Open Thread 8/28

- I haven’t finished this piece on Obama and race yet, but so far it’s quite interesting.

– These are my favorite protesters at the RNC so far (may be NSFW).

– I realize the problems are worse in California, but wouldn’t it be nice to have a governor who could rally businesses behind raising taxes?

Giving away the store.

– I’m not thrilled that super PAC’s are setting the agenda, but that’s a dumb resolution that Koster sponsored.

Make him seem not stiff or mechanical.

Comments

  1. 1

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Saw this over at ‘kos:

    “Heaven sent a hurricane to hold off Gov. Romney’s coronation, so today we’re urging pro-life GOP delegates to abstain from any voting on Romney’s nomination until all GOP financial support for Todd Akin is reinstated and details of Romney’s income tax returns in connection with Bain’s Stericycle investment have been made public,” Operation Rescue President Troy Newman said.

    Party unity? I think the Republicans will have their own PUMA problem this year, and much bigger than the Hillary loyalists were in 2008.

    BWAHAHAHA!! TODD AKIN!! HAHAHAHA!!

  2. 2

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 2

    Lib Despair, whom do you think the ’08 PUMAs will be voting for this year?

  3. 3

    Gman spews:

    My offer still stands. Any takers on a wager. Puffy pusses out, maybe Bob or one of the other trolls. Let’s make a wager on a benchmark of a Romney economy should he become President. For example, the bet would be on your terms, say for instance that the unemployment rate will be x after x years, or there will be x jobs created over x year(s). Or that gas will be x after so many years, as Mitt promised. Puffy is already making excuses and playing the blame game even though Mitt has promised lower gas prices. You guys do think things will be better don’t you, why vote for non improvement. $100 you pussies. I’m sure you all will jump at this opportunity, you jamokes.

  4. 4

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    I heard Derek Kilmer and his opponent being interviewed yesterday by that dimwit Ross Reynolds, and he generally sounded good.

    HOWEVER, when asked about support for marijuana legalization, he totally muffed it – saying some drivel like that he had consulted law enforcement to help guide his views, and since their job ‘would be harder’ he’s against it.

    Lay enforcement enforces laws we the citizens enact. We don’t ask them for permission or views on civil rights. It was totally spineless and very disappointing.

    And yes, I was hoping he’d say, “Damn right I support legalization, and I’m looking forward to sparking up a doob when it passes!”

  5. 5

    Serial Conservative spews:

    August 28, 2012 – McMahon By A Nose In Close Connecticut Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Obama Tops Romney By 7 Points

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/inst.....aseID=1790

    ‘By A Nose’ is 3 points.

    Before Rujax straps on his Obama kneepads – his fourth pair – over the Obama margin in CT, he’d do well to recall that Obama took the state by 23 points in 2008.

    I had no idea that many Goldman Sachs executives lived in CT.

    Oh, and for your morning comedy, what do CT voters, 60% of whom voted Obama/Biden in ’08, think about Biden this time around?


    Connecticut voters say 43 – 35 percent that Biden is qualified to be president, compared to 29 – 26 percent, with 44 percent undecided, for Ryan.

    That’s comedy you can’t buy, people.

  6. 6

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Lib Despair, whom do you think the ‘08 PUMAs will be voting for this year?

    My sense is that they were mainly women who ardently supported Hillary Clinton.

    Honestly, in Obama v. Romney, I see them breaking heavily for Obama, and why wouldn’t they?

  7. 7

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 3

    I’m spoken for. Rael’s taking me to the dance this time.

    Glad to see you’re at least trying to figure out a way to profit from a Romney presidency.

    Trust me, it won’t be nearly as hard as trying to earn a living under the current one.

  8. 8

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    @5 I’d say that the Obama margin is WAY too small, and that that casts doubt on the whole enchilada.

  9. 9

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 6

    why wouldn’t they?

    Hell, fury, woman scorned.

    Something along those lines.

  10. 10

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 8

    Q poll matches Rasmussen poll a week ago – both have McMahon up 3 points.

    What you SHOULD be saying is that the Obama margin is a very worrisome sign.

  11. 11

    Serial Conservative spews:

    What happens when gas prices and the unemployment rate go up?

    Why,

    MARKET PULSE Archives
    Aug. 28, 2012, 10:01 a.m. EDT
    Consumer confidence falls to nine-month low

    http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....atest_news

    The Conference Board on Tuesday said its confidence index dropped to 60.6 from 65.4, marking the lowest level since last November.

    A five-point drop in a month is pretty steep, BTW.

  12. 12

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Talk about unfortunate timing:

    Catholic opportunist a damning pick for Mitt Romney

    By Margery Eagan
    Tuesday, August 28

    http://www.bostonherald.com/ne.....1061156256

    I wonder if this Boston Herald columnist wants to rethink her piece, now that the DNC

    NY Catholic cardinal to offer prayer at DNC, RNC
    The Associated Press
    Tuesday, Aug. 28, 2012

    http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/.....offer.html

    is going to have him at their convention, too.

    “Catholic opportunist”. Way to go, chickie.

  13. 14

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Yabut we gotta raise taxes on the wealthy.


    As a result, businesses now setting their budgets for the coming year have no idea how their investments — that is, their decisions on whether to expand or shrink their ambitions and their companies — will be taxed. Those interested in making new hires can only guess at the cost of providing their new employees with health insurance. Consumers also are left to make plans — Home purchase now or later? College now or later? Job switch now or later? — with no idea of what their political leaders have in store.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....6139.story

  14. 15

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Hell, fury, woman scorned.

    Way to go, chickie.

    Maybe it’s not just greed that makes you a conservative.

    I know, I know, I just can’t take a joke.

  15. 16

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (according to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    we gotta raise taxes on the wealthy.

    Yes we do. First rational thing you’ve written in weeks. Broken clock and all that…

  16. 18

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 17

    Rujax, snappy comeback!

    Godwin’s Law

    Lofgren likens the GOP to Germany’s Reichstag and observes that “legislating has now become war minus the shooting, something one could have observed 80 years ago in the Reichstag of the Weimar Republic.”

    and everything. I never would have predicted that. Never, not in a million years.

    Oh, and you’re apparently posting something a year old. Did you catch that?

  17. 23

    Gman spews:

    @7 – how about a friendly bet, no money. Your terms, give me some type of benchmark that you would expect Romney to achieve. Don’t be a Puffy Pussy.

  18. 24

    spews:

    http://crooksandliars.com/blue.....down-veep-

    August 28, 2012 06:00 AM

    Report: Chris Christie Turned Down Veep Slot Because He Thinks Romney’s Going to Lose

    By Blue Texan

    Governor Chris Christie is scheduled to deliver one of the most anticipated prime-time speeches at the GOP Convention tomorrow night. But apparently, he believes it’s all for naught.

    But Christie adamantly refused to sacrifice his post, believing that being Romney’s running mate wasn’t worth the gamble.

    “[Christie] felt, at one point, that [President] Obama could lose this. And, look, there still is that chance. But he knows, right now, you have to say it’s unlikely,” one source said.

    Rats deserting the sinking ship.

  19. 25

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Rush Limbaugh on the

    hurricane and the GOP Convention.

    This is also the man who demanded that Obama take personal responsibility for the drought in the midwest, the day after the President ordered major efforts in drought relief including trucking in large tankers of water for cattle ranchers.

    These people are insane.

  20. 27

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 23

    Pass.

    I’m pretty clear that I think Romney will perform better than Obama.

    As far as numbers, that didn’t do Christina Romer much good and she’s a numbers person. I distinctly remember Joe Biden claiming that 500K/mo job growth is right around the corner, which didn’t do his credibility any good, either. So I’ll pass there as well. Except I’ll venture that Romney gathers 269+ electoral votes. Best you’ll get from me.

  21. 29

    spews:

    http://news.firedoglake.com/20.....er-relief/

    Jindal Criticizes Obama for Not Delivering More Government Spending on Disaster Relief

    By: David Dayen Tuesday August 28, 2012 8:21 am

    The President spoke about an hour ago about the preparations for Hurricane Isaac (it has now graduated to hurricane force), asking residents to listen to their local officials and follow calls for evacuation should they arise. President Obama also signed a state of emergency declaration for Louisiana, which makes federal funding available for emergency efforts to deal with the storm.

    Fucking hypocrite.

  22. 30

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 25: Yep, they are insane. This morning on NPR they were interviewing a Republican delegate, who was lambasting the Democrates for extremism, hate, and refusal to compromise to the smallest degree.

    If I were there, I would have asked him if he had looked in the mirror lately. That pretty much describes the GOP over the last four years.

  23. 31

    rhp6033 spews:

    Oh, the Tampa strippers are preparing for a profitable convention. Reporters asked them if they really expected to get much business from the “family values” Republicans. But they said that more Republicans visit strip clubs during political party conventions than Democrates, and Republicans spend $150 per person on average at the strip clubs, wheras average Democratic spending is only $50.

    I would link to the P.I. article, but lately the P.I. has been running scripts which tend to freeze up the screen.

  24. 33

    spews:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....or-romney/

    Rove counting on ‘white Democrats’ to vote for Romney

    By David Edwards

    Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:43

    Republican strategist Karl Rove says that part of Mitt Romney’s plan to win the White House has to include getting “white Democrats” not to vote for President Barack Obama.

    B-b-b-b-b-but Republicans AREN’T RACIST!!!!

    They’renotThey’renotThey’renotThey’renotThey’renotThey’renot!!!!

  25. 34

    spews:

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2.....tio/189611

    Daily Caller Op-Ed Suggests Obama Administration Planning To Kill Every American Citizen

    Blog››› 1 hour and 52 minutes ago ››› TIMOTHY JOHNSON

    A recent opinion piece appearing in the Daily Caller which suggests that the federal government is purchasing large amounts of ammunition with the purpose of killing American citizens is so deranged that even the conspiracy-peddling National Rifle Association has debunked the claim.

    In the piece, which appears in Daily Caller’s Guns and Gear section, retired U.S. Army Major General Jerry Curry wrote that “[p]otentially each hollow nose bullet” purchased by the Social Security Administration for its law enforcement arm “represents a dead American.”

    He then asked, “If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the [Obama] Administration, not to the Constitution?”

    Tucker Carlson puts this drivel out.

    This is what passes for Republican Intelligence (an obvious oxymoron).

  26. 35

    Serial Conservative spews:

    From the Department of Stupidity Should Be Painful:


    Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death


    “She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....d=pl-share

    I believe the operative word, here, is ‘reasonable’.

    I think even Rujax knows enough not to kneel in front of an earthmover.

  27. 36

    spews:

    Rujax,

    The point of fair use is to allow you to selectively use other people’s intellectual property in support of your own material. A 10:1 ratio of copied material to your own words is not consistent with that idea.

  28. 37

    spews:

    It’s the right wing way:

    A group of employees who feared they’d be fired if they didn’t attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.

    Moore told Blomquist that managers “communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend.” He said the company did not penalize no-shows.

    Because the company’s mine had to be shut down for “safety and security” reasons during Romney’s visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn’t let companies pay workers to attend political events.

    http://www.cleveland.com/open/....._mitt.html

    Support a right wing candidate, create a photo-op, screw the workers!

  29. 39

    Serial Conservative spews:

    The court majority wrote that the photo ID ballot question “is not so unreasonable and misleading” that it should be taken off the ballot. The justices said striking the question from the ballot would have been “unprecedented relief” and that the voters will be “the sole judge of the wisdom of such matters.”

    http://www.kare11.com/news/art.....ID-lawsuit

    Guess what issue gets to go to the voters in MN this year?

    Urgent efforts to prevent the issue from being decided at the ballot box. Unsuccessful efforts, fortunately.

    MN also will be a state deciding how to define marriage this Fall. I’m decidedly less thrilled about that one.

  30. 40

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 37

    Whoever said nobody puts a gun to your head to support the GOTP, is lying.

    Extortion and blackmail are the method of the Mafia. So the GOTP is just another mafiosi organization. We knew this. The bankers held a gun to Congress’ head in 2007 and threatened to pull the trigger on the economy unless they were handed trillions of dollars straight out of the US Treasury, and George Bush made it happen. And yet, they pulled the trigger anyway. We know who he was working for, and he was the man with the gun in his hand.

    I wonder how much money he put into his foreign bank accounts during his Presidency, and what were the sources of that? Certainly the Saudis and the Kuwaiti royal families. Obviously the Koch Brothers and their bankers in Switzerland, Monaco and Lichtenstein. The Oligarchs need this election, and I’m not so sure they’ll hold anything back.

  31. 41

    spews:

    According to these handy bunch of charts:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....aphic.html

    9 in 10 Republicans are white.. Is this a party that makes reaching out to a changing demographic any sort of significant priority?

    No, it’s a party of white privilege that is inexorably shrinking demographically. This process has transformed it to ugly echo chamber of lies and hate that clings to power at any cost.

    It’s a hoot to watch their convention and pick out the handful of people of color in their midst.

    This is their last shot.. If we defeat them here, they won’t come back. Then there’s the problem of the Vichy Dems to deal with..

    But if the Republicans somehow win the trifecta we won’t be rid of them for a generation.

  32. 42

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 40

    1. 2008, not 2007.
    2. The government held a gun to the head of Ken Lewis and forced BofA to complete a takeover of Merrill Lynch that it otherwise would have walked away from.
    3. The government took large stakes in financial institutions, including AIG and Citicorp, in exchange for bailing them out. The government will realize a profit from investments in both of these companies.
    4. Both houses of Congress were Democratic. Yes, Bush signed the bill but it would not have reached his desk had not two Democrat-majority congressional bodies first passed it.

    I take it, Deathfrogg, that you are not looking to be hired in the financial sector.

  33. 43

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 41

    But if the Republicans somehow win the trifecta we won’t be rid of them for a generation.

    Last time there was a GOP trifecta how long did it last?

    Dems had a trifecta in 2009. How long did it last?

    If you wish to be taken seriously, post seriously.

  34. 44

    Deathfrogg spews:

    I take it, Deathfrogg, that you are not looking to be hired in the financial sector.

    Nope, I’m not a thief.

  35. 45

    Gman spews:

    @27 Bob, so your level of confidence with Mitt Romney must not be that high. You know the economy will not be Amy better under him, otherwise you would back it up with some type of benchmark, disappointing, actually sounds like Mitt will disappoint you. You should be able to venture to guess how many jobs will be created after his first year or second. My wager not much better than Obama or worse if they go the with an austerity plan. Unemployement won’t go below 7% before his second or even his third term.

  36. 46

    Gman spews:

    My guess is that Romney will do everything that Obama is doing to revive the economy and more of the same things that Obama has been criticized for. Republicans will become the biggest hypocrites and with a big social agenda, after all that is their main goal, social agenda nothing more

  37. 47

    Gman spews:

    @31 the republicans have no family values they just expect everyone but themselves to have them. Fucking hypocrites.

  38. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “America’s biggest financial companies have an aggressive agenda of reforms they hope to see adopted by Mitt Romney ….

    “But many on Wall Street aren’t expecting to hear much about this agenda from Republicans at the convention in Tampa. ‘There’s a lot of sympathy in the industry with the campaign’s efforts to avoid having Romney tagged as a big-business, big-bank guy,’ one person at a Wall Street firm explained. …

    “In conversations with 11 senior people at several different financial firms, including large banks and hedge funds, a picture emerged of a financial sector that believes Romney supports many of the political issues important to Wall Street, while it also understands that the campaign is unlikely to focus on these issues.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48814815

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: So here’s what we know. Wall Street wants Romney to win. Wall Street has an aggressive agenda if he does win. But neither Wall Street nor Romney nor the GOP want to talk about that agenda, because they don’t want voters to “focus” on it. Does this sound like a party and a candidate you want to vote for?

  39. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I don’t know about you, but I’ve had enough of the Wall Street’s and Republicans’ hidden agendas.

  40. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 Murray Energy is this outfit:

    “Murray and his companies received national attention in August 2007 when six miners were trapped at the Crandall Canyon Mine in Utah …. He says … the safety violations were trivial …. However, some news agencies reported troubling violations at … Murray’s operations …. CNN specifically cited Murray’s Illinois Galatia mine, which had almost 3,500 safety citations in the prior two and a half years.

    “Murray claims that the Crandall Canyon Mine collapse was triggered by a 3.9 magnitude earthquake, while government seismologists say the mine collapse was the cause of a coal mine bump. Richard E. Stickler, the government’s top mine safety official said ‘It was not — and I repeat, it was not — a natural occurring earthquake.’ … Although the … practice of retreat mining is believed by some observers to be a cause of the mine’s 2007 collapse, Murray insists the process was not responsible. On July 24, 2008, the … Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) announced its highest penalty for coal mine safety violations, $1.85 million, for the collapse.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Murray

  41. 54

    Gman spews:

    No takers on any wagers. Sad…they have so much to say and spew, but they can’t even set one benchmark of their famed asshole.

  42. 61

    spews:

    It appears Dullard (R-Money) believes in stimulus after all..

    Regardless, in the last few weeks, it has become clear that Romney has changed his tax plan. He also now appears to be significantly less concerned with near-term debt reduction than he was a year ago.

    Romney’s new tax plan, according to MittRomney.com, calls for the following:

    Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates

    There is also no more mention of eliminating loopholes or deductions.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.....sco-2012-5

    So he’s going to raise spending – spending on TAX EXPENDITURES!

    Uhhh right wing dopes? What happened to the concern with debt?

    No worries. Business Insider makes the point that the party in power is NEVER concerned with debt and deficits.

    Hope for a filibuster-proof trifecta this fall right wingers.

  43. 62

    spews:

    Dullard’s economic advisers are also dropping hints about the monetary tricks they’d like to play.

    And Mankiw has expressed an interest in those less-traditional policies as well. In another piece, he cheekily suggested implementing a 10 percent negative interest rate on cash by invalidating all paper currency whose serial numbers have a certain final digit. The effect would be that 10 percent of all money would be wiped out, spurring people to spend it or keep it in banks that offer higher, but still negative, returns. In a follow-up post, he argued that a negative interest rate of about 1 percent is appropriate.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.....kiw-2012-8

    Just shoveling more money to rich people isn’t going to do anything without demand. So Dullard’s people are seriously considering forcing the hand of rich people to get their money from under the mattresses.

    It’s that supply creates its own demand kind of dogma.

  44. 63

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 34: I’m still trying to get a handle on the claim that the Social Security has an armed law-enforcement arm. Anyone who believes that is utterly delusional.

  45. 66

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 64: Note that:

    * this is in Texas, where by legend women are supposed to grow up shooting as well as their men-folk.

    * Why would you shoot a skunk? Anybody here ever smelled a dead skunk? The best you can hope for is to lure them far away from your property.

    * As for the target, I tend to believe Roger. “Honest, officer, I was just trying to shoot that lying, cheating, no-good skunk”. The officer, being somewhat sympathetic, may have chosen to abbreviate her comments in his report.

  46. 68

    spews:

    35. Serial Conservative spews:
    From the Department of Stupidity Should Be Painful:

    Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death

    “She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....d=pl-share

    I believe the operative word, here, is ‘reasonable’.

    I think even Rujax knows enough not to kneel in front of an earthmover.

    08/28/2012 AT 10:50 AM

    Thank god Caterpillar makes a gene-pool cleaning device.

  47. 69

    spews:

    35. Serial Conservative spews:

    From the Department of Stupidity Should Be Painful:

    Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death

    “She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....d=pl-share

    I believe the operative word, here, is ‘reasonable’.

    I think even Rujax knows enough not to kneel in front of an earthmover.

    08/28/2012 at 10:50 am

    “Bob”.

    The compassionate motherfucker.

    Let’s see h

  48. 70

    spews:

    35. Serial Conservative spews:

    From the Department of Stupidity Should Be Painful:

    Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death

    “She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....d=pl-share

    I believe the operative word, here, is ‘reasonable’.

    I think even Rujax knows enough not to kneel in front of an earthmover.

    08/28/2012 at 10:50 am

    “Bob”.

    The compassionate motherfucker.

    Let’s see h

  49. 71

    spews:

    35. Serial Conservative spews:

    From the Department of Stupidity Should Be Painful:

    Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death

    “She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....d=pl-share

    I believe the operative word, here, is ‘reasonable’.

    I think even Rujax knows enough not to kneel in front of an earthmover.

    08/28/2012 at 10:50 am

    “Bob”.

    The compassionate motherfucker.

    Let’s see h