out how to stay married, right?”

    “When your net worth is equal to mine we can talk. You like to brag. I don’t. But you don’t have the cash to travel in my circles.” – Hey dumbass, you brag all the time. You’re right Carl, I have children in college.

    I have no idea “Where “you” come from from”.

    Regarding me telling you my name; on a libtard blog? NEVER!

    You may call me chickenshit, horse droppings, cow manure, bat dung, whatever. I know you have this Napoleonic complex, where you need to swear to show how BIG a man you are. You show it in every post. You’re an amazing guy.

  75. 100

    My Left Foot spews:


    My wife understands, fully, just exactly what makes me tick. She knows my character. She knows that I do not suffer fools or idiots. She knows that I am capable of defending my family in a most aggressive manner if necessary. She knows I love animals and children. And she knows that I love, cherish and honor her daily.

    Your arrogance, which you mistake for confidence, belies the real you. I know exactly what kind of man you are. You talk. You always have a better way. You know what is best for everyone in every situation. You NEVER ACT. When you see an accident, you drive by, you might call 911, but you are not getting out of the car to render assistance. When your neighbor screams because her husband is beating her, you shut your windows. You would never attempt to intervene, God knows you might get hurt. When your country is at war, you rail against the war protesters, but you would never enlist and fight in a cause you profess to believe in. (On the other hand, I fought. I fought knowing in my heart we were making a major error.)

    No courage. No guts. No glory.

    I live this everyday.
    It is the core of my belief system.

    My family. They come first. Period.
    My country. I have served and if called would serve again.
    My God. He provides the opportunity. I choose whether or not to accept.
    I do not kill. Caveat: Self defense or the defense of my family, this is temporarily suspended.

    I suggest you develop some core values of your own. Cowardice can be overcome, but you have to want to get better and you have to work at it.

  76. 104

    My Left Foot spews:


    The swearing is a product of a military career. If you are offended all I can say is:

    For over twenty years I placed my ass on the line, ready to fucking die for this country that I love. I laid my ass on the line because I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the Bill of Rights. The first of which guarantees my freedom of speech.

    What it does not guarantee is that you will like my speech. If you don’t like my language, tough shit. Life goes on. Read another blog. Turn off your computer, read your bible, watch Nick At Nite. You have many choices. I won’t be censored. I would die defending your rights. I am afraid you would not do the same for me. That is what makes us different.

    Congratulations on having kids in college. Too many pass up an education and pay for that mistake later.

  77. 105


    Mike Webb SUCKS says:
    Carl: How did Sammy Davis Junior become Jewish, if your mother makes you jewish?

    You can capitalize Sammy Davis Junior but not Jewish. Hmm. Sammy was a convert, perfectly allowable. My sister is a convert, perfectly allowable. But lineage in Jewish law comes from the mother.

  78. 108

    My Left Foot spews:


    You can convert. It is a long process. I was only speaking of the “natural” (for lack of a better term)process.

    If you are interested I would be happy to introduce you to our Rabbi and a good Mohel.

    Rod Carew converted too.

  79. 111

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Hence my ask “Your beliefs”!

    Carl, I never said you couldn’t speak your mind. I am glad you chose to fight for our country. Never dissed you for that. Regarding what I’d do for your rights, well bubba you don’t know me. I have been vague on my past on purpose. Not for general consumption. That’s all I am going to say!

    Thanks for the college line. Yeah I pay so they can learn.

  80. 112

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a hypocrit, family man (fat whore) or crying about liberal Democrats. Hail Hitler

  81. 113

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Gas is going up, thanks for the Tax Credit! Supply and Demand or Fuck’em until I need them to vote for my party.

  82. 114

    Yossarian spews:

    When I asked who was stealing from social security, Roger Rabbit said –

    “Any and all Republicans who want to divert Social Security revenues to private accounts”

    Here’s a news flash, Rog: ALL politicians have been stealing form social security, not just the Republicans. I remember Bill clinton gettin’ his ass in a crack about wanting to hit-up the social security trust fund for soomething-or-other. The newspapers even had a cartoon of Old Bill showing him with his hand in a cookie jar labeled “Social Security,” and there was a little old lady in the cartoon whacking his hand with her cane. I thought it was a funny political cartoon and very appropriate in getting the point across.

    Roger, the reason I asked you who was stealing from social security was because I knew you’d blame the Republicans and ignore Democrat culpability.

    You’re predictable, Roger.

  83. 115

    anti-liberal spews:

    Mike Webb SUCKS: want to know what kind of “jews” the jewblogger and leftjew are? Count how many POSTS they’ve logged after sundown any Friday to sundown on Saturday…

    They are JINO’s, JOC’s and jews when it suits their agenda.

    Just like the botox queen is Catholic when it suits her agenda… with her upcoming ‘you like me’ tour in January including her attending Mass, piously flaunting her faith along with the drunk and flipper from taxachusetts, bitchgregoire, Cantthinkbutfuckswell and postdumbmurray pushing abortion with NARAL money while sanctimoniously choking down the Body of Christ for political purposes.

    Assholes, hypocrites and liars all.