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  1. 1

    Serial conservative spews:

    More Americans than forecast filed applications for unemployment benefits last week, a sign that progress in the labor market is faltering amid a slowing economy.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....-high.html

    It strikes me that the August unemployment data will be released next Friday.

    That will work nicely into the GOP counterarguments about the DNC convention speech claims, I think.

  2. 2

    Serial conservative spews:

    This was uploaded to Youtube on April 21, 2009

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    The Janesville GM plant was running in 2009, and was closed in May of that year.

    Here’s a little memory check for you HAers. Obama gave a speech at the Janesville plant in February, 2008.

    But through hard times and good, great challenge and great change, the promise of Janesville has been the promise of America – that our prosperity can and must be the tide that lifts every boat; that we rise or fall as one nation; that our economy is strongest when our middle-class grows and opportunity is spread as widely as possible. And when it’s not – when opportunity is uneven or unequal – it is our responsibility to restore balance, and fairness, and keep that promise alive for the next generation. That is the responsibility we face right now, and that is the responsibility I intend to meet as President of the United States.

    http://www.cfr.org/us-election.....sin/p15492

    I bet we don’t hear much more about the ‘Ryan Lie’ about Janesville.

    Oh, except on HA, of course.

  3. 3

    Serial conservative spews:

    “It’s one of the states where he’s fallen the furthest.”

    http://www.publicpolicypolling....._82912.pdf

    Romney’s up 5 since June, while Obama’s up 2. Meanwhile, Obama’s approval there is lower than in June.

    Oh, and Obama lost 20% of his past supporters to Romney.

    That’s 20%.

    Which state? You might have to click the link.

  4. 4

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ Serial Liar

    The plant was slated to be closed by the corporation by June of 2008. The massive increases in gasoline prices during the first part of 2007 killed it, it was a plant that built luxury SUV gas pig trucks for the soccer moms, so the market for those was already taking a dump by the end of 2007 and the Corporation saw the trend. The plant shut down in November of 2008, laying of more than 1200 people, but was kept open on a skeleton crew for several more months to complete an assembly contract for Isuzu.

    The Corporation made the decision to close the plant at the end of the fiscal year, nearly 6 months before it actually closed.

    So yes, Ryan is a liar. But you don’t care. It’s a big part of why you’re going to vote for him.

  5. 5

    Serial conservative spews:

    @ 4

    You miss the point.

    Yes, it was slated to be closed. And Obama had four months, more or less, to keep it from happening.

    That was Ryan’s point. I guess with the black helicopter circling your house all day, every day, it’s a little distracting and you sometimes miss things.

  6. 6

    Red spews:

    Interesting that even a CBS flunkee recognizes what a smackdown Paul Ryan delivered to President Obama last night.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....-policies/

    Obama tries to laugh it off. Good luck when $600 Million goes to drumbeat that message to the American people when the Election is now a toss-up and there are enough Undecideds to sway it to Romney/Ryan.

  7. 7

    Red spews:

    @5-You are absolutely right about the facts and timetable on that plant closure. President Obama was too busy celebrating his victory and swinging around in his new chair & playing golf to recognize he would be held accountable from Day 1. Using the excuse he only had 4 months won’t sell to those impacted by this.

  8. 8

    Michael spews:

    Child was bullied by students, teacher, say Kopachuck parents
    The video footage is six months old, captured from multiple angles by teens with mobile phones in a Kopachuck Middle School classroom. In the images, more than a dozen students drag a smaller boy around the room, holding him like a hammock, peeling off his socks, writing on his feet, stuffing a sock in his mouth, holding a pillow over his face and covering him with chairs.

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/.....rylink=cpy

    I saw this yesterday and I’m still too pissed off for words about it.

  9. 9

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 5

    Why would it be up to the Government to maintain operations at a corporate-owned assembly plant that built an obsolete, unsaleable product? It wasn’t part of the March/2009 stimulus for the simple reason that it had no product to sell and had already been closed by the company. By the middle of 2008, several thousands of brand new SUVs and other low-mileage vehicles were being stored in Arizona and New Mexico, as there was no market for them in the light of $4.00+/gallon gasoline.

    See, now what you’re doing is rationalizing. When one tries to rationalize an open lie, one gets shit on ones face.

  10. 10

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    GOP boss says Rob McKenna will do what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin
    When speaking before a group of Republicans, without knowing he was being recorded, McKenna said public employee unions are “dangerous.”
    http://www.thestand.org/2012/0.....-concerns/

    How can we have a dialogue and find a compromise that is good for the state of Washington with conservatives with they demonize what we value? And people wonder why we are getting so hard line partisan, cause the republicans are forcing us to be.

  11. 12

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    It was a truly breathtaking display of brazen dishonesty. Paul Ryan looked America in the eye and without a hint a shame, lied to our face.

    Ryan lied about President Obama’s auto-industry rescue, blaming the administration for a plant closing orchestrated by President Bush. Ryan lied about Medicare, falsely accusing Obama of undermining the system. Ryan lied about the debt downgrade, falsely blaming the president for a downgrade caused by Ryan and congressional Republicans.

    Ryan lied about the Simpson-Bowles commission, falsely accusing Obama of walking away from debt reduction, and ignoring the fact that Ryan himself fought to ensure the Simpson-Bowles commission never even released a report. Ryan lied about his plans for the safety net, saying he intends to “protect the weak” when he budget plan intends to gut public investments that benefit the poor.

    And this part slammed SerCon without knowing it.

    Dan Amira called the speech “appallingly disingenuous and shamelessly hypocritical,” but added this gem:

    Most of the millions of people who watched the speech on television tonight do not read fact-checks or obsessively consume news 15 hours a day, and will never know how much Ryan’s case against Obama relied on lies and deception. Ryan’s pants are on fire, but all America saw was a barn-burner.

    Or is it worse that our trolls, who when show the truth, choose to vote against their self interests anyway?

  12. 13

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    As for as the 4 months winow…Not sure how Obama could have prevented that plant closure, but in Romney’s world, you can “retroactively” do anything and change history. But wasn’t romney in favor of managed bankruptcy? That would have closed the plant anyway.

  13. 14

    Red spews:

    Speculation is that Clint Eastwood will speak tonight at the Convention. That would be terrific. Clint kept Carmel afloat when he found that all the deadbeat Art Galleries were avoiding taxes by mailing purchases to out-of-state addresses. The deadbeat Progressives weren’t collecting or paying their fair share. He was highly respected by all and many were Democrats.
    Clint Eastwood would be a great choice.
    Can’t wait to hear Mitt Romney’s speech.
    President Obama is in huge trouble. He broke the Democrat bank way too early. Now he will pay.

  14. 15

    Red spews:

    The Democrats repeatedly blamed President Bush for issues caused by a lack of Democrat oversight,,like the mortgage disaster when it was Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who were charged with oversight by the Senate and House the Democrats controlled.
    Life ain’t fair is it?
    I mean, when your guy is dishing out the unfairness, that’s ok. But what goes around, comes around.
    Payback is a bitch.

  15. 17

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Ryan was flat out lying and you know it. Regardless of how many faux news talking points you regurgitate.

  16. 19

    spews:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....e-he-won-t

    Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:30 AM PDT

    No one thinks Romney will win, because he won’t

    by kos for Daily Kos

    Winning.

    Yesterday, Chuck Todd on MSNBC talked about how Republicans wanted to refocus on Wisconsin as they see Ohio slip away.

    They. See. Ohio. Slipping. Away. I’m not sure how Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes makes up for Ohio’s 18, or Pennsylvania’s 20. Even if Republicans surrender both those states, winning Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia—states Obama won in 2008—that wouldn’t be enough for Mitt Romney to get to 270.

    Fact is, Republicans are losing. Just watch their convention and note the utter lack of energy. Nothing. We all hated Sarah Palin, sure, but she lit that convention hall on fire. George W. Bush knew how to amp it up. Zell Miller had the place rocking. On Tuesday night, Chris Christie had to order people to stand up.

    It’s only going to get worse for Gekko/Galt.

    The movement morons like the serial liar, puddypussypissypants and the Montana goat fucker will vote for the billionaires boy’s club, but the rest of America will vote for President Obama.

  17. 20

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Actually, Clint Eastwood ran for Mayor of Carmel promising to keep large chain stores and restaurants out of the town. He kept that promise.

    While he was Mayor, he kept local businesses in business, while keeping the chains out, and blocking the building of a huge Mall on the outskirts of town that would have killed the central business district.

  18. 21

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 5

    Why would it be up to the Government to maintain operations at a corporate-owned assembly plant that built an obsolete, unsaleable product?

    Good question. Why would it be up to the government to save that corporation from a normal bankruptcy, now that we’re talking about obligations? After all, if GM had gone through a normal bankruptcy, the unprofitable, obsolete stuff would have been stripped out, a leaner corporation unburdened by severe debt load would have emerged, and the taxpayer wouldn’t have been stuck with the bill.

    You don’t get it both ways. You don’t get to cheer-lead Obama for ‘saving GM’ if you don’t acknowledge that the government could have stepped in and kept everything from closing, and elected not to do so.

  19. 22

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Even Fox News criticized Ryan. (Course it was a token democratic writer (See, we have liberal freinds!), but still)
    Get the link quick before they pull it
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....ree-words/

    Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

    Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

    Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn’t what the president said. Period.

    Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

    Wow. Now that you have facts and truth, when will you change your mind on Ryan?

  20. 25

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 21

    So you have no problem throwing 5 or 6 million people out of work to prove how your economic principles should work?

    The Plant was closed before Obama took office, that is NOT in question.

    Lyin Ryan’s letter to GM on this very subject. (PDF) Dated June 3rd, 2008.

    You sir, like your slobberdick messiah Ryan, are a liar.

  21. 26

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 13

    Not sure how Obama could have prevented that plant closure, but in Romney’s world, you can “retroactively” do anything and change history. But wasn’t romney in favor of managed bankruptcy? That would have closed the plant anyway.

    Agreed that the plant likely would not have survived. So make that argument. Go ahead. What that argument acknowledges, though, is that a decision was made not to step in (they could have stepped in – here’s $10M as additional float capital, to be used to keep plants A, B, and C running) because there was an understanding that a lot of plants would have to be shuttered.

    It’s an acknowledgement that Obama could have, and chose not to. It’s the point Ryan made.

    Having a reason for making that choice does not make Ryan’s point a lie.

  22. 27

    spews:

    20. Deathfrogg spews:

    Actually, Clint Eastwood ran for Mayor of Carmel promising to keep large chain stores and restaurants out of the town. He kept that promise.

    While he was Mayor, he kept local businesses in business, while keeping the chains out, and blocking the building of a huge Mall on the outskirts of town that would have killed the central business district.

    08/30/2012 at 9:21 am

    Mr. Cyniklown, the Montana goat fucker, is too busy with his favorite fetish to know what he’s talking about.

  23. 30

    spews:

    And Obama had four months, more or less, to keep it from happening.

    Retool a dinosaur gas guzzling truck assembly plant into gas sipping crossover vehicle line?

    Wise use of taxpayer dollars I’m sure.

    Next thing we’d hear is Ryan “saved jobs” in his district.. Much better I guess than lies he told about the applications he made for stimulus money..

    Paul Ryan is a bald faced liar and his lies are exposed every day.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=paul+ryan+lied

  24. 31

    Deathfrogg spews:

    NY Times article dated Oct. 26th, 2008 (before the election) on the closing of the Janesville SUV plant.

    Face it, fascists, your Randhroidal messiah is a pathological liar, and a sociopath. You’re hooking up your cart to a psychopathic mule.

    But, thats par for the course for Fascists.

  25. 33

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    So now that we have told you the truth, when are you going to change your mind and stop supporting ryan?

  26. 35

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 34

    To keep producing products that don’t sell?

    Like, er, the Chevy Volt?

    Strip out the sales to California government entities, to GE, you have a total bomb.

    We give billions to GM and billions in subsidies for the Volt, which sells so few vehicles that they’re closing the Volt plant for the second time this year.

    GM is perpetuating the same unsustainable model post-bankruptcy that they did before the bankruptcy.

    You missed my point @ 26, which was that since we were handing billions in float money to GM and to Chrysler, we could have saved a few extra plants by putting restrictions on some of that money – like saying that some of the plants scheduled for closure would be kept open in exchange for the monetary transfer.

    The right business thing to do would have been to permit a normal bankruptcy to occur. That would have saved the US taxpayer perhaps as much as $30billion or more when all of this is said and done. As long as we’re going to hand out $50+ billion in assistance, what’s $10M or so more?

    The point about Ryan and the Janesville plant is that you have no point, and you won’t see organizations outside MSNBC trying to call him a liar for bringing it up. Not after the news items and video now available that show the plant functioning into May 2009.

    Time to go back to the magic underwear, Seamus, Ayn Rand, and the tax returns.

  27. 38

    Gman spews:

    Family Values – yeah right, bunch of hypocrites. And the fake legacy lingers on because of boobs like Bob that can’t stand up to them on their short comings. In stead of frequenting tity bars you would think they would try to shut them down like shutting down the freedom to marry who you wish. They not only have no family values, them Nazis are also against freedom and liberty for all. And heck they’ll ruin the economy at the same time.

  28. 39

    spews:

    Here “bob” I’ll make it easy for you.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....l-20120829

    Greed and Debt: The True
    Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital

    How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs – and stuck others with the bill

    By Matt Taibbi
    August 29, 2012 7:00 AM ET

    Mitt Romney illustrationIllustration by Robert GrossmanThe great criticism of Mitt Romney, from both sides of the aisle, has always been that he doesn’t stand for anything. He’s a flip-flopper, they say, a lightweight, a cardboard opportunist who’ll say anything to get elected.

    The critics couldn’t be more wrong. Mitt Romney is no tissue-paper man. He’s closer to being a revolutionary, a backward-world version of Che or Trotsky, with tweezed nostrils instead of a beard, a half-Windsor instead of a leather jerkin. His legendary flip-flops aren’t the lies of a bumbling opportunist – they’re the confident prevarications of a man untroubled by misleading the nonbeliever in pursuit of a single, all-consuming goal. Romney has a vision, and he’s trying for something big: We’ve just been too slow to sort out what it is, just as we’ve been slow to grasp the roots of the radical economic changes that have swept the country in the last generation.

    Here’s an important follow up.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibbl
    og/on-mitt-romney-bain-capital-and-private-equity-20120829

    Personal note:

    I have been an independent businessman ALL my working life, like my father before me. I have sold goods and services to businesses and individuals. I have bought and sold companies. I have worked for others. I have had others working for me.

    I have been in or around the financial services industry (highly regulated with strict government accoutability) for the last thirty years and I have seen an apalling amount of corporate greed and entitlement.

    I have seen an entire industry…one that employed literally millions of people destroyed by the machinations of a relative few…and no one went to jail.

    I have seen millions lose their pensions, their retirement investments, their homes and/or the equity in their homes and no one went to jail.

    I watched a beloved 120 year old Seattle financial institution destroyed by personal greed in five years.

    No one went to jail.

    You’re a liar “bob” or whoever you are. You’re a liar, a thief if you support these crooks, a racist if you support these racists, a misogynist if you support thses woman haters and a cruel and inhuman individual if you advocate implementing this hideous budget.

    Just so those with enormous amounts of money can have more? Bush’s BASE?…the Haves and the Have More’s??? At the expense of…STOLEN FROM…average working Americans?

    You are disgusting.

    You and your “fellow travellers”: Mr. Cynical or “Red” or “ev” or whatever the coward like him calls himself today…and the supposedly uber-religious and super-pious puddybuddy…

    President Obama is far from perfect. The President and Democrats in Congress were/are complicit in some of these detestable activities. He and they must be held to account…after his/their re-election.

    But these thugs and theives and liars and haters…these miserable characters in Tampa YOU support and cover for and excuse must not be allowed nearer the reigns of power than they already are.

  29. 40

    spews:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....-nbsp-lies

    Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM PDT

    The biggest of all Paul Ryan’s big lies

    by Joan McCarter

    How can you tell Paul Ryan is lying? The open mouth.

    Paul Ryan speech last night was a veritable lollapalooza of lies, mostly about what President Obama has done and what his own policies and proposals will do.
    But there’s one lie that he’s been using since he got the veep nod from Mitt Romney that is different. It’s different because it’s about an action that had the potential to do real damage to the U.S. and because Ryan is personally responsible for it. That’s the Standard & Poors downgrading of the nation’s credit rating as a result of the House Republicans’ taking the debt ceiling hostage.

    Last night, Ryan said that the Obama presidency “began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America.”

    And here are the facts, from the actual statement from S&P at the time:

    Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade.

    A liar and a hypocrite Bob, just like you.

  30. 41

    greg spews:

    Here is the insanity of the Republican Healthcare Plan. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would give an 80-year-old with heart disease and high blood pressure a coupon, and tell him to go find his own private insurance. I’m sure for-profit insurance corporations are just going to line up to insure that guy.

  31. 43

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 36

    Gas guzzling full-sized SUV’s are dinosaurs and people aren’t interested in buying them.

    They are less interested, true, but a lot of them still sell well.

    Know what else sells well? The Prius.

    Word is Toyota will spin off Prius and we’ll be seeing Prius showrooms in a year or so.

    Know what’s not selling? The Volt.

    Strip out all the sales that require unsustainable incentives and it’s a complete dud.

    No incentives on the Prius. None. I own one. Amazing technology. No guts but still so much fun to drive if you spend way too much time looking at the screen. Mid $20s.

    The Volt? It’s a brick. A taxpayer-subsidized brick.

  32. 46

    Michael spews:

    Looks like we’ll continue to hear about the Janesville GM plant.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....9386.story
    Multiple news outlets were particularly dismissive of Ryan’s attempt to hold Obama accountable for the closure of the Janesville auto plant — which he had hoped during the last campaign would remain open for another 100 years. Politifact.org was among the many to rate Ryan’s barb “false,” since the plant closed a month before the Democrat took office.

  33. 47

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Just in time for the DNC convention. Oh, and Elizabeth Edwards!


    (CNSNews.com) – The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – the “supreme leader” of Iran – praised America’s “Occupy Wall Street” movement on Thursday, calling it a reflection of people around the world who are “losing their patience” with the dominance of the United States and Israel in the international community.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/articl.....y-movement

    That’s right, HAers. Iran’s Ayatollah, Nancy Pelosi, and Elizabeth Edwards are on the same page.

    Aren’t you glad that Occupy will be a force in Charlotte next week?

  34. 49

    spews:

    No incentives on the Prius. None. I own one.

    Oh why Bob? Are you an eco-freak? Do you know the main motivation of the Prius was not so much to save gas – it was to limit emissions of CO2 which are mostly produced when a vehicle accelerates to cruising speed. Prius uses the battery for this. Kyoto protocol in a nutshell.

    Why didn’t you buy an Janesville, WI gas guzzler Bob? There’s plenty of oil Bob according to the right wing. Look at all the bitumen just north of us in Alberta..

    Why did you give your money to Japan Bob? Where’s your patriotism?

    Did you use the cash for clunkers? Just the other day you were claiming it was an Obama plot to enrich Toyota and Honda.

    Nice going Bob.

    Did you know the Volt was a pet project of a right wing GM CEO who believes global warming, like you, is an Al Gore promoted “hoax”?

    But no, you say you don’t watch Faux News but you sure read those unhinged right wing twirp sites and I see one link to foxnews.com that you’ve left here. Like it or not you’re towing the Roger Ailes line.. Good job Bob.

  35. 50

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 48

    Bought the Prius used. Gave the money to a German immigrant named Uwe.

    Wife and I have 5 vehicles, two with special purposes, two for daily driving, one extra. None purchased new, all purchased locally. If it makes you happy one is a gas-guzzler and I use it to repopulate 20 acres with conifers. I drive it around 70 miles per month.

    If the Volt was a bad idea, do the political leanings of its early supporter matter? Bad is bad. Kill it. License Prius technology instead.

  36. 51

    spews:

    I use it to repopulate 20 acres with conifers

    What is this? A Christmas tree farm?

    Careful Bob. The other right wingers here will turn you out. Did you know PuddyIdiot called Hank Paulson a “lefty” because he’s a raptor freak and donates money to wildlife conservation?

    You’re getting soft Bob. Very surprising for someone who links to unhinged right wing propaganda websites.

  37. 55

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    The internet is on fire, documenting the width and breadth of Ryan’s lies

    As Time’s Michael Grunwald, who has just published a new book about the stimulus, points out, “Experts had warned that 5 percent of the stimulus could be lost to fraud, but investigators have documented less than $10 million in losses — about 0.001 percent.” Solyndra has been the exception, not the rule.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

    Conservatives, to be true to your god, many days before you stop supporting Ryan?

  38. 56

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    If Obama had intervened that specific plant do you think you would have said this? Especially if it had still folded….

    a line from Ryan’s attack on Obama’s stimulus:

    The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst

    .

    So he’s damned if he saved it, and damned if he didn’t.
    Conservatives, tell me how you can support Ryan after learning the truth?

  39. 57

    Michael spews:

    That’s right, HAers. Iran’s Ayatollah, Nancy Pelosi, and Elizabeth Edwards are on the same page.

    Elizabeth Edwards died in 2010, perhaps you meant Elizabeth Warren?

    The right in this country are on the same side as Iran’s Ayatollah, Hugo Chavez and a bunch of other evil fuckers when to comes to the UN small arms treaty.

  40. 58

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    More fact checking

    It’s true that the plant didn’t last another year, as Ryan said. In fact, the Business Journal in Milwaukee wrote that the assembly plant shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, at the tail end of the Bush administration, a victim of the financial crisis and dwindling demand for the SUVs produced at the plant. That’s nearly one month before Obama was sworn into office.

    About 100 workers were kept on in 2009 to finish a truck order and help shut down the plant, according to the Associated Press.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin

  41. 60

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @46. How are we supposed to have a dialogue, a dissension, to find common ground when you repeatedly demonize the left?

    In It’s Even Worse Than It Looks, congressional scholars Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein identify two overriding problems that have led Congress—and the United States—to the brink of institutional collapse. The first is the serious mismatch between our political parties, which have become as vehemently adversarial as parliamentary parties, and a governing system that, unlike a parliamentary democracy, makes it extremely difficult for majorities to act. Second, while both parties participate in tribal warfare, both sides are not equally culpable. The political system faces what the authors call “asymmetric polarization,” with the Republican Party implacably refusing to allow anything that might help the Democrats politically, no matter the cost.

    “They say our political dysfunction is largely because of the transformation of the Republican Party into an extremist force that is “dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.” You can’t get cooperation to serve the national interest when one side of the divide sees no distinction between the national interest and its own partisan triumph.”

    http://www.amazon.com/Even-Wor.....n+it+looks

    Yes SerCon, I’m looking at you. You yourself posted that anything is fair game to get the republicans back into power.

  42. 62

    Gman spews:

    @47 – yeah and the Republicans and the Taliban are on the same page when it comes to Gay rights, which are nothing more than freedom and liberty. So shove that up your ass Bob. Republicans = Taliban.

    Darryl, enough of holding my comments.

  43. 65

    spews:

    Poor little cunt

    See Bob? This is how your fellow travellers here on this website “debate”..

    By hurling misogynist taunts at their opponents.

    Any wonder why your side made a war on women a top priority the last two years? They hate women having the same autonomy as men. Your side believes women should submit to men and that’s why they call men who don’t believe this “cunt” “fag” “bleeder” and the like.

    They’re just acting out what they believe is the “ideal” relationship between men and women…

    Dig beneath the surface a tiny bit and you see insecure, emasculated men – terrified of the world changing beneath their feet..

    In the case of the asshat troll “little maxee”, we see a guy who was clearly bullied and berated most of his life by his short stature mother – a lifelong victim of short woman syndrome.

    Therefore, he comes here for “comical distraction” (at least 6000 comments worth, as his life is so full of meaning) – he imagines the people he hates are “cunts”, “fags” (i.e., effeminate men) and “bleeders” (menstruating women). He fantasizes injuring the uterus of those he hates with his penis – a rape fantasy.

    It’s documented here in the threads.. I report you decide, Bob..

  44. 66

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 59

    Yes SerCon, I’m looking at you. You yourself posted that anything is fair game to get the republicans back into power.

    I’m wondering which post has been distorted to that meaning. Please show me. Thank you.

  45. 67

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    “BOBBIE LUCIER: I just – I don’t like him. Can’t stand to look at him. I don’t like his wife. She’s far from the first lady. It’s about time we get a first lady in there that acts like a first lady and looks like a first lady.”
    What do you think the republican meant?
    http://wonkette.com/482693/nic.....first-lady

  46. 68

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 59

    Leftists blame stuff on the right. Film at 11.

    OTOH:


    Mann and Ornstein have gained the most attention for their claim that Republicans are more to blame than Democrats, a charge which seems unfair. As Chris Cillizza explained, many of the extreme ideological Republicans in the House are doing exactly what other members of the House are doing: representing the interests of the constituents who elected them. The Tea Party crowds who pushed for more extreme legislators got just what they hoped for. It is not only the legislators who have a strong ideological, no compromise attitude: The voters who elected them do, too. And Democratic legislators have shown they can throw up roadblocks as well as Republicans.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/.....ingle.html

  47. 70

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 67

    25,000 registrations, not voters.

    Voters are the ones who show up and vote.

    All the registation efforts over the past five years, and you really think that 25,000 people plugged into the internet somehow have just been missed by OFA in the past?

    Right.

    Count the number of voters who signed up yesterday named ‘Seamus’.

  48. 71

    spews:

    66 – Yaaawwwn. Last I looked, half of all people who are eligible to vote aren’t even registered.. Of those half that are registered, only half of those can be bothered enough to vote in off years, maybe slightly more than half in presidential years..

    We’ve had an apathetic electorate for almost all of my lifetime. The fanatics vote, give money and do even more. They’re the squeaky wheels.

    When they’ve done enough damage, they’ll be tossed out unless they age out and die first. Ever see a teabagger rally?

  49. 73

    rhp6033 spews:

    I got to listen to NPR a bit this morning, while driving between one work site and another. They were having a panel discussion about Ryan’s speach. Since I didn’t hear the beginning, I don’t know who was on the panel.

    I heard them spend some twenty minutes quickly listing Ryan’s comments and pointing out that each had been repudiated by every independent fax-checker. But one commentator pointed out that Ryan’s speach-writer was very good, but his delivery average. The speach was designed to give short talking points which would appeal to the low-information voter, who was unlikely to investigate the truth or falsehood of Ryan’s claims. That, in effect, is their target audience – those who don’t know any better except to trust Republicans and vote for them, the truth be damned.

  50. 74

    rhp6033 spews:

    At another occassion this morning, I caught up with an interview of the producer of the “2016″ movie, which the Tea Party folks are advertising on Facebook and banners on the freeway overpasses. It’s apparantly a movie financed by some Republican supporters (Koch brothers? Rove?) which is designed to make you fear Obama.

    In the interview, the producer argued that after four years of Obama as President, “we still don’t know who he is”. He then seeks to fill that void by making up an entirely fictional account of who Obama.

    I’m not sure how much is in the movie, but in the interview the producer said Obama’s agenda for the next four years, which apparantly includes turning the U.S. over to the U.N., arming Iran and Arab states with U.S. nuclear weapons so they can attack Israel, and making the U.S. a socialist nation enforced by fascist totalitarian policies. He dismissed the lack of evidence by claiming Obama “wants” this – a tactic used by Limbaugh and other right-wing commentators over the next five years. (Ignore what he says and does, and simply say he “wants” it!).

    When forced into a factual discussion, he claims that the U.S. unemployment level when President Obama took office was only 7.2%, compared with (he claims) 8.9% today, and that U.S. jobs have actually decreased under President Obama’s policies. When it was pointed out that his figures were ridiculous, he changed topics.

    I think we need to find a new word for liar. The word simply isn’t strong enough to cover the current crop of Republicans.

  51. 75

    rhp6033 spews:

    Seriously, trolls, I have a question. Doesn’t it hurt to lie like this so often? I’d be sick to my stomach if I had to repeat the Republican talking points every morning with a straight face.

  52. 76

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @66. If I have time, I will find where you first started using the republican theme of “By any means available”. I remember it being within the first couple of weeks of you starting to post here and before your insulting of the President’s daughter. Because you were justifying your ridicule by referencing previous posts where you were talking that anything was acceptable if it helped get your party back in power.

  53. 77

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 I saw in this morning’s Republican Times that Ryan promised 12 million jobs over the next 4 years. He’s not setting his sights very high is he? We need 159,000 jobs a month just to keep the unemployment rate the same. So that’s only about 50% – 60% more than bare maintenance level.

    The reality, though, is the next president — Republican or Democrat — won’t have much influence over job creation. Even if Romney succeeds in cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, that won’t create jobs, because the weak hiring is due to lack of consumer demand, not lack of investment capital. Corporations are already sitting on $2 trillion of cash they can’t put to work in their businesses because they don’t have customers for their products.

    But the biggest reason presidents can’t keep jobs is because the economy is going through a deleveraging cycle. As fund manager Ray Dalio wrote in this paper,

    http://www.bwater.com/Uploads/.....ewater.pdf

    it took America 60 years to leverage up, and it’s going to take 15 – 20 years to deleverage. The only way to speed up that process is by writing off debt; but, as others have pointed out, one man’s debt is another man’s asset, so you can’t do that without destroying wealth — and most of the debt is owned by pension funds, investment funds, endowments, and other institutional investors in which many of us have a stake.

    I’m not saying the Republican ticket, if they get into office, can’t deliver 12 million jobs in 4 years. I’m saying that’s not a very ambitious goal and the economy will deliver most, if not all, of those 12 million jobs by itself under current conditions. In other words, if Obama gets re-elected and sleeps through the next 4 years, we’ll probably get most or all of the 12 million jobs Ryan is promising. So Ryan really didn’t promise very much of anything at all.

  54. 78

    Michael spews:

    it took America 60 years to leverage up, and it’s going to take 15 – 20 years to deleverage.

    Yep!

  55. 79

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Re Michael @46 pointing out the Janesville lie that Ryan told again last night.

    Spent the day in a business meeting with clients today. All of these guys are white successful business men making more money than the median. Their demographics would put them as at least leaning Republican just by default.
    When I’m with clients trying to make more money myself I steer clear of politics.

    Well, today before the business discussions began, on each of the breaks, at lunch and after the meeting ended these guys talked about nothing but Ryan’s lie and the Republican ticket’s complete and utter dependence upon lying.

    I don’t know if it means anything, but in 40 years I’ve never heard anything like it in the wake of a speech at a convention planned to inspire folks like these to vote for the ticket.

    oh, and knowing most of these guys for 15+ years, I know them as apolitical.

  56. 81

    Michael spews:

    - Fuck all of these hurdles to the Burke-Gillman Trail missing link. It might make it harder to get to 0 road fatalities.

    Astonishing as it may seem, after more than six years, the battle over completing the “Missing Link” of the Burke-Gilman Trail—the 21-block section that stretches from east of the Ballard Bridge to the Ballard Locks—just entered yet another phase on Monday, when a city of Seattle hearing examiner ruled that the project will have to go through a full environmental impact statement (EIS), a lengthy and expensive process.

    http://publicola.com/2012/08/2.....sing-link/

    A couple years back I decided that it’s quite silly to require EIS’s on fairly low impact projects in areas that are already highly impacted. Now, I’m starting to wonder if we need them in in large cities at all.

  57. 82

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 “The Janesville GM plant was running in 2009, and was closed in May of that year. Here’s a little memory check for you HAers. ”

    And here’s a little FACT CHECK for you:

    “December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.

    “April 23, 2009: The plant’s medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.

    “But to fairly evaluate Obama’s statement, at least two pieces of context — missing from Ryan’s account — would be useful: First, that Obama wasn’t telling this plant that he’d save it from a pending closure. He wasn’t addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn’t come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant’s last bit of production stopped early in Obama’s presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president.”

    In summary, most of the plant’s workers were laid off by December 2008 and only 57 production workers were still employed there in 2009. And, in summary, what Ryan said about it — and what you said about it in your post #2 in this thread — is still misleading. The decision to close this plant was made, and most of the layoffs occurred, before Obama became president. And he never promised to save the plant.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/.....index.html

  58. 83

    Michael spews:

    @79

    Dang. That can’t be good for the Republicans. I really think the Republican Party is about to fall apart.

  59. 84

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 76

    Good luck with that. If nothing else, it just doesn’t sound like something I’d write. Try searching ‘by all means necessary’ although if that came out of, say, Maria Cantwell’s mouth one wouldn’t assume she included violence as one of the means. By the same token, if I said something like ‘We need to have a Republican Congress by all means necessary.’ it shouldn’t imply that I favor a violent takeover of Congress.

  60. 85

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 83

    I’d be more worried about a bunch of people talking about Ryan that way in, say, Kansas City (either one) than I would in a Seattle ‘burb.

    There was a time when people around here talked about Kucinich. I’m sure his name virtually would never come up anywhere else outside of the Cleveland area.

  61. 86

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @74 After four years of Obama, Osama bin Laden is dead, the U.S. still has the world’s strongest military, oil is still flowing through the Strait of Hormuz, and the only terrorist attacks against Americans have been those committed by Americans adhering to rightwing ideologies.

  62. 87

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @83 Michael,
    By all logic they should have re-thunk the BS magic fairy dust economic plan they push after the disaster it produced in 2008. Instead they doubled down, and with last night attempted to bluff the cards that are clearly showing.
    Cripes! They put Condi in prime time to talk national security!
    I’m just amazed and dumbfounded at what I heard today.

  63. 90

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “There is no monopoly on becoming a millionaire. If you’re jealous of those with more money, … spend less time drinking … and more time working.” — Australian billionaire Gina Rinehart

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48842456

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Rinehart became a millionaire by inheriting a mining empire from her rich father.

  64. 92

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @90 Roger,
    Was there ever a greater line than Barry Switzer’s “He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.”?

  65. 93

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The GOP convention is all about attacking Obama. Looks like the Pubbers still don’t get what that pesky “vision thing” is all about.

  66. 97

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This week, two separate federal courts have thrown out Texas’s GOP-drawn redistricting plan and GOP-written voter ID law as discriminatory against minorities.

  67. 98

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @94 Asshat,
    Yes, that will be interesting.
    I for one think you should definitely vote for the crew that despite millions spent and all kinds of accreditation and identification restrictions (ask the Ron Paul “delegates”) can’t keep “Democratic Party plants” with devious conspiracy plans out of the Republican convention hall.

    Be sure to keep us updated!

  68. 100

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @94 & @98 – Yes, that is interesting. If the GOP can’t keep Democrat peanut-throwers from infiltrating their convention, why should we hire the GOP to protect us from terrorists, North Koreans, and Iranians?

  69. 101

    spews:

    59. Rujax!..”Bob”…the cereal klownsevative. Slavering toady to the elites!! spews:
    52. kim jong chillin spews:

    Poor little cunt ylb is getting owned left and right….go get job you loser.

    08/30/2012 at 11:44 am

    Oh goody…here’s the little fucking rat-bastard scab emperor max mini-dick (aka kaiser bun the first).

    08/30/2012 AT 11:55 AM

    have another 11:55am beer rujaxoff….

  70. 104

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @102 Asshat,
    I created 9.5 jobs for 2013 paying a good wage, health care, dental, vacation, and sick time today.

    What did you do?

  71. 105

    spews:

    suffers from AVS(aching vaginal syndrome)

    Bingo! Whoever you hate you transform into something with female anatomy..

    That’s how you roll..

    Your 4’11″ mom must have paddled your ass something fierce when you were a tot.

    And your life has been so great, you’ve placed over 6000 comments here since early 2009 with more or less the same content: “fag”, “cunt”, “bleeder”, “bitch”, “moonbat”, etc..

    You really NEED this place. Other places you have to keep yourself in check.. Here you can be yourself: mean-spirited, ugly and abusive.

  72. 107

    Steve spews:

    “Fact-checkers” under attack by wingnuts. Wingnuts never were much for truth, were they? I take it that what really rankles wingnut asses is that they don’t like having their Fearless Leader’s lies exposed. Tough shit, fucktards. It’s like the Little Baby Jesus sez, the truth shall make you free.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-J.....Died-Today

    Nice try fucktwits, but truths don’t die so easily as you wish.

  73. 109

    Michael spews:

    @107

    I love how the folks at Breitbart try to prove they’re right by quoting and linking back to themselves. I’ve decided that the folks at places aren’t so much dishonest as they are insane.

  74. 110

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Wingnuts never were much for truth, were they?

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias

  75. 111

    Puddybud spews:

    Like Dullard does with his Swiss and Cayman Island Accounts..

    You can spot the ASShat of HA ylbuttspigot when he doesn’t understand money. Why? he’s on a blog all day when others are working hard!

    So ASShat, was that pre-tax or post-tax money in Switzerland and Cayman? Let’s see if the buttspigot understands anything about money!!!!!

  76. 113

    Puddybud spews:

    When you see the slobbering libtard msm going nutzo from Paul Ryan’s speech, you know he struck gold!

  77. 114

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Hey puddles is here!

    You still haven’t explained to me how I’m a racist. I’m waiting….

  78. 115

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    When you see the slobbering libtard msm going nutzo from Paul Ryan’s speech

    The entire world is discussing the breathtaking, shameless dishonesty of Paul Ryan.
    I don’t think we’re in a post truth age, as some pundits have posited, but rather a post-shame age.

  79. 116

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    The sure sign that you’re about to read something really, really stupid:

    Puddybud spews:

  80. 118

    Puddybud spews:

    You still haven’t explained to me how I’m a racist.

    If you can’t figger out what you wrote, why you wrote it, and how you projected what you wrote wrongly onto others, you are one sorry fool Lib da schmuck!!!!!

  81. 119

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    If you can’t figger out what you wrote, why you wrote it, and how you projected what you wrote wrongly onto others, you are one sorry fool Lib da schmuck!!!!!

    Typical evasion.

    You’re a fraud.

  82. 120

    spews:

    108. “little maxie” the asshat troll is just a garden variety, lying, right wing, racist hater and dumbass. spews:
    Heh. I just found another one!

    http://horsesass.org/?p=17116#comment-925219

    Oh this is classic!

    I abhor the republicans ALMOST as much I do you degenerate, lazy ass progressives

    “ALMOST” – translation: enough for the asshat little maxee to vote for them 99.9999999999 percent of the time. The rest for a glibertarian that Dori Monson likes.

    08/30/2012 AT 4:51 PM

    and internet stalker YLB still wont look for a job….

    youre just a tool YLB, nothing but a tool.

  83. 121

    Serial conservative spews:

    Clint Eastwood on taxes:

    “When a man’s got money in his pocket, he begins to appreciate peace.” — A Fistfull of Dollars (1964)

  84. 122

    spews:

    104. MikeBoyScout spews:
    @102 Asshat,
    I created 9.5 jobs for 2013 paying a good wage, health care, dental, vacation, and sick time today.

    What did you do?

    08/30/2012 AT 4:14 PM

    Ive got a regular 9-5 job, AND a few side businesses that also employ people…whats your point?

    fuck, I HAVE to work this much, in order to support lazy fucks like YLB, rujax, and deathfrogg…

  85. 123

    Serial conservative spews:

    Clint Eastwood on Obama’s chances for re-election:

    “Tell me, isn’t the sheriff supposed to be courageous, loyal and, above all, honest? … I think you people need a new sheriff.” — For a Few Dollars More (1965).

  86. 125

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Oh. Moore doesn’t think Ryan lied last night, either.

    That is so fucking dishonest. Moore said that he thinks that Ryan believes his own lies. You imply that he said that Ryan didn’t tell an untruth.

    Big difference, and typical nasty lie from you.

  87. 126

    Serial conservative spews:

    @ 121

    Hey, lay off Rujax. He’s got a job.

    He’s a professional @ 45 @ 52 bass fisherman.

  88. 127

    Serial conservative spews:

    @ 124

    A lie is an intentional untruth.

    Jury’s still out on when the plant closed.

    Moore thinks that Ryan thinks his statement is accurate. Ergo, Moore thinks that Ryan believes what he stated last night.

  89. 128

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Clint Eastwood sounds like a dottering old man.

    He’s attacking Obama, so far, for not ending the (Bush) Iraq war, and for not closing ‘Gitmo’ which Bush established as a torture chamber.

    This is the big ‘surprise’?

  90. 129

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Pentagon Warns SEAL Author

    The Pentagon’s top lawyer has sent a letter to ex-SEAL Matt Bissonette warning him that his failure to clear his book with the Pentagon is a “material breach” of the non-disclosure agreement he signed and that “further dissemination” of the book will constitute “further material breach.”

  91. 130

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Ergo, Moore thinks that Ryan believes what he stated last night.

    Yes, but you made it sound like Moore thought that Ryan was telling truths, which is different, and like I said, underscores your profound dishonesty.

    Jury’s still out on when the plant closed

    That is actually one of the more minor lies, paling in comparison to the Medicare “theft”, and Simpson Bowles, and the credit rating.

    You people are all such liars.

  92. 133

    rhp6033 spews:

    I heard someone on the radio give the “Democratic Plant” argument about the yahoos who threw penuts at the black CNN camerawoman. He insisted he believed it was true because “both sides do it” and it wasn’t credible that someone would do that at a convention. He said he heard it from somewhere.

    The CNN camerawoman spoke out for the first time today. She said she didn’t want the incident to be used for partison purposes, but as a teaching opportunity about racism. She said she was told by convention security that they wouldn’t name the individuals, but they thought they were “alternates”, not delegates. Not that that makes much of a difference.

    It sounds to me like Karl Rove’s classic “whispering campaign” designed to nullify a potentially damaging problem. Interesting that they took two days to come up with it.

    So what is more credible – that at least a few Republican delegates or alternates are racist who reacted to an African American woman in a technical profession for a so-called “liberal” news media outlet with racist and sophomoric antics; or that Democratic operatives managed to work their way through the entire delegate-selection process for the GOP and get credentials which are only available to delegates, alternates, convention workers, and the news media?

  93. 134

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Clint Eastwood:

    “We own this country”

    Ruling class humor at its best.

  94. 135

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    That Clint Eastwood speech is almost as good at Pat Buchanon in 1992.

  95. 136

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @122 Clint is always entertaining, in his own inimitable way, and he was again tonight and I enjoyed his skit very much.

  96. 137

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Paraphrased Marco Rubio:

    Poor Obama, nice guy, just couldn’t do the job. This Affirmative Action program just doesn’t work.

  97. 139

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    its far more probable that they were plants

    You keep telling yourself that, asshat

  98. 141

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Over at DailyKos:

    7:17 PM PT: Eastwood was a brilliant move by the Obama campaign.

  99. 145

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Rubio just came pretty damn close to saying, “God bless America, and no place else!”

  100. 147

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Good god, watching the Rebup convention, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many white people in one place.
    Do they keep the black and brown ones in a special pen somewhere?

    Free the Black Republicans!!

    Oh, what? Puddy’s the only one?
    OK, nevermind.

  101. 148

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    I think Rubio’s about to say, “I’m not a witch, I’m you!”

  102. 149

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m listening to Rubio talk about American dreams, and he reminds me of the dreams I had when I was young. My dream wasn’t to get rich in business. That’s okay, as far as it goes. But I had a different dream. My dream was to serve others, to make this world a little better place, especially for those most in need of a helping hand. Like countless teachers, cops, soldiers, and other public servants, I thought that I could best do that in public service. Marco Rubio is a fine young man but he is speaking for a political party that has taught two generations of Americans that government — their own government, our government — is their enemy, is evil, is a destroyer of the good things in life. And I have known too many fine public servants to believe that.

    P.S., public servants don’t get to live in mansions or drive Porsches; and that’s not their goal in life. Is that less admirable than people whose life goals center around the accumulation of personal wealth?

  103. 150

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    …he is speaking for a political party that has taught two generations of Americans that government — their own government, our government — is their enemy, is evil, is a destroyer of the good things in life.

    I’ve long thought that that was the greatest evil of the Republican party.

    To paraphrase Mitt Romney, “Government, my friend, is people.”

    It’s just that a democratic government is representative of and responsive to all citizens, and that’s what they despise, and must destroy.

  104. 151

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    From kos:

    Mitt Romney’s big night, and he got upstaged by an empty chair.
    — @KailiJoy via web

  105. 152

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Hey Cereal, check this out!

    HAHAHAHAAHAHA

  106. 153

    notrouble spews:

    @2 You might want to read your own link. Candidate Obama spoke at the plant on Feb. 13, 2008. The plant was closed on December 23, 2008 except for less than 60 employees that stayed on to fulfill obligations to Isuzu. When did President Obama take office again?

  107. 154

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Mitt, complaining about workers losing $22.50 an hour jobs for $9 per hour jobs.

    This from the party of union-busting.

    Un-fucking-believable shamelessness.

  108. 155

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    OOOOOh, Mitt’s mad and he “deserves better.”

    I think he really believes that.

  109. 157

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    I think that crowd is where Amway dupes come from.

  110. 158

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Mitt is now listing all the women he’s ever met.

    Pathetic, and hysterical.

  111. 159

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Mitt is repellent.

  112. 162

    Puddybud spews:

    Mitt, complaining about workers losing $22.50 an hour jobs for $9 per hour jobs.

    Yes, cuz under Obummer they lost their high paying job so as Americans’ they took two jobs at lower pay because they believed in the American dream even though Obummer’s policies DESTROYED their livlihood!

    Of course Lib da schmuck didn’t understand because he lives in stupidville!

  113. 163

    Puddybud spews:

    Typical evasion.

    You said NIGGER you idiot. You implied NIGGER you idiot. You projected NIGGER on others yyou idiot.

    Too bad you have NIGGER on the brain and couldn’t figger it out!

  114. 164

    Puddybud spews:

    F. UpChuck Todd admitted something about Paul Ryan’s speech…

    “what he said many times was technically factual”

    Now watch the libtards go nutzo. F UpChuck Todd, admitted Obummer toady delivered the Obummer talking points this evening on NBC then finished what he was fed by Obummer’s gang

    “by what he left out, actually distorted the actual truth.”

    The point here is every news organization is in the tank for Obummer.

  115. 166

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Typical evasion.

    You said NIGGER you idiot. You implied NIGGER you idiot. You projected NIGGER on others yyou idiot.

    Too bad you have NIGGER on the brain and couldn’t figger it out!

    Yes, you buffoon, I used the word ‘NIGGER’. So what? I was describing what the REPUBLICANS were doing to sway angry old white racists.

    That does not make me a racist, you utter moron.

  116. 168

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    puddy, if you as a person in the real world are half as dishonest, stupid, malignant and snide as the persona you play here, you are a profoundly wasted life.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @163 Maybe the reputable news media would treat Republicans better if they didn’t lie so damned much.

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    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Yes, cuz under Obummer they lost their high paying job so as Americans’ they took two jobs at lower pay because they believed in the American dream even though Obummer’s policies DESTROYED their livlihood!

    An utter and complete misapprehension of the experience of working people in the age of virulent Republican anti-unionism and the destruction of the American wage-earning family and their income.

  119. 173

    Puddybud spews:

    Yes, you buffoon, I used the word ‘NIGGER’. So what?

    That’s What? It’s you progressives who project your own loser immorality on your opponents. Per libtard progressive blacks such as Jackson and Sharpton you have NO RIGHT to use that word. Your fingerprints are all over this blog using that word! And it’s very telling the only two who came to your defense were the most stupid here… ylbuttspigot and rujax the reservation dweller. Not even ROGER SENILE Wabbit spoke to your defense Lib da schmuck. Very telling.

    Racist pig!

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    Puddybud spews:

    puddy, if you as a person in the real world are half as dishonest, stupid, malignant and snide as the persona you play here, you are a profoundly wasted life.

    Hold that thought Lib da schmuck. Keep saying that over and over and over.

    And right on time ylbuttspigot drops another diarrhea load. Puddy going for #1 buttspigot. And I only post around work hours unless I am off that day!

  121. 176

    Puddybud spews:

    Ya see Lib da schmuck, Allen West and Tim Scott blow away your racist spiel. All you do is ambush others with your “glorious thoughts” of horse manure.

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    spews:

    It’s you progressives who project your own loser immorality on your opponents. Per libtard progressive blacks such as Jackson and Sharpton you have NO RIGHT to use that word..

    LibSci used it to illustrate right wing messaging.. The right wing is sending out racist dog whistles all over the place. He NEVER called you or anyone else that YOU MORON!

    GBS used it a few times. He was criticizing Mr. Klynical’s racist jokes. PL and others told him it wasn’t a good idea to use it like he did.

    Did you pipe up back then?

    No. You hadn’t YET thought to stab him in the back!

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    Puddybud spews:

    puddy, if you as a person in the real world are half as dishonest, stupid, malignant and snide as the persona you play here, you are a profoundly wasted life.

    Project much Lib da schmuck? It’s a Psych 101 thing.

  124. 179

    Puddybud spews:

    What did Puddy say above?

    And it’s very telling the only two who came to your defense were the most stupid here… ylbuttspigot and rujax the reservation dweller.

    And look who arrives right on time; ylbuttspigot. Pavlov is always right!

    LibSci used it to illustrate right wing messaging..

  125. 180

    Puddybud spews:

    He NEVER called you or anyone else that

    Oh yes he did, though his implication!

    Man you are sooooo stupid buttspigot. You always talk out you arschloch. Clueless as always!

  126. 181

    Puddybud spews:

    This fuck isn’t smart, funny, or informative.

    And you are rujax?

    Bwaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa

  127. 182

    Puddybud spews:

    Puddy recently posted this correct and factual statement…

    The job of many liberal journalists these days apparently is to discern veiled Republican racism wherever they can find it – or make it up.

    Lib da schmuck has taken that mantle here on HA!

  128. 183

    Puddybud spews:

    Mitt Romney tonight: “President Obama Promised to Slow the Rise of the Oceans. My Promise Is to Help You and Your Family”

  129. 186

    spews:

    Oh yes he did, though his implication!

    BULLSHIT! YOU LIE you miserable hater!

    Racist right wingers are stirring up old resentments!

    THEY ARE PROMULGATING LIES! And YOU ARE SILENT!

    They say to a black woman: this is how we feed animals!

    YOU ARE SILENT!

    They say about Michelle Obama: “she doesn’t act like a first lady and doesn’t look like a first lady.”

    YOU ARE SILENT!

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    Puddybud spews:

    And right on time ylbuttspigot drops another diarrhea load. Puddy going for #1 buttspigot.

    And right on time ylbuttspigot appears with

    433 comments or almost 62 comments a day or 2 and change comments an hour for a whole week!

    PWNED!

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    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Oh yes he did, though his implication!

    Moronic, self-righteous, dishonest. Not true.

    Fuck you puddy, and all your mawkish feigning of injury.

    You defend racists all day long around here. This pretend injury and insult you’re braying about is a figment of your imagination, or, more likely, what you perceive is a chance at a cheap shot and a way to win an argument.

    Fuck you. I’ll use any word I want and I won’t apologize to you. I’ll call Republicans out for their vile racist appeals to vile racists, and I’ll type the word ‘nigger’ all day long if I have to to make this point because that’s EXACTLY what they’re saying.

    You’re just trying to silence an opponent, and you’re doing it in the service of a pack of racists who want nothing but for all of us to be serfs, and will stoke the ignorant racist id to get that.

    You are a pathetic lackey, and a nasty, sad excuse for a human being.

  132. 192

    Puddybud spews:

    It’s not Republicans who defaced the black Utah mayor’s internet page.

    It’s not Republicans who attacked Artur Davis in public or on the internet.

    It’s racist DUMMOCRAPTS like Lib da schmuck who call people they dislike NIGGER haters when they demonstrate their NIGGER hatred front and center. rujax is silent!

    They say to a black woman: this is how we feed animals!

    YOU ARE SILENT

    Because onvention leaders took care of those two people ylbuttspigot. You are a moron as always!

  133. 194

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    It’s not Republicans who attacked Artur Davis in public or on the internet.

    Arthur Davis is a turn-coat, and asshole, a narcissist. He deserves what he gets. Several days ago I posted a critique from a former colleague in Alabma, a BLACK man.

    God you’re stupid.

  134. 195

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Because onvention leaders took care of those two people ylbuttspigot.

    The most paper-thin, pathetic, ineffective apology/deflection ever.

  135. 196

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    It’s racist DUMMOCRAPTS like Lib da schmuck who call people they dislike NIGGER haters when they demonstrate their NIGGER hatred front and center.

    What the fuck are you even talking about, you crazy ass, Jesus-rode-a-dinosaur Bibul-thumpin’ apologist for David Duke?

  136. 199

    Puddybud spews:

    What the fuck are you even talking about, you crazy ass, Jesus-rode-a-dinosaur Bibul-thumpin’ apologist for David Duke?

    Prove it schmucko. Ask the HA buttspigot for proof. Good luck idioto!

    Once again you’re an angry lying ASShole!

  137. 200

    Puddybud spews:

    Arthur Davis is a turn-coat, and asshole, a narcissist.

    Wrong again schmucko. DO you ever read and process factual data? Artur Davis strove for a higher office… one that DUMMOCRAPTS reserved for a whitey DUMMOCRAPT. Artur Davis got in their way and he was rejected by white DUMMOCRAPTS.

    So here it is again schmucko. I realize it KABLAMMO’s your well practice mantra…

    Ummm nope you dope…

    H Carl McCall… DUMMOCRAPTS didn’t want a black man leading NY State as governor

    Southern DUMMOCRAPT Political Blacks who were destroyed by DUMMOCRAPTS who didn’t want them in places of power in the South

    Kendrick Meeks
    Artur Davis
    Thurbert Baker
    Ken Lewis
    Anthony Foxx
    Johnny Dupree

    Puddy knows the historical rejection of blacks when they strive for power in DUMMOCRAPT WHITEY strongholds!That’s because when you look through the microscope you see DUMMOCRAPTS are racist and rujax loves the reservation!

  138. 201

    Puddybud spews:

    The most paper-thin, pathetic, ineffective apology/deflection ever.

    Is that schmucko’s response for the vicious Mia Love attacks by DUMMOCRAPTS?

    Did you write some of those headless dorky dorkman lucy? It has your imprimatur all over that page.

  139. 202

    Puddybud spews:

    “I think people should start to practice the words ‘President Romney. To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition.” – Michael Moore

    Looks like he must have read an HA smegma entry from schmucko.

  140. 203

    Puddybud spews:

    Those were great testimonial about Mitt Romney and how he quietly left a lasting impact on the small people. Puddy wonders who will they trot out next week to say something similar about Obummer?

  141. 204

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    It’s actually sad to read these alternately desperate, grasping, delusional, bombastic posts by ‘puddy’, whoever or whatever he is.

    You go on, puddles, keep shilling for the party of Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy (which is alive and well), of Jesse Helms and David Duke, the party of Joe Walsh calling Obama ‘son’, the party that brought us the ‘Kenyan’ or ‘Indonesian’ president with a Birth Certificate problem, the party of wholesale disenfranchisement aimed squarely at people of color. Remember this? Or this classic? Here’s another good one. Debbie Spenditnow? Good Christian Sharon Angle makes the list, too. You do that.

    You keep coming up with your Arthur Davis sob stories to tell yourself, that the Democrats are the party of keeping people ‘on the plantation’. You do that.

  142. 205

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Is that schmucko’s response for the vicious Mia Love attacks by DUMMOCRAPTS?

    Cry me a fucking river.

    Someone called her a ‘whore’ for her pro-corporate policy positions. Nice? No. Unusual or vicious, race-based, sexist? Nope.

    She was called an ‘Aunt Tom’ for being a Black politician grasping for power in the confines of the manifestly racist, paternal, Confederate Republican Party. Sounds about right.

    Your (non)response to your RNC compatriots throwing peanuts at a black woman operating a camera for CNN and saying, “This is how we feed the animals.” remains…

    The most paper-thin, pathetic, ineffective apology/deflection ever.

  143. 206

    Puddybud spews:

    There Lib da schmuck goes again… painting conservative black women as Aunt Tom.

    Your true progressive black hatred colors are on full display now Lib da schmuck.

    Where is that cacophony of HA libtards coming to your defense? Only rujax and the buttspigot. Yes those two are a superb pair.

    You actually think Puddy is gonna answer your pathetic counter charges after your use of the n-word? You are a real moron!

    Is that how you teach your children to think about conservative blacks? Aunt Toms? Sell-outs? Niggers? You are progressive waste. Your kind need to be flushed!

  144. 207

    Puddybud spews:

    You go on, Lib da schmuck, shilling for the carpetbagging party, those who invented the KKK & Birth of a Nation, those who supported Margaret Sanger and her Planned Parenthood or Oliver Wendell Holmes

    Here are some quotes from someone you hold in high esteem

    “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
    population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    Or this gem from the same woman

    “As an advocate of birth control I wish … to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the ‘unfit’ and the ‘fit,’ admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feebleminded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation.

    Of course rujax and ylbuttspigot are on your side never comprehending the true magnitude of Margaret Sanger wanting to exterminate their kind as unfit!

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg Lib da schmuck. You wanna throw history on this blog? Well let’s get down!!!

  145. 208

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Wow.
    Puddles is reduced to quoting a woman who died nearly 50 years ago, and uses quotes that are nearly a hundred years old.

    Puddles will spin spin spin to defend ‘the massa’

    Since I assume puddles isn’t really really rich (the only people who actually benefit from Republican policy), it must be the culture war shtick that has him hooked on ‘thugs, and notably, has him twisting to apologize for manifest Republican racism.

    The religiosity, the longing for a paternalistic/misogynistic neofeudal theocracy.

    IT’S the NOAH, STUPID!

    Yes, the Republican pandering to the nuts who believe the earth is 6012 years old, and that Noah saved the velociraptors on his big boat, that’s what allows puddles to see past the Lee Atwaters and the Jesse Helms and the Birthers and the Kenyans.

    Taking away birth control and stopping any teaching of evolution is more important to him than his own self respect.

    Sad.

  146. 209

    Puddybud spews:

    Yes, the Republican pandering to the nuts who believe the earth is 6012 years old, and that Noah saved the velociraptors on his big boat,

    Just as Michael Moore said about Lib da schmuck…

    “I think people should start to practice the words ‘President Romney. To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition.” – Michael Moore

    See the similarities HA leftists?

    Is that how you teach your children to think about conservative blacks? Aunt Toms? Sell-outs? Niggers? You are progressive waste. Your kind need to be flushed!

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    spews:

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....fpnewsfeed

    TPMDC

    Bernanke: Spending Cuts Harming The Economy, May Lead To Further Fed Stimulus

    Brian Beutler-August 31, 2012, 1:19 PM3267

    In a speech delivered at a Federal Reserve retreat in Jackson Hole, Wyo., Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke warned Friday in unusually clear terms that spending cuts at both the federal, state, and local level have become significant impediments to economic growth, and made a public case for further monetary easing — remarks which have leading fed watchers predicting that the central bank will announce a new round of asset purchases (so-called quantitative easing) in September.

    A 1%-er leaving the reservation…oh noes!!!