by Carl, 09/23/2013, 7:58 AM

14 Responses to “Open Thread 9/23”

1. No Time for Fascists spews:

This explains why there is no point in ever responding to the person who is pretending to be puddy

Nyan and his collaborators have been running experiments trying to answer this terrifying question about American voters: Do facts matter?

The answer, basically, is no. When people are misinformed, giving them facts to correct those errors only makes them cling to their beliefs more tenaciously.

The problem is, while us liberal think liberals correct their mistakes to keep up with reality while conservatives correct their reality to keep up with their mistakes, the fact say that this applies to everyone, not just people like puddy’s puppet master. Liberals are not immune to this behavior.

2. Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

Yes, I saw that study, too, and I thought the same thing – both the need for self-reflection and intellectual honesty in my behavior, and the futility in trying to convince an opponent with facts about their belief system.

It’s an ongoing challenge to be critical in thought, and honest with oneself, avoiding comfortable myths and cliches.

In the HuffPo piece you link to, all the examples of impaired numeracy were with right-wing tropes – climate change denialism, gun control, Iraqi WMDs (or lack thereof). Did they actually demonstrate the same phenomenon among liberals, with liberal myths?

There isn’t necessarily complete symmetry – could this be a right-wing thing? – like the findings with various brain structures or performance in psychological tests for stress or fear or whatnot.

Students who reported more ‘conservative’ political views tended to have larger amygdalae, a structure in the temporal lobes that performs a primary role in the processing and memory of emotions. On the other hand, more ‘liberal’ students tended to have a larger volume of grey matter in the anterior cingulate cortex, a structure of the brain associated with monitoring uncertainty and handling conflicting information.


Liberals were significantly more likely than conservatives to show activity in the brain circuits that deal with conflicts during the experiment, and this correlated with their greater accuracy in the test.


Persons with right-wing views had greater skin conductance response, indicating greater sympathetic nervous system response, to threatening images than those with left-wing views in one study.

3. Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

With regard to the puddybigot, it’s obviously pointless to engage him with the hope of a meaningful or earnest interaction and debate of ideas.

I find it fun to taunt him, and I also have an aversion to letting bullshit go unanswered – particularly when it’s as gratuitously wrong/deluded as his posts almost invariably are.

Plus, I think the puddybigot/puddyperv comes here for the abuse – I’ve always wondered just what motivated a troll to meet the implacable resistance he finds here – most fold eventually (see CheapshotBob). The only explanation I have is that puddybigot gets pervy satisfaction from the degradation. This is a recent realization for me, and it has me wondering just how much I want to engage him – given what seems to be the nature of the gratification he gets, from degradation that he invites.

4. Deathfrogg spews:

Ah yes, The old stuff the ballot box trick.

With the GOP firmly in charge in Michigan, and the election pretty much a dog and pony show for the taxpayers, and the near total privatization of the City administration, who woulda thunk it? Old tricks are the best tricks.

5. No Time for Fascists spews:

(The side show barker sets up his stand.)
“Step right up folks. Place your bets. Will we have a government shutdown because the republicans won’t fund the Affordable Care Act? How long do you think it will last?”

Today, I am betting YES. The tea bagger contingent won’t see reason because the conservative talk radio media is endlessly saying a shut down is no big deal and relentlessly fueling the anger that Obamacare is the worst thing ever. The baggers know if they do the right thing, they will be primaried out of a job.
I bet the shut down lasts until constituent paychecks stop going out.

What’s your bets?

6. Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

I’m not sure I understand Senate procedural rules sufficiently, but it seems that Reid needs some Republicans to add up to 60 votes to avoid Cruz’s filibuster of the present bill, and to open and close debate.

With cloture, ACA funding can be added by majority (easy), and then it’s back to the House, where Boehner can, with Pelosi’s help, gather some sane people and keep the government running.

It all seems to hinge on finding 7 not-insane Republican Senators. I suspect that will happen, if only to put Cruz in his place – apparently many in his caucus despise him.

I bet no shutdown.

7. Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

I think a shutdown would be politically devastating for the GOP. They’d be left as obviously and undeniably beholden to the Teahaddists. That would sit well with the 20 or 30% who are such loons. I suspect that fracture lines would expand, and the implosion of the party would be a possibility. It could be an interesting realignment in party structure – a ~30% crazy (and shrinking) party, a sane conservative party (to which some right-leaning Dems might migrate) and an honestly liberal faction of Democrats, that I suspect might have a plurality.

8. rhp6033 spews:

The potential shutdown is a lesson on why the President should not have attempted to comprimise with the Republicans when the first fiscal crisis began. It only encourages them.

9. rhp6033 spews:

Heck, even Ben Stein said on Sunday that the Tea Party activists in the House who are trying to shut down the government are crazy. And Ben Stein started his career as a Nixon speach writer.

10. No Time for Fascists spews:

Here’s my logic. It may be politically devastating for the National Republican party, but the tea bagger representatives have constituents who will vote them out of office if they cooperate. These are people who won’t vote for the good of the country, why would they vote for the good of the republican party?
Right wing radio and blogs are giving them no way to back down. Look at redstate, listen to the three conservative talk radio stations just in Seattle. They are hell bend on destroying all who allow the ACA to be funded.

11. Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

the tea bagger representatives have constituents who will vote them out of office if they cooperate.

I wonder if that offers an opportunity for a bipartisan process of ‘un-gerrymandering’ – making the districts less insanely partisan, particularly in places like Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Texas?

12. Deathfrogg spews:

so, the future of the Mortgage-service industry is to ignore original terms of the loan, deliberately delay escrow account based tax payments, then foreclose on the property and sell it without the homeowners knowledge. So much for those venerated TeaNazis sacred property rights.

35 Million people have been thrown out of their homes over the last 5 or 6 years, and nearly 2/3 of it is absolute fraud on the part of the bankers. Using hired temps to sign off on forclosure documents, deliberately delaying tax payments, rejecting payments made more than a few days late. It is such a wonderful thing to be rich these days. Nothing is forbidden.

13. EvergreenRailfan spews:

Interesting with the German Election, history was made, two people of Senegalese origin were elected. A Social Democrat in Halle, Sachsen-Anhalt, and a Christian Democrat from Munich in Bavaria. The latter is history for the CDU/CSU, first Muslim elected to the Bundestag as a member of the Christian Democrats.

The makeup of the next government still in doubt, Merkel’s liberal, peo-business Free Democratic allies as expected, did not clear the 5% threshold, and the CDU is 4 seats short of an outright majority, and the SDU is saying that a grand coalition is not a foregone conclusion.

14. EvergreenRailfan spews:

Double post.