Open thread 9-16-05

Talk about whatever you wanna talk about, but me… I’m still waiting to hear from Dino Rossi.

Comments

  1. 2

    spews:

    A neocon is just a donk who grew up. This usually takes place once a donk get his first real job. Some donks never grow up.

  2. 3

    The Notorius P.I.E. spews:

    Bartelby; I like any wikipedia fan. Thank you for posting the link. You can be a flaming lib for all I care. You and I are now friends.

    Also, dig the shot of Wolfowitz, That is kind of scary.

    All joking asside, while in college, I found wikipedia to be the best and most balanced of all the online encyclopedias. It is a lot more meat and potatos (sic-blessed be Dan Quayle)than Stanford and answers.com is a straight plagerism of wiki.

    All here should learn to live and love wikipedia.com

  3. 5

    JCH spews:

    Bush is soooo evil he can create hurricanes to destroy only the black communities. I KNOW this because Maxine Waters and REV “Calipso” Louis told me so!!

  4. 7

    headless lucy spews:

    “Wikipedia”??????????? Does it have anything to do with middle age wiccan females with bad arches? I sure hope not!!!

  5. 9

    headless lucy spews:

    re 8 : I wanted to remind you that you are a NEGRO, but I guess I won’t———-for now!!!

  6. 10

    David spews:

    Conservatives have been telling us for a long time that we need a smaller government; that government is the problem, not the solution; that everyone has to take responsibility for themselves and not wait for the government to help you.

    The federal government’s tepid response to hurricane Katrina was a triumph of conservative ideology.

    Don’t rely on the government to help you. The government will not help you. It’s not there to help you. It should not be helping you. If you’re poor and stuck in New Orleans when a Category Four hurricane hits, fuck off, it’s your own damn fault. You should have gotten rich and gotten out beforehand. If you had escaped poverty (a trivial task requiring only fortitude, good grammar, morals and education), you could have escaped New Orleans on your own and you wouldn’t be begging for help. Government is not here to help the wretched, teeming masses, it’s to facilitate things for those of us who are privileged and successful; its role is to protect our property and lives and otherwise basically let us do what we want. That’s how the System works.

    The trouble is, Americans are now horrified by the consequences of letting that ideology run America. We WANT our government to help. That’s what we think it’s FOR. So now, belatedly, out come the platitudes (along with plenty of blame-the-victim commentary on the side) and the reconstruction plans (that will almost certainly benefit the well-connected at the expense of the poor, and will be paid for with cuts to social aid programs rather than (horrors!) with revenue from progressive taxes).

    Maybe this will lead people to doubt the value of the conservatives’ “small-government” mantra. But that motto was already a sham, ever since the Republicans controlled the Congress and the White House and learned about power. No, the more things change, the more they stay the same; our brief collective outrage about FEMA’s failures under Bush will fade away and be replaced by more government spending on cronyism, sweetheart deals, contracts and projects on behalf of the well-off and insiders (Republicans and Democrats alike). Nothing new. Conservatism has taken a hit, but the politicians will soldier on.

    So: If you had to choose one or the other, would you rail against the way the System works, or try to take advantage of it?

  7. 11

    The Notorius P.I.E. spews:

    Mt. Olympus;

    That is interesting, what is the GNU? I have not heard of this before.

    I just figured no website had any sort of copyright/ intellectual property type rights. Do some? How would they ever inforce it on the information super highway?

    Cool, I get to learn something on horsesass today.

  8. 12

    headless lucy spews:

    re 6: ” 2000 dollars buys a lot of King Cobra.” JCH

    You republican niggers find a statement like that less racist than calling PacMan Lionel? You’re crazy!!!!!!!!! And I apologized for that(calling PacMan Lionel). PacMan is Shaft. Or Urkel……….

  9. 13

    headless lucy spews:

    “Intellectual Property”— definition: Bill Gates stealing APPLE technology , copywriting it, and marketing it as his own. He’s his daddy’s son! A lawyer at heart, really.

  10. 14

    JCH spews:

    10…..David…..How is a 2 TRILLION dollar a year federal budget “small government”? Today, taxes take 30-40% of a average WORKING family’s income [FICA, FED, State, Local, direct, indirect, porperty, gas, etc]. David, perhaps an ECON 101 course would educate you to reality. Democrats: domestic economic terrorists. Atlas has Shrugged.

  11. 15

    JCH spews:

    12…..OK, How about gold chains, Louis Vitton travel bags, or cases of Marlboros? Headless Lucy: Maxine Waters?

  12. 17

    JCH spews:

    Headless Lucy: Sheila Jackson Lee, DEMOCRAT, TX: “Drive the Mars “Rover” [Buggy] over to where the astronauts left the American flag”. The joke is understood by white America.

  13. 18

    JCH spews:

    WASHINGTON — Senior officials in Louisiana’s emergency planning agency already were awaiting trial over allegations stemming from a federal investigation into waste, mismanagement and missing funds when Hurricane Katrina struck.And federal auditors are still trying to track as much as $60 million in unaccounted. [Democrats: domestic economic terrorists, with the integrity and class of Maxine Waters!]

  14. 19

    JCH spews:

    $60 Million of FEMA money missing in Louisiana in 1998? THIS, under the presidency of Bill & Hillary Clinton? Will wonders never cease!
    ….. NOW, maybe we know why the Louisiana governor dragged her feet in requesting government assistance.
    ….. NOW, maybe we know why Congressman William Jefferson requested the National Guard to take him home, so he could get personal things out of his flooded house.
    ….. NOW, maybe we know why Hillary is in such a BIG HURRY to blame everything on President Bush.

    Wow! Those Clinton White House days were really something!
    Also under the Bill and Hillary presidency, the amount of $59 BILLION disappeared from Andrew Cuomo’s HUD. I can’t remember who the Bill and Hil blamed for that one, but it was too soon for W to take the brunt. [Democrats: The joke is understood by those who pay the bills.]

  15. 20

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    I thought Wikipedia was an on-line ‘do it yourself’ encyclopedia, in which anyone (even BallslessLooney) can submit any information on any subject. Because of that, I always considered it unreliable given that it would reflect the bias of the author in whatever facts were there.

    Am I wrong?

    …and no, ballsless, that was NOT a question for you.

  16. 21

    Chuck spews:

    headless lucy@13
    But you missed the important part, the Apple technology had not beed yet applied to an IBM based computer, so Gates effectivly improved the product then applied for a patent. Kind of like what Kieth Black industries did to the Chrysler 426 Hemi.

  17. 23

    Heath spews:

    PIE@11

    The GNU Public License is a way that some people release copyrighted works. GNU is an organization trying to write a UNIX operating system under that sort of license. GNU stands for “GNU is Not UNIX.” Linux is a GNU-licensed operating system written by Linus Torvalds, for example. The GNU project itself was begun by Richard Stallman.

    All material you publish, whether on paper, radio, television, or the Internet, is copyright by you automatically. You can license that material in ways that others can use, however. That is what wikipedia is — a web site where all agree that they are publishing under the GPL. So the material is still copyrighted, but the license allows free reuse under most circumstances.

    Ass@14 – You are correct that wikipedia is written by volunteers, and an anonymous person could deface the pages, or any person could insert bias. Here is why I think that does not matter in practice: 1. A friend of mine inserted 24 factual errors into the wikipedia; within 4 weeks all of them had been found and fixed. These ranged from obvious to trivial, and the major errors were fixed within a day. 2. It’s really a chore to maintain a biased page. People with the opposite bias get into ‘editing wars’ and the bias keeps switching back and forth. Eventually, people get tired and give up.

  18. 24

    JCH spews:

    16…….Dan B. [asshole], I must have misses your asshole post when Al Gore’s kid got busted for speeding with dope in the car, or Teddy [“Oldsmobile”] Kennedy killed Mary Jo. Democrats: Lead by Mayor Coleman “Crackhead” Young and Teddy “Chevas” Kennedy, domestic economic terrorists

  19. 25

    JCH spews:

    At least 25 people have been arrested and accused of attempting to ”double dip” and fraudulently receive Hurricane Katrina relief funds from the American Red Cross, Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt announced Friday. The arrests were made Thursday and Friday [OK.here’s a test for HS posters. Ready, here we go!! Name the political party of those arrested….. [hehe]

  20. 26

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    JCH @ 24 – Not to mention WJC settling an assault case for $800k and losing his law license.

  21. 28

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Breaking…
    Son of Florida Gov. Bush Arrested
    Fucking drunks. We are being led by a family of drunks & dope addicts. -Comment by Dan B— 9/17/05 @ 10:01 am

    Oh Gee, a 21yo college student drung… imagine that.

    Whoop de do.

  22. 29

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    I guess we forgot to mention the KennedyClan Rape club too, eh?

    But what’s murder, rape and drugs compared to a college partier?

  23. 30

    JCH spews:

    I want to confirm something that I referenced in the last hour. I got an e-mail from a subscriber at Rush 24/7 that there was a story in the Lafayette, Louisiana newspaper that Mary Landrieu had succeeded in getting a bunch of buses on the street to get people to the polls to vote for her in 1996 [PROOF that Democrats treat blacks like livestock!! Maxine Lucy, Did you help bus the “livestock” to market?

  24. 34

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Oh he mumbles something about a rip or vacation or something…who knows? I onlyu half pay attention to his screeds, rantings, mouthfrothing and over use of his “Say it!” button. He’ll be back… just like a bad penny and the Clintons.

  25. 35

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Proud Ass – Yeah, Wabbit is wrong about a lot of things, but at least he’s intelligent and coherent. More fun talking to him than Donna or Lucy who just vomit stoopid incoherent crap.

    Wabbit also said he had serious illness a while ago that could recur. That’s what makes me wonder if he’s OK.

  26. 36

    enough_of_this_bullshit spews:

    The Wabbit is okay….

    The new fall season has started on Fox and he just can’t get enough of their new shows.

    he’s on pins and needles waiting for the new fall shows on the WB

  27. 37

    JCH spews:

    Why “Filter Hell” on an open thread? [Think about this. It’s kind of Hillary never taking a question.]

  28. 41

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    LiberalDave @ Scoop thread @ 17

    Seriously… I know a lot of people. I work in big office with hundreds of people. I have lots of friends. None are libs. None hate GWB. All agree that government is out of control. All sign onto Tim’s initiatives.

    You and I live in totally different worlds that are strange and foreign to the other.

    I’m fascinated with the question of why city cores tend to be so extremely liberal, and why suburbs and rural areas tend to be more conservative. My hypothesis is that city living is so contrived and artificial that it leads to a loss of a sense of reality, but I need more “meat” to get an understanding.

  29. 42

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Forget my post @36. LiberalDave is just another hate filled extremist asshole librul. My mistake for thinking he might be up for intelligent discussion.

  30. 43

    headless lucy spews:

    re 13: To be fair to Gates , he told the people at APPLE that their technology was big stuff and they should copywrite it, but they weren’t interested. So he did it for himself. I think I read recently that microsoft did the same thing with some i-pod technology they’d developed. I think that’s very foolish and reckless of APPLE and I would not invest any of my hard earned dollars in a company that will not look out for it’s own interests.

    My point though is this: Bill Gates is not so much a developmental genius , but his genius lies, rather, in his unique ability to look at new computer technology and see the broad possible commercial applications of it. Much like the post WWII Japan. I would not deliberately denigrate a truly skillful and generous entrepreneur like Mr. Gates. But I wouldn’t give him credit he doesn’t deserve either.

  31. 44

    righton spews:

    mtr; I think its related to the singal NPR puts out; their silent brainwashing gizmo; reaches the cities, not the burbs, hence all the liberal zombies.

  32. 47

    Heath spews:

    For those of you who live in Seattle:

    The city has a ‘block’ program that includes trainings and helps neighborhoods be prepared for emergencies:

    http://seattle.gov/projectimpa...../sdart.htm

    I haven’t met a block coordinator here, so I imagine my neighborhood does not have an SDART setup. It seems a little bureaucratic, although having a designated person to rope off downed power lines sounds gun. ;)

    I could imagine wanting to do something less formal than set up ‘teams’ with my neighbors. Still, I admire the city’s approach of wanting neighborhooods to fend for themselves after the coming disaster.

  33. 49

    headless lucy spews:

    re 36: Most of the time people just go along with an overt conservative because they ( the supposed conservative) are so opinionated and obdurately fanatical in their beliefs. I don’t think you relly know much of anything about what the people you work with think. They’re just shining you on and avoiding you when possible. You’re the kind of asshole who would start a whisper campaign against anyone who diusagreed with you. And your social musings are pathetic and childish.

  34. 50

    JCH spews:

    Two top administrators of a North Florida Head Start program took pleasure trips and decorated their homes at taxpayer expense, prosecutors said Friday after a federal grand jury charged the women with $75,000 worth of fraud. [Another reason why Republicans should just quit paying taxes. Care to guess the party of the two Head Start administrators?]

  35. 51

    bartelby spews:

    JCH: Do you have a point you wish to express? Stop beating around the bush, for christ’s sake. This isn’t the South Carolina GOP primary. Your wink n’ nod racism fools no one, so why don’t you get it off your chest and tell us. We’re all here for you, lil’ fella. Do share, please…

  36. 52

    JCH spews:

    44…. Bartelby………Wish I could. My posts never get through the left wing “filter”. [Joe Stalin had a similiar set up.]

  37. 53

    othisisrich@obvious.com spews:

    I knew it!

    Your Washington Extortion Association, who browbeats the hell out of us every couple of years about how insensitive and uncaring we are, is suffering through a strike of IT’S employees now.

    Turns out, the union’s screwing their internal staff. 1% payraise indeed! This, after the ‘bargaining fee’ structure is put into place, and their revenues are way up.

    That’s the trouble with all you ‘holier than thou’ types and the paucity of your arguments you throw at me. Hypocrites and I see through this long before an affirming article like this comes out.

    “Unions built this country”

    Yeah, well, someone had to give them a job in the first place, right?

  38. 54

    JCH spews:

    If no posts are getting through the filter, close this thread. What’s the difference, Dear Fidel?

  39. 55

    JCH spews:

    Speaking to about 70 paying Sundance guests on Saturday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discussed his new book, “Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and His Corporate Pals are Plundering the Country and Hijacking our Democracy.” “It is extremely critical of this president,” Kennedy said of his book. “Not because he’s a Republican, but because he did bad things on this issue. This is the worst environmental president in this nation’s history.” [Kennedy couldn’t stay long as his V8 limo SUV was eatting gas waiting to take him to his private Gulfstream 5 jet that was sucking “avgas” [JP5] on the runway.]

  40. 56

    JCH spews:

    The Federal Communications Commission has proposed distributing cell phones and 300 free minutes of call time to Hurricane Katrina evacuees in Louisiana. The move came after the state Public Service Commission asked FCC Chairman Kevin Martin to use his influence with the wireless telephone industry to help out the 1 million people evacuated [You can’t sell crack, order pizza, or “pimp your bitches” without a good cell phone!]

  41. 58

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    IDGAF–
    I heard about this editorial. Says it all.
    I have forwarded it to all my friends…R and D alike.
    I encourage all of those who are always RIGHT to do the same.

  42. 59

    Puddybud spews:

    IDGAF, another post that proves the donk moby trool moonbats have no concept of reality, let alone how people react to crises. Use people’s pain to provide an out for your failed policies.

  43. 60

    Puddybud spews:

    Cynical, IDGAF: I expect JustDumbBozo to say otherwise. Now that the lie of the dying person from Broussard was uncovered wadyathink?

  44. 61

    JCH spews:

    Sen. Mary Landrieu refused on Friday to withdraw or apologize for her threat to punch President Bush if he criticized Louisiana officials – despite Bush’s magnanimous speech Thursday night and a federal downpayment of more than $60 billion dollars to rebuild her state. [Without 300,000 New Orleans blacks she can bus to the polls, her ass is grass. [Note: Mary “found” 120 buses in 6 hours to bus blacks [Democrat livestock] to the polls in 2004, but, damn, no buses could be found after Hurricane Katrina. Who would have “thunk”?]

  45. 62

    The Notorius P.I.E. spews:

    Heath @ 23;

    Thank you, that explaination made a lot of sense. Appreciate it.

    Lucy @ 12;
    Did I run the test by you of who is allowed to use the N-word and who is not? It is really simple. “If you are willing and able to walk into Crenshaw, Watts, or even Hilltop Tacoma at 2 am, by yourself, without a weapon, and say the N-word to everyone you see, then your allowed to use it in public (or online, for that matter). If you are not willing to do that, then please reframe from racial slurs. You can easily use substitutes like “N-word” to get your point accross.

    I know what some might say; What is the difference? And as a WASP/Male/20 something, I don’t totally understand what the difference is either. What I do know is that word has a long history and a meaning that I am not able to appreciate, due to age, race, etc…, But the fast if not all of the african-american friends/family/coworkers/and so on, I have had in my live, say it makes a difference to them who uses it.

    I doubt your a racist, but unless you pass the test, maybe you should talk to some african-american and see if you posting on blogs using that word (in type) makes a difference to them.

  46. 63

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    I doubt your a racist, but unless you pass the test, maybe you should talk to some african-american and see if you posting on blogs using that word (in type) makes a difference to them. -Comment by The Notorius P.I.E.— 9/18/05 @ 10:56 am

    That would require a modicum of COURAGE from our big (and big-mouthed) brave wrestling coach, something he/she/it has yet to display.

  47. 64

    JCH spews:

    ZIMBABWEAN President Robert Mugabe has launched a virulent attack on Britain and the United States at the UN General Assembly, accusing them of “state terrorism” over the Iraq war. Mr Mugabe, whose relations with Britain, Zimbabwe’s former colonial ruler, have been frosty for years, also accused London of “abusing its privilege and acting dishonestly” for raising his government’s slum demolition campaign in the UN Security Council. [Jesse, REV Louis, REV Al, Maxine Waters, and Headless Lucy all agree!!!]

  48. 65

    Heath spews:

    PIE @49 – I got one bit wrong. The wikipedia is using the GNU Free Documentation License, which works for text material better than source code, unlike the GPL. Here is an explanation, of the GFDL, which was inspired by the GPL:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....on_License

    A friend of mine is an advocate of all voting software being open source. I think the wikipedia is a fine example of why open licensing creates value.

  49. 66

    Puddybud spews:

    Notorious PIE – Well said about that N-word. PacMan I hope you are reading. You do have friends who think on the right side. I was recently in NYC on a week job. I wouldn’t dream of saying that and I was on 32 & 8th Ave, where the NYC Library is located.

    So Lucite: Are you as transparent as we all think you are? Or are you a real man standing up firm and acknowledging your mistake and say I truly and fully apologize PacMan for the use and perceived implications derived from that word? Calling all Republicans house niggas is not how you win over your antagonists to your side. No, we dig in our heels, draw the real line in the sand and start lobbing them back.

  50. 67

    Puddybud spews:

    I do find it somewhat strange that David Goldstein, HA blogmaster, has not weighed in on this N-word argument. But as it stands, please release my last commentary soon Goldy.

  51. 68

    Puddybud spews:

    Here is something to chew on for a few minutes:

    TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930’s 40’s, 50’s and 60’s !!

    First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

    They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn’t get tested for diabetes.

    Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

    We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

    As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

    Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

    We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

    We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

    We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren’t overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

    We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

    No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

    We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

    We did not have Playstations, Nintendo’s, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms………WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

    We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

    We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

    We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

    We rode bikes or walked to a friend’s house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

    Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn’t had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

    The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

    This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

    The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

    We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

    If you were born in any of those decades, YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

    But along came the ACLU, ambulance chasing lawyers and the Democratic Party based government regulations and our lives were changed “for our own good”.

    So while you are reading this, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.

    Kind of makes you want to run through the office with scissors, doesn’t it, looking for the Head_up_the_Ass Lucites of the world!

  52. 70

    JCH spews:

    Watts, New Orleans, South Central, Gary, Detroit……….Bottom line: Roits and looting anytime they can get away with it. OK: What do all these lovely “Hillary Villages” all have in common?

  53. 71

    David spews:

    JCH @ 14: $2T/year is not “small government;” like I said, that phrase is hollow now, as Republicans got in charge and and made it bigger and bigger (while paying for less and less of it, I’d note . . . [who are the “domestic economic terrorists?” the minority party?]). It seems their governing philosophy is to take more and more and do less and less that benefits the average American.

    Secondly, yes, taxes (income, payroll, sales, and property taxes, and user fees) take a significant bite out of the income of most working Americans. And much less (cf. capital gains and inheritance taxes) from the privileged and well-to-do (who also have tax advisers and tax dodges available). So I think you’re reinforcing my point about the way the System is structured. I’ve taken Econ 101; have you taken Tax Policy?

    P.S.: Atlas Shrugged: good book, if you need an allegory against corruption and communism (not exactly where we are today, eh?). Unfortunately, Ayn Rand never addresses the problem that unrestrained capitalism does not cure all ills and does not create an ideal society by itself. At the same time, though, she has blessedly little patience for rich playboys, freeloaders, political manipulation and cronyism. Definitely some lessons to be had there. Anyway, I like The Fountainhead even better, as a paean to individual geatness and work.

  54. 73

    headless lucy spews:

    re 70: Your attitude here is why I called you a house coloured before. You just don’t seem to get the point. I’ll tell you what. Go listen to Bob Dylan’s, “With God On Our Side”, and see if you can see what I’m trying to tell you.

  55. 74

    JCH spews:

    73……Headless “Maxine” Lucy: George Bush is so evil that he is creating ANOTHER hurricane [RITA] to destroy Democrat Latinos just like he killed blacks with KATRINA. I know this because Maxine Waters and REV “Calipso” Louis took the call yesterday from the Democrat mother ship that is hiding behind the moon.

  56. 75

    JCH spews:

    71….David, Go to Rush Limbaugh’s free web to see the breakdowns of who really pays income taxes. The bottom 50% of income earners pay damn close to nothing. Most Democrats here in Hawaii work “off the books”. I’m retired at 50, and have NO intention of working into higher tax brackets. If 50 million Republicans merely quit, the parasite Democrats would howl. I say let them!! [Atlas has Shruged]

  57. 76

    JCH spews:

    73…..”Maxine Lucy”………Watts, South Central, New Orleans, Detroit…….Looting and riots……..Merely Democrats at play. [All Democrat controlled. Not a Republican within miles!]

  58. 77

    JCH spews:

    People in polar bear suits will be among those gathering in Washington on Tuesday to protest the Bush administration’s plan to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Congress is about to vote on a bill that might open the Alaskan refuge to oil drilling, and the Tuesday’s protest, organized by a coalition of environmental groups, is aimed at pressuring lawmakers to oppose the plan. Robert Kennedy, Jr… [Maxine Lucy….Is that you in the polar black suit? Classic!! No drilling, no nukes, no “war for oil”, no windmills off Kennedyland, no new refineries….Oh, Bush is responsible for high gas prices!!!!]

  59. 78

    JCH spews:

    Doctors from across the United States poured into Louisiana to offer their services in shelters and hospitals treating Katrina’s victims. They could do nothing. They just sat. You see, they weren’t licensed to practice medicine in Louisiana. It took the amazing Governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, five days to sign a waiver to allow these doctors to practice medicine in Louisiana. Five days, while people were suffering and dying. Don’t blame Blanco, though. It was clearly Bush’s fault.[Democrats are amusing, aren’t they?]

  60. 79

    David spews:

  61. 80

    JCH spews:

    79…….Er, David, Because of liability from Democrat trail lawyers named Edwards, Loeb, Goldstein, Goodman, Rosenburg, etc., doctors seem to withhold services when not OFFICIALLY licensed to practice medicine. DUH? Something about lawsuits filed against MDs that you forgot to mention. [Note there were plenty of Democrat trail lawyers around to sue anyone for “civil rights” violations.]

  62. 81

    David spews:

    JCH @ 75: “David, Go to Rush Limbaugh’s free web to see the breakdowns of who really pays income taxes. The bottom 50% of income earners pay damn close to nothing.”

    Ah, the artful selection and interpretation of numbers. Yes, we have a progressive income tax; we knew that already. The data Rush posted just show how big an income gap there is between the majority of Americans (poor and middle class) and the elite (rich). The top 50% of income earners in 2000 had 87% of all the reported income that year. The top 25% of taxpayers raked in 67% of all taxable income in 2000. And almost half of all taxable income that year (46%) was in the hands of just 10% of taxpayers. So that leaves 54% of taxable income divided across 90% of the tax-paying population, 33% of total income divided across 75% of the taxpayers, and just 13% of all income divided across 50% of the taxpayers. So it’s pretty obvious that half of American workers weren’t getting paid much. The bottom rate in 2000 (all the way up to $26,250) was only 15%, minus the standard deduction (and you weren’t required to file at all if your gross income was under $7,200). So, um, duh, they didn’t pay a significant percentage of the total income taxes collected that year.

    The bottom half of income earners did, however, kick in a lot more (especially relative to their incomes) in payroll taxes (FICA/FUTA) and sales taxes. Meanwhile, the wealthy dodge whatever taxes they can and make money through capital gains (trading stocks) instead of taxable wage income (working).

    Wealthy folks have nothing to envy the poor about.

  63. 82

    Puddybud spews:

    But David was it FEMA’s (Bush’s) fault? You missed the question premise.

    JCH: Did you read that Star Wars is really operational and they are using dem lazer beems (me up Scotty) to create artificial atmospheric conditions by creating empty air areas to modify the storm track to dem po peeples? Kind of reminds me of the empty air spaces between the ears occupying the carnial orifices of many donks on this board!!! Oh shit, I just let the cat out of the bag? Sorry Karl Rove!!!

  64. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    David, the numbers are from the US Guvmint. He didn’t massage them.

    I dug this back up. It’s from one of my favorite sites Fact Check.Org. I use this site to provide veracity to many things I spout. http://www.factcheck.org/article281.html

    Oh and Lucite, when your read it, (pull your head out of yer ass), you’ll see that you got your Pell Grant unfacts direct from dinkum (oops…) Kerry himself. Not true. Another Lucite transparent lie dispelled by de pudzter.

  65. 84

    JCH spews:

    80.David…I bet you were just outraged at John Kerry and Threeerrraaa Heinz paying taxes at only 12% MTR. Yes, I bet you just couldn’t vote Democrat in 2004 because the “rich” Kerry-Heinz were not paying their “fair share”. Comment, David?? [BTW, remember when Hillary deducted Bill’s underwear donations? Classic!! You stupid libs are a parasitic joke.] Atlas has Shrugged.

  66. 85

    JCH spews:

    Hey david……Remember when Al and Tipper Gore opened up their 1040 in 2000? They made over 500 grand, and his TOTAL charitable contribution was like 300 bucks? I’m sure you were so outraged you didn’t vote for this rich, greedy, hateful white elite couple not “paying their fair share”. You libs are really stupid or you’re Marxists. Which is it, David?

  67. 86

    JCH spews:

    Is there room to debate whether or not the federal taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for rebuilding New Orleans? Of course, and we’ll have those conversations. Why, for instance, should the taxpayers step forward to rebuild a home that was (a) located behind a levee and sitting below sea level, and (b) wasn’t adequately insured? Actually, though, there are going to be two debates. The first is over whether or not it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to foot the bill, and the second will be over whether or not taxes ought to be raised to cover the tab.

    Democrats have been trying for years to increase taxes on the evil and hated rich. Liberalism appeals to those who have not achieved. Liberalism is the philosophy of anti-individualism. Individual achievement and excellence must, then, be discouraged and punished. What better way to punish evil individuals who dare to rise above the masses than to simply seize the fruits of their labors? In the world of Democrats and liberalism accomplishment, achievement and individualism must be punished. This is why Democrats will work hard to make sure that taxes are increased to pay for Katrina recovery. Not taxes on everybody, mind you .. but taxes on the wicked rich.
    [Oh David, Are you still around, or do you have your head in the sand like an ostrich?]

  68. 87

    Puddybud spews:

    JCH: In 1997 Al Gore paid $353 in charitable contributions. So he had to be guilted when he saw the Katrina mess. I must make amends. Well Al I do applaud you. You did very well. I will withhold judgment on one rant.

    Now for the fun: I suppose this is George Bush’s fault too: http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....;cset=true

    “Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit
    Federal audits found dubious expenditures by the state’s emergency preparedness agency, which will administer FEMA hurricane aid.” – But no money went to LA for flood control – HA lefties. FEMA cut the grant monies. – Damn I hear voices in the woodwork. Oh… it’s just the lefties muttering to themselves.

  69. 88

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: Latest on the 9/11 Omission Report. Now there are five in the Pentagon who admit Able Danger DID exist. Gen Pete Schoomaker, the one Shaffer said told him to stand down may have to testify? Hmmm… This happened on Saturday my Sabbath and I was flying yesterday. Please start here: http://www.foxnews.com/printer.....06,00.html

    Then check http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/53533.htm.

    Then check strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/672

    And last check http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ and search on “Able Danger”

    Good Luck!!!

  70. 89

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: Why won’t Americans carry this? It’s on a Canadian web site.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/i.....icleId=965

    Press Conference of Rep Curt Weldon: 9/11 Commission and Operation “Able Danger” 9/11 Commission suppressed the evidence

    September 17, 2005
    US House of Representatives

    Yes don*****don, your favorite peeples, the 9/11 Omission have some big time explaining to perform. Hey, I just find the news to report here on this blog, since many lefties don’t want to know what is really happening beside their hatred of GWB.

  71. 90

    Puddybud spews:

    Part of Weldon’s talk GBS!!! Here is a HOLY SHIT moment.

    “The first week the story broke in the New York Times, I was in Pennsylvania that Friday doing district work and I got a call at my office. My chief of staff took the call, and it was from a person I’d never met in my entire life. I’d never mentioned her name. She was on vacation and asked my chief of staff for me to call her back.

    Her name was Jamie Gorelick.

    I said, “What does she want, Russ? I don’t know the woman.” I said, “I’m tied up. Would you please call her back and ask her what she wants?”

    WELDON: Russ called her back on her cell phone. She was on vacation. And her response to my chief of staff was, “Please tell Congressman Weldon I’ve done nothing wrong.”

    Am I correct, Russ?

    There are a lot of things here that leave a lot of unanswered questions.

    I don’t know why Al Feltzenberg (ph) got mad. I don’t even know the guy. I don’t know why Al Feltzenberg (ph) came out the first day the New York Times asked him and said they were never briefed. And the second day, he said they were briefed, but they never mentioned Mohammed Atta. On the third day, he said, “Well, we were briefed and they did mention Mohammed Atta, but only in passing and it was too late.”

    How many times can you change the story?

    There’s something deeper here that I don’t understand, but that the American people need to have the answer to. And the only reason I’m doing this today is because the 9/11 Commission came out with their presentation yesterday that to me is just outrageous.

    I listened to it. I read the transcript. And to read the statement of Slade Gorton, it just turned my stomach.

    First of all, let me say this to you: I’ll believe Commander Philpott (ph) 100 times before I’ll believe politician Slade Gorton.

    Scott Philpott (ph) jeopardized his entire naval career to state emphatically that he will swear on his career that they knew about not just Able Danger, but Mohammed Atta and ties to the Brooklyn cell in January and February of 2000. I believe Scott Philpott (ph).”

    No commentary. Just read the press conference.

  72. 91

    Puddybud spews:

    More stuff below: I remember some asseshorse lefty saying Larry DiRita said nothing was found. Well if it was purposely destroyed of course.

    “WELDON: This is not just about a chart. I’ve showed you 13 charts here. This is about 2.5 terabytes of information about Mohammed Atta and Al Qaida, the group that attacked us. It’s not about one chart, the chart that I gave to Hadley, with Dan Burton present with me in the White House.

    And for them to just try to brush this aside and hope it goes away — the same problem that you identified I was told by Fox News that the press guy over at the Pentagon actually went in the room and told Fox News and the New York Times, “When you going to let this story go?”

    This is the largest disaster in the history of the country. I mean, it would be like saying we don’t want to know the details of Pearl Harbor. Three thousand innocent people were killed; the Congress, Democrats and Republicans, want the answers; why are we not getting straight talk? Why is there a constant effort to spin?

    Why would you say, as Larry Di Rita said from the Pentagon after referring to Tony Shaffer and Scott Philpott’s (ph) recollections, “Well, you know, memories sometimes play games on people.”

    Well, how about now that they’ve acknowledged five people recalling seeing Mohammed Atta’s photograph and the linkage to the Brooklyn cell?

    And how about now the witness that’s going to testify that all this data was deliberately destroyed, in spite of the fact that the general was not aware his material was being destroyed?

    There are just too many unanswered questions.”

  73. 92

    Puddybud spews:

    I also remember some lefty asseshorse saying how can you believe a person with a cell phone problem and his security clearance being lifted. I know who said it like the comment above. Does COVERUP ring a bell here? Ding Ding Ding Ding!!

    WELDON: I’ve been told that the woman at the FBI has e-mails that will verify the meetings.

    I can tell you that Tony Shaffer will tell you his e-mails, all classified, on his system, were deleted. They were deleted during the time that he could not get access because they had temporarily lifted his security clearance.

    WELDON: And that in itself is absolutely outrageous.

    You’ve all seen the charges they’ve trumped up against him, which were that he transferred a cell phone that amounted to $60 while he was working over in Afghanistan undercover to his personal phone, and that he had gotten reimbursed for mileage to a training course at Fort Dix that they said he wasn’t entitled to even though it was a military training program which is $109.

    And for that, they temporarily lifted his security clearance, conveniently after he gets back and had told the 9/11 Commission staff all the documents were in his office at DIA headquarters, but he could not get back into DIA headquarters because they had temporarily lifted his clearance for these three stupid allegations. But all during this time the Army’s paying him $100,000 a year as a military officer — and, oh, by the way, during that time they promoted him to lieutenant colonel.”

  74. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    Which GBS, comes back to Sandy Burgler. What was he purloining at the Nat’l Archives?

    http://www.brookesnews.com/042607_berger.html

    You had to remember this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....Jul20.html

    Berger purloined all draft revisions of a key critique of the government’s response to the millennium terrorism threat, a document that detailed Administration knowledge – and inaction – regarding al Qaeda presence in the U.S. in 1999 and 2000. Stolen were crucial notes in the margins of these drafts which reveal the thinking and agendas of the Clinton Administration relating to the mounting terrorist threat.
    and
    A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government’s response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified “codeword,” the government’s highest level of document security.”

    You see GBS, this is the same time that Burgler steals these documents in Oct 2003, the same time Shaffer was meeting with members of the 9/11 Omission the first time. Shaffer comes back to the states, gets rebuffed by the Omission twice then is sent abroad again. Shaffer comes back in 2004 to find his security clearence lifted by some interesting charges and his documents end up missing. I asked at least a month before was there a connection betwixt Burgler and Shaffer and some asseshorses pooh-poohed me. Well this get smellier as now the MSM is finally looking at this and if they smell a Scoop, they be on it.

    Look, I just want all the truth out. If it falls on Clinton fine. If it falls on Bush fine. If it falls on both then we all need to know who did what and why!!!!

  75. 95

    David spews:

    Puddy @ 83: Yes, I know the numbers Rush posted are original and accurate. It’s just his selection and interpretation that were ‘artful’ and not entirely representative. My analysis at 81 used the same numbers to show realities that Rush didn’t bother addressing.

    JCH claimed that “The bottom 50% of income earners pay damn close to nothing.” And that’s just not true, as I pointed out. First, it’s based on the wrong number, the total taxes collected. If one person earned ten million dollars, and was taxed at 0.9% (less than 1 percent!), and another person earned ten thousand dollars, and was taxed at 100% (everything!), the wealthy person would have still paid 90% of all taxes collected. Do you understand, using this exaggerated example, why that’s essentially meaningless? It certainly doesn’t imply, as Rush wants to imply, that the wealthy person is overtaxed.

    Second, it ignores the effect of payroll taxes on working taxpayers, and the low capital gains rates on securities and properties traded by wealthy investors. The CBO, however, has published the “Total Effective Federal Tax Rate” under current law for each quintile of income earners (see Table 2, 2004 data): for the bottom 20% of income earners, it was 5.2%; for the second quintile, 11.1%; for the middle quintile, 14.6%; for the fourth quintile, 18.5%; and for the highest quintile, 23.8%. That’s progressive taxation in a nutshell, although it used to be more progressive, before Bush’s tax cuts (the top 1% of income earners paid a total effective federal tax rate of 26.7% in 2004, down from what would have been 33.4% under Clinton’s tax rates). [see your factcheck.org cite @ 83.] Note that in any case people are paying much less of their income to federal taxes than popular lore would have it.

    Third, it doesn’t acknowledge that rich individuals have access to tax shelters, low inheritance taxes, etc. that result in their paying even less per dollar of real income, while sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, rental car/hotel taxes and other fees have a big impact on small wage earners (and proportionally much less on the well-to-do). And that makes our System less progressive (I wish I had numbers to cite, but I think some of that might be hard to quantify).

    Rush’s numbers are right, but his conclusions are wrong.

  76. 96

    David spews:

    JCH @ 86 tries to equate Democrats with communists (ha!) and Republicans with self-made men a la Ayn Rand’s heroes:

    “Democrats have been trying for years to increase taxes on the evil and hated rich. Liberalism appeals to those who have not achieved. Liberalism is the philosophy of anti-individualism. Individual achievement and excellence must, then, be discouraged and punished. What better way to punish evil individuals who dare to rise above the masses than to simply seize the fruits of their labors?”

    Now this is just ideological nonsense. Bush cuts taxes on the wealthiest Americans, opening up a gaping hole in the budget, therefore you accuse Democrats (who want to roll back the cuts instead of borrowing more money) of being anti-individual achievement?? That is narishkeit, foolishness. Take a break from the Ayn Rand already and come back to the real world.

    There is no such thing as a wholly self-made man in this country. Every fabulously wealthy or successful person has been helped up by government subsidies (obvious and not-so-obvious, including social investments in education, research, technology, infrastructure, legal frameworks, etc.) or personal inheritance. (And with the Republicans’ efforts to eliminate inheritance taxes, we’re encouraging more of the latter). And there’s often a lot of luck involved; both the luck of being in the right place with the right product or idea at the right time, and the luck of being born to a family with the social station and connections that enable a budding entrepreneur to make good. America’s multimillionaires and billionaires agree that they didn’t make it on their own. The myth of the rugged individual succeeding on his own talent and genius (despite government, unions, etc.) is just that, a myth.

    Of course, there’s the possibility that God is involved somehow:

    During Horace Greeley’s time in Congress, a colleague boasted that he was a self-made man. “That, sir,” Greeley replied, “relieves the Almighty of a great responsibility.”

    Moses warned the people of Israel: “Beware… lest you eat and be sated, and build good houses and dwell therein, and your herds and your flocks multiply, and your silver and gold increase, and all that you have increases, and your heart grows haughty… and you will say to yourself: ‘It is my own power and the might of my hand that has accumulated this wealth for me'” (Deuteronomy 8:11-17).

    But the old tale still rings true:

    A young man asked an old rich man how he made his money. The old guy fingered his worsted wool vest and said, “Well, son, it was 1932. The depth of the Great Depression. I was down to my last nickel. I invested that nickel in an apple. I spent the entire day polishing the apple and, at the end of the day, I sold the apple for ten cents. The next morning, I invested those ten cents in two apples. I spent the entire day polishing them and sold them at 5:00 pm for 20 cents. I continued this system for a month, by the end of which I’d accumulated a fortune of $1.37.

    Then my wife’s father died and left us two million dollars.”

    Individual work and achievement is a great thing, but success is no excuse for overweening pride, greed and lack of compassion for those not so lucky or privileged.

  77. 97

    JCH spews:

    David……..Hell, You are a communist. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in North Korea or Fidel’s Cuba. Both “Hillary Villages” seem to reflect your thinking. Lots of “redistribution of other’s wealth”. Right up your alley!

  78. 98

    JCH spews:

    David: No comment on Al Gore’s charitable contributions or Heinz Kerry’s 12% MTR? [hehe]…….I guess “all animals are equal, but Democrat elites are just a little more equal than others.”

  79. 99

    Puddybud spews:

    Today is a sad day. A man I truly admired has died, Simon Wiesenthal. If half of the lefties acted as he did, the donks would still be in power.

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.....wiesenthal

    “Wiesenthal spent more than 50 years hunting Nazi war criminals, speaking out against neo-Nazism (insert neo-Liberal Progressivism) and racism (insert Lucite), and remembering the Jewish experience as a lesson for humanity (insert AMEN). Through his work, he said, some 1,100 Nazi war criminals (donks) were brought to justice.”

    You see, when you call us righties neo-cons, and we’re pro-Jewish, pro-Israel. So, iff we are pro-Israel/Jewish and you use neo-con as a racial epithet, then what are you lefties? Con(against)-Israel? Con-Jewish? Racial hate is defined by the words you use. Hence, I called out donk****don on another thread by the hatred he spews each and every time I am called a neo-con. Since I look at the history of Israel from Biblical perspectives, I guess I be a neo-con.

    So David, I was called a racist when I called you a Star of David. I am a neo-con racist because I support the Jewish state per Lucite and other flaming asshole lefties. Hmmm… thems be apples and oranges to me!!! So what does that make you if you are against me in my beliefs? I’m public in my beliefs. So are you going to ADMIT we share some common goals and ideals?

  80. 100

    Puddybud spews:

    Iff is a mathematical term for “if and only if”.

    David@above: When you state effective tax rates, what are you discussing? Every tax we pay, if it’s a consumption tax or an income tax is a tax. That’s why Steve Forbes (I’m sure you support his taxation theory) wanted a 17% flat tax with no loopholes or deductions. It’s the lower middle class who is crying foul to this and I can’t figure out why. Using your analogy above, the $1MM earner pays 170,000, while the $10,000 earner pays nothing because his income is below the minimum threshold as I remember. So what does that say to our taxation system? It needs overhauling. Who cries foul on this flat tax? The Kennedy’s, The Schumers, The Kerry’s, The Jesse HiJacksons. But dems be da millionaire donks we say. Yes that’s right and they would lose their loopholes. Kennedy would lose his to the floating car research and booze industry. Kerry to the Heinz ketchup corporation. Schumer to the ACLU, Lawyers Guild and other groups. HiJackson for his use of vitriol to many corporations. The only taxes paid by the $10K wage earner is consumption taxes.

    I thought Jesse would be for it because he is still paying child support. I wonder is that from him or Operation Push (didn’t he practice that for a few minutes inside of Karen Stanford. Lucite, why don’t you discuss the daliances of Jesse Jackson. Oh… that’s right; you only see red if they are a Republican.

  81. 101

    NoWonder spews:

    David @ 96

    ‘Bush cuts taxes on the wealthiest Americans, opening up a gaping hole in the budget…’

    If you keep saying it, it becomes true? Why then, are tax receipts up significantly, especially the capital gains and corporate taxes? Before answering please remember the dems mantra in 2004 – the economy is worse than any back to FDR.

    The hole in the budget is due to spending, not low tax receipts.

  82. 102

    Puddybud spews:

    Goldy: PacMan visiting Sound Politics. He may be in read mode here. Hmmm… Are you going to be a man Goldy and fix the problem? He calls this site animal body parts. Nice touch PacMan.

  83. 104

    David spews:

    JCH @ 84, 85, 98: I’ve read Animal Farm too, Napoleon. And (imagine!) I voted for Gore and I voted for Kerry because even though they are examples of how the System favors the wealthy and well-connected, they were going to change things a bit. (unlike GWB, who has been raining favors down on the wealthy and well-connected, with money borrowed from future middle-class taxpayers. Sigh.)

  84. 106

    David spews:

    Pud @ 99: “iff we are pro-Israel/Jewish and you use neo-con as a racial epithet, then what are you lefties?

    1. neocon is not a racial epithet, it’s a political descriptor.
    2. iff (if & only if) makes no sense in that sentence. iff means A -> B and B -> A.
    3. liberals and progressives and other non-neocons are also pro-Israel and Jewish (yes, we agree on that), so your logic experiment falls apart. Sorry.

    I am a neo-con racist
    if you say so. :)

  85. 108

    David spews:

    Puddybud @ 100, re: effective tax rates: “what does that say to our taxation system? It needs overhauling.

    I’m not sure that follows. I’m not familiar with the details of Steve Forbes’ flat tax plan, but what recommends his non-progressive approach other than the claim that he would eliminate all loopholes and deductions? Why not just keep what we’ve got, and eliminate all loopholes and deductions?

    Not that you’ll get anywhere suggesting the elimination of, e.g., mortgage interest deductions and charitable giving deductions . . . tax policy is more than just how to collect revenue.

  86. 109

    JCH spews:

    104.David…….Bush made his [and his wife’s] tax return public. Lots of taxes and lots of contributions. Compare that to Gore’s and Kerry/Heinz. “Oh, Kerry is going to change things a bit”. David, you are a sincere Democrat dumb ass.

  87. 110

    JCH spews:

    108.Right..tax policy is how Democrat retain power by “redistributing the wealth”. David, you really must have a “guvment” job.

  88. 111

    David spews:

    NoWonder @ 101: It’s right whether or not I say it. You are wrong. Relative to GDP, spending is not unusually high but tax revenues are unusually low: last year, federal revenues were at their lowest level as a share of GDP since 1959. The Bush tax cuts are a major factor in our budget deficit (i.e., growing debt).

    See Center for Budget and Policy Priorities (analyzing OMB figures):
    http://www.cbpp.org/7-23-03bud.htm
    July 2003 report on tax cuts and deficit

    http://www.cbpp.org/8-16-05bud.htm
    August 2005 report on budget and economic outlook (note section halfway down, “Deficits Will Remain Large If the 2001 and 2003 Tax Cuts Are Extended”):

    Based on the official cost estimates by the Joint Committee on Taxation, and accounting for the increased interest payments caused by borrowing to finance the tax cuts, the cost of the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 is equal to about 2 percent of GDP this year, while this year’s deficit equals 2.7 percent of GDP.

    2 / 2.7 = 74% of the budget deficit.

    Incidentally, the reason for higher corporate taxes last year was the expiration of the depreciation bonus tax cut in 2004, as firms hurried to get in under the wire (a one-time event), along with high corporate profits (the one part of the economy that’s been booming, to the exclusion of most of the population).

    The budget gap is primarily lack-of-revenue driven, not uncontrolled-spending driven.

  89. 112

    David spews:

    Here’s an interesting economic analysis:

    Advocates of Supply-Side economics have apparently never realized that when they recommend across-the-board income tax cuts and matching reductions in government spending, they are proposing a policy that—all else equal—is guaranteed to either cause a recession or make any ongoing recession worse. Across-the-board income tax cuts are contractionary (assuming matching spending cuts) because wealthier recipients of income tax cuts will save some of the extra disposable income they are given. Since not all money that is saved is lent out to borrowers, there is a net leakage of money out of the economy whenever money is saved.

    . . . .

    The only reason why the Bush Tax Cuts did not plunge the economy into an even deeper recession is because the federal government increased its spending after Nine-Eleven using borrowed money to finance it instead of tax revenue. Unfortunately, the stimulative effect of this increased spending was largely offset by the contractionary effect of the tax cuts. Giving the largest share of a tax cut to rich people who are most likely to save a great deal of it is not a very intelligent thing to do when the economy is struggling to pull out of a recession. The result has been a sputtering and long overdue ‘recovery’ that has created far fewer jobs than almost any economic recovery in American economic history in spite of the added benefit of historically low interest rates.

    Neat stuff here: http://www.taxwisdom.org/

  90. 114

    JCH spews:

    The budget gap is primarily lack-of-revenue driven, not uncontrolled-spending driven.

    Comment by David— 9/20/05 @ 10:47 am
    [David, NEVER enough of other people’s money for you libs!! Until you “redistribute” EVERY penny you “progressives” [read communists] will never be satisfied. Atlas has Shrugged, and those who pay the taxes will quit first. What will you do then?

  91. 115

    Puddybud spews:

    David. By donk definition a neo-con is a Pro-Israel person. If that is so, how can a Liberal (not neo-con) be pro-Israel? You can’t be. It is the premier premise by moonbat lefties. By definition I like Israel.

    Iff definition per David iff means A -> B and B -> A.
    Puddybud’s translation of donk definition: A=Neo-con -> B=Likes Israel and B=Likes Israel -> A=neo-con. That’s not my definition, that’s what you animal hind parts call us Republicans. All I am doing is using your side logic to prove my point, which, David you most eloquently did. If I am a neo-con because I am pro-Israel, then by the donk definition I must be a racist (Lucite’s and donk****don’s definition).

    David, On Simon Wiesenthal, “You” are welcome. Some in my family revered him. How did I know you would respond? Hunch! When he helped get Eichmann I was a little tyke, but I heard and knew.

  92. 116

    Puddybud spews:

    David: How can you say the economy wasn’t growing? What mooron.moonbat indicators you use?

  93. 121

    Puddybud spews:

    David: Dan B. said on the 16th: And what are you talking about, anyway… Repugs are all about spending.. On supporting Israel.. About the military-industrial complex, insuring cheap junk for the peons… About corporate welfare in general… They’re pigs, and should be sent to Hormel…

    Lucite has made similar statements too.

  94. 122

    Puddybud spews:

    Still waiting David. Do you need more “Repubs like Israel” disses by de donks? Search engines perform a wonderful service when replaying written donk diatribes. Ya see many of the animal rear part lefty neo-liberal moonbat moby troll donks do hate Israel. IFF is correct, using donk definitions! Why are you on their side David? Come on over to the right side David. We’ll welcome you with open arms. All will be forgiven!!! We’ll break bread with you David! Even visit that liberal haven called Starbucks (although I like Seattle’s Best or Tullys).

  95. 124

    Puddybud spews:

    Here is an aaawwww moment: http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....3MMOA.html And in liberal NYC nonetheless.

    Looks like the Fossil of Fake Documents is still alive and kicking: http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....11365.html

    Well if they all printed “the real news fit to print”: http://www.editorandpublisher......7272937735 – I guess liberal lefty newspapers are falling on “hard” times. Guess GWB bashing only carries you so long. Can you say “Howdy Doody”?

    http://www.washtimes.com/natio.....-4210r.htm – Da mayur calling the Admiral names

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho.....guest.html – Get rid of all the pork!!!

  96. 126

    Puddybud spews:

    This is how Maryland donks treat minorities in the Republican Party. At least when we complain about Ron Tax to the Max Sims, we complain about his failed leadership, failed policies, failed computer systems, failed CAO, failed etc.!!!

    news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050921/ap_on_el_se/maryland_senate

  97. 127

    Puddybud spews:

    More from above: “Audra Miller, spokeswoman for the Maryland Republican Party, said she had not heard of the credit report incident until contacted by The Associated Press.

    “I will say I am shocked at how low the Democratic Party will go in their politics to ensure a win. I think it is deplorable those kinds of dirty tricks,” she said.” – Audra, don’t be shocked. It’s donk SOP!!! Yes, you donks are so clean as the driven snow!!!! Face it, the lefties can’t stand having a black man in a high political position not having donk credentials. So much for loving the minorities, eh Lucite? These actions are an anethema to everything you donks have been puking in the MSM and on TV for the past 45 years.

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    Puddybud spews:

    Filter issues so getting around it.
    “Audra Miller, spokeswoman for the Maryland Republican Party, said she had not heard of the credit report incident until contacted by The Associated Press.

    “I will say I am shocked at how low the Democratic Party will go in their politics to ensure a win. I think it is d e p l o r a b l e those kinds of dirty tricks,” she said.”

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    Puddybud spews:

    “Audra Miller, spokeswoman for the Maryland Republican Party, said she had not heard of the credit report incident until contacted by The Associated Press.

    “I will say I am shocked at how low the Democratic Party will go in their politics to ensure a win. I think it is d e p l o r a b l e those kinds of d-i-r-t-y – t-r-i-c-k-s,” she said.”

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    Puddybud spews:

    I will wait until Goldy posts the rest:

    “Audra Miller, spokeswoman for the Maryland Republican Party, said she had not heard of the credit report incident until contacted by The Associated Press.

    “I will say I am shocked at how low the Democratic Party will go in their politics to ensure a win. I think it is deplorable those kinds of dirty tricks,” she said.” – Audra, don’t be shocked. It’s donk SOP!!! Yes, you donks are so clean as the driven snow!!!! Face it, the lefties can’t stand having a black man in a high political position not having donk credentials. So much for loving the minorities, eh Lucite? These actions are an anethema to everything you donks have been puking in the MSM and on TV for the past 45 years.

    Sure is amazing that this doesn’t display on the http://www.dscc.org web site? Yet, wasn’t it animal hind parts lefty who ran with the David Safavian link right from the donk pie hole? Typical donk style!!!

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    GBS More Able Danger stuff. Now we know the names of the guy ordered by Schoomaker to destroy the data while another General was pissed that it happened. Now we know the lady PhD who helped create the system identifying Atta.

    Erik Kleinsmith former Army Major and Chief of Intelligence of the Land Infomration Warfare Analysis LIWA Project Manager for Intelligence Analytical Training Lockheed Martin Newington, VA – was told to destroy the evidence.

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/.....chives/687 more information

    Dr. Eileen Pricer is the lady. From:

    http://www.armscontrolcenter.o.....attack.htm

    Mr. Shays. In a briefing we had yesterday, we had Eileen
    Pricer, who argues that we don’t have the data we need because
    we don’t take all the public data that is available and mix it
    with the security data. And just taking public data, using, you
    know, computer systems that are high-speed and able to digest,
    you know, literally floors’ worth of material, she can take
    relationships that are seven times removed, seven units
    removed, and when she does that, she ends up with relationships
    to the bin Laden group where she sees the purchase of
    chemicals, the sending of students to universities. You
    wouldn’t see it if you isolated it there, but if that unit is
    connected to that unit, which is connected to that unit, which
    is connected to that unit, you then see the relationship. So we
    don’t know ultimately the authenticity of how she does it, but
    when she does it, she comes up with the kind of answer that you
    have just asked, which is a little unsettling.”

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    Puddybud @ all Able Danger:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . . .
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . . .
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . . .

    Conspiracies up the ying yang. I’ll wait for Rumsfeld to confirm the Able Danger story that they positively ID’d Atta with actionable intel but opted not to act. It would only benefit the Bush admin to do so. If they can’t, or won’t confirm the story, then they didn’t ID Atta with actionable intel.

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    GBS spews:

    Puddybud,

    More importantly, got Osama?

    Didn’t think so.

    Bush’s approval rating on Iraq, the economy, trustworthyness, War on Terror, Katrina et al: is so low that Repubs up for reelection will be avoiding their support for this CiC.

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    Puddybud:

    Do you think Bush is capable of making “crisp decisions” while he’s boozin’ it up again?

    Me either.