Open Thread – News Update

April 17, 2008 – LOS ANGELES – Fox News channel is debuting a new show next week called “Fox’s PC Police.” The half-hour show will be a daily recap of all the groups who have recently been offended by Barack Obama. Hosted by Michelle Malkin, the first week of shows covers how Obama has offended Amway salesmen, CPAs, the University of Utah field hockey team, John Wayne’s ghost, KLM stewardesses, and Brit Hume’s cat “Whiskers.”

The show will also feature several other daily and regular segments.

John Gibson will frequently join Malkin in the studio in order to show clips of Jeremiah Wright’s sermons and to explain how Bill Cosby would lecture Wright on how to be a civilized black person.

Brent Bozell III will host a segment called “Panties in a Bunch” where he will point out how Satan’s influence is destroying your children through your television set.

And finally, Charles Krauthammer and Bill Donohue will have a daily debate called “The Victim-Off,” where the two men argue over whether American Jews or American Catholics are the most persecuted people on the planet. The only thing they will agree on is that African-Americans, Palestinians, and gays have absolutely no reason to be angry and should stop playing the victim card all the time.

Now that the show has been previewed by select members of the press, the show already has a higher viewership than The Glenn Beck Program.


  1. 1


    Souns just RIGHT1

    I also understand that ABC’s parent company is suing Obama for trademark violation in regard to the similarity of his ears to Mickey’s.

    In the second episode of the new series, they plan to have a chug-a-lug contest between the candidates sponsored by Budweiser .. the beer syou can trust.

    The third episode will feature the candidates spouses and will discuss bedroom sexual practices.

  2. 3

    Daddy Love spews:

    Oh, right–this is open. OK, then, John McBush is an idiot.

    First, he promises to veto any bill that contains anything that the Congressional Research Service (CRS) deems to be an “earmark.”

    Immediately afterward, not-stupid people realize that all US aid to Israel and Egypt are deemed by the CRS to be earmarks.

    John McBush immediately releases a statement that he “will bring wasteful spending under control, and he will ensure America remains committed to the security of Israel, including maintaining America’s assistance levels.”

    Until the next interest group screams. Then he’ll cave. Again. Because he’s such a “maverick.”

    The problem with not having a plan or any understanding of the government or economic policy is that you end up making hasty and badly-thought out promises to “cut spending.”

    The problem with making hasty and badly-thought out promises to “cut spending” is that when you have to get down the the real details of the spending you’d ACTUALLY cut, the many people who FAVOR government programs get pissed off when they hear you’re cutting the ones they like.

    Wait ’til he tells us what he REALLY wants to do with Social Security. Wow! Should be a good show.

  3. 4

    Puddybud spews:

    You know sometimes the Huffington Post does the body good:

    “Hillary Clinton On Southern Working Class Whites In 1995: “Screw ‘Em””

    “During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

    But a telling anecdote from her husband’s administration shows Hillary Clinton’s attitudes about the “lunch-bucket Democrats” are not exactly pristine.

    In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

    “Screw ‘em,” she told her husband. “You don’t owe them a thing, Bill. They’re doing nothing for you; you don’t have to do anything for them.””

    I love it. I also remember, when Pelletizer made his impassioned plea for Heilary. Puddy remembers it all.

  4. 5

    Puddybud spews:

    SeattleJew: How is a 7-2 decision on capital punishment a splintered decision? Read the first paragraph and tell me the liberal MSM who is against CP doesn’t frame a story with their personal swill?

    PuddyComment – Pain on the death row inmate. Give me a break. He/she didn’t care about their crime victims pain or the surviving family members pain. I just love this feel good society we live in…

    I know HAs clueless idiot will have sumtin stupid to say…, as always.

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    WASHINGTON – U.S. executions are all but sure to resume soon after a nationwide halt, cleared Wednesday by a splintered Supreme Court that approved the most widely used method of lethal injection.

    Are you at the catnip again?

  6. 7

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    This primary presents real problems for the limp-dick right.

    They can’t decide to give into their natural racist/kkk tendencies and attack Obama because he’s black – or whether they should give into their natural sexist tendencies and attack Clinton.

    It’s pretty funny to watch them flap in the wind.

    Once we have a nominee – whoever it is – we’ll see if the right is able to defend JohnMcBush and his affairs, his involvement with the Keating Five, his medical problems, his temper, his shady dealings with lobbyists who know his wife, his time spent helping the enemy in Viet Nam, his refusal to open up his tax records, his flip-flopping on every major issue and his war mongering.

    Should be fun.

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    YLB spews:

    5 – Did you know referring to yourself in the third person is a sign of being cracked?

    Seek medical attention.

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    Good to see you here. NOW I uderstand your brand of dry humor!

    Are any of the other cast memebrs stilla round?

    from Wiki

    As a humanoid cat, he exhibits the qualities of coolness, vanity, and alo
    ofness. He loves to dress well in extravagant clothing, and to dance and scream like James Brown. He often carries a mirror and is meticulous about his appearance. His first words in Episode 1 are: “How am I looking? I’m looking nice!”. He rarely calls his crewmates by name, preferring to call Kryten “Novelty Condom Head” or “Half-Eaten Lollipop Head”; Rimmer “Goalpost Head”, “Alphabet Head”, or “Trans-Am Wheel Arch Nostrils”; Lister “Buddy”, “You Stupid Monkey”, “Dormouse Cheeks” or “Gerbil-Face”; and Kochanski “Officer Bud-Babe” (“Officer BB” for short).

    For those who do not come to DL, I have found a brief video of Puddy’s recent visit:

  9. 12

    Puddybud spews:

    Damn, SeattleJew – My web identity was supposed to be a secret. That was when I was in my crazy 70’s stage. The bow-ties are only worn now with tuxes. Darn you… I will get you lata.


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    Puddybud spews:

    SeattleJew: Thanks for the warning… As always, vigilant in the classroom and in the blogroom.

    You are not the missing link!

  11. 17

    Puddybud spews:

    You know SeattleJew, there is an updated picture of me. You can find it if you search hard. I know you were making a statement by showing my 70s outlandish style.

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    Actually, Danny, I di not want to alarm folks by showing you as yuo appeared on Tuesday. Some things are better left between consenting adults.

    de gustibus non fresse.

  13. 19

    Guy spews:

    I was half way through this piece before realizing the satire. Entirely too believable, which says too much about our current state. Sigh

  14. 20

    Blue John spews:

    Summation of the debate last night.
    Hussain Obama, if that is your real name, when did you stop being an Marxist Afro-Islamic terrorist?
    Senator Hillary, would you like another latte?

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    "Hannah" spews:

    @19 – Ya gotta get to know these two on these threads before taking theor joking around seriously! :)

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    Actually, it was NOT a joke.

    ABC will announce next week that they will replace their evening news show with:

    ELECTION O* “OB vs McC”
    a reality series.

    The whole thing will take place in the United States of America. Jeremiah Wright and Sean hannity will cohost.

    Ralph Nader and Gary Bauer have agreed to forego public financing in return for support from ABC for their campaigns.

    At the end of eacvh weeks’ shows, there will be a debate between the Ragin Cajun and his wife as to who won.

  17. 23

    Rujax! spews:

    the puddybitch..the great christianist…just can’t wait to start killing again.

    Just like that fabulous passage in the book of St. Ronnie where the Christ pulled the lever and hung that guy.

    Precious stuff.

  18. 24

    Puddybud spews:

    The difference between me and rujax! is I have a brain, and I use it to side with the surviving victim and the victim’s family, be it murder (well the victim died), rape, arson, etc.

    He sides with the perp, be it murder, rape, arson, etc. Hence he was on the illegal latino’s side who killed the high school football star in South Central LA just for walking home. What an ASS.

    Thanks for playing rujax!

  19. 25

    Harold spews:

    Where’s the seething anger post from Goldy defending Obama from ABC? Doesn’t Goldy know that’s what all the other cool lefty bloggers are writing about today.

  20. 26

    Puddybud spews:

    hey rujax! since you’ve never opened a Bible in your life, how would you know what Jesus said or did?

    I bet rujax! doesn’t own a Bible. But in the off-chance he does, I bet there’s multi-years worth of collected dust!

  21. 27

    slingshot spews:

    There’s a rumour out there that WWE Wrestlemania will host the next “debate”. Details are sketchy at this point, but it’s claimed that at least one of the candidates will spit fire while leaping from the corner ropes swan-dive style to pin the other to the mat. Whew! Who needs substance when ya got action? Hannity, in a Borat onesey is purported to be acting as the referee.

  22. 28

    Rujax! spews:

    blah blah blah blah blah….

    the puddybitch…the fake follower of the christ…the fucking hypocrite…

    OH! another of my favorite parts in the book of st. ronnie was when thee christ guy said…”Hey…forget that crap about forgivness…I didn’t mean THAT…” and then: “Kill ‘em! Kill ‘em before they kill you! THAT’S what I REALLY meant!”

    Ahhhhhh…good times!

  23. 30

    Rujax! spews:

    Or how ’bout…”make sure all the babies get born…and then fukkin’ forget anout ‘em.”

    That christ guy….what a pragmatist…a visionary!

    Then it says “so sayest the lord to st. ronnie…especially if they’re brown or black…because THESE are the least of my bretheren”…

    I just “puddle-up” everytime I read that.

  24. 31

    Rujax! spews:

    Oh by the way jerk-off…reading the Bible is a great way to see how far you and your fucking hypocritical “Prayer-Warriors” and your Mars Hill Cult-Leaders and all the rest of your phony religionists get from the REAL Christ message…

    LOVE! LOVING your fellow man. They’ll know we are Christians by the LOVE we show to EVERYONE. “Love the Father with your whole heart and soul and LOVE your neighbor as YOURSELF”! (Didn’t Jesus say those were the two and the only two new commandments?)

    Not quite as sexy as “the gays are taking over the world…so they need to burn in hell”…or…”Let’s kill the criminals even if they’re innocent…shit…they probably did something wrong sometime.”

    You stupid motherfucker!!!!!!!!

    You piss me off, you fucking jerk.

  25. 33

    delbert spews:

    I love watching the shock when the same rules you’ve been playing with suddenly get applied to you.

    Hillary must be seething at the injustice of having a more left-wing opponent.

    Obama must be sitting somewhere – pouting – saying, “but the media loves me, how could they do this to ME?”

  26. 35


    Odd. Puddy and I manage to disagree on two issues, using the same book as our most basic reference.

    Saving the abortion debate for another day, (one day, Puddy, we need to sit down over lunch and have a very interesting debate about that), I’ll take on the capital punishment topic.

    I’m against it.

    Before anyone chimes in here, I should point out that yes, I have discussed this with my family, and left specific instructions that they should not seek the death penalty on my behalf. We are all in agreement, and had the discussion now, as if (God forbid) it should ever happen, that time of anger and grief is not the time to be making what is literally a life-or-death decision.

    Mind you, wingnuts, I differentiate between using deadly force in self-defense and the death penalty. Folks claiming that I have just opened myself to potential attackers should know that while I don’t shoot first, I do shoot back, and I’m a pretty good shot, for an old Sailor.

    Even there, however, the intent is not to kill, and the best use of deadly force is as a deterrent.

    So, Puddy. We are taught that we are only forgiven to the extent we forgive others. How, then, can we call for revenge, even on behalf of another?

    Lock them up, as they are a danger to themselves and others. I can forgive someone while still recognizing them as a danger.

    But even in prison, a person can repent and contribute something to society. They can learn, change and become a decent person.

    As Christians, we don’t consider death to be that big a deal, after all. But dying angry, hostile, self-centered and unrepentant is another thing entirely.

    So, how can we advocate doing that to even the worst, most evil person imaginable? That person’s harm will end, and the damage they did will heal eventually, no matter how terrible it was.

    As Christians, we must hold out hope that the person will repent, and give that person every opportunity. The choice will, of course, be theirs. But how can we advocate anything that would cut short their opportunity to repent?

    Don’t kill ‘em. If you kill ‘em, they don’t learn nothin’” – Jim Carrey as “the Riddler”.

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    Rujax! spews:

    You know Barelli…in the Lord’s Prayer…I don’t know if you read much Emmitt Fox, but he has an excellent treatment of this in “The Sermon On The Mount”…but the phrase is:

    “Forgive us our trepasses AS we forgive those who trespass against us.”

    Pretty cut and dried. If we do not forgive…we, ourselves, cannot be forgiven.

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    My point exactly. We have this nasty tendency to parse sections of the Bible, looking for things that follow our personal preferences, while ignoring plain, simple instructions.

    Mind you, conservatives aren’t the only folks guilty of this. Liberal Christians must watch out for this tendency as well. There are other subjects that cause me far more trouble than this one.

  29. 38

    His Holiness Richard Pope spews:

    Get your Bobblehead Popes here:

    While waiting for the auctions to wind down, let’s get together for a group hug, some s’mores, lots of shots with beer chasers, and a chorus of ‘Vatican Rag’ by a nice Jewish boy named Tom Lehrer: Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect.

  30. 39


    Ok, Richard. Point taken. Enough preaching.

    (Isn’t it amazing how Mr. Lehrer’s songs still seem so topical? Perhaps we should use “Send the Marines” as the new theme song for the Republican party.)

  31. 40

    Sloop John B. spews:

    Got to your cite sites, John Hussein Barelli, then re-referred to your seminal post about right wingers who “keep trying” to tie Senator Obama to Saddam Hussein by (how crass!) mentioning that Senator Obama has a middle name.

    It’s the ‘keep trying’ part that troubled me. Senator Obama’s middle name was mentioned frequently, about two months ago, when Bill Cunningham grabbed a bullhorn. Those many mentions, from right-wingers and left-wingers and incensed middle roaders, were in direct reference to the Cunningham incident. I know of nobody from any wing who “kept trying” to beat Obama’s name like a drum.

    Until I checked your link to Michael Savage, April 2008. Assuming that Cunningham (KVI Sunday) still reflexively intones Senator Obama’s middle name, then you have more than one outlier and you have a case. You were right about The Right. You did not lie.

    This is particularly troubling for me because I keep trying to use the middle name of John Heinz-Kerry. I know it’s wrong; I know that I’m subliminably (GWB spelling) trying to link John Heinz-Kerry to the discredited director of the VA during Harding’s administration, but I keep trying to say “John Forbes Heinz-Kerry”. And it’s got to stop. Have enrolled in a 12-step program, and will send you a status report.

  32. 41

    The Dead As Ronbo Republican Revolution spews:

    ‘Said’ that my ears are well-tuned to the Right, then noted that there’s much of the Right I can’t listen to without having my ears bleed. That’s why Savage flew under the radar.

    But trust me: nobody sane keeps trying to blow the Barack Hussein Obama riff, except, perhaps, stealth Hillary shills … the people who started the story about Obama attending a Madrassa in Indonesia (have heard that Fox recycled that canard via Clinton’s camp), or the photo of Senator Obama, in a village in Kenya, wearing Osama headdress.

    The reason that nobody sane keeps trying to link Barack Hussein Obama to Saddam Hussein is that most of us have MovedOn to better Bitter scandals, if you get my drift. While I grab my gun and grip my Bible and grind my grudges.

    Anyway, BitterGate has a few more days to run, after last night, and did I mention the Religious Wright? Of the TUCC? In the U.S. of KKK?

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    Hang on, Sloopy. I like that song. Oh, and my middle name is “Paul”, just in case you need to use it.

    Certainly Ann Coulter continues to beat the “Hussein” drum, as does Debbie Schlussel and yes, dear old Mr. Savage.

    Additionally, right wing organizations have been doing so. Most recently was an article from “Family Security Matters” was working it, and Michael Gaynor (who has appeared as a guest on Fox News) did an article for “The Conservative Voice” that highlighted the middle name.

    As for Senator Kerry. My understanding is that his middle name is “Forbes”. Perhaps not a big improvement over “Heinz” in the eyes of some, but if you must slam someone for his or her middle name, you might want to at least try to get it right.

  34. 45

    Oxy Rush Limbaugh spews:

    The Barack Hussein Obama name game didn’t start with Bill Cunningham’s liturgical incantation of the name Barack Hussein Obama, a name that nobody on the Right keeps trying to recite as Barack Hussein Obama in an attempt to remind listeners that the name Barack Hussein Obama is eeriely reminiscent of a name that, to the untrained ear, sounds eerily like Barack Hussein Obama.

    The Barack Hussein Obama name game began when Rush Limbaugh referred to the junior senator from Illinois as ‘Osama Obama.’ Stephanie Miller was not amused.

    Stephanie Miller, not amused, failed to note that Limbaugh’s source for the name Osama Obama was Obama supporter Ted Kennedy. Ted Kennedy said it first. On tape. A tape that Limbaugh played and replayed. Is it possible that Senator Kennedy was trying to link Senator Obama to, oh, um …..

  35. 46

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Liberals and Their Invisible Homophobia
    It’s not just homophobia from conservatives we have to worry about. Liberals can be just as baldly antigay — often without reproach.
    This gay publication calls out;
    bill richardson for using the word faggot.
    john edwards for “not being comfortable around those people”
    donnie mcclurkin on the obama campaign. (gay people are trying to kill our children)
    pete stark for “little fruitcake” comment to gay congressman
    in 2007, Alterman said, “Look, the word ‘faggot’ … is a word one hears in private conversation quite frequently; she [ann coulter calling edwards a faggot] just said it in public.” Makes one wonder what sort of company Alterman keeps.
    It does make one wonder what is being said when the liberals are alone.

  36. 47

    His Holiness Richard Pope spews:

    Contrary to rumor, the communion wine at this morning’s baseball-stadium Mass was not spiked with steroids.

  37. 48



    Yep, trust a Republican to take a good idea and make it more expensive.

    The Federal government has been running the most cost-effective health insurance program in existence (Medicare) for years. It’s certainly not perfect, but it works pretty well.

    Of course, that was a Democratic program. LBJ signed that one.

  38. 49

    itchy PayPal finger spews:

    Sloop John B is not Sloopy Hang On. Not, at least, to the Beach Boys.

    At the bottom of my bottomless post is John Kerry’s middle name, Forbes. Charlie Forbes was a Harding-era felon. “John Heinz-Kerry” was my feeble attempt at condiment humor at Teresa’s expense, an expense she can afford because of her convenient marriage to Senator Heinz. A marriage not nearly as convenient as John Forbes Kerry’s marriage to a billion dollars. He learned well the art of marrying up and well.

  39. 50

    Don We Now Our Gay Apparel spews:

    Well nowwwww … From ‘typical white person’ to ‘bitter people clinging to religion’ to ‘little fruitcakes.’

    That means that pretty much the whole damn Democrat coalition is despised by Democrats. Dig it.

  40. 51

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    ANA MARIE COX, WASHINGTON EDITOR, TIME.COM: I agree with Jake that I don’t know if you can say that it was just “Saturday Night Live” or, you know, the Clinton communications team getting on the phone and saying, why don’t you do your job? Which they do literally say.
    Not often do you hear someone one on the left admit the “liberal media” was under the control of the clintons.
    It appears the fracturing of the democrat party is proving conservatives right. I’m sure there aren’t any democrats that still disagree with conservatives that the clintons have a truth problem.

  41. 52

    Sic Sic Sic! spews:

    “(T)he most cost-effective health insurance program in existence (Medicare) … “?!

    That’s a LIE! (Oops … that just slipped out. Don’t want to go THERE again, do we …)

    Medicare appears to be cost effective (low overhead!) because it abrogates enforcement costs. Posted an HA link several months ago to an NPR report about Medicare fraud, estimated at $70 billion each year. Most of that fraud is in the form of fraudulently contracted equipment and services, a problem for which there are no Medicare overhead costs for enforcement because there is no enforcement.

    In addition, the true cost of Medicare is not realized in current budgets; the cost is shifted to the future. Recent Comptroller General David Walker calcs the unfunded liabilities of Medicare at c. $40 trillion, with a T. That’s almost real money. Just imagine the dandy little war we could run on a tab like that.

    Unfunded liabilities are liabilities for which there are no funds. Fundless Medicare exceeds by a multiple of three or four the value of America’s economy.

  42. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    I was out and about so now I’m back.

    So I’ll start first with Pastor Barelli.

    Yes it says to forgive. But God also said there are consequences to your sins. Hence David had to deal with the consequences of doing Bathsheba and killing Uriah. Saul had to deal with the consequences of starting the sacrifice without Samuel and he didn’t utterly slaughter all the people as he was told. We all know the rest of the story on both accounts. This is where I differ with you John. Jesus told Mary and the Leper to go and sin no more. Remember He sent many demons out of Mary.

    Sin has consequences. Why did Jesus when the Pharisees (sorry SeattleJew – I need to make my point) tried to catch him on taxes said Give unto Caesar Casaer’s and Give unto God God’s? There are laws of the land to follow as well as laws of God to follow. This is lost on the puny little brain of rujax! Consequences. Remember that John.

  43. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Now onto the moronic substance called rujax!.

    rujax! I support my fellow man in one year than you do in 10 years. So STFU when you try and smear me with not supporting babies. We have multiple adopted children in various Christian charities all over the world butthead. You of all people should never act holier than thou. I send more money in one month than you do in a year on these kids.


    I complain when the children are born out of wedlock in the inner city and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nary a peep to say. When Bill Cosby speaks up these “black leaders” tear him a new ASShole!

    Did you know a child has a 4x less likely chance of being in crime when there are two parents in the home? Probably not cuz you are an ignorant ASS.

  44. 55

    rhp6033 spews:

    37: Agreed. So many (left and right) spend their time looking for a God, Church, or interpretation of the Bible which agrees with them (as they are), rather than changing their beliefs to conform with God.

  45. 56

    Ready when you are, JB spews:

    Couldn’t open Ann on this chopped & channeled machine, but Debbie’s report is just a straight-ahead report.

    So tell us, JB: Have we launched into a brave new Oscar-Wilde era with a name that dare not speak its name? I mean, is it now and in the future not permissible to note the middle name of a candidate? Is that a provision of McCain/Feingold, with its chilling effect on free speech, that we missed? Is ‘Diane’ off the table? ‘Stanley’? Fitzgerald? Baines? Milhous? As in David Milhous Goldstein?

  46. 57

    Rujax! spews:

    What awesome right-wing wacko think tank ya get yer stats from puddydumbshit.

    Look I know you’re a good hearted moron.

    But you’re STILL a moron.

  47. 60

    SeattleJew spews:


    . But God also said there are consequences to your sins. Hence David had to deal with the consequences of doing Bathsheba and killing Uriah. Saul had to deal with the consequences of starting the sacrifice without Samuel and he didn’t utterly slaughter all the people as he was told. We all know the rest of the story on both accounts.

    leaving aside your acceptance of folk tails from the Roamn Church, why would you pay any attention to folk tales of my people? Jews ..presumably including your Jesus and Paul, have nver claimed that these stories about the kings were divine truth.

    Seesm to me that your founding in religion is about ona par with the Mormons except they at least CLAIM an agngel certified the golden plates. What representative of your deity has certified these folks stories of our fouding kings?

    Sin has consequences. Why did Jesus when the Pharisees (sorry SeattleJew – I need to make my point) tried to catch him on taxes said Give unto Caesar Casaer’s and Give unto God God’s? There are laws of the land to follow as well as laws of God to follow. This is lost on the puny little brain of rujax! Consequences. Remember that John.

    and your puny brain? Why would the Pharisses WHO PREACHED EXACTLY THIS, but were oppsed to the Roamsn give a shit what Jesus said? Why would the Romans care what the Pharisees said?

    Look if yuou want to look to revelation for inspiration, besides what I might reveal, you at least need to show some discrimination on what you will and will not accept.

  48. 61

    Rujax! spews:

    Oh…that’s mighty big oof you to ENJOY helping the less fortunate.

    What a great human being you must be.

  49. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    Sorry SeattleJew, as I said before I believe in the Bible. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. He said the words of the prophets are fulfilled by His arrival.

  50. 65

    Puddybud spews:

    rujax!@61, and you don’t help your fellow man. So how can you judge when you sit on your fat ASS and don’t move a finger?

  51. 66

    Rujax! spews:

    Yeah…SORRY S.J….

    Looks like all you Descendants of Moses will be partying in Hades with the likes of ME!!!

    Bring mixer!!!!

  52. 67

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW rujax!, I changed over to a conservative in the 1996 election cycle. Too many Clinton lies in his first admin.

    So you can quit the st. ronnie stuff cuz it doesn’t apply. But I said this before and your puny mind missed it or forgot. You can search this blog as I said it after 1 Feb 2008.

    Good hunting mofo!

  53. 70

    Ready when you are, JB spews:

    Send the Marines:

    A short list of Democrat wars since 1908 –

    Mexico (Wilson); Nicaragua (Wilson); Haiti (Wilson, Clinton); WWI (Wilson); WWII (FDR); Korea (Truman/Acheson … a consequence of Acheson’s blunder of excluding Korea from our defense perimeter); Vietnam (JFK, LBJ … Eisenhower was encouraged to wade in after Dien Bien Phu, but refused); Dominican Republic (LBJ); Bosnia (Clinton); Kosovo (Clinton).

    Republican wars since 1908 –

    Nicaragua (1920s, off and on); Lebanon (Eisenhower, Reagan); Grenada (Reagan); Panama (Bush I); Gulf I (Bush I); Afghanistan (Bush II); Gulf II (Bush II).

    Looks like you Goldycrats have cornered the warmonger market. Not surprising since Republicans were, until about 2003, reviled as the party of isolation and peace.

  54. 71

    Puddybud spews:

    @68: It’s really easy rujax!.

    You are a hater. It oozes from your thread entries. You talked about how you deal with your son earlier this year. But there is no demonstrable love from your post on your dealing with your son.

    You are a hater. Plain and simple.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #54 Puddybud spews:

    I complain when the children are born out of wedlock in the inner city and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nary a peep to say. When Bill Cosby speaks up these “black leaders” tear him a new ASShole!
    Did you know a child has a 4x less likely chance of being in crime when there are two parents in the home? Probably not cuz you are an ignorant ASS.

    I have to watch the Tupac documentary again. Especially the part where he talks about IF he had a father his life would have been better. About it takes a man to teach a boy how to be a man.

  56. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    So I ask a question of rujax! which will be rhetorical. When was the last time you fed a street person?

    chirping crickets… Flying pigs… cows jumping over the moon… hell freezing over…

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    So many posts. I’ve actually got a lot to do today, but I’ll do what I can here.


    Seems to me that being locked up for many years is a pretty serious consequence. The consequences of a criminal’s actions are that they cannot be trusted as a member of society. While there may be a few liberals that think we can rehabilitate criminals with positive thoughts and singing songs, I am not among them.

    But killing them, especially when they are still in that angry, self-absorbed and unrepentent state is unnecessary. It serves no purpose beyond revenge, and as Christians, we’re not allowed that luxury.

    Lock them up, yes. Just because we forgive them does not mean that we do not recognize that they are still dangerous. In fact, some folks come to the conclusion that they need that structure to lead decent lives.

    But we have to give them every chance to get their lives straight. They can do that in prison. Many do.


    Intent is the issue. Frankly, I know, as do many others, that Hussein is a common Middle-Eastern name. It means “good”, and was the name of the late King of Jordan, who was an important US ally in the region.

    Somehow, I doubt that the right-wing talkers and pundits are using the name that way. Are you seriously saying that you do not think they are using his middle name to tie him to Saddam Hussein in the minds of their listeners and readers? That they aren’t using the negative connotations of that name? Really? If his middle name was “Paul”, would we be hearing Ann Coulter and Michael Savage talking about “Barack Paul Obama”?

    C’mon. Be real.

    Oh, and yes, I do know the difference between the McCoys and the Beach Boys. It was just a slightly snarky way of itentifying “the party to whom I am speaking”.

    Worked pretty well, too.

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    Pax Vobiscum, Puddy & Buddies spews:

    JB: Glad you’re hep to Sloopy and the Sloop. Feared you were just, you know, stupid.

    If it’s intent you’re after, then you’re back in the problem quagmire. Just as I was when I liberally used the words ‘lie’ and ‘dishonest.’ Lie implies foreknowledge and intent.

    We all grew up in 1998. We learned that a lie meeting the tests of foreknowledge and intent is not a problem, or is less a problem than a sex-crazed evangelical prosecutor obsessed by perjury. (Pumping irony, here; I’m high on Ken Starr.)

    In the enlightened new era, we grew up even more. Learned that a lie can mean anything a Democrat wants it to mean just so long as it’s about a Republican: ergo, Bush lied. Even though there’s no proof that he knowingly distorted facts about anything. Except the cost of Medicare drugs.

    But Tlaz sez I’m a lying POS, so take seriously none of my posts.

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    Oh, and Itchy.

    While I could argue the appropriateness of a few of those “Democrat” wars, I’m not going to. Nor will I argue about the cutoff date you choose to use.

    If Democrats, today, were arguing to stay in Iraq for an indefinitely long time, especially after getting us in there through apparently deliberate deception, I’d be strongly considering voting Republican.

    If Democrats, today, were supporting torture and domestic spying, I’d be a Republican.

    If Democrats, today, had crippled our economy by spending billions in an unneccesary war, while Republicans were seriously working for fiscal restraint, Senator McCain would be my candidate.

    They aren’t. Today. Now.

    I think Eisenhower was one of the truly great Presidents. You folks should emulate him. If you folks still embraced his positions and philosophy of government, the Republican party would never have nominated President Bush in the first place.

    In today’s Republican party, President Eisenhower would be run out as a “RINO”, if he didn’t walk out in disgust first.

    And today’s Democratic Party would welcome him.

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    Rossi is a DINO spews:

    Some truth to your spew, Mr. B. Republican Eisenhower said his biggest problems as president were with Republicans. Still, your last line is risible. Just like Democrats belatedly trying to adopt Goldwater as a born-again Democrat … this is an interesting story, but will save it for later.

    Gave you a tidy 100-year retrospective. If we go back to 1898, then we’re in the hot zone: a flat-out Republican no-win war that was infamous for corruption and atrocity. Check out Finley Peter Dunne for the Cliff’s Notes version.

    There’s nothing like losing a war to concentrate the mind. Iraq blows all previous quagmires out of the mire, despite the ‘low’ U.S. body count, low in comparison to, say, the forgotten war. And why’s Korea forgotten? Because a Democrat started it and ran it.

    As for “torture” and “domestic spying,” get a grip. Return to the days of yesteryear, starting with 12 September 2001. If Bush had failed to avert the impending next 9/11, you would probably lead the wailing chorus howling that he failed to connect dots and take measures needed to protect us.

    Waterboarded Sheikh Khalid Mohammed, trained in Carolina, got a bit damp from being boarded, and spilled the beans on forthcoming attacks. Including this: On the short list of al Qaeda targets for 9/11 or subsequent attacks was Columbia Tower, Seattle, USA.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    I got all excited, a thrill up my leg as they say in professional journalism. I went to both the tv guide web page and foxnews and couldn’t find a mention of this new show. Must be Lee and his usual M.O. of making stuff up again.
    This would have been yet another fox show that beat olbermann in the ratings.

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    Slam Dunk spews:

    Check out Tenet’s disturbed and disturbing book. Thomas Powers’ NY Review review focuses exclusively on Tenet/Iraq, but the real terror war we are in fills the entire front half. Clinton may or may not have dropped the ball with bin Laden’s extradition. Bush may or may not have dropped the ball with the August 2001 PDB. Beyond argument is that 9/11 was just one attack of a continuing series that began more-or-less with the first WTC attack on Clinton’s watch.

    Bin Laden sought and got a Koranic dispensation for inflicting collateral damage on American Muslims when he proceeds with plans to light off a megaton firecracker in an American city.

    Or anthrax, the sequel. Slate’s Weisberg/burg notes that — despite Randi Rhodes’ assertion that anthrax in 2001 was targeted only at Democrats — anthrax was also in the White House pipeline. And who knows where. Or from where.

    Dangerous world, JB. We have more to fear than Bush itself, although Bush has made parts of our problem much worse. It’s likely that his spying and water wings have kept some of us alive.

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    Oh, and on the term “lie”.

    Whether President Bush actually knew that he was misleading the American public is something that only he and God can know.

    What I can know is that the information was available to him that much of what he was saying was at best suspect, and at worst just flat-out wrong.

    And it was (and still is) his job to know that as well.

    Gross incompetence? Willful ignorance? Deliberate lying? Those seem to be the only options available to explain the statements of President Bush and his advisors.

    While I realize that it is popular among Democrats to assume that President Bush is simply a moron, I’m not so sure, and I do not believe that of his advisors.

    So yes, I agree that there is no conclusive proof that President Bush directly lied.

    But that conclusion can be reached by a reasonable person, based on the evidence that we have seen, and the alternative conclusions are that he was either an idiot, a dupe, or completely unable to consider facts that did not support his conclusion.

    I think he lied. You’re welcome to believe any of the alternative possibilities if you wish. In any case, he was (and is) unfit for the office of President.

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    Slam Dunk spews:

    See Tenet, so to speak, for the known knowns and known unknowns, at least according to Tenet with the benefit of hindsight and a grudge.

    WMD: Won’t bore you with a cliche, but ‘everybody’ did know before March 2003 that Saddam Hussein Obama (oopsie) was building proscribed stuff. In fact, Hans Brix (TeamAmerican spelling) admits that proof of the lack of proof of weapons didn’t happen until mere moments before war began. It’s then that Saddam allowed inspectors to return, after about four years, and the catalyst for breaking Saddam’s deadlock was c. 150,000 armed and motivated Americans on his border.

    To repeat my point from yesterday: I’d prefer the BUSH LIED option to the Bush blundered option because to have lied would have demonstrated some degree of competence and mastery of information.

    (Check out ‘News’week, December 1998 – early 1999, about Saddam being loaded with WMD, weapons that Clinton, in his regime-change commitment, said Saddam had and would use. “News”week’s subtext was that Saddam was so dangerous and the danger was so immediate that we couldn’t afford the distraction of impeaching a Democrat. … Offering that as a little blast from the past.)

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    Chris Matthews spews:

    Get a thrill up my leg from reading your Stamn posts. Almost as much of a buzz as I get from St. Obama.

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    Doorknob Dan spews:

    But because everybody knows Bush is a moron, we know he couldn’t have dreamed up a war in his own little head. That’s why he needed Dan Savage to make the cogent and coherent case, for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, that Bush was unable to make.

    Check The Stranger, Independence Day 2002.

    Gotta go, Brother John Hang in.

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    Slam Dunk:

    “the catalyst for breaking Saddam’s deadlock was c. 150,000 armed and motivated Americans on his border”

    Well, we hadn’t actually put all those troops on the border at that point, but your point is basically correct nonetheless.

    So, the threat worked, the inspectors were allowed back and evidence that Saddam was more bluster than suicidal idiot was produced.

    And if the rest of that scenerio continued “we were able to stand down most of our troops, having chastened Saddam, who continued to occasionally rattle his sabre in public, but gave us very little additional trouble”, then President Bush would probably be considered to have handled that problem very well, and the Republicans would be looking at that “permanent majority” that Mr. Rove spoke of.

    As to the possibility that President Clinton might use Iraq as a distraction to get the press off his back, well, since it didn’t happen, we will never know if he would actually have done it.

    Oh, and as for the thought of Senator Goldwater as a Democrat. I really don’t think he would switch parties, but there is little doubt that he would be considered one of the more liberal members today.

    Of course, we could ask a former “Goldwater Girl” about that. I wonder what she would say?

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    Rujax! spews:

    You know…

    I always knew the Pudwhacker was a lying sack of shit.

    I have never mentioned any of my kids in any kind of specificity on this or any other board.

    A liar is a liar is a liar.

    What the fuck is wrong with you anyway you sick fuck?

    What kind of thoughtful caring citizen are you? What kind of MAN are you? What kind of person of faith are you.

    If you are supposed to be representing something to be aspired to…it will be the LAST thing I want.

    You bet I hate. I hate what the current iteration of the Republican Party has done TO this country. I hate the unmitigated greed. I hate the elitism. I hate the lies. I hate the hypocrisy. I hate the way these bastards have ruined the economy. Pocketed BILLIONS touting the dream of home ownership…then pushed the victims to thee curb and left US…the citizenry with the bill. I hate the illegal and IMMORAL war that is raping the treasury and murdering ou sons and daughters.

    You bet I hate MISTER Asshole…I hate plenty.

    But I don’t hate you. ‘Cause you’re a child of God, Puddy. And as much as you infuriate me…you’re just a misguided fool.

    And God (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever…)loves us all.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #80. John Barelli spews:

    Oh, and on the term “lie”.
    Whether President Bush actually knew that he was misleading the American public is something that only he and God can know.
    Gross incompetence? Willful ignorance? Deliberate lying? Those seem to be the only options available to explain the statements of President Bush and his advisors.

    Would your same observations, “Gross incompetence? Willful ignorance? Deliberate lying?” apply to all the democrats that also “lied?”
    Here’s a collection of quotes of prominent democrats.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #84. John Barelli spews:

    As to the possibility that President Clinton might use Iraq as a distraction to get the press off his back, well, since it didn’t happen, we will never know if he would actually have done it.

    Are you referring to Operation Desert Fox that was 4 days of non-stop bombing during the impeachment proceedings.
    Or Operation Infinite Reach? (AKA Monica’s War”)

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    Puddybud spews:

    Rujax! do you have a 10 year old son?

    If so how would I know that?

    Guessing…? Nope. You mentioned it. In fact I referred to your son in thread 4482.

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    ByeByeGOP spews:

    AGAIN a republican traitor implies that it’s okay that Bush lies because Dems do it too – to which I repeat – we now know why Marvin’s kids and all other republican kids go around robbing banks. They just say – “well that guy robbed one too must make it okay for me to rob a bank.”

    Let’s also point out that Marvin’s bullshit at least implies tacit admission that Bush is a lying piece of shit!

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    Rujax! spews:

    You know nothing about me dickwad and you will know only what I want you to know…which is very little.

    Sure ASS, my son was 10….A LONG TIME AGO.

    How typical of you to go off half-cocked with incomplete or inaccutate information. You are SUCH an unimpeachable source.

    You know, time I spend thinking about you and the drivel you spew is time I’m NEVER giong to get back. You are so not worth it.

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    Ok, Marvin. An honest question. Are the Democrats that supported the Iraq war also to blame for the mess?


    Simple question, simple answer. We don’t get them around here very often, but this one is pretty cut-and-dried.

    Now, having read through the comments on the website, I do notice that many of those statements are not directly related to going to war in Iraq. (Certainly some are, but many are not.)

    Saddam Hussein was a bad person. Iraq was a threat to peace in the region, and had a large, capable army.

    Democrats do not dispute these things. Somehow you folks claim that because we oppose going to war, we somehow think that the world is all happy folks with flowers, dancing and singing.

    Of course this is nonsense. The world is a dangerous place, and there are bad people in it.

    But… That doesn’t mean that going to war is always (or even often) the answer. Military force is the last resort, not the first or even the fiftieth.

    And the threat of force is one of those steps. If we are getting what we want using the threat of force, then actually starting the war is unnecessary and unjustified. At least some of those folks can (and do) make the claim that the threat of force required public statements in support of the President.

    Remember, that threat was working. The inspectors were back on the job, and Saddam was proving that while he may have been a despot, he was not suicidal.

    And here is a question regarding the end result of this situation. Saddam was complying, under threat of force. Then we invaded anyway.

    How about the next time? The next despot will have the example that he might as well develop the weapons and fight, because we’re going to invade anyway.

    It appears that actually developing WMDs (as in North Korea) is far less dangerous than being accused, but not doing it.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    92. John Barelli spews:

    Ok, Marvin. An honest question. Are the Democrats that supported the Iraq war also to blame for the mess?
    Simple question, simple answer. We don’t get them around here very often, but this one is pretty cut-and-dried.

    Not that simple. I don’t believe I asked if the dems are also to blame for the mess.
    I asked if it was their “Gross incompetence? Willful ignorance? Deliberate lying?”

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    For those actively beating the war drum, I’d have a hard time deciding.

    For those that simply believed what the President (and his administration) told them through briefings and conversations, then voted to give the President the authority he said he needed to avert war, simple gullibility suffices.

    I remember at the end of one of his speaches (just prior to the invasion) thinking “well, either there really are WMDs, or I’ve just been lied to”.

    At the time, I also chose to believe that, regardless of party affiliation, no President would so blatantly lie in order to bring the country into a war.

    I was wrong. Apparently one thing you neo-cons believe really is true. We liberals can be so gullible.

    But we learn from our mistakes.