Opening Day Open Thread

I’m heading out now to Safeco Field for the opener. How do you like the M’s chances this year?

Comments

  1. 1

    correctnotright spews:

    If Bedard, Felix and the bullpen can pitch well – and if Sexson and some of the others can hit (a big if) – then they have a shot.

    I like the Mariners chances a lot better than the sonics.

  2. 4

    My Left Foot spews:

    3

    That is the magic of baseball each spring. Due to the injuries that have befallen the Angels pitching staff, the Mariners have an excellent shot at jumping out in front of the American League West. The starting pitching may be one of the top rotations in baseball. But for now, a beer, the green grass and hot dog…..ahhhhhhhhhhh heaven.

  3. 6

    GBS spews:

    MTR unP @ 5:

    So, are you voting for John “White Flag” McCain the Surrender Monkey? You know, the guy who sang like a canary to “Charlie” when subjected to a little robust interrogation?

    You know, the guy who surrendered to America’s enemy on the field of battle during a time of war.

    That old, old fart. Are you voting for the Surrender Monkey?

  4. 7

    GBS spews:

    I can’t wait to make a white flag with the name “John McCain” in bright yellow letters. I’ll be waiving that one around on election day.

    Great fun.

  5. 8

    GBS spews:

    In fact, I think I’ll make one and parade around Fisher Plaza: home of the Cowardice “570th” Surrender Squadron.

  6. 9

    GBS spews:

    It’s coming to me now. White flags with yellow letter:

    John McCain
    Commander of the Surrender Squadron

  7. 10

    GBS spews:

    Does anyone know if the propoganda wizards at KVI can see out of their windows while they’re broadcasting. And if so, where would I need to be for Kirby to see me?

  8. 11

    rhp6033 spews:

    Okay, since it’s an open thread:

    You know you are a Republican when:

    * When your wife shops for a new mattress, she takes the dog.

    * The guard with the news about the governor’s reprieve is carrying a menu.

    * Your doctor says, “Mr. Smith, we received the result of your recent IQ test . . . and I have brought along these finger puppets to help explain what it means.”

    * Your first novel is reviewed in Landfill Finds Monthly.

    * In order for the crossword to come out right, 14 Across has to be “Marie Antoinefte.”

    * The babysitter says, “You mean there were four of them?”

    * The loan officer won’t let you keep the Bic pen with the bank’s name on it.

    * Your fortune cookie says, “Tip 30% for antidote.”

    Source: Shamelessly lifted and altered for satiric purposes from the CarTalk website, at http://www.cartalk.com/content.....03.01.html, which itself appears to have copied it from the Washington Post article “You Know You are a Loser When….”

  9. 12

    rhp6033 spews:

    Also, it appears that neo-con Republicans have taken to Craigslist as a source for their experiments in unrestricted (and unregulated) free-market capitalism, if the following adds are any indication:

    WANTED: HEART SURGEON FOR HALF-DAY GIG. NO PAY.

    HI,

    I NEED A TRIPLE BYPASS SURGERY AND WANT TO HAVE IT DONE A.S.A.P.

    WE DON’T HAVE ANY FUNDS AT THE MOMENT, BUT I’LL HAVE A FRIEND VIDEOTAPE THE WHOLE PROCEDURE, AND YOU CAN HAVE A COPY OF THE TAPE. WE’RE ALSO PLANNING TO PITCH THE IDEA TO SOME HONCHOS AT HBO, SO YOU’LL BE IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!

    NO AMATEURS — EXPERIENCED HEART SURGEONS ONLY!

    BOYFRIEND WITH AC NEEDED

    I AM LOOKING FOR A MODERATELY ATTRACTIVE MAN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 40 WHO HAS AIR CONDITIONING IN HIS BEDROOM.

    THIS WOULD BE FOR JULY AND AUGUST ONLY; HOWEVER, AN INDIAN SUMMER COULD EXTEND OUR RELATIONSHIP.

    FREE TIME MACHINE

    LACK OF FUNDS HAVE COME UP, AND PUT THE SKIDS ON FINISHING MY DREAMS OF BUILDING MY TIME MACHINE. I THINK I HAVE IT ALMOST TOTALLY COMPLETED. I’VE RUN INTO ONE HILL I CAN’T OVERCOME WITH MY SMALL INCOME. THE TIME MACHINE POWERS UP AND RUNS FINE; HOWEVER, THE CRYOSTAYSIS SYSTEM WON’T KICK ON. IF ANYONE OUT THERE WANTS TO TAKE OVER MY DREAMS OF TIME TRAVEL, I WILL BE WILLING TO GIVE THIS UP FOR FREE. I WILL BE SCREENING APPLICANTS.

    SUBJECT: LOOKING TO TRADE MY SOUL FOR A FMI

    MY SOUL IS IN GOOD SHAPE AND HAS SERVED ME WELL FOR 28 YEARS. THE REASON I’M GETTING RID OF IT IS…. I’M CONSIDERING A CAREER IN POLITICS, AND A GOOD SOUL WOULD ONLY BE A HINDERANCE FROM THIS POINT ON.

    Enjoy!

    Source: http://www.cartalk.com/content.....02.23.html

  10. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    The “Heart Surgen’s” add actually appears to be John McCain’s health-care plan.

  11. 14

    rhp6033 spews:

    And finally, if Republicans were race horses, these would be some of their names:

    Average at Best

    Ayn Rand’s Condescending Sigh

    Buyer’s Remorse

    Cloud of Suspicion

    Colic the Wonder Horse

    Daddy Drinks Because I’m Slow

    Exit Strategy

    Fond of Long Naps

    For the Love of God Run Faster

    Glued Lightening

    Hell Is Other Horses

    I Have No Son

    Limp to Victory

    Low Expectations

    Luck o’ the Amish

    Pride of Two Guys with No Business Owning a Horse

    Shoulda Bought a Monkey

    Slim to None

    Some Budding Young Actress’s Fit of Pique

    Squeak of Defiance

    Stupid Gypsy Curse

    This Is Your Horse on Drugs

    Torpor Unbound

    Tipsy McStumble

    Undisguised Contempt for All Things French

    War Criminal

    Source: http://www.cartalk.com/content.....01.26.html (again, slightly modified for satirical purposes).

  12. 15

    GBS spews:

    @ 13:

    Yeah, I saw something about that. In the ad he was much younger and laying in what looked to be a hospital bed. On the wall a caption in Vietnamese said “Crown Prince the Surrender Monkey.”

    I’m guessing it was between 1967 – 1973.

  13. 16

    Rujax! spews:

    Here’s our next President talking (cogently…refreshing ain’t it) about our current economic situation:

    __________________________________________________________

    A free market was never meant to be a free license to take whatever you can get, however you can get it. That’s why we’ve put in place rules of the road: to make competition fair and open, and honest…

    I think that all of us here today would acknowledge that we’ve lost some of that sense of shared prosperity. Now, this loss has not happened by accident. It’s because of decisions made in board rooms, on trading floors and in Washington. Under Republican and Democratic administrations, we’ve failed to guard against practices that all too often rewarded financial manipulation instead of productivity and sound business practice. We let the special interests put their thumbs on the economic scales. The result has been a distorted market that creates bubbles instead of steady, sustainable growth; a market that favors Wall Street over Main Street, but ends up hurting both. Nor is this trend new. The concentrations of economic power and the failures of our political system to protect the American economy and American consumers from its worst excesses have been a staple of our past: most famously in the 1920s, when such excesses ultimately plunged the country into the Great Depression. That is when government stepped in to create a series of regulatory structures, from FDIC to the Glass-Steagall Act, to serve as a corrective, to protect the American people and American business.

    Ironically, it was in reaction to the high taxes and some of the outmoded structures of the New Deal that both individuals and institutions in the ’80s and ’90s began pushing for changes to this regulatory structure. But instead of sensible reform that rewarded success and freed the creative forces of the market, too often we’ve excused and even embraced an ethic of greed, corner cutting, insider dealing, things that have always threatened the long-term stability of our economic system…

    Partial deregulation of the electricity sector enabled (inaudible). Companies like Enron and WorldCom took advantage of the new regulatory environment to push the envelope, pump up earnings, disguise losses and otherwise engage in accounting fraud to make their profits look better, a practice that led investors to question the balance sheets of all companies and severely damaged public trust in capital markets. This was not the invisible hand at work. Instead, it was the hand of industry lobbyists tilting the playing field in Washington as well as an accounting industry that had developed powerful conflicts of interest and a financial sector that had fueled over-investment. A decade later we have deregulated the financial sector and we face another crisis. A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change, because the nature of business had changed. But by the time the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework. And since then we’ve overseen 21st century innovation, including the aggressive introduction of new and complex financial instruments like hedge funds and non-bank financial companies, with outdated 20th century regulatory tools. New conflicts of interest recalled the worst excesses of the past, like the outrageous news that we learned just yesterday of KPMG allowing a lender to report profits instead of losses so that both parties could make a quick buck. Not surprisingly, the regulatory environment failed to keep pace. When subprime mortgage lending took a reckless and unsustainable turn, a patchwork of regulators were unable or unwilling to protect the American people.

    ———————————————————-

    OK bitches…let the caterwauling begin.

    http://slog.thestranger.com/20.....ion_speech

  14. 17

    GBS spews:

    Men’s room stalker
    Jailbird
    Heckuva job Brownie
    Hoof hearted.
    Big debt
    Fuck Freedoms
    And, of course THE all time favorite:
    9/11, 9/11, 9/11

  15. 18

    GBS spews:

    @ 17 just a few more horse names for Republicans.

    But the all time best horse name for Republicans; please give it up for Godly: Horses ASS!!!

  16. 19

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    Tipsy McStumble

    Somebody named their racehorse after the President? He must be so proud!

  17. 20

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    Wide Stance
    Short Bus Express
    My Jockey Isn’t Mexican
    Piss Test Flunker
    Closeted Gay
    Pretzel Attack

    A couple more race horse name suggestions for you ownership society types. More fun than Republican Band Names, eh?

  18. 22

    Puddybud spews:

    [Note -- Edited down to original material, see HA Comment Policy]

    You Know You’re a Donkey When.

    You think John Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.

    You think the rich can get richer off people who have no money.
    - rhp6033 and correctnotright

    You’ve named your kids “Stardust” or “Moonbeam.” – Clueless
    Idiot’s choices

    You’ve tried to argue that all of societies problems are based
    on the fact that McDonald’s, by law, only has to pay $7.55/hr.

    You’ve named your kids with hyphenated first and last names.
    Clueless Idiot strikes again

    You’ve ever referred to someone as a “fascist”, “bigot” or “Nazi”.

    You think that Obama is a flip-flopper, but Heilary is the
    epitome of consistency.

    Modified as needed from http://andrightlyso.com/2004/1.....crat-when/

  19. 23

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Hey Puddy is just like the rest of the republicans. He can’t follow the rules HE HE!

  20. 25

    spews:

    Puddy,

    Sorry…but you posted (1) excessively long material (2) almost completely copied from someone else, and didn’t (3) offer original commentary to go along with the post.

    I don’t enjoy deleting your comments…really. So please try to either (1) keep quoted materials short, or (2) add original twists to the materials (as was done @11, for example), or (3) add some kind of salient commentary around the material.

  21. 26

    Daddy Love spews:

    The Mariners were ahead 2-1 in the seventh or eighth when I tuned away. Their pitching was maybe even a little better than adequate, Bedard did not pitch 6 full innings (I don’t think–certainly not seven), but their run support was poor. Maybe good enough to beat the Rangers, but not the Angels.

    That’s my $.02.

  22. 28

    Puddybud spews:

    ByeByeGOP: Show up sometime and I’ll explain the real use of a wide stance.

    Float like a butterfly… sting like an anvil.

  23. 29

    Daddy Love spews:

    I think the Mariners won 5-1. Looks like the seventh was freakin’ crazy! They lit up the Rangers’ Japanese relief guy.

  24. 32

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Hey did you all see that idiot coward Bush try to throw out the first pitch at the Nationals game? The crowd loudly and roundly booed the fake Prez. And it was significant. It wasn’t a few boos. It was the whole stadium. You republicans must be proud! HEHE!

  25. 33

    Hannah spews:

    @32 – but if you watched the game or even just the video, there was a full standing ovation and alot of cheering. The video blocks out a lot of the cheering and emphasizes the booing. I was shocked he could actually get it over the plate form the mound…at least he can throw a ball! hehehehe maybe he should stick to ball throwing with children!

  26. 34

    Hannah spews:

    The way the M’s played today gives me hope! Bedard had a great game! And JJ finished it off! Gotta love them M’s!

  27. 35

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Yes Hannah lie about what really happened or delude yourself into thinking this is a conspiracy. ESPN played the whole thing. The boos outnumbered the cheers 10-1 and anyone cheering was cheering because it was opening day.

    This must be how republicans end up being republicans. They convince themselves that up is down and down is up and day is night and night is day.

  28. 37

    Hannah spews:

    @35 – Guess I imagined people standing and clapping up when he walked out. Even I would stand and applaud him, I may not agree with the way he has run our country, but out of respect, just as I would a judge I guess, or an elder.

  29. 38

    Mark The Redneck-Patriot spews:

    Hannah 31 – The WASL is a test given by the gummint schools to identify future librul Takers.

    Basically, the test is given in 10th grade and has to be passed by the 12th grade to see if your kid learned the stuff in 8th grade. If they can’t do that, then they are deemed to fucking stoopid to be Conservatives, and therefore must join the parasite librul class.

    It’s really librulism 101. Those who lack the moral character and intelligence to make it in the world must be identified early so they can learn to be victims. That way, they can justify Taking money from the Producers.

    Understand?

  30. 39

    Hannah spews:

    @38 – I am hearing they want to nix the math portion because it’s too hard and the kids aren’t passing it, now I am hearing they want to nix the entire WASL?

    After spending how much money getting the WASL designed, researched and implemented? How much money is being used for a test deemed “too hard on the kids”? Are we cheating the kids by not teaching them the basics they need in the real world?

    Is it just me, or do others notice, young people (25 and under) cannot even count back change without a calculator or PC telling them how much to give? What has happened to our education system here?

  31. 40

    spews:

    @ 39

    How old are you? In all the years I’ve worked in retail, I’ve only once been asked to count back the change. And that was for a little old lady with blue hair.

    Counting back change? What, is this 1947?

  32. 41

    Puddybud spews:

    Will@40, I purposely give more money to the cashier so I can get back a quarter instead of piddly change. You should see the faces of these NEA prodigies. I crack up laughing when they can’t add 16+9 or 17+8 etc.

    When I worked in the restaurant bidness (long time ago), we had to make change cuz the cash registers didn’t give the answer like it does today.

    Try it sometime and report back to Puddy your WillFindings.

  33. 42

    Puddybud spews:

    Hannah, passing the WASL math portion isn’t difficult. Passing the reading portion isn’t difficult. Well if you are ByeByeGOP, maybe you struggled.

    If the student was paying attention they can pass the fractions and the word problems. In fact my chillen passed it in the 90+ percentile. The issue is the culture. Too much time spent on Facebook or Myspace or playing video games. We made them do their homework. I bought those math DVDs advertized on TV for my chillen for supplemental education. It does help.

  34. 43

    Hannah spews:

    Will, when I started working in the late 80′s early 90′s we had to count back change…I’m not THAT old! So are you saying it’s ok for the kids nowadays not to have the basic math skills? It’s ok to throw out standardized tests so we don’t see how little of an education our kids get now?

    Puddy, good for you! Parents are a huge factor in a childs learning, unfortunately alot of parents would rather let the child play on the PC or vid games rather than actually interact with them and teach them.

  35. 44

    Puddybud spews:

    I was sitting here remembering some PuddyMemories and I came across this: http://newsmax.com/headlines/m.....84210.html

    Now Clueless Idiot will make a comment on the source.

    I did a Google on haditha site:horsesass.org and I started reminiscing over the comments from the 15%ERS. Check it out.

    Clueless Idiot – you can stay clueless and an idiot!

  36. 45

    YLB spews:

    44 – Stupes, it just confirms everything I’ve said about you.

    You’re led around by the nose by the scent of right wing bullshit.

    And you’re a 16%er yourself – on the right wing side. See, you wingnuts are always projecting.

    Oh, lastly, I love the “elevated” material you’ve brought to this thread. So “elevated”, Darryl had to hack at it like an ugly weed.

    You’re such a loser and a liar!

  37. 46

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Remember when Papa Bush gave Baby Boy Bush a baseball team and he trashed it? Then he did some backroom dealing and political favor pedaling in order to sell it? And then he went on to bankrupt three other companies that his daddy gave him? I guess you really don’t need to know much to become President!

  38. 47

    rhp6033 spews:

    Will @ 40: Once I was told by a young clerk at McDonalds that he couldn’t take my order because the computer was down. I asked him if he could open the cash drawer. He replied that yes, he could. So I offered cash instead of a credit card. He then explained that he didn’t know how much change to give, without the computer. I taught him how to count back the change. He thought it was the neatist thing he had seen since sliced bread, counting backwards like that. He called his co-workers over, and they all marveled at this neat “new skill” they were learning.

    But all things aside, I have always argued that (a) we do need standardized testing in our public schools, (b) we need to do it at the end of every year, (c) we need a decent summer school program to give kids a chance to catch up on specific subjects if they don’t pass the end-of-year exam, and (d) a High School diploma should mean that you can pass 12 years worth of end-of-year exams, at a minimum.

    I’ve heard lots of complaints about WASL as a test. I don’t have an opinion on that, except that it was a long process to get that test adopted, and we should use it until a better one is approved.

    I don’t agree with the idea to drop the math portion of the WASL – I think it’s a major step backwards.

    But depriving public schools of funding, which is the Republican strategy towards getting rid of them completely, is the wrong answer, also. What we need to compete with students in modern Asia is (a) more money to attract and keep good teachers in the classroom and pay for truly professional services, (b) year-round schooling, (c) teachers unions to depart from the hourly-pay model to a more professional “whatever it takes” salary model, (d) parents, school boards, and our society (generally) to support discipline in the schools, and (e) much higher expectations for student behavior and achievement.

  39. 48

    YLB spews:

    report back to Puddy your WillFindings.

    Will – never take orders from this losing right wing shill.

  40. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    As noted everyone, Clueless Idiot is what he is.

    John Murtha, Clueless Idiot’s hero maligned the Marines. Nuthin from the Clueless Idiot. Also Clueless Idiot, your good friend John Murtha was Porkbusters 2007 Porker of the Year for earmarks. I see he makes your heart proud!

    Go forth and continue to be a Clueless Idiot.

  41. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot@48: It seems rhp6033 agrees with me on making change. Gosh a 16%er making you look as stupid as you naturally are.

    I bet you’d have problems making change like you can’t express yourself on what you “paid” in 2007 for federal taxes. You lack of answers is very telling. Didn’t you “TAKE THE TEST?”

    Waaaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa haaaaa

    Keep up the great work Clueless Idiot, you make the left on this blog proud they have an Idiot such as you as one of their primary faces!

  42. 51

    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: Where are the Republicans

    “depriving public schools of funding”?

    creating a “strategy towards getting rid of them completely”?

    Come one show me da money.

    Wait a minute… Your Clueless Idiot above will call that giving orders.

    Well rhp6033, you made the accusation, lets see the facts.

    These PuddyFacts don’t seem to bear your argument out too much…

    http://www.ed.gov/about/overvi.....istory.pdf

  43. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: Where are the Republicans

    “depriving public schools of funding”?

    creating a “strategy towards getting rid of them completely”?

    Come one show me da money.

    Wait a minute… Your Clueless Idiot above will call that giving orders.

    Well rhp6033, you made the accusation, lets see the facts.

    These PuddyFacts don’t seem to bear your argument out too much…

    www. ed. gov/ about/overview/budget/history/ edhistory.pdf

  44. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot@44: I read both sides of the argument. Always have always will. How can I post from DU or KOS unless I venture into those dens of iniquity and read the pablum posted there?

    Man you are so clueless about life. God aptly had you named Clueless Idiot and by golly it fits to a tee.

  45. 54

    YLB spews:

    50 – Uhhh. Stupes, rhp’s comments about change have NOTHING to do with you citing right wing bullshit.

    I’m glad you brought up taxes. In the previous thread I pointed to your hero Scaife who funded NEWSMAX who you cited in this thread.

    You said your said your hero was Jesus.

    So why are you and people like Cynical so obsessed how much money people make?

    You worship Mammon Stupes. Naughty, naughty!

  46. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot: It has nothing on what people make. The argument put forth by your side is tax the rich, tax the rich.

    Well in previous PuddyFacts: I put forth the argument one of the reasons California is in financial straights is over the past few years their tax the rich strategy has sent 5000 MILLIONAIRES packing for other states.

    So much for taxing the rich you fool. People who make money pay taaaaaaaaaaaaxes. People who don’t have their hand out. By you not admitting you pay taxes here proves you are one of those handout people MTR-XXX loves to talk about. You provide ample proof you are the HA Clueless Idiot every day in every way.

    Where does Scaife have anything to do with you paying taxes or the paying taxes argument? Another non sequitur to the taxes argument elevated by your Clueless Idiot mind.

  47. 56

    Puddybud spews:

    Many moons ago I said it was hard to debate Your Clueless Idiot. He claims answering a debate topic is giving him orders.

    As stated he is Your Clueless Idiot HAers.

  48. 58

    YLB spews:

    54 – Yep, any group of people who can justify hiring pricy people to minimize their taxes should probably be paying more taxes.

    Someone’s going to have to pay for expensive mistakes like Iraq. It’s not going to be us poor shlubs in the middle and working classes who haven’t had a raise in thirty years and have sent our wives and kids to work just to tread water.

    People like Scaife have everything to do with the state this country is in. By citing the bullshit he funds, you just dig the hole deeper for yourself.

    Thanks for mentioning that bet welshing loser as well. You, Cynical, MTR – you’re all about greed and worshipping money. Fine – you pay for those fucking wars and war toys you love.

  49. 59

    correctnotright spews:

    @51: Puddy – I actually agree on the Math ideas.

    I think the WASL (instituted due to NCLB from the Bush adminsitration)has been a mistake. I think teachers are “teaching to the test” as opposed to fostering real learning.
    I also don’t like the type of “discovery, IMP, Integrated” math that some schools are teaching – the kind where the book doesn’t even have the equations and you can’t figure out the questions through the verbiage – that isn’t math – that is english.

    Sorry – but that kind of math should only be an option for kids who can’t do the regular math. We should be doing the singapore math or other methods that involve practice versus only the discovery approach. Not to say that that approach can’t be effective for some students – but it dumbs down the brightest students and they don’t have the practice to really do computation anymore.

    Oh – and there are plenty of older people who can’t add and subtract either. My bigger beef is people who can’t use statistics in the right way and don’t even know they are screwing it up.
    People who think an uncontrolled study is somehow relevant or an association (people with hernias) means causation (are more likely to have hip fractures) – so hernias cause hip fractures (NOT!).

    This also happens even in the Medical community – yesterdays Seattle Times had an article on how Vytorin – a combination statin drug plus Zetia lowered cholesterol more than statin alone but did not prevent plaque formation any better.

    This information has been out for a while – the medical community is using the wrong standard of care (cholesterol level) to prescribe statins – they protect from heart disease due to their anti-inflammatory effects – NOT the cholesterol effects. Most of what people have been told about cholesterol is simply wrong. Total cholesterol is not a great indicator of heart disease – and neither is LDL/HDL levels. Even the subtypes of high density LDL are good – but none are as good as constant hsCRP measurements.

    I am wating for Seattle Jew to “weigh in” on this one.

  50. 61

    correctnotright spews:

    If we were really committed to education we would spend more on it – as capitalists – we put our money where our priorities are:

    Nothing is more important than an educated workforce to be competitive in the world. Less than 50% of kids in cities graduate from high school – we are failing!

    Our class sizes are close to the worst in the industrialized countries.

    We spend less on education than most other countries.

    We spend more on defense that the rest of the world combined.

    We glorify sports instead of academics.

  51. 62

    YLB spews:

    I put forth the argument one of the reasons California is in financial straights is over the past few years

    Your argument as usual is BULLSHIT. Proposition 13 is why CA is in the state it’s in. Hell my own Mom probably never paid more than a grand a year on the house she bought in ’73 for 52 grand and then sold a few years back for almost 800 grand.

    And people like my mom were small potatoes. Commercial real estate got away with murder.

    Warren Buffet saw through all that! What Schwarzenneger do? Jack shit.

    The state has to go somewhere for funding and until CA fixes property taxes to resemble something fair, yes things will be totally screwed up down there.

  52. 63

    Puddybud spews:

    correctnotright: We should revert back to math taught in schools when SeattleJew and I were in school. That was math taught right. There were no calculators, slide rules were only used in certain situations and math was math. In fact we wuz so poor I could only look at a kid who had a slide rule in envy. Bet the Philly burb boyz had them though.

    I posted a PuddyFact where we (THE US) were in Math and Science in the 60s when I was in school; 4th or 5th. Ever since the NEA has made school a politically correct haven; we can’t “embarrass” the Clueless Idiots because they’ll feel bad, we’ve dumbed down the curriculum. Now we are in the high 20s in math skillz.

    My younger son took the real hard math in high school. Can you figger it out Clueless Idiot or was geometry your last math class. Let me help you Clueless Idiot. Calculus. He’s taking easy math in college (same stuff) cuz he said it helps pad his freshman cum. I really can’t blame him cuz the university allows students to do that.

  53. 64

    YLB spews:

    My younger son took the real hard math in high school.

    Was that an “NEA” school? Or a pricey private school the rich guys you suck up to send their kids?

    and fuck you again – I took chem, physics and calculus in my “NEA” public high school.

  54. 66

    Puddybud spews:

    Ahhh Clueless Idiot, playing the Donkey inequality playbook again. Operative words are you took.

    Butt, did you pass? Funny how you managed to skip those words…

    Fuck me – Sorry I don’t do male needle dicks!

    Tell you what Clueless Idiot… answer the tax question put forth by Cynical and I’ll tell you if I sent my chillen to private school.

    Deal? Oops… did I just give Clueless Idiot an order.

  55. 67

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot. – Prop 13 passed by de peeples. And a liberal SCOTUS upheld it.

    And your point again was…?

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    correctnotright spews:

    I went to inner city public school (12% Caucasian in my HS – the rest various minorities (more than 70% African American)) – I took Calculus for two years and got a 5 on the AP exam. Also did the same for physics.

    I was the exception at my school….lots of kids were just there to get through school or drop out. Lots of drugs and gangs. Some kids wanted to try – but had no support at home and no place to even study if they wanted to.

    Could have gone to private school – but I believe in public aducation. We need to fix the class size, pay teachers more and get back to basics in the classroom.

  57. 69

    YLB spews:

    Butt, did you pass?

    I did Butthead with A’s and B’s – not that it’s any of your fucking business.

    As for the private school – keep it to your miserable self.

  58. 70

    Daddy Love spews:

    44 Pud

    Yes, that fact that charges were dropped against a Marine at Haditha is proof they didn’t do anything wrong. Uh-huh.

    Soldiers never murder anyone and cops are never brutal, and no one ever covers up for any of them.

  59. 71

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #67 correctnotright says:

    Could have gone to private school – but I believe in public aducation

      
    Just my opinion, you would have gotten a better Education at a private school.

  60. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow Clueless Idiot throws much stuff on this board, and when he’s questioned he runs, he runs.

    Such a Clueless Idiot.

  61. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    Correctnotright: I was only allowed to take calculus and AP chemistry because you needed to have master degreed teachers and they were not in high quantity.

    Clueless Idiot: Where did I say or not say my chirren went to public or private school? You make many incorrect Clueless Idiot assumptions.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    If Puddy wants numbers, he will have to wait for the weekend, when I have time to compile them for his benefit. Assuming I don’t have another weekend like the last one. (Home computer network, kitchen faucet, car seat all broke within 24 hours. Ever have the driver’s seat back break while you are on the freeway? Suddenly lying flat on your back, looking at the dome light while traveling 60 MPH is a disturbing experience. Trying to fix it Sunday night, with auto parts stores closing momentarily and clerk’s not knowing anything about car repair is frustraiting). Also assuming I don’t have to board a plane for Japan on Friday, which appears to be a possibility.

    But just for starters, let’s point out that in most other industrialized nations in Europe and Asia, teachers are paid very well, well above the average age for college-educated professionals. Of course, they also have year-round school.

    Let’s also point out that under Rossi’s budget when he was in the state legislature, teacher’s pay raises and minimum class sizes were reversed – even though those raises were in response to a voter initiative which mandated them.

    Let’s also point out that a Republican Party agenda for years (or decades) has been to de-fund the public schools through tuition vouchers for private education.

    And I’ve said it before, but I will repeat it again. My mother was a teacher. By the time I was in junior high, I was helping her grade high school English papers at the kitchen table at night. From an early age I went with her to high school football, basketball, volleyball games because she knew the students and could identify anyone who was causing trouble in the stands. When she died of cancer at age 56, she was the department head, which is about as high as you can go and still teach. So I know a little bit about the problems teachers deal with in public schools.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    Mis-type: Should have read: “…well above the average for college-educated professionals.”

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    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: I posted the actual budget numbers for the US Education Department from 1980 – 2008. Either you are daft or just plain stupid. Which is it?

    I have cousins who are teachers and principals so we can compare stories.

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    spews:

    @70
    Just my opinion, you would have gotten a better Education at a private school.

    If you went to private school, I beg to differ.

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    YLB spews:

    Where did I say or not say my chirren went to public or private school?

    I made no assumptions. There you go again. Making shit up.

    I don’t care to know now. Keep it to yourself.

    I’d ask you to STFU about “NEA” schools but I know better than that.

  67. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Dufus Idiot@79: Deez your words “As for the private school – keep it to your miserable self.”

    Golldy Clueless Idiot, you can’t remember what you wrote earlier?

  68. 82

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot: You don’t want to know because if you ask me the public/private school question you would prove to all what you really are regarding paying taxes:

    A MISERABLE ASS.

    LMAO

    No BOLMAO

    No ROTFLMAO

    No ROTFLMBBAO – Yeah!

  69. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot: Did you see one of your favorite sites TPMMuck has Newsmax ads?

    You are the Clueless Idiot Link – Goodbye!

  70. 85

    YLB spews:

    LMAO!!! I don’t take orders from you Stupes!

    When are you going to figure that one out?

    TPMMuck takes Newsmax? Great!

    Scaife wasted 2 million in Arkansas, he can help progressive media too as long as they don’t take orders from him.

    I won’t click on your link Stupes. I don’t do your bidding. It was probably one of your right wing peeps trolling.

    You’re such a loser!

  71. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    Clueless Idiot: You are too blind to see how you are running away from the tax debate. Very telling about your psyche. Too bad you make no attempt to dissuade others from my argument about you. You are their Clueless Idiot. I guess everyone needs a mascot and you wear the HA mascot title well. My next visit to HA at DL will discuss this about you.

    Keep LYAO. You don’t engage. You don’t debate. You don’t answer the tough questions.

    You throw up useless strawmans. You deliver non sequiturs. You run run run from questions about your life. You deliver nothing to any argument except the standard vitriol.

    Oh yeah any question about your positions are orders. Stay ignorant. Everyone can see from your posts just how ignorant you are. I posted an alternatives fuel debate in another thread. It’s over your head so I know you’ll skip over it. You bring the firepower of a lit birthday cake candle to an argument where I’m delivering 5-1,000,000 candlepower lights to the table which are blinding you.

    Clueless Idiot. Never changes always stays the same.