Palin bounced

Remember a couple months back, in the midst of an apparent “Palin bounce,” when liberal bloggers like me were warned that our personal attacks against Sarah Palin were backfiring?  Well, guess what

A growing number of voters have concluded that Senator John McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, is not qualified to be vice president, weighing down the Republican ticket in the last days of the campaign, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

All told, 59 percent of voters surveyed said that Ms. Palin was not prepared for the job, up 9 percentage points since the beginning of the month. Nearly a third of voters polled said that the vice-presidential selection would be a major factor influencing their vote for president, and those voters broadly favored Senator Barack Obama.

In a possible indication that the choice of Ms. Palin has hurt Mr. McCain’s image, voters said that they had much more confidence in Mr. Obama to pick qualified people to serve in his administration than they did in Mr. McCain.

What we did was soften her up… sowed the seeds of doubt.  And when Palin got out on the campaign trail and proved herself to be a one trick pitbull, totally incapable of fielding even a few simple questions from Katie Couric, Palin’s approval numbers collapsed faster than the stock market.

Palin is not qualified to be vice president, and it would have been absolutely stupid and self-destructive to refrain from relentlessly pointing that out, simply because she’s a woman.  Perhaps McCain gambled that in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s narrow defeat, the Dems would be too timidly PC to go there.  Well, we weren’t, and we did.  And now McCain is paying the price for the most irresponsible VP pick since Spiro Agnew.


  1. 1

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ever since Nixon, I’ve believed Republicans deliberately pick crappy running mates as impeachment insurance.

  2. 2

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Same thing is going to happen to Obama.
    McCain blew this election in many ways…how he used Palin and failure to go after Obama for fear of being labeled a racist. However, Conservatives will be ready, willing & able to give Obama the same treatment the Left gave Bush. Everything he idea he proposes will be labeled as Marxist/Socialist, every word parsed and his past more fully vetted.

    One thing I heard Obama say for the first time today was about “growing the economy” and “growing the pie”. You do not do that by increasing taxes. Obama is already starting to lower the expectation bar for the lunatic left and young voters who were so convinced he would simply increase taxes on rich folks & corporations and give it to them. Fat chance.

    Frankly, I think Obama has been educated about the futility of trying to increase taxes on rich people & corporations. BILLIONS have been spent already on Tax Planning in anticipation of Obama’s reign of terror. I have many Tax CPA and Attorney friends who are soooo busy they cannot take any time off before tax season.

    It’s a Tax Professional’s DREAM!

  3. 3

    rla spews:

    Well I’m not sure you softened her up much. I think she did that to herself.

    What I find fascinating is this Palin litmus test that some in the hijacked republican party are using to filter membership. “If you support Palin, you’re with us, otherwise you’re against us.” This seems really self defeating.

    Unlike some, there are a lot of republican’s I respect. Many of whom I count as friends are going to vote for Bob Barr or Obama specifically because of Palin. Now the radical wing is pushing her for 2012. They aren’t paying attention.

    Perhaps it’s time for a viable 3rd party of real conservatism…….

  4. 4

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    TEAM OBAMA was smart muzzling Joe “The Mouth” Biden. He has been given a free pass. Only talking points after the last outburst inciting terrorists to attack in the first 6 months….GUARANTEED!

    Yeah Rog, 1% Biden is a real gem of a VP too, ain’t he! He is perfect impeachment insurance!

  5. 5

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    If the Republican’s had put up Romney/Huckabee this election would be a coin-flip.
    McCain was a horrible choice.
    Palin not ready and misused by McCain.
    Yet they are still within a few points of Barrack “Santa Claus free Shit for Everyone” Obama and Joe “The Mouth” Biden.

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Obama Gains Electoral Votes

    The Republican-friendly media tell us the race is “tightening” (see, e.g., AP poll) but the latest movement on RealClearPolitics’ electoral vote map is in Obama’s direction.

    Obama now has 311 EVs to McCain’s 142, with 85 tossups. Nevada has moved from tossup to leaning Obama, and Georgia has moved from leaning McCain to tossup.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @4 There’s nothing wrong with Biden’s brains, and no problem with his mouth that duct tape can’t fix.

  8. 8

    rla spews:


    Well, I’m sure there will be lots of people out there who will continue to slam doors and look for any reason to complain. I was one of those people who was bent about Bush. Unfortunately Bush continue to live down to my expectations. Based on what Obama did at Harvard Law Review and his openness to other opinions, I have a feeling that you’ll have fewer needs to shout “marxism!” over time…

    I honestly don’t know anybody who has take a thoughtful look at his proposal and sees Robin Hood besides some right wingers who listen to the talking points and not the facts… All of those I know who are not wealthy and are voting for Obama are doing so because of something other than taxes. I’ve heard all of (in prio order) health care, ending the war, energy policy, social justice, and restoring dignity and ethics to America. I have not heard 1 single middle class to poor person say their vote hangs on Obama’s tax policy.

    I have a lot of CPA and attorney friends too. Most are so busy right now because they’re either redoing trusts and that have lost so much value or are doing loss planning and portfolio rebalancing because of their clients recent losses.

  9. 9

    Michael spews:

    One thing I heard Obama say for the first time today was about “growing the economy” and “growing the pie”.

    You’re a bit late to the party, Obama’s been talking about growing the economy for quite some time.

  10. 10

    correctnotright spews:

    The great thing about cynical is he is able to keep repeating the same BS and lies – even after everyone knows it is a lie. Obama is only raising taxes on people making over 250K – and that will simply restore those people to the level they used to pay.

    cynical knows nothing about the economy and thinks because he gambles on a few stocks he is some kind of expert. Thinking you are an expert does not make you one – I’ve got news for you. Pretending that the last 8 years of economic disaster were great – which is what cynical WAS writing before the most recent collapse – shows have pathetic cynical’s knowledge really is.

    The fact that cynical is one of the under 25% that think bush is doing a great job – tells us all we need to know about the level of judgement of “cynical”.

    Yup – cynical thinks the Iraq war was good for the US, thinks bush is doing a good job, thinks the BIAW is a great organization – yet we should listen to his crap about socialism and the economy because…..the only reason he can come up with is that he is a self-proclaimed expert and a legend in his own mind.

    Being continually WRONG apparently, is all the verification that cynical needs.

  11. 11

    rhp6033 spews:

    Cynical @ # 2: Actually, Bush got an extended honeymoon from criticism from the left and the media. His administration was eight months old at the time of 9/11, and then came the Afganistan war, and then the Iraq war, which stiffled a lot of criticism of Bush until well into the 2004 campaign season (nobody wanted to be seen as not “supporting the troops” while they are engaged in combat).

    But by 2005, Bush’s failures were becoming readily apparant.

    (a) The Iraq situation was deteriorating rapidly, and the anti-war movement picked up steam, and the disparity between the government’s statements and the situation on the ground became apparant, as did the lack of planning and foresight;

    (b) the failed response to Katrinia, which cause the public to question the administration’s veracity and competence on a wide range of issues;

    (c) the Valerie Plame affair, which revealed a mean-spirited attempt to silence critics even if it damaged the country’s response to terror in the process;

    (d) the attorney-general firings, which further demonstrated an attempt to subvert the Justice Dept. for partison political advantage;

    (e) the cronyism and patronage which benefited supporters of the administration with huge no-bid government contracts and put incompetent administrators (like Brownie) in important government posts simply because they were pliable;

    (f) the continued economic softening which turned into a full-blown meltdown over the last two months, and was handled by massive infusion of taxpayer money for the benefit of bankers;

    (g) record deficits and an exploding national debt on a scale not imagined before…

    I could go on, but it’s just too tiring to list them all. In short, the Bush administration brought it all upon themselves, and blaming those who point out the obvious is like attacking the kid who exclaimed “the emporer has no clothes!” They got an extended honeymoon which they abused, and now we are all paying the price.

    Personally, I hope that the media does it’s job a lot better during the Obama administration. I agree it should be a lot more accountable than the Bush administration has been.

    But what I’m expecting is a double-standard by the Republicans. Within weeks, they will be blaming Obama for the economic mess Bush & Co. created, and so forth.

  12. 12

    correctnotright spews:

    @5: Dream on
    Romney was a total fake and could not campaign worth crap. And Huckabee was a great personality who makes Biden look like a wallflower with his outrageous quotes and ethics problems.

    You republicans had your chance in the primaries. You picked the centrist McCain who has run as a right winger with no ethics – too dumb for words.

  13. 13

    rla spews:


    Ehhh… Romney not so much. He’s stiff as a board and has the used car salesman appeal… Let’s not forget too that he won’t pass the religious test.

    Huckabee maybe. He’s a really personable guy who has a positive outlook. He didn’t have many ideas and the social/religious conservatism wouldn’t have played well on the coasts.

    All of whom would be tarred with the “taking off the jersey” argument and running against their own party. I’m not sure you could be a republican in this atmosphere and win. Now if Obama was an old white haired, white man who had been a one term governor, this would a crushing landslide. Yeah yeah, I know you’re going to tell me that the last refuge of a desperate democrat is racism, but listen to “This American Life” from last weekend. You’ll probably not argue as much then…

  14. 14

    Gerry spews:

    Are we not taught to lead by example. So Palins 17 year old daughter gets knocked up and drops out of school. Her boyfriend also says he will drop out of school too. A true example of what America is: uneducated and knocked up before u get married..long live conservative family values.Is crystal meth next.

  15. 15

    Patti spews:

    Palin isn’t qualified to be in governmental office and should be impeached from her Alaskan officer after “Trooper-gate” and her use of state office space and monies for her husband and children. Her husband in her office answering quesitons for staff? This sounds like a bad sit-com. Oh, it already is. And she has the nerve to criticize any of Obama’s actions on top of it. Absolutely the worst candidate I have ever seen. And I really wanted a woman president!

  16. 16

    Rocktober Surprise spews:

    Tom Eagleton, Democrat, was the worst pick since Spiro Agnew. But only if you forget Democrat Geraldine Capone in, ahem, 1984.

  17. 17

    Rocktober Surprise spews:

    Agree with Peggy Noonan that McCain’s Palin pick was cynical bullshit, which was my response to her roll-out on the morning after Obama’s beatification in Denver.

    But I also believed she would Eagleton herself off the ticket when Big Media’s Goldy-Smear-Slime-&-Sewer Machine started vomiting all over her about one minute after her intro.

    Well, she’s still standing, you lipstick-pig fucking fuckwads. She’s a better man than any of you or any of us. And a better governor than the governor-manque we’ve got here.

    She’s a good woman at, alas, the wrong time. Give her the apologies she deserves and crawl back to your diving-board cesspools.

  18. 18

    Gaffe Master Biden spews:

    Yeah. Go to YouTube and search Biden + gaffes.

    It’s a laff riot all the way to the asylum … and maybe that’s why Obama’s goons have hidden Joey the Mouth on the back of the bus, verrrry far away from any reporters or plumbers.

    & speaking of … using state officials on public time to pry into “confidential” records of a private citizen who had the bad luck to be outside while Barack was cruising his street, looking for real Americans to talk to? And who had the even worse luck to ask St. Barack a question that got a bad answer? What’s with that egregious invasion of privacy by an overweening intrusive malignant government run by intrusive malignant Democrats?

    And what’s with you civil-libertarian liberals who invent privacy rights for approved citizens while stripping inconvenient citizens of their privacy in public?

  19. 19

    Lenin spews:

    Funny, McCanned and Palin calling Obama a ‘socialist’ when her state ‘spreads the wealth’ like a good socialist should. Palin = McCanned call it a night…..

  20. 20

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Democrat Closing On Doc Hastings

    I’ve just received a fundraising e-mail from the Washington State Democrats that says, “New polling shows George Fearing (D) is within 5% of unseating incumbent conservative Doc Hastings! The poll by Bainbridge Media Group reads:

    “On the question of whom to support, 52.5% would vote for Doc Hastings; 47.5% would chose George Fearing… The data demonstrate that … Democratic Congressional Candidate George Fearing may defeat 14-year incumbent Republican Congressman Doc Hastings.”

    The e-mail requests donations for a final “weekend media blitz” consisting of radio and TV spots: “We anticipated that George was close and we are now making a final push to remove Doc Hastings from office.” If you’d like to help, go to ActBlue to contribute to Fearing’s campaign.

  21. 21

    Gaffe Master Biden spews:

    To be clear, here, about who was egregiously violated: Big Joe “Wurzelberger,” as McCain called him, was not stalking Obama. He did not seek out your celeb du jour to get him with a gotcha.

    Obama found Citizen Joe. Joe asked a question. Obama was stupid, as he often is. And then the hammer of the Arizona-Ohio Democrat-media machine came down on his head.

    Well, he’s still standing too, like Palin, while Biden in Seattle says that young unqualified (stupid) President Obama will be cruelly challenged by the real world.

    We’re on the big ride now, boys & girls. Hope you like it.

  22. 23

    Lenin is a Useful (?) Idiot spews:

    Alaska’s been spreading the oil wealth for decades. Annual checks to even the most evanescent of citizens. Got a problem with redistributing Big Oil’s surplus value?

  23. 25

    Kevin Carns spews:

    ” … then the hammer of the Arizona-Ohio Democrat-media machine came down on Joe’s head.”

  24. 26

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    correctnotright spews:

    The great thing about cynical is he is able to keep repeating the same BS and lies – even after everyone knows it is a lie. Obama is only raising taxes on people making over 250K – and that will simply restore those people to the level they used to pay.

    Actually cnr, you haven’t been paying attention to the moving target Obama AND Biden have been tossing around on that 250K number.
    They keep changing it…and then coming back to it. It’s comical.
    Let’s see what they do when totally in charge.
    My guess is a few meaningless, headline grabbing, next to nothings.

  25. 27

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    cnr spews:

    The fact that cynical is one of the under 25% that think bush is doing a great job – tells us all we need to know about the level of judgement of “cynical”.

    I have NEVER been a Bush Fan. He’s not a true Conservative and has done a horrible job. Either you have had your head in your ass or you are retarded and like making sh*t up.
    Ask Rog…he’ll tell you.
    I’m not a Republican…I’m a Conservative.

  26. 28

    Puddybud spews:

    I wonder…

    Polls are showing some college kids rethinking their love for the “messiah”. I guess mom and dad called them and said “Just think, your vote and love for Obama and his gang are taxing away your inheritance”.


  27. 30

    Sing 2 Me, Mr. C. spews:

    $250K? $200K? $150K?

    What’s a few K among robber barons, like you and the rabbit? Whatever the final number is, you and Rog are so totally screwed. Kiss your cap gains goodbye.

    And Romney was a no go. Quasi-reliable polls showed that a vanishingly small percentage of Americans would not accept a black president or a woman president or even Hillary. But 50+% said again and again that they would never accept a Mormon … a number so big is was clearly pulling Huck-ster Baptists and tolerant compassionate liberal secular inhumane humanists.

    To say nothing of people who pop squirrels in popcorn poppers.

  28. 31

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    You need to get a grip on the fact that American’s hate people in power, in general, as evidenced by both Presidential and Congress approval polls.

    Obama will be under 50% the first time he makes any move you KLOWNS expect him to make in raising taxes. Obama will be expected to turn the economy around and will be blamed if he doesn’t…quickly. Americans have little patience these days…after Obama’s campaign rhetoric, he becomes the enemy of many.

    I expect him to be treated the same as Bush.
    EVERYTHING past, present & future scrutinized/twisted with constant attacks.

    Lefty’s are pretty darn good at getting elected and all the excitement surrounding that.
    But it starts breaking down immediately…just look at the Democrat-dominated Congress!
    What have they done but make excuses & blame Bush??

  29. 32

    Steve the Perv spews:

    Who’d a thought you’d find a fox or any other feral animal or barnyard animal you didn’t want to bugger?

  30. 33

    Sing to Me, Mr. C. spews:

    “I expect him to be treated the same as Bush.
    EVERYTHING past, present & future scrutinized/twisted with constant attacks.”

    Same as Bush, for sure. Everything past, present, or future that Obama fucks up will … you can count on it … be blamed on Bush.

    It’s like JFK blaming JFK’s Bay-of-Pigs failure on Ike. Or Clinton blaming his broken promises on GHWB.

    Being Democrat means never having to say you’re wrong or sorry.

  31. 34

    ken spews:

    Obama’s aunt from Africa lives in low income project in Boston (share the wealth).
    She was interviewed by Time in UK, Yeah UK…
    Anyhow she was told she can’t talk about Obama until after the election.

    Gee, That’s when everyone will find out how scary the guy is.

  32. 35

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    So true about the inheritance thing…
    My buddy has a naive 18 year-old daughter who came home one day talking the Obama smack.

    He listened to her argument and told her “Thank God!” you are for Obama. That’s gonna save mom & I $150k for your education that we can now spending on travel, new car for us etc.

    He started to walk away and she stopped him trying to figure out what he meant..
    He told her flat out that after listening to her, it sounded like she didn’t need Mom & Dad now that she had Barrack to support her!

    He then told her he was going to take her car, credit card and cellphone too. She started bawling like the spoiled brat she is.
    It didn’t take her too long to become a McCain fan!
    He said it was actually quite easy to convert the young, Liberal head-in-the-clouds mind.

  33. 36

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Sing To Me–
    The problem with Obama blaming Bush is that that dog won’t hunt for 4 years…it won’t hunt for 6 months.
    People will demand Obama perform.
    They EXPECT the special, better life he has PROMISED them.

  34. 37

    ken spews:

    “Review and his openness to other opinions, I have a feeling that you’ll have fewer needs to shout “marxism!” over time… ”

    That’s funny tell that to Joe the plumber or to the TV news stations that he has banned.

    Your in a dream or I should say a fancy world with obama.

  35. 38

    correctnotright spews:

    Yup – you don’t support Bush ahahahaha – you just support all his policies like the war in Iraq and cutting taxes for Exxon and the rich.


    You must also support:
    the larget budget deficit in history
    the corruption of the justice dept.
    illegal wiretapping

    Gee – I have never heard you say you don’t support any of those…..I say you are full of BS if you say you don’t support the Bush policies.
    Exactly what Bush policies don’t you support beside the bailout?
    List them out then…

  36. 39

    correctnotright spews:

    Nope – they just want someone who is honest (unlike Bush) fair (unlike Bush) and will level with the american people and not scream terrorist and try to scare us every two seconds.

    Also, they want to stop the worst economic policies since the great depression – that you agree with.

    They want to get rid of the health care mess we have and they want to stop shipping American jobs overseas.

    But you are in favor of all the Bush policies. And you like to scare people by yelling terrorist or socialism – but you no facts and no arguments to back up what you say.

    some conservative – in favor of the largest budget deficit in history and the most unnecessary war since …. well, since ever.

  37. 40

    correctnotright spews:

    @35: hahahha
    When he loses his job and can’t buy her anything – he will vote for Obama and the only way their kid will go to college is because Obama will cut the college costs or put in national service for college – cause McCain won’t do squat.

    What a stupid story – a guy tries to bribe his kid to vote for McCain? She will probably say whatever he wants and vote for Obama anyways. Bush has already ruined this country enough.

  38. 41

    Blue John spews:

    He then told her he was going to take her car, credit card and cellphone too. She started bawling like the spoiled brat she is.

    That’s not liberal or conservative, that’s just bad parenting.

  39. 42

    correctnotright spews:

    The topic of this was Palin – the biggest mistake by a major party since ….well, even worse than Eagleton and worse than the republican criminal Agnew (or Nixon).

    She is so pathetically unprepared she can’t even handle softball questions like what supreme court decisions she doesn’t like or what the Bush doctrine is. I mena Katie Couric looked intelligent compred to her – how sad. she can’t even give press conferences for fear she will be asked a question. Most of her speeches turn out to be lies and it turns out she has a number of ethics violations in her short term as governor – troopergate she has alredy been cited for and now travelgate.

    Guess all those clothes she has been wearing are not really hers either – 250K from Neiman Marcus (never marked down) ain’t where the common people shop. What a pathetic faker.

    It wasn’t the news media that have brought her down – it was her own poor record, her own poor interviews and her own poor judgement in accepting the clothes.

    I guess conservatives prefer underqualified liars for VP.

  40. 43

    Liar Darcy Burner spews:

    Liar Darcy Burner is at it again. That bitch doesn’t have a degree in economics for Harvard! And her computer science degree is a BA, a joke to people who have real computer science degrees (BSCS).

  41. 44

    Blue John spews:

    I don’t like palin because I don’t like her socially conservative views and her cruel ruthless financial ideology. I did like the myth that she would be a reformer and stand up to the republican power structure. I didn’t like her when I found she was petty and vindictive, like cheney in a dress.
    Thats why she is tanking, the more we get to know her.

  42. 45

    correctnotright spews:

    @28: anectdotes versus facts:

    Democrat Barack Obama leads his Republican rival John McCain by a nearly 2-1 ratio among young voters in the race for the White House, a poll by Harvard University’s Institute of Politics showed on Wednesday.

    Obama leads McCain 56 percent to 30 percent among likely young voters, according to an online survey of 2,406 18 to 24 year olds conducted by Harris Interactive for the institute between Sept. 12 and Oct. 6. Fifteen percent were undecided.

    Obama’s lead is essentially unchanged from polls in July and March, the institute said.

    You guys can dream on – but the youth will vote in record numbers and they are voting democratic. I hear of lots of staunch republicans whose kids can’t stomach McCain or Palin.

    Out here in blue Washington – expect to see a democratic landslide.

  43. 47

    HI Q spews:

    “I mena Katie Couric looked intelligent compred to her …”

    Glad you cleared that up for us. So tell us why Sarah Palin is meeting the press and answering their questions while Joe Biden (‘my IQ is waaaaay higher than yours’) is being protected from media scrutiny?

  44. 49

    HI Q spews:

    We don’t doubt that the Soviet of Seattle in Blue Washington will hoist Barack H. Obama into the Presidium of Power.

    And if the margin of victory cuts a little too close, Seattle will find more Obama ballots during the recount. And then will find more Obama ballots during the re-recount.

  45. 50

    Barack H. Obama spews:

    George Carlin had his seven deadly dirty words, but he missed the name that dare not speak its name. That would be the H in Barack H. Obama. And maybe, just to be safe, we should remove H from the alp abet altoget er.

  46. 51

    Michael spews:


    Polls are showing that Obama’s increasing his lead in the electoral vote count.

    Real Clear Politics has Obama up 311/142

  47. 52

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:


    Hear hear. I am sure King County already has the recount ballots for queen Chrissy stored in the back room of a precint headquarter in Freemont.

    Democrats = voter fraud.

  48. 53

    Michael spews:


    It a case of not what you say, but how you say it. It’s more than a bit ridiculous for anyone’s middle name to be hurled about as an racist epithet.

  49. 54

    Barack H. Obama spews:

    @ 34 … Brother lives in a box in Nairobi. Aunt’s indentured to the projects in Boston. Uncle’s just been evicted. But for multi-millionaires Obama and Biden, my God, the money rolls in.

    BO and Michelle could spare almost nothing from their millions until about two years ago, when they knew people would be looking. Biden’s been giving somewhere between 0.0 and 0.5. So that’s how fat-cat ‘Crats spread the wealth … they spread it to sweetheart Tony Rezko while the bro in Kenya lives on lizards.

  50. 55

    Michael spews:

    @49, 52

    Funny, that a Republican Secretary of State, Republican Judge and Republican US attorney couldn’t find any wrong with the election, but you two can.

    You both must be super smart. Maybe you should run for office.

  51. 56

    Michael Palin spews:

    “I don’t like palin because I don’t like her socially conservative views and her cruel ruthless financial ideology.”

    Admit it. You got the hots for her. Ruthless financial ideology is such a turn on.

  52. 58

    Michael Palin spews:

    @ 55: Believe at least 2 of 3 you mention said the election was SNAFU FUBAR’d totally. That’s why Dean Logan died for our sins and went to, well, not heaven, but Los Angeles. Where he bitched up yet another election, the California Democrat primary of 2008.

    The problem here is that proving (a posteriori) voter fraud when votes are cast with secret ballots is an impossibly high hurdle. That’s why we malcontents accepted Judge Earring’s ruling: We could not violate voter privacy by linking specific secret ballots to specific dead felon Democrat voters.

    And that’s why our secretary of state, Republican that he is, belatedly did his job and purged 300,000+ dead felons and dogs from the rolls for 2008. Any or all of those 300,000+ could have voted for Gregoire in 2004, with impunity and without challenge. And then could have voted for her again.

    The problem for a US Attorney such as Republican McKay is that “could have” does not necessarily = “did” for reasons of confidentiality and secret ballots cited above.

    Maybe multiple-recount Gregoire really won. Maybe she actually got more actual votes than Yacht Club Dino. But it’s more likely that she was the beneficiary of an election so incompetent that it looked corrupt.

    2004 was what a stolen election looks like. And that’s 2004 Washington State. Not 2004 Ohio.

  53. 60

    Michael spews:


    The judge in the case found that there were a few fraudulent votes cast. Votes for Rossi.

    The judge listened to every single argument the Republicans wanted to make and he dismissed every stinkin’ one of them as completely without merit. There was no fraud.

    Your comment is a bit curious as you are calling Logan incompetent and then saying he pulled off stealing the closest watched election in state history. Wouldn’t you have to be smart to do that?

    There was incompetence on the part of Dean Logan, but incompetence doesn’t = fraud. The election results were so close they might as well have decided the thing with a coin toss. Gregoire just happened to be the one on top at the end.

  54. 61

    David spews:


    Luckily for the father in this story Obama will win anyways. But we know dad will be man enough to turn down the health care tax credits and educational tax credits and all those things that would lower his taxes, because by god, he has integrity, right? Oh wait, he basically used coercion to try and change someone’s vote. So more like a banana republic kinda dude.

  55. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Another McCain Miscue

    “’Joe’s with us with here. Joe, where are you?’ said McCain. He paused and glanced over the crowd. ‘Where is Joe? Is Joe with us today? Joe, I thought you were here today. … Wherever you are, Joe, let’s give him a round of applause for what he’s done for America!’” — John McCain, perplexed by the absence of his stage prop, in Defiance Ohio today (quoted from Politico under fair use).

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: If he got elected he’d probably lose his vice president someplace, too. But that isn’t a bad idea.

  56. 63

    Dean Died 4 Your Sins spews:

    Yes, a few (four) fraudulent voters were found who admitted that they fraudulently voted for Rossi. At least I think that’s how Gregoire’s landslide went from 129 to 133.

    But to say there was no fraud (beyond those four) is unsupportable. To repeat: fraud could not be proven after the fact without true or “true” confessions from voters who were willing to confess. That’s because we have secret ballots. We could not breach the confidentiality of secret ballots to link them to any of 300,000+ illegally or fraudulently registered voters … a list that was not compiled for a purge until after Judge Earring’s decision.

    Again: I did not accuse Logan of stealing. I asserted that he was incompetent.

    2004 was what a stolen election would look like. Agreed? But neither you nor I nor a heap o’ lawyers could rip away the veil of ballot secrecy to prove 2004 was a stolen election. Agreed?

  57. 64

    Gaffe Master Biden spews:

    C’mon, Chuck, stand up. Let everybody see ya. Chuck? Oh, God love ya. You just sit right there in your wheelchair and everybody else stand up.

    Commentary: Course, if Joe (my IQ is waaay bigger than your IQ) sits down at that down-home cafe where he goes to connect with the real America, we won’t have Joe Biden to kick around any more. Which would mean morning in America all over again.

  58. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @58 Same old horseshit from same old wingnut whiners. Reporters tracked down 10 ineligible felon voters willing to say who they voted for — 1 female and 9 white males. The female said she voted for Gregoire. All 9 of the white males said they voted for Rossi. By that yardstick — and that’s the only yardstick we have — 90% of the felons voted for Rossi. That boosts Gregoire’s margin by hundreds of additional votes. Rossi lost. Get over it, crybaby.

  59. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @63 So you won’t accuse Logan of “stealing” but you claim there was fraud? Where? All those felons thought they were entitled to vote. The state thought they were, too. So where’s the “fraud”? You’re a fucking idiot.

  60. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    A 9-year-old boy received an electrical shock when he touched a McCain yard sign in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, on Tuesday. The homeowner told the boy’s irate father he hot-wired the sign because two of his yard signs had been stolen. The police were called.

    What kind of sick bastard would expose neighbohood kids to a danger like that? Only a Republican.

    (Source: Newsweek)

  61. 69

    Michael spews:

    Hey kids,

    None other than Jules Crittenden (big time rightie) has backed Obama! Crittenden had this to say about the whole social/terror/ism meme:
    this is America. It isn’t like anything bad is going to happen here, at least once we end injustice, poverty and racism. That socialism thing? Come on. There aren’t any commies any more. Even when there were, Che was cool-looking. So Obama hung around with people who said they like terrorism, God Damn Amerika, all that. Hello, freedom of speech? Is there something wrong with saying stuff?

    Dan Cooper the founder and head of Cooper Arms, a maker of high-end hunting rifles, has backed Obama! I guess he’s figuring Joe six-pack might spend some of his newly increased tax return on a new rifle.

  62. 70

    Fucking Idiot, & Proud of It spews:

    Think I covered myself with enough weasel words and qualifiers to avoid saying anything (the election was stolen; there was fraud) that I cannot prove. I asserted that Dean Logan was incompetent here in 2004 and in LA, 2008. Pretty sure that can be proved, even to a scrofula shyster fucking-defrocked-lawyer rabbit in rehab.

  63. 72

    Love the Smell of Burning Fur in the Morning spews:

    Sick Republicans, man, always trying to incinerate tiny tots.

    Actually, we wire our signs to zap the buck teeth out of buck rabbits. Mount the teeth on our beer bongs, throw the dumb stinking dead bunnies in big hot pots. Just like Fatal Attraction.

  64. 74

    big time rightie spews:

    Big time … Guess we’ll take your word for that, since you haven’t misled us about anything else. (Jules Verne? Heard of him. Old Jules? Ditto. But Jules Crittenden? Sure talks like a big time rightie … I mean, all big time righties talk about how cool Chancho Guevara was …)

  65. 77

    Tawana Goldstein spews:

    Message to Michael: Argghhh indeed. 411 your 69, and signing out. 10-4.

    HNMT 2 YLB: Lookin’ good, my brother. Welcome back to the sewer.

  66. 78

    Michael spews:

    Never mind the Jules Crittenden comment above, it seems he’s back in the McCain camp.

    Why I’m Voting For McCain Again

    Andrew Sullivan, who knows a thing or two about changing his mind every five minutes, informs:

    Anne Applebaum and Joe Klein, like countless others, cannot support McCain because of his repulsive, vicious, negative, McCarthyite campaign and his unvetted spur-of-the-moment decision to pick Sarah Palin, an unhinged, know-nothing, delusional religious fanatic, as his veep …

    He goes on, blah blah blah about something or other, who cares? Sullivan just reminded me of everything I love about McCain-Palin. I’m back again. Never stop being a repulsive, vicious, negative McCarthyite, John, you and your unhinged, know-nothing, delusional religious fanatic of a veep!

    Never mind that other thing I said… I duhwanna talk about it.

    God, it feels good to be back.

  67. 79

    YLB spews:

    Let’s recap for everyone.

    77 is the Hateful Name Morphing Troll (HNMT) or the “slobbering wingnut of many aliases”.

    In the comment to the thread referred to 75 he was exposed to be totally full of right wing crap when he quoted one of those garbage right wing e-mails as the gospel truth.

    The compulsion of the right wing is to the think they’re better than everyone else or smarter than everyone else because they dittohead to Limbaugh or slavishly accept every piece of right wing trash that lands in their e-mail inbox.

  68. 80

    Gerry spews:

    I bet you that all those guys spewing all that anger, hate and lies towards Obama, are white boys frightened that you have a man of color more intelligent, educated, cultered and sublime than they will ever be, oh and one more thing..he got bigger cojones than any those ole boys will ever have.

  69. 81

    busdrivermike spews:

    When Palin runs in 2012, I will be the first one to contribute, just like when I did with Ellen Craswell in the 1996.

    If Obama wins on Tuesday…..or wait WHEN Obama wins on Tuesday, the loonies of the right will hold a pogram and immolate the Republican party.


  70. 82

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    A 9-year-old boy received an electrical shock when he touched a McCain yard sign in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, on Tuesday. The homeowner told the boy’s irate father he hot-wired the sign because two of his yard signs had been stolen. The police were called.

    You conveniently failed to mention the homeowner had numerous McCain signs stolen and the kid had an Obama sign in his hand to steal & replace the sign AGAIN!

    What kind of a sick bastard Democrat would send a 9 year-old kid to a neighbors house (private property) to steal a legitimate sign and replace it with the sign of a Marxist?????????
    SHOCKING!!! (literally)

  71. 83

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    80. Gerry spews:

    I bet you that all those guys spewing all that anger, hate and lies towards Obama, are white boys frightened that you have a man of color more intelligent, educated, cultered and sublime than they will ever be

    Actually Gerry, Obama is half black and half white….
    I’m against both his black & white side because he is a Socialist/Marxist with zero accomplishments other than running for office and writing 2 phoney books about himself.

  72. 84

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Palin will not run in 2012.
    She will remain Governor and then run for Senate.
    The Republican 2012 Ticket will be Romney/Huckabee….like it should have been this time.
    Obama is hamstrung from the beginning.
    Everything he says will be put under the Socialist/Marxist microscope.
    Obama has promised things he cannot deliver.
    That’s why he is already lowering expectations talking about “growing the economic pie”…rather than “spreading the wealth around”.

    Look, I know you KLOWNS like to be in charge. But you are clueless what to do once there. Clinton told you folks all these great social things he was going to do for you. He did nadda on that end. All he did was pump the high tech BUBBLE which ultimately burst. People lost 80% of their retirements in that bubble…NOT ME!

  73. 85

    Steve spews:

    Ranching in Montana is such easy work. It allows Cynical the time to post on a Western Washington political blog day in, day out, from morning to night. Yes, ranching is very easy work.

    There is no ranch. There are no investments. Cynical lies about everything.

  74. 86

    Gerry spews:

    I said man of “color” which I mean not Aryan. Are you white M. Cynical? I bet you are.

  75. 87

    Daddy Love spews:

    There’s all this vote fruad! We can’t prove it but it’s there! It’s impossible to prove because of the secret ballot be BELIEVE ME thate’s a lot of vote fraud!! If only we were not hamstrung by ridiculous privacy and integrity of the vote concerns we’d prove it! But we can’t so you just have to BELIEVE ME!!!!

    That’s pretty lame as an argument. I’m pretty sure that a judge can review evidence in a non-public setting to allay privacy concerns.

    But 2004 is over, WA state law was followed to the letter, and Rossi lost.

    As he will in 2008. What will you cry then? Don’t tell me. “Vote fraud.” Just like the sun coming up in the morning.

  76. 88

    Daddy Love spews:

    I have NEVER been a Bush Fan. He’s not a true Conservative and has done a horrible job. Either you have had your head in your ass or you are retarded and like making sh*t up.
    Ask Rog…he’ll tell you.
    I’m not a Republican…I’m a Conservative

    I’ve been reading and commenting here for years, and back before Captain COdpiece completely blew up his credibility and any possible illusions anyone could have been under regardign hsi competence, inteligence, or intentions, there wasn’t a Conservative anywhere who wasn’t SURE that George Bush was their guy, a dyed-in0-the-wool True Conservative was was godlike is his conservative prowess. It sure is funny, but sadly predictable, that his faliure, and the utter falure and repudiation of the Conservative Congress we have been seeing in 2006 and 2008, are being spun as a failre of insufficently conservative men and not a a failure of capital C Conservatism, which of course is true, correct, and perfect always.

    It’s like the old ’30s Left never being able to fathom that totalitarian Russia was indeed a failure of capital C Communism. And today’s conservatives will inhabit the same dustbin of history that Old Left does.