by Goldy, 08/27/2007, 11:40 PM

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115 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Roger Rabbit spews:

Now that the state Public Disclosure Commission has vindicated Richard Pope by upholding his complaint against Jane Hague and adding some more charges of its own, the P-I is exposing the Republican county councilwoman’s true character:

“Hague has habit of blaming others

“By NEIL MODIE
“P-I REPORTER

“King County Councilwoman Jane Hague’s recent arrest on a drunken-driving charge wasn’t the first time she has blamed others after finding herself in trouble.

“In 2001, when the car Hague was driving collided with a Metro bus in downtown Seattle, … she told him it was his fault. …

“In 1999, when the King County ombudsman found Hague had violated the county ethics code in 1997, she blamed it on bad advice from the council’s attorney — who flatly denied that she had ever asked for such advice or that he had given it to her. …

“And when she was arrested on the drunken-driving charge in Bellevue on June 2 … Hague … blamed … her husband … [and] questioned [the officer’s] qualifications to administer blood-alcohol tests ….

“Brett Bader, Hague’s political consultant, said [publicity of Hague's] problems ‘is nothing more than an effort by her political opponents to take advantage of an unfortunate situation … for their own political gain.’”

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ local/329277_hague28.html

But hey! Hague’s not alone in blaming her problems on others:

“State Democratic Chairman Dwight Pelz said … ‘if the public had known about this DUI in a more timely fashion, Richard Pope would not be our candidate right now.’”

That one’s so good I’m gonna post it again:

“State Democratic Chairman Dwight Pelz said … ‘if the public had known about this DUI in a more timely fashion, Richard Pope would not be our candidate right now.’”

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Never let it be said that Roger Rabbit doesn’t laugh at Democrats when they sound like Republicans …

2. Roger Rabbit spews:

“Iran agrees to reveal nuclear info

“By GEORGE JAHN
“ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

“VIENNA, Austria — Iran on Monday offered some cooperation with an International Atomic Energy Agency probe of an alleged secret uranium processing project linked by U.S. intelligence to a nuclear arms program.

“The Iranian pledge was contained in a memorandum reached between Iran and the IAEA …. In it, Tehran also outlined its timetable for providing other sensitive information sought by the IAEA ….

“Less than a week ago, Iran and the Vienna-based IAEA announced an agreement on the timetable for full Iranian cooperation with the agency’s nuclear investigation. …”

Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iran_Nuclear.html?source=mypi

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Before you say, ‘Huzzah! Now Bush has no excuse to attack Iran,’ remember Saddam was cooperating with UN arms inspectors when Bush attacked Iraq.

3. Roger Rabbit spews:

Why Bush Hasn’t Caught Osama Yet

“KABUL, Afghanistan — The U.S. military said Monday it regretted any offense it may have caused by giving out a soccer ball with the word Allah written on it as part of a public relations exercise in Afghanistan.

“At least one of several balls dropped by helicopter to children in eastern Khost province had a small picture of the Saudi Arabian flag. The flag features in Arabic script the Islamic declaration of faith, which contains the words Allah and the Prophet Muhammad.

“Villagers were ‘upset and angry’ when they saw the ball, said Khost Gov. Arsalah Jamal. … Muslims treat with the utmost respect any printed matter containing verses of the Koran or the name of Allah or his prophet on it. Most would find the idea of kicking a ball emblazoned with those two names as deeply offensive.”

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Afghan_Blasphemous_Ball.html

Roger Rabbit Commentary: A little sensitivity training for our troops might go farther than the as-yet-unclaimed $50 million reward.

Sgt. Dean Welch, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition, said Friday’s “distribution of soccer balls was done in the spirit of goodwill, something that we hoped would bring Afghan children some enjoyment.”

4. Roger Rabbit spews:

Local Federal Detention Center A Hell Hole

Here’s another one of Gonzales’ legacies: If you’re poor or have an ethnic name, your body is a plaything for jail guards, and nothing will happen to them:

“Not one of the 20 recent sex-related incidents at a SeaTac prison has resulted in a prosecution

“By RUTH TEICHROEB
“P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

“Behind the towering gray walls of the Federal Detention Center lurks a sex-charged world where guards are accused of gawking at porn videos, ordering inmates to expose their breasts, molesting them in elevators and rape. …

“Victims say they had no choice but to submit to predatory guards who controlled every aspect of their lives at the 10-story, 1,000-bed prison south of Sea-Tac Airport.

“‘I was afraid,’ said former inmate Stephanie Freeman, who accused a guard of rape. ‘How the heck do you feel safe when you are locked up with guards like that?’

“At least 20 sex-related incidents involving correctional staff and inmates have been reported at the prison in the past five years, according to Department of Justice records obtained through public disclosure. The allegations ranged from groping during pat-downs to forced sex.

“Yet not a single Bureau of Prisons employee at the facility has been prosecuted for sex-related crimes during that period. …

“Sexual abuse by correctional employees is the most common inmate complaint against staff members nationwide, according to federal statistics. Between 2000 and 2004, 822 allegations of staff sexual abuse were received by the Office of the Inspector General, the branch of the Justice Department that investigates. …

“Punishment is rare: Less than 10 percent of sexual-abuse allegations result in prosecutions. Of those who are convicted or plead guilty, 75 percent receive probation.”

Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/329130_prison27.html

Roger Rabbit Commentary: What did you expect from an Attorney General who thinks raping and torturing foreigners is okay? That he wouldn’t think raping and torturing American citizens is okay, too? At least Gonzo is consistent.

Or maybe his U.S. attorneys were too busy looking for a Democrat who filled out his voter registration form incorrectly to worry about federal jail guards who rape prisoners.

5. Roger Rabbit spews:

“Gonzales departure won’t end probes

“By DAVID ESPO
“AP SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

“WASHINGTON — Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ resignation Monday … drew … a vow from Democrats to pursue their investigation into fired federal prosecutors. …

“Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the investigation would not end with Gonzales’ leaving. ‘Congress must get to the bottom of this mess and follow the facts where they lead, into the White House,’ said the Nevada Democrat. …

” … Gonzales … served as general counsel and secretary of state when his patron was governor of Texas …. As counsel, Gonzales helped get Bush excused from jury duty in 1996, which kept him from having to disclose a drunken driving arrest in Maine in 1976. … In a legal memo in 2002, he contended in 2002, he contended that Bush had the right to waive anti-torture laws and international treaties that protected prisoners of war. The memo said some of the prisoner-of-war protections contained in the Geneva Conventions were ‘quaint’ …. Human rights groups later contended his memo led directly to the abuses exposed in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq.

“Of greater political concern was the Democratic majority that took office in Congress earlier this year. Leahy soon began investigating the firing of federal prosecutors. Testifying on April 19 before the Judiciary Committee, Gonzales answered ‘I don’t know’ and ‘I can’t recall’ scores of times when asked about events surrounding the firings. … Several Democrats called for a perjury investigation ….”

Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1152AP_Gonzales_Resigns.html?source=mypi

Roger Rabbit Commentary: This shouldn’t end with Gonzo’s resignation. The perjury investigation — and indictment and prosecution if warranted — should go forward. Then had him over to an international tribunal for war crimes prosecution. Then, when they get done with him, hand him over to the Texas Bar Association.

6. Roger Rabbit spews:

Gonzo = sorry fucking excuse for a lawyer

7. Roger Rabbit spews:

Republicans like Alberto Gonzales make Democrats like Richard Pope look good.

8. Roger Rabbit spews:

Pope and Gonzales are living proof of the adage that the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican …

9. Roger Rabbit spews:

Roger Rabbit has posted 100% of the comments on this thread! If you don’t like it, go fuck yourself, and hug the armadillo you rode in on.

10. Roger Rabbit spews:

Why Bush Might Pick Lieberman For Attorney General

“A more intriguing pick, Sherrill said, would be Sen. Joe Lieberman, the hawkish Connecticut Democrat whose nomination would allow his state’s Republican governor to appoint his replacement – wresting control of the Senate from Democrats ….”

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/sharp-questions-await-gonzales-successor/n20070828031409990003

11. Harvey spews:

@10

Woger,

Why would Sen. Lieberman WANT to work for GWB for the next 17 months?

This makes as much sense as two pookas sittin in the same chair.

12. ArtFart spews:

11 He already is.

13. ArtFart spews:

1 Someone needs to find a nice big strip of duct tape to put over Dwight Pelz’ mouth. The guy must be almost as dumb as Gonzales.

14. Nindid spews:

Rell would be a fool to appoint a Republican to the seat if Lieberman should give up the ghost and cross over to the R’s. She bases her whole career on being a moderate in a blue state and while senators can not be recalled, I am pretty dang sure governors can be.

15. ArtFart spews:

2 Be it noted that while allowing for the opening of their nuclear kimono (or should I say their burqua?), Iran is still quite adamant that they’re going to continue their program.

Not that it really matters…actual facts in the real world haven’t been viewed in the past by the Crawford Caligula as an impediment to doing whatever cockamamie thing he wants to.

16. YellowPup spews:

I’m looking out the window at an almost total eclipse of the moon right now. What kind of omen is this?

17. stanwoodsage spews:

Where is Goldy’s post on Everett councilmember Mark Olson, Sound Transit Vice Chair, oh and a huge democrat, accused of rape? His Dui got no mention even though he almost hit a cop. I guess when you agree with Goldy on transit issues (and tip 15%) you can drive drunk and sexually assault people…as long as you’re a democrat.

18. Puddybud spews:

Where is the copyright (copyleft in this case) for the above picture ASSIE Voice? Were you there? Who really took the picture?

19. Facts Support My Positions spews:

#17, Where is Stefan’s post on the 250,000 innocent people in Iraq slain because of our unwillingness to provide security, or the 4,000,000 Iraqis displaced?

And you wonder why people want to fly planes into our buildings…….

That makes 250,000 murders. Go George Go!!!! Rah, rah, rah!

20. Rujax! spews:

Nice picture…

…coupla perfect assholes.

21. Puddybud spews:

The reason we are mighty.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_B-2_and_F-15s_Guam_lg.jpg

Imagine if:

Hillary at the VFW hall?
Remember Hilary in Iraq?
Remember Hilary in Afghanistan?

Hilary trolling for Military votes?

That’s almost like a redneck hick rallying for votes at a San Francisco gay rights event.

22. Middle_of_the_Road spews:

Reichart kind of has a sick to my stomach smile on his hairsprayed mug.

24. Facts Support My Positions spews:

#21, and how many American Soldiers needlessly died during her husband’s presidency? Invading non threatening countries because of lust for power, and greed?

(crickets chirping)

Yeah, I thought so.

Puddy, can you name a time when the United States has been weaker? Both militarily, and economically? More hated worldwide? Had fewer allies? Had more debt?

Republicon rule has been a disaster, except for the top 1%, defense contractors, and energy companies of course…… Oops, I forgot body bag manufacturers. What is the waiting list to get into the VA anyway? 1 year, or 2? More?

A Hillary turd would make a better president than any of the Republicons misrepresenting themselves…….. Her toenail clippings are definitely smarter than the current president, and Reichert together.

I just can’t get Cheney’s voice out of my head saying Saddam may have nuclear weapons in as little as 6 months, when there was not a shred of evidence he even had a nuclear weapons program. If that is not a lie, then Cheney has a full head of hair.

If you are in a public restroom, and you suspect the person that just walked in is a Republicon, RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!

25. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Run away, run away!!!!!

26. SeattleJew spews:

CALL $%# KIRO

Darcy effectively outraised Bush. KIRO is running a one sided story about how much Bush raised! SeattleJew

27. Rujax! spews:

Puddy was just pud-ding over his picture of GWB.

Gee Fakecristianistjerkoff…

How ’bout a hit from the “Rujax’ Greatest Hits” archives:

1. rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…cluelessASS… DrivelASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia… cluelessASS… cluelessASS…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…

Dang…those WERE the days eh?

28. Rujax! spews:

Hey Pee-Dookie…

Can you imagine…

Any Republican Presidential Candidate giving a shit about anyone but their major donors or BIG OIL and DEFENSE Conglomerates?

Can you imagine what would happen if there was a real emergency that called for a response from the military that the Mayberry Machiavelli’s have mired in the Middle East?

Osama (remember HIM???) is just sitting in his little bunker in PAKISTAN…nice and safe and cozy…laughing his ass off (prolly “rolling on the floor laughing his ass off) at you Kornhole Konservatives frothin’ at the mouth over gay Arabic translators.

You are such a dumbshit loser.

29. Rujax! spews:

Hey Dumbass…

How do Rudy’s “Family Values” work for ya?

30. Rujax! spews:

How about DUMB-ya’s “CHRISTIAN COMPASSION”???

31. Rujax! spews:

You’re STILL a dupe and a hypocrite.

32. Rujax! spews:

In the words of the immortal (or so it seems) Little Richard…

…SHUT UP!!!!!!!

33. D8_Voter spews:

The really big news of the day was that Darcy Burner actually found the Westin in Bellevue! And that of the people there, six were (legal) District 8 voters, counting Darcy.

I assume with W gone, Darcy will return to fund raising and pressing the flesh in her natural environs on the west side of the Lake.

34. YellowPup spews:

More bad news for King County councilwoman Jane Hague. Does the Green Party have a candidate for this position?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/329277_hague28.html

Hague has habit of blaming others
Records show actions in DUI case, bus crash

35. Roger Rabbit spews:

@11 “Woger, Why would Sen. Lieberman WANT to work for GWB for the next 17 months?”

Why wouldn’t he? Lieberman is a Republican in everything except name. He’s not a young guy. He’s already been a state attorney general, and retiring from public life with Attorney General of the United States on his resume is tempting to any lawyer. Hell, if Bush offered ME the job, I’d take it! I’d be a loyal party hack, too. (Not to Bush’s party, though … snicker …)

36. Roger Rabbit spews:

Roger Rabbit Poll

Who should Bush appoint to replace Gonzo as Attorney General?

[ ] 1. Chertoff
[ ] 2. Lieberman
[ ] 3. Pope
[ ] 4. Rabbit

37. kirk spews:

Today’s Darcy fun facts:

Number of times I contacted her via website to find out her position on the Iraq war during her last campaign….3

Number of email responses to those contacts…..0

Number of times Darcy’s campaign contacted me since I sent in a question wondering what the point of her fake town meeting was…..2 in one day

Number of times I heard someone at yesterdays demostration say someone’s xeroxed leaflet should be thrown away because of one line mentioning that the democrats and republicans have supported the US empire….twice

38. Roger Rabbit spews:

@16 “I’m looking out the window at an almost total eclipse of the moon right now. What kind of omen is this?”

It means the earth isn’t flat, no matter what wingnuts believe.

39. Roger Rabbit spews:

@17 This is a liberal blog. If you want equal time, go post it on Stefan’s sucky little blog. I’m sure Stefan would appreciate a good news story. Things are a little slow over there right now. Until the next election, Stefan doesn’t have anything to do except pick on waitresses who complain about his kid behaving like an ape in a public restaurant.

40. Daddy Love spews:

This (that picture) is why Dave is scared to hold an 8th CD town hall. He does NOT want to hear what his constituents think. It would burn off all that wonderful hair…

BTW, the reception Brian Baird got from HIS constituents is another reason Dave is scared.

Oh, and Matt Hasselbeck introduced Bush. I’ll be rooting for the Bears.

41. Roger Rabbit spews:

@18 Fair use doesn’t require inclusion of a copyright notice.

42. Marvin Stamn spews:

And to think Rove used the racist rovian hurricane machine ver2 to ethnically cleanse new orleans. All he had to do was get white liberals in charge.
 

San Francisco hopes to reverse black flight
SAN FRANCISCO — Wayne Cooksey joined the flight of African-Americans from this city last year to escape soaring rents and buy a home. Michael Higgenbotham left six years ago for a safer neighborhood and better schools for his three children.
  ….
African-Americans are abandoning this famously progressive city at a rate that has alarmed San Francisco officials, who vow to stop the exodus and develop a strategy to win blacks back to the city.
  …
“Black people really don’t matter in San Francisco. It’s what this generation of political leadership inherited,” says Chuck Collins, president of the YMCA of San Francisco. “There’s been a very uneasy truce with the black population.”
  …
The task force “ought to study what’s wrong with the white power structure, why they can’t be responsive to the African-American community,” says Amos Brown, pastor of Third Baptist Church and president of the local NAACP chapter. “They didn’t need us anymore.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-26-urban-blacks_N.htm
  
  
“They didn’t need us anymore” translated- we already monolithically vote democrat, now we are not needed.

43. Libertarian spews:

Roger Rabbit Commentary: A little sensitivity training for our troops might go farther than the as-yet-unclaimed $50 million reward.

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Roger, I think that there’s a problem with Islam, too. Islam has not shown itself to be very tolerant of other religions/beliefs. How about a litte sensitivity training for a billion Muslims? When was the last time you heard a Methodist minister advocating killing non-Christians? Not lately, I’ll bet!

44. Marvin Stamn spews:

Sounds like even hillary understands that publicans are tougher against terrorism than democrats.
  
She admits that a terrorist attack gives the publicans an advantage and claims she’s the best of the democrats, not the best of the publicans and democrats, just the democrats.
   
“It’s a horrible prospect to ask yourself, ‘What if? What if?’ But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world,” she said.
“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that as well,” she concluded.

  
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/08/25/2007-08-25_hil_takes_flak_for_mixing_politics__terr.html

45. Marvin Stamn spews:

One of hillarys top fundraisers once listed the same address, say it ain’t so. Illegal contributions for hillary?? Naw, just politics as usual.
 
The good news is that the political cronyism isn’t going to be changed anytime soon, people with money will enjoy the same benefits from hillary as they did from bush.

Vote for hillary, she’s bush light. Thanks to all you mindless democrats for voting for hillary and continue the screwing up of our country.
  

“DALY CITY, Calif. — One of the biggest sources of political donations to Hillary Rodham Clinton is a tiny, lime-green bungalow that lies under the flight path from San Francisco International Airport.
Six members of the Paw family, each listing the house at 41 Shelbourne Ave. as their residence, have donated a combined $45,000 to the Democratic senator from New York since 2005, for her presidential campaign, her Senate re-election last year and her political action committee. In all, the six Paws have donated a total of $200,000 to Democratic candidates since 2005, election records show.

It isn’t obvious how the Paw family is able to afford such political largess. Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker.

The Paws’ political donations closely track donations made by Norman Hsu, a wealthy New York businessman in the apparel industry who once listed the Paw home as his address, according to public records. Mr. Hsu is one of the top fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign. He has hosted or co-hosted some of her most prominent money-raising events.
  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

46. Tlazolteotl spews:

I have an idea for next AG – a Republican who has demonstrated some independence from the Bush misadministration and respect for the rule of law!

John McKay!

47. ArtFart spews:

Hillary is either just desparate to find support wherever she can, or the recipient of some really bad advice. At the rate she’s going, the only way the public is going to be able to tell her from Joe Lieberman is is she drops her skirt.

48. Marvin Stamn spews:

This group called the RNC Welcoming Committee (for welcoming the rnc convention in minnesota) wants a “direct participatory democracy” but refuses to answer questions or wants questions submitted a week in advance.
Sounds like even the bush haters are taking a page out of the bush playbook.

Anti-authoritarian group to strategize this weekend for convention protests
The anarchists’ plans, which don’t include getting a permit, could include confrontational tactics.
Bridges said the group favors “ending capitalism, imperialism, patriarchy and all other forms of hierarchy” to be replaced with “direct, participatory democracy.”

…speaking for the committee, showed a video that hinted at confrontational tactics, read a statement and walked out, taking no questions.

The group had sent out an announcement last week, saying questions had to be submitted by e-mail a week in advance.
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1385565.html

49. Tlazolteotl spews:

libertarian,

the problem isn’t with Methodists per se. The problem is with all the evangelical fundies IN GOVERNMENT that are advocating that we convert or kill all Muslims. Like that Boyer fellow (can’t recall his entire name now, but he was some nut at the Pentagon).

50. Tlazolteotl spews:

marvin

You need to learn how to close your tags so we don’t all get the slanties.

51. horsesasshole spews:

I think @ 17 has a point. Sorry you confused Roger Rabbit with dissenting views…I guess this is an echo chamber.

52. Marvin Stamn spews:

#24 Facts Support My Positions says:

#21, and how many American Soldiers needlessly died during her husband’s presidency? Invading non threatening countries because of lust for power, and greed?

  
Are you taking into account the deaths/health complications from the depleted uranium weapons not only for american soldiers but the citizens of of bosnia/kosovo?
  
By the way, did we find any WMDs in bosnia/kosovo? Was bosnia/kosovo threatening to us? Did the UN approve of the america invading bosnia/kosovo?

53. Libertarian spews:

The problem is like Mark Twain said: We’ve got the True Religion here on Earth – all seven of them!

Religious fundamentalist zealotry, regardless of the “flavor,” is dangerous. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, whatever! Islam shouldn’t get a free pass to spout off death and destruction any more that the Christian fundamentalists should.

54. OneMan spews:

@48:
Yeah, because an Anarchist organization represents mainstream Democrats.

WTF Marvin, shall I paint you with the Freeper brush?

What a pointless post.

And if someone is cheating to give Hillary money she should give it back and the donator should be prosecuted under campaign finance laws. How is it that Hillary is automatically in cahoots with the cheater? Oh yeah, only in your feverish little mind.

I won’t even go down the WSJ right-leaning news source road, what’s the point?

-OM

55. rhp6033 spews:

The picture of Bush and Reichart, and the fundraiser in general, got me wondering.

With Bush’s popularility still stuck in the high 20′s/low 30′s (depending on the poll and the date), why would Reichart want to be seen with Bush, much less photographed with him on such friendly terms? Wasn’t he trying to “distance” himself from Bush in the last election????

I think the answer to that question is that Reichart believes fundraising from the fatcat Republican supporters is more important than actually – you know – appealing to the voters. He figures pictures with Bush isn’t going to hurt him with the 1/3 electorate which is hard-core Republican, and he doesn’t care about the 1/3 of the electorate which wouldn’t vote Republican under ANY circumstances. But he hopes that with enough money in his campaign fund, he can sway just enough independents to win in 2008 – like he did in 2006.

Now, how can he do this, given that his district is trending Democrat and the Republican party has been engaged in a slow-motion train wreck over the past several years? (Note to readers: insert mental image from the beginning of movie “The fugitive” here).

The answer: by negative campaigning, making the opposing candidate appear to the otherwise uninformed to be a crackpot, a dangerous would-be communist or terrorist sympathiser, etc., etc., etc. He is gambling that using those funds to hit hard with some last-minute TV ads will pay off. It certainly beats the alternative – you know, actually discussing issues with the voters, where he might be met with uncomforatable questions, such as why he supports Bush in every vote unless the Republican Party instructs him not to?

56. Lee spews:

@52
Oh my lord, you may be the stupidest person on planet Earth…

Are you taking into account the deaths/health complications from the depleted uranium weapons not only for american soldiers but the citizens of of bosnia/kosovo?

The WHO conducted studies in 2001 that they documented here:

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/Report_WHO_depleted_uranium_Eng.pdf

Depleted uranium in Mitrovicë/Mitrovica region – The mission checked this matter specifically with KFOR has and they confirmed that no attacks using depleted uranium rounds took place in the mainly Serb-inhabited municipalities in the northern part of Mitrovica/Mitrovicë. In addition, KFOR confirmed that no depleted uranium rounds were used in attacks in the Morka Gora area near Zubin Potok.

• Depleted uranium in the VJ forces – The mission was informed from military sources that there is absolutely no evidence that the VJ used any depleted uranium munitions or armour plating in Kosovo. This clarification was sought by the mission following press articles (e.g. Time magazine, 22 January 2001) in which VJ officers in Serbia mentioned that depleted uranium materials were available within their armoury of weapons. Apparently, these weapons were not deployed in Kosovo at the time of the conflict in 1999.

• Decline in milk production and birth defects in lambs – The mission was made aware of various reports by farmers in villages claiming that animals had encountered problems in giving milk or breeding healthy lambs. The mission sought advice from agricultural specialists at FAO and no information was found by them in the literature to link these issues with depleted uranium.

• Uranium testing in drinking water – The Administrative Instruction (AI) 2/1999 (Health) in force in Kosovo defines the drinking water quality requirements expected from all drinking water sources. The AI is based on previous water testing regulations that were used in the past by the Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia. The standard testing protocols do not monitor for the presence of uranium in the drinking water. Whilst the mission believes the likelihood of depleted uranium affecting drinking water supplies is low, the introduction of the routine testing of this parameter may help to reassure public confidence regarding 31 the presence of all sources of uranium. The possibility of testing for this parameter by the IPH laboratories should be considered.

• Soil testing equipment – The Institute of Radiological Protection in Obiliq/Obilic has asked for equipment to undertake soils testing for the presence of uranium. In the view of the mission this does not seem to be necessary since it is understood that others (public bodies and military agencies) have found little or no radiation. Since actual numerical values were not made available to the mission, it is suggested that this recommendation should be reviewed following the publication in March 2001 of the UNEP Balkans Task Force report.

By the way, did we find any WMDs in bosnia/kosovo?

Did we claim there were any there, idiot?

Was bosnia/kosovo threatening to us?

Did we claim they were, idiot?

Did the UN approve of the america invading bosnia/kosovo?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kosovo/etc/cron.html

They called for “unspecified measures” to be taken, while NATO explicitly supported and planned military action.

Are you trying to be stupid, or do you think we don’t know this stuff?

57. chadt spews:

LEE @56
Marvin doesn’t need facts. He believes the Postal Service is funded by taxes, and you pay for stamps for decorative purposes. He’s a troll in here to provide massive amounts of disinformation in the hope that newcomers will believe some of these obscure gems.

Over the long haul he is, as I’m sure you have noticed, inconsistent. A couple of weeks ago he was touting his tolerance for gays, now he’s posting about the “Gay Agenda”.

He’s either a loser who is just here to shit on the furniture, or he’s paid by the Republicans, and a cursory examination of post indicates he’s sock puppet factory unto himself.

From THIS you want accuracy?

58. chadt spews:

57 errata;

…examination of multiple anon. posts….

(e.g. posts from previously unheard of posters on a long running topic)

59. Lee spews:

@57
Marvin doesn’t need facts. He believes the Postal Service is funded by taxes, and you pay for stamps for decorative purposes.

Hahahaha! I forgot about that one.

He’s a troll in here to provide massive amounts of disinformation in the hope that newcomers will believe some of these obscure gems.

I tend to think he really believes a lot of his own BS. He’s someone who fell for the disinformation that he’s been fed by east coast elites like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Bill O’Reilly over the years.

Over the long haul he is, as I’m sure you have noticed, inconsistent. A couple of weeks ago he was touting his tolerance for gays, now he’s posting about the “Gay Agenda”.

Uh, yeah, I’ve noticed the inconsistency. My favorite is how he went from saying that Fox News isn’t biased to saying “well, we’re not talking about the opinion shows”. In the world of Marvin Stamn, the news is what makes a cable news network biased, not the opinion shows.

He’s either a loser who is just here to shit on the furniture, or he’s paid by the Republicans, and a cursory examination of post indicates he’s sock puppet factory unto himself.

He’s most definitely a loser. Beyond that, I’m still not sure.

From THIS you want accuracy?

I don’t expect accuracy, but I do enjoy a good laugh.

60. SeattleJew spews:

Lee

While I stronlgy support free speech here, Marvin wastes time scrolling with uninetersting and irrlevant posts. I would lilke to encourage the editors to do a bit more aggressive editing and tell him why,

See you tonite?

61. Lee spews:

@60
I can’t do anything unless it’s my own comment thread, but if anyone posts up irrelevant crap (or just does a full copy/paste with no context, even in an open thread), I have no problem deleting it.

I’m not sure I can make it tonight. I’ve got some work I need to do for our fantasy football website that I’ve put off until the last minute (as I always do).

62. SeattleJew spews:

I did notice that Darryl del’d a couple of messages and the fellow got more on track after that.

BTW, I enjoyed your latest post at Effin a lot.

Hope you can meke it, I think you prmised me a beer.

63. Lee spews:

@62
Hope you can meke it, I think you prmised me a beer.

I think I did. But you may have to wait until next Tuesday to collect.

64. Roger Rabbit spews:

@43 “When was the last time you heard a Methodist minister advocating killing non-Christians? Not lately, I’ll bet!”

If you’ll accept a Southern Baptist minister in lieu of a Methodist minister — August 22, 2005.

65. PAGING ROGER! spews:

Hey RR -

Do rabbits make good pets? I’m trying to find a pet for my kids.

TIA.

66. Broadway Joe spews:

Marvin @ 48:

I wouldn’t take dipsticks like that seriously. They’re just a bunch of Eugene ‘Direct Action’ Anarchists who think bringing about world peace means kicking in the windows at a McDonald’s, or picking fights with cops (WTO & the Port of Tacoma Riot are good examples) and screaming ‘police brutality’ after the cops kick the shit out of them (funny what happens when you bait cops with lines about them having sex with their mothers).

In fact, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if somehow the Recraplicans try to use these fruitcakes to their advantage……

67. chadt spews:

@66 Broadway

” In fact, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if somehow the Recraplicans try to use these fruitcakes to their advantage……”

You mean MARVY would actually DO that?

Nooooo…….!!!!!

68. My Left Foot spews:

Here is the link to the Idaho paper that investigated the good Senator Craig.

http://tinyurl.com/yrpqt2

69. Broadway Joe spews:

67:

I’m not in the business of defending trolls, but I do remember something Marvy said about getting kicked out of a righty blog, so maybe he’s just an equal-opportunity offender.

But given my views on the ‘direct action’ anti-war protestors down at the PoT a few months back, some of y’all might feel the same way about me….

70. Puddybud spews:

Hey Rudejacks: Thanks for saving my commentary.

Sorry I can’t say the same for you. Why? Nothing from your hands to pixels has ever been important. Get it?

Worthless dribble and drivel!

71. Puddybud spews:

Hey Rudejacks:

I brought it to ASSWipes first.

Perini Corp. – Paved by his Donk Moonbat! wife Dianne Feinstein with no bid guvmint contracts. Check out how he screwed with the veterans at the WRAMC! I posted the links months ago. Recently Marvin reposted some of them.

Shaw Group – Another Moonbat! lead org with no bid guvmint contracts.

Now we have Mattel Toys – Also a Moonbat! hangout.

Oh and they are all cheap labor liberals!

72. Puddybud spews:

Rudejacks more worthless drivel dribblin from your gnarly fingers:

When have I EVER brought up gay arabic translators?

Did the transistors in your cesspool of a mind pop?

73. chadt spews:

Ah. Let’s all welcome our token jiver…..

74. Puddybud spews:

Factless@19:

Facts? Not some worthless left-wing koooooooook site!

75. Marvin Stamn spews:

#12 SeattleJew says:

Lee
While I stronlgy support free speech here, Marvin wastes time scrolling with uninetersting and irrlevant posts. I would lilke to encourage the editors to do a bit more aggressive editing and tell him why,
See you tonite?

  
Are you confusing me with roger rabbit that posted long articles on the first five posts?
   
  
Let’s check out my posts in this thread since you brought it up-
#42, a post about how white/liberal san franciso is becoming.
#44, a post about hillary talking about publicans being better on defense and she’s the best qualified democrat
#45, hillary collecting contributions from a family that deosn’t even make as much as they contributed
#48, a post about bush protesters and their hypocrisy
(post numbers start over again)
#4 I replied to a post about deaths in kosovo/bosnia
  
I see why links to article that put democrats/liberlas in a bad light is uninteresting and irrelevant in your opinion. If it makes you feel better, I’l just keep repeating bush sucks so my posts don’t offend you.

76. Puddybud spews:

Yo Moonbat!s you haven’t answered my questions about #21. All you did was throw your slime at me.

77. Puddybud spews:

Marvin: Pellethead gets away with “pixel murder” becuz he’s a Donk Moonbat! ASSIE Voice and his minions don’t hold The Pelletizer to the same “high” standards!

78. chadt spews:

If he had ANY standards, you’d never see the pud here.

79. gs spews:

Half a million in Republican donations in 2 hours.

Tell us again about your Dorky Burnedout candidate, who has led nothing in her whole life?

80. chadt spews:

We can’t tell you losers anything, you’re immune to anything except your right wing mania.

You’ll have no choice but to listen to the electorate in 2008 as they take revenge for your foisting off that spoiled little rich boy and his psychopathic handler.

Then you can see for yourself where you stand.

Have a nice decade. We, here, will certainly enjoy it.

Cheers.

81. Marvin Stamn spews:

#32 chadt says:

We can’t tell you losers anything, you’re immune to anything except your right wing mania.
You’ll have no choice but to listen to the electorate in 2008 as they take revenge for your foisting off that spoiled little rich boy and his psychopathic handler.

  
The rove plan is working exactly like he said it would. hehe

82. SeattleJew spews:

@75 Martin

WADR … I for one welcome real comments here … from the right top bottom or left. What I dislike ti sthe ad hminem silly name calling.

as for your posts .. I wish someone with more , well knowledge? was posting. You tend to spread the same drivel that is on conservative talk radio.

In contrast, Roger Rabbit, who can be very verbose, also often has real content .. esp in his area of legal expertise.

One thing you might consider as you hide under the cloak of anonymity, if you actually have knowedge or expertise man .. use it!

83. chadt spews:

@81

Then you should be delighted that you and he share the same level of contempt in here. HEHEHE

84. chadt spews:

It’s surprising, Marvy, that your Republican handlers let you out by yourself so late at night.

Or are things so bad what with the Craig outing that they’re making you work overtime? You better do a better job for them than you have been, or their abuse is likely to get worse.

Poor Marvin, all alone in here…..

85. Windie spews:

Rujax, what about me? I didn’t think anyone even remembered I existed >

86. Puddybud spews:

Windie: I remember you. In fact did you read/listen to what Chris Matthews said about peeps of your persuasion cruising bathrooms?

You should look it up!

87. Marvin Stamn spews:

Democrats are caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Let’s count how many democrats were caught in the “Tennessee waltz” sting.

Kathryn Bowers (d) & Ward Crutchfield (d)
Former Sen. Ward Crutchfield, D-Chattanooga, and former Sen. Kathryn Bowers, D-Memphis, have also pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing.
http://www.wkrn.com/node/114608
  
former state Sen. Roscoe Dixon(d)
Ford and former Sen. Roscoe Dixon were convicted at trial while the others pleaded guilty.
Dixon, also a Memphis Democrat, was convicted late last year of bribery andextortion and is serving a five-year prison sentence.

http://www.wkrn.com/node/114608
  
John Ford (d)
Ford, who spent three decades in the Senate and took the most bribe money by far of the Tennessee Waltz lawmakers, is a member of one of Memphis’ most active political families. He is the uncle of former Congressman and U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr., now chairman of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.
John Ford still faces unrelated federal charges in Nashville, where he is accused of misreporting $800,000 in payments from contractors with TennCare, the state’s medical insurance program for the poor.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PUBLIC_CORRUPTION_FORD?SITE=ININS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    
Marv’s commentary – And like a true democrat/liberal, why do for yourself when you can have the government pay for you-
  
State Sen. John Ford may ask for a public defender to represent him, so the taxpayers can pay for his defense against charges of bribery, conspiracy and witness intimidation.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/NEWS02/50526002
  
  
Marv’s commentary – Of course this is a liberal blog so the crimes of your party not only go unreported, your democrat criminals get tacit approval.
This works well here, unfortunately the moderates that decide how elections will turn out are seeing the democrat party for what it is, and it’s no different from the publican party.

88. Marvin Stamn spews:

It turns out that article I linked to yesterday about contributions to the hillary campaign is getting notice even by the liberal los angeles times.
  
WASHINGTON — For the last 15 years, California authorities have been trying to figure out what happened to a businessman named Norman Hsu, who pleaded no contest to grand theft, agreed to serve up to three years in prison and then seemed to vanish.

Since 2004, one Norman Hsu has been carving out a prominent place of honor among Democratic fundraisers. He has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions into party coffers, much of it earmarked for presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-hsu29aug29,1,5355884.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=2&cset=true
  
Marv’s commentary – Is there anyone here (except us trolls) that believes both parties are corrupt? Anyone? Don’t be afraid to speak, discard your group-think mentality.

89. Marvin Stamn spews:

Another drunk driver caught, lives of innocent children were saved!
 
State Senator Jeff Rabon was arrested on a drunken driving complaint Monday evening after a multi-car accident, authorities said.
http://www.kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=134915
  
Marv’s commentary – of course the party affiliation wasn’t mentioned probably meaning he is a proud democrat.
http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/senate/Senators/biographies/rabon_bio.html
Yup, he’s a democrat.

90. chadt spews:

Marvin, you must be disabled and forced to work for the Republican Trollers Ass., and that’s really sad. It must be truly awful to have to sit there, day after day, shilling for an organization that doesn’t pay unskilled workers what even YOU are worth, just to get money for wine.

Cut and paste propaganda is certainly depressing to deal with, but if you don’t perform you can’t keep the DTs away, and you end hallucinating even more.

I fear for your future when the last of the Republican leaders get jailed for sex offenses.

Perhaps we can see if President Clinton will have a social program for your kind after she takes office.

91. Marvin Stamn spews:

#42 chadt says:

Marvin, you must be disabled and forced to work for the Republican Trollers Ass., and that’s really sad. It must be truly awful to have to sit there, day after day, shilling for an organization that doesn’t pay unskilled workers what even YOU are worth, just to get money for wine.
Cut and paste propaganda is certainly depressing to deal with, but if you don’t perform you can’t keep the DTs away, and you end hallucinating even more.
I fear for your future when the last of the Republican leaders get jailed for sex offenses.
Perhaps we can see if President Clinton will have a social program for your kind after she takes office

  
Democrat Talking Points, page 46, paragraph 2.
Attack me while you are too scared to address a single article about democrat crimes. I don’t blame you, it’s hard to blame all the corruption on publicans if you know any facts about your party.

92. Lee spews:

@88
Marvin,
There is always corruption in both parties, but the level of corruption exhibited by the corrupt Republican Party, from the Abramoff K Street scandals, to the politicization of the Justice System under Gonzalez, to the massive dishonesty that ended with us having our entire military completely stuck in the Middle East and draining the federal budget, FAR outweighs anything seen from the Democratic Party in modern times. Even my fucking cat knows that.

93. chadt spews:

@91 Marvy

Is that the best you can do? Canned comment #3a?

To either attack OR respond to you, I’d have to regard you as credible. Cut & paste from the Republican Trolling Manual doesn’t do it.

You’re just in here to waste our time and make noise. Like Fox news. Fortunately for you, I have nothing better to do today than take out garbage and launder the dogs.

94. Lee spews:

@93
In the wonderful world of Marvin Stamn, a Democrat caught with $90,000 in his freezer who becomes a pariah to his party is the same thing as when Republicans lose track of $10 billion and hundreds of thousands of weapons in Iraq while Republicans shrug.

95. Marvin Stamn spews:

Lee says:
@93


In the wonderful world of Marvin Stamn, a Democrat caught with $90,000 in his freezer who becomes a pariah to his party is the same thing as when Republicans lose track of $10 billion and hundreds of thousands of weapons in Iraq while Republicans shrug.

  
Good point, it’s the publicans losing the money. So what are the elected democrats doing, just fishing and otherr hobbies instead of working? What is their job, sit back and let the publicans do all the work?

96. Lee spews:

@95
Henry Waxman has already held hearings on the lost money but I’m not sure about the lost weapons. Right now, the Democratic Congress is so inundated with various Republican scandals, they really don’t have the resources to crack down on it all.

Much of the investigation into the wasted Pentagon spending was being done by the U.S. Attorney in Los Angeles who was forced out of her job for “performance reasons”.

I’d love to see the Democrats do more, but I actually pay attention to what’s happening, so I have a better understanding of the uphill battle they have to climb in order to do so.

97. Marvin Stamn spews:

Bipatisainship is back. It’s no longer just the publicans cheating.
  
 
The Federal Election Commission (FEC/Commission) announced today that it has reached a settlement with America Coming Together (ACT) regarding violations of federal campaign finance laws during the 2004 Presidential election.  ACT
http://www.fec.gov/press/press2007/20070829act.shtml
  
Marv’s commentary – A major democrat/liberal organization gets caught. Any mention of it on the MSM media tonight or is the gay larry craig a bigger story?

98. Marvin Stamn spews:

#96 Lee says:

@95
Henry Waxman has already held hearings on the lost money but I’m not sure about the lost weapons. Right now, the Democratic Congress is so inundated with various Republican scandals, they really don’t have the resources to crack down on it all.

@95
 
Kudos to the democrats for catching scooter libby in a perjury trap. He wasn’t found to be the leaker of the cia agent, just a perjurer. Just as useful of tax dollars as the perjury trap used on clinton.
Any other major convictions to show for all the money being wasted on investigations?

99. Lee spews:

@97
Marv’s commentary – A major democrat/liberal organization gets caught. Any mention of it on the MSM media tonight or is the gay larry craig a bigger story?

If a right-leaning PAC was caught doing the same thing on the same day that Jim McGreevey was outed as being gay, what do you think the top story on the news would be? It hasn’t nothing to do with partisan bias, you retard, it has to do with the kinds of stories that draw viewers. Jesus, were you born yesterday?

100. Lee spews:

@98
Kudos to the democrats for catching scooter libby in a perjury trap.

Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was a life long Republican.

He wasn’t found to be the leaker of the cia agent, just a perjurer.

Perjury is a crime, Marvin.

Just as useful of tax dollars as the perjury trap used on clinton.

Except that with Clinton, he was lying to protect his marriage and his reputation. Libby was lying to protect his boss from being indicted for outing a CIA agent (and compromising an anti-proliferation operation within the CIA). Small different (well, to patriots).

Any other major convictions to show for all the money being wasted on investigations?

We can do this all day, Marvin. Your stupidity is like a canvas to me.

101. chadt spews:

Hey, Marvin, how is the famous musician shtick working for you these days?

Written your congressional people yet to complain about postal taxes?

And I guess that because you’re not anti-gay but deplore the “gay agenda” and those who support it, you’re more than confused about the Larry Craig Song and Dance Show.

How would YOU rate your credibility here Marv, or Cruchon, or whoever the personality-in-charge is today?

102. Marvin Stamn spews:

#53 chadt says:

Hey, Marvin, how is the famous musician shtick working for you these days?

  
Never said I was a famous musician. If you believe I did, please provide the link.
  

How would YOU rate your credibility here Marv, or Cruchon, or whoever the personality-in-charge is today?

  
The same as anyone that speaks up against groupthink.

103. Marvin Stamn spews:

@98


He wasn’t found to be the leaker of the cia agent, just a perjurer.
Perjury is a crime, Marvin.

  
Agreed. Shame scooter got pardoned instead of spending his time in jail.
 

Just as useful of tax dollars as the perjury trap used on clinton.
Except that with Clinton, he was lying to protect his marriage and his reputation.

  
Like you said, perjury is a crime. What’s the difference between clinton lying to save his family/reputation and larry craig lying?
  

Libby was lying to protect his boss from being indicted for outing a CIA agent (and compromising an anti-proliferation operation within the CIA).

  
Scooter libby worked for richard armitage?

104. chadt spews:

@103 MARVY

You speak up against groupthink using conservative groupthink?????

Wonderful.

Very credible indeed.

105. Lee spews:

@103
Scooter libby worked for richard armitage?

Hahaha! Keep fighting against the groupthink, retard!!

106. Marvin Stamn spews:

#105 Lee says:
@103


Scooter libby worked for richard armitage?
Hahaha! Keep fighting against the groupthink, retard!!

  
You (Lee) said #100 Libby was lying to protect his boss from being indicted for outing a CIA agent.
  
I asked the question if scooter worked for the person that outed the cia agent, richard armitage. Let me ask this , who is scooter’s boss? Who outed the spy? Are they the same person?
  
I’m sure you know richard armitage admits he’s the one that outed the undercover agent.

“Oh I feel terrible. Every day, I think I let down the president. I let down the Secretary of State. I let down my department, my family and I also let down Mr. and Mrs. Wilson,” he says.

When asked if he feels he owes the Wilsons an apology, he says, “I think I’ve just done it.”

In July 2003, Armitage told columnist Robert Novak that Ambassador Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA, and Novak mentioned it in a column. It’s a crime to knowingly reveal the identity of an undercover CIA officer. But Armitage didn’t yet realize what he had done.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/eveningnews/main1981433.shtml

  

Armitage’s admission led to a flurry of anxious phone calls and meetings that day at the State Department. (Days earlier, the Justice Department had launched a criminal investigation into the Plame leak after the CIA informed officials there that she was an undercover officer.) Within hours, William Howard Taft IV, the State Department’s legal adviser, notified a senior Justice official that Armitage had information relevant to the case. The next day, a team of FBI agents and Justice prosecutors investigating the leak questioned the deputy secretary. Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson’s wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/

107. Lee spews:

@106
I asked the question if scooter worked for the person that outed the cia agent, richard armitage. Let me ask this , who is scooter’s boss? Who outed the spy? Are they the same person?

No, you simply asked if Libby worked for Armitage. Armitage was the first person to publicly disclose Plame’s name to a reporter, but that does not mean that Libby was lying to protect him. In fact, in makes no sense at all that Libby would lie to protect Armitage. Why don’t you dust off a little something called common sense and try to figure out on your own who Libby might be trying to protect. I’ll give you some time to ponder that one.

If you’ve actually followed this case, you’d know that although Armitage was the first person to leak Plame’s name, the leaking was done to several reporters and administration officials (including Karl Rove) are still actively bullshitting us (or, as Matthew Cooper delicately put it this past weekend – dissembling) about what really happened.

But if you still want to beleive that Libby was lying to protect Armitage, you’re more than welcome to. It wouldn’t even be in the top five of the stupidest things I’ve heard from you this week.

108. Marvin Stamn spews:

#107 Lee says:

@106
I asked the question if scooter worked for the person that outed the cia agent, richard armitage. Let me ask this , who is scooter’s boss? Who outed the spy? Are they the same person?
No, you simply asked if Libby worked for Armitage. Armitage was the first person to publicly disclose Plame’s name to a reporter, but that does not mean that Libby was lying to protect him. In fact, in makes no sense at all that Libby would lie to protect Armitage. Why don’t you dust off a little something called common sense and try to figure out on your own who Libby might be trying to protect. I’ll give you some time to ponder that one.
If you’ve actually followed this case, you’d know that although Armitage was the first person to leak Plame’s name, the leaking was done to several reporters and administration officials (including Karl Rove) are still actively bullshitting us (or, as Matthew Cooper delicately put it this past weekend – dissembling) about what really happened.
But if you still want to beleive that Libby was lying to protect Armitage, you’re more than welcome to. It wouldn’t even be in the top five of the stupidest things I’ve heard from you this week.

  
Of course I knew scooter wasn’t working for the man that outed the cia agent, I was pointing out the stupidity of your post when you said scooter was protecting his boss that outed the spy. Scooter’s boss didn’t out the spy, armitage did.
   
Since we both agree that armitage was the person that outed the spy, how could you write “#100 Libby was lying to protect his boss from being indicted for outing a CIA agent.” The spy was already outed by armitage.
  
Any reason armitage wasn’t indicted for outing the spy, besides the fact he’s not one of bush’s guys?

109. Lee spews:

@108
Of course I knew scooter wasn’t working for the man that outed the cia agent, I was pointing out the stupidity of your post when you said scooter was protecting his boss that outed the spy.

What’s stupid about it? It’s absolutely true. His boss was Dick Cheney, and it is widely known that Cheney wanted to use the fact that Wilson’s wife was a CIA agent as a way to discredit him (by making his fact-finding tour look shady). Why else would Libby perjure himself and obstruct justice?

Scooter’s boss didn’t out the spy, armitage did.

Actually, several people were leaking her name to reporters at around the same time. You’re not stupid enough to think that was a coincidence, are you?

Since we both agree that armitage was the person that outed the spy, how could you write “#100 Libby was lying to protect his boss from being indicted for outing a CIA agent.” The spy was already outed by armitage.

Because anyone with an IQ over 10 knows that Armitage wasn’t the only one doing it and that there were others who had a strong motive to have it publicly known that Valerie Plame was Joe Wilson’s wife in order to discredit him.

Any reason armitage wasn’t indicted for outing the spy, besides the fact he’s not one of bush’s guys?

Because, as I’ve already explained to you, in order to prosecute someone under the statute, you have to prove that there’s actual malicious intent. That can’t be proven for Armitage, but the reason the investigation took the path it did was because Fitzgerald believed that he could prove intent with Cheney (or possibly Bush or Rove). Libby’s efforts to deflect Fitzgerald likely saved his boss (Cheney) but got him rung up for obstruction of justice and perjury.

I know this is a complicated case. If you want to brush up a bit, the Wikipedia page is actually very helpful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_Affair

Also, a blogger named Marcy Wheeler has written extensively about the case, and might be able to help you understand it better. You can use the Google for her book if you’d like. There are times where I’m actually convinced that you’re smart enough to wrap your head around this stuff if you just take the time to recognize that your railings against “groupthink” are actually a pretty evolved form of groupthink in itself.

110. Another TJ spews:

His boss was Dick Cheney, and it is widely known that Cheney wanted to use the fact that Wilson’s wife was a CIA agent as a way to discredit him (by making his fact-finding tour look shady). Why else would Libby perjure himself and obstruct justice?

And here the juror statements after the trial are instructive. Several of them wondered why the VP wasn’t also indicted; they clearly understood that Libby was acting at the behest and in defense of Cheney.

111. Lee spews:

@110
Precisely. The Plame case was a gift to spinmeisters. It was complicated enough that you could know 90% of the facts and still be programmed to reach a number of incorrect conclusions.

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