Open thread

Vice President Dick Cheney will have his pacemaker battery replaced on Saturday. To replace the battery, the entire pacemaker must be removed, requiring minor surgery.

Under the terms of the 25th Amendment, President George Bush will temporarily assume command while Cheney is under anesthesia.

Comments

  1. 2

    GBS spews:

    With the rule of law and with it democracy itself in the balance as we know it, this is no time for congress to be going on summer recess.

    Gonzales is lying to cover up high crimes and treason in the White House.

    With overdue spending bills coming to the floor, it’s high time for the Dem’s to shut down the government, except for the most essential of services, and force a constitutional showdown with the radical conservative movement that has hi-jacked American politics.

    A plurality of Americans realizes that crimes, treason, and the assault on the constitution are being directed from the Oval office. It’s time to put an end to the ideological driven zealots from the helm of liberty and return the usurped executive powers top where it belongs: with congress. The Unitarian executive and the concentration of power in the hands of one man are exactly what our Founding Fathers, and subsequent patriots, have warned us about.

    If Speaker Pelosi does not abandon her misguided policy of taking Impeachment off the table, then she is just as culpable for not enforcing the rule of law and the powers granted to congress, then George W. Bush is for breaking those same laws and usurping power.

  2. 3

    My Left Foot spews:

    ROFLMAO!!!

    How is Bush going to choose his tie and which bathroom to use?

    Perhaps Gonzo will go to the hospital to see Cheney and get the answers for him. He has done it before.

  3. 4

    GBS spews:

    Romney: Americans angry with Iraq war
    Says current mismanagement won’t lead voters to replace Bush with Dem
    Campaigning in Iowa, the former Massachusetts governor also argued that despite the nation’s frustration over the war, voters aren’t ready to replace President Bush with a Democrat. (**snicker, snicker**)

    I know the Democrats are getting all ready, they are measuring the drapes and getting the carpet all ready for how they are going to take over the White House, and I think they are going to get a big surprise,” Romney told a crowd . . .

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19999588/
    Sounds like the same rhetoric “chatter” from the 2006 elections. We all know how that story ended.

    President-elect Gore, how long and what color would you like the drapes in the Oval Office?

  4. 5

    SeattleJew spews:

    @2 GBS

    Hmmm ….

    so during this shutdown of yours, we would:

    1. close all airports
    2. suspend all research
    3. remove our troops form S. Korea,
    4. Close all national park
    5. cease inspecting food
    6. stop printing money
    7. ???

    Lets just start by impeaching gonzo and assume the rigid right will get the message.

  5. 6

    GBS spews:

    The tradition of treating our enemies humanely began with George Washington. He famously ordered his troops to treat the surrendering Hessian troops humanely, to quarter them, to feed them, and to treat their wounds. Even though their paymasters were the greatest military on earth; the Royal British Army.

    Washington said “Let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British army.”

    War is the application of extreme violence in an unremorseful manners to be sure, but the difference between al Qeada and pre 9/11 America is how we treated prisoners once they were off the field of battle.

    We are a nation of laws and not men. To uphold democracy and follow the rules of law means we will, at all times, be required to fight with one hand tied behind our backs. Rest assured, however, to do so always gives us the upper hand in any battle and the humbleness to win with honor.

    Conservatives may want America to operate more like al Qeada, but Liberals do NOT share the same fear-driven, anti-American principles of the Conservative agenda. Liberals defend and honor the wisdom and traditions set forth by our Founding Fathers, our first Commander-in-Chief, and later in the War of 1812, our political leaders who did not abandon the Bill of Rights even though the British were burning down the White House. They stood tall, and courageously did not deviate from the blessings of Liberty in the face of destruction.

    Conservatives today cannot say the same of their character. Theirs are not derived from the mold of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams like Liberals.

    Theirs is born from the likes of Joseph McCarthy, Strom Thurmond, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham; Men of questionable honorable and integrity, and above all, loyalty to power and each other rather than the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

    This is what defines contemporary Conservatives.

    Copying the brutal example of al Qeada is simply not in the spirit of being a true American.

  6. 7

    GBS spews:

    Seattle Jew @ 5:

    The most essential of government services. Impeachment has one very serious drawback and that is the evenly divided senate.

    Consider for a moment that the Republicans do the predictable thing: vote no for conviction in spite of compelling evidence to the contrary.

    Gonzo will be exonerated, along with Bush and the rule of law, as we know it, forever changed.

    What’s more important: preserving the very fabric of American democracy, or the shutting down of our government? Similar to what happened in 1995 when President Clinton refused to sign on Newt’s flawed federal budget bills and the government slowed way down. To some degree it did come to a halt. The world didn’t end and we were the better for it.

    We simply cannot go on summer vacation while our fellow citizens are dying in Iraq based on a lie, and at the same time nothing less than our freedoms are at stake. Besides, Gonzo would resign in August and Bush would simply make a recess appointment that will last until just days before the end of his presidency. NO ONE will want to pursue Gonzo if he resigns. But if Bush cannot make a recess appointment for a new AG, then that makes the option of resignation less likely as that would invite the spectacle of a very contentious senate confirmation hearing.

    Am I way off the mark?

  7. 8

    Another TJ spews:

    Goldy,

    You’ll be happy to know that Keith Olbermann just opened Countdown with your joke. Great minds…

  8. 9

    ArtFart spews:

    6 GBS, I agree with you wholeheartedly except that this crop of “conservatives” have no real loyalty to each other, except that it suits them to hunt their prey like a pack of jackals or a flock of buzzards–in other words, as long as each believes it feeds his or her own desires.

    Assuming, God forbid, that they manage to carry out their craven plans to their ultimate conclusion, after they’ve raped and slaughtered Lady Liberty and torn the flesh from her bones, they’ll kill each other off fighting over the last few scraps.

  9. 10

    SeattleJew spews:

    @7

    1. Clinton’s brief respite is very different from what GBS is suggesting.
    2. I doubt that many Publican’s would want to take the blame for Gonzo,
    3. The issue here is the same as the issue in attacking Iran … how? Impeachment is like a nuclear bomb, big bang, real scary and no one knows what happens next.

    I suspect that OGL (our great leaders) are following a very well thought out strategy of gradual erosion of Bushite authority. The goal, my guess, is to get to Nov 08 with 75% of Merica committed to throwing the bums out. This could cause an epochal chnege not only on Penn Ave but in the Congress.

    THEN, when lil Bush is no longer in government, we can try the fucker in normal court!

  10. 11

    ArtFart spews:

    10 I think you’re absolutely right…the Democratic leadership (and some of the few remaining honest Republicans) may be playing exactly that game, to stir the shit so it stinks the most right before the election, so as to rely on the voters going to the polls “mad as hell, and not willing to take it anymore”.

    There are two flies in the ointment here. One is that this strategy writes off doing anything meaningful to stop the war before then. The other is that it’s based on the assumption that an election will be allowed to occur in November ’08, and that the votes will be allowed to be fairly and accurately counted. The Dems are still assuming they’re just dealing with politicians, whereas the neocons are actually desperate, ruthless criminals, who know damn well that if they lose power they’ll be held accountable for all the horrible things they’ve already done. Consequently, they’ll stop at nothing to prevent that from happening.

  11. 12

    Mark The Redneck Goldstein spews:

    This guy pretty well nails what’s wrong with the education system. In fact, this article exposes just how bad it is, and pins him as the perfect poster child for everything that’s wrong. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ols27.html

    First, notice how he refuses to understand the difference between “privilege” and working your ass off every day for a few decades. Apparently Mr. Burbank believes that The Producers are just “lucky”….just the random winners in life’s lottery. He is apparently not familiar with the causal relationship between education and effort, and life success.

    Then he goes on to expose his fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of education. No, Mr. Burbank, schools are not “gathering places for democracy”. They are places to learn. Democracy has no place in a school.

    He goes on to perpetuate the myth that more money magically fixes all problems, and that somehow The Producers should have more of THEIR MONEY extracted from their wallets to give to the bad choice crowd. I do a community education outreach program that has put me in about 100 schools in the Puget Sound area. I’ve seen more schools from the inside than any “education professional” in the state, and done so in an actual teaching situation. I’ve seen the very worst (MLK Elem) to the very best (where gates sends his kids) and everything in between. I can tell you from first hand experience that it ain’t money that makes a school successful; it’s the attitude of the students and the family and the microculture of the school community.

    As a good librul he takes a swipe at those who put their kids in private school and wants to steal even more of their parents hard earned money to redistribute in true Marxist style.

    I checked out this useful idiot and found (not surprisingly) that he’s a proud graduate of Evergreen State College. http://www.eoionline.org/staff.htm He got a Producer paid tuition subsidy of 80% where he was brainwashed with librul drivel that is known by all intelligent people to be false.

    This guy stands as a testament to the failings of the education system in this state. It’s time for The People to take back the education system from the marxists, the stoopid fucking women, and from those whose ignorance masquerades as arrogance.

  12. 13

    Mark The Redneck Goldstein spews:

    Here’s a great piece of work in 7_27_07 seattle times:

    Editor, The Times:

    I decided to go back to the workplace, but only if I could reduce my carbon footprint. I found a job listing at Community Transit, applied for it and was asked into an interview. Sounds great so far!

    Since I would be interviewing with a transit bus company, I thought, Cool — I can walk aboard the Kingston-Edmonds ferry, and catch a Community Transit bus to the interview at their headquarters. Boy, was I mistaken.

    Where it takes only one and a quarter hours to get from the Edmonds ferry to downtown Bellevue on the bus, it takes two hours to go to Paine Field in Everett (about half the mileage as to Bellevue). Not only did it take more than two hours to go there, there were also eight transfers.

    So much for looking to reduce my carbon footprint; I would actually spend more time and gas commuting to Community Transit than to downtown Bellevue. It was also suggested by an employee of Community Transit that I drive, since there were so many bus transfers.

    What is wrong here?

    — Diane Naber, Kingston

    Huh? You decide to work, but only if you can reduce your “carbon footprint”? WTF? How ’bout paying the fucking bills? Or because you want to create something of value in the world to make your otherwise miserable life mean something.

    You girls wonder why men don’t take you seriously in the office. This is a perfect example of why… because YOU are not serious about it. That’s why you get ignored. That’s why you get the shit jobs. That’s why you don’t move ahead. You’re worth about half as much as a man, yet you get 75% pay. You should take the 25 cent premium and STFU.

  13. 15

    Broadway Joe spews:

    If you like, Goldy, I could hook you up with a local comedy club owner, maybe you could get a set at her place……

    OK, I may have opined about this before, but I have a bone to pick with GBS on the deinition of conservatism. What we’re seeing out there with the Bush Crime Family ain’t what I was taught in US history in high school. I don’t even know if the recent subdivisions of the recent past (neo-, paleo-, theo-, et al), fully apply to the current adminstrations policies. They may in certain parts, but the overlying priority seems to be the ruthless acquisition of money and power at all costs. No Conservative in his right mind would really allow such things to happen, lest he completely turn his back on his ethics and principles.

    What we have is not Conservatism, but Corporate Authoritarianism. You could call it Fascism if you want, but I don’t feel it would be wholly accurate. In many ways, it does not reach the utter depravity of Fascism, though in others, it exceeds past examples of Facsism. allow me to elaborate a little.

    For example, while much was said during the 2004 election cycle about Cheney’s ties to Halliburton, little if nothing was said about Bush’s own ties, no, his own past as an oilman. In retrospect, with oilmen in the White House, was it not inevitable that the price of gas in this country would triple in just six years? Corporate Authoritarianists can point to 9/11 and the subsequent War On Terror, and the subsequent upsurge in instability in the region since then for the increase, but is it truth, or just fortunate window dressing?

    The current administration’s clear contempt for any sort of long-range thinking is another sign of CA. Any questions are swept under the rug by ‘The Decider’ who actually believes that he is God’s instrument for change. With it having been previously noted that Bush is a believer in the Rapture variation known as pre-millenialism, a belief created by a 19th-century evangelical Baptist minister in England who ‘interpreted’ the ‘visions’ of an insane Scottish girl while working in a sanitorium, this belief is also likely used as window dressing for CA. You could boil it down into this: Since the Rapture’s coming soon, who cares if anyone that isn’t born-again is hurt? Useful little bit of trivia for hiding true purpose, isn’t it?

    Of course, there is no Rapture. There is no one left to come to this administration’s aid. The lies have been revealed, all that is left is to remove this administration from power, either through impeachment, or via the impending election cycle. Then the prosecution of the Bush Crime Family by the next adminstration can happen, although Bush and his followers will likely flee into exile before they can be apprehended by lawful authorites.

    This administration isn’t conservative. Instead, it uses a twisted perversion of principles and unrelenting manipulation to undermine freedom in the names of profit and power. Denial of human rights. Denial of freedom. These are things that no true Conservative would allow.

    And those who defend this this reckless, feckless administration are no better. And in the final math, no less guilty.

  14. 17

    spews:

    MTR – Feeling lonely? Want some attention? Look for it somewhere else.

    Pay your fucking gambling debt, welsher.

    Then GTFO – you burnt your bridge here long ago, deadbeat.

  15. 18

    spews:

    Communicating on a grassroots level through blogging is a beautiful thing that the internet makes possible to anyone. What I have been doing in my spare time is something akin to the mass mailings I used to do in AZ to pump up business and create buzz. Except now, it’s about defeating Dave Reichert in the upcoming election.

    What I’m doing is collecting all the local blog addresses in my immediate area. (People who take the time to blog are generally the thinkers and communicators in their immediate social sphere.) The next time Dave Reichert uses his franking priviliges to send out blatant campaign propaganda for himself, I’m sending a comment/message to every blogger that I can find in my town. You can make a cyber-difference in your own backyard!

    From what I know of direct marketing (which is quite a bit more than the average person — because my economic life depended on it for 15 years), this gambit will bypass all established media and create an immediate negative buzz for Reichert.

    “Try it! You’ll like it!”

  16. 21

    michael spews:

    @12

    The Evergreen State College was founded by Daniel J. Evans(R). Evans, also served as the colleges president from 1977 to 1983 .

    Jessica Maynard president of Washington State College Republicans (around 2000-2001) was an Evergreen student.

  17. 22

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Let’s see – if WHATADICK Cheney were a Dem, we’d be hearing the inbred, right wing troll fucks hoping for electrical failures.

  18. 23

    spews:

    I’m just thinking ‘Dick’ should take personal responsibility for this operation and pay for it himself.

    I am not, however, holding my breath.

    Think I’ll go gather more Issaquah blog addresses for my Community Reichert Education Project. There’s, like, 13,000 of ‘em, so I gotta be selective.

  19. 25

    K spews:

    MTR @ 13-

    THis letter seems a bit suspect, to say the least. Community Transit is the Snohomish County transit agency. Last I checked, Bellevue is in King County. Per their web site:

    The corporation’s headquarters and mailing address
    425/348-7100
    7100 Hardeson Road
    Everett, WA 98203

    I guess if you don’t have your own lies, you use someone elses.

  20. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 Pay your gambling debt, welsher. Until you do, your opinions are irrelevant.

  21. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 Kinda looks to me like working is optional for her (but apparently not for you). Ms. Naber has achieved the same nirvana I have: Why work?

    In fact, why the fuck should ANYONE work? What incentives are there to work? All the economic output, tax breaks, and subsidies goes to the owners of capital, while wage-earners get screwed right and left. There are so many disincentives against working built into our so-called capitalist system that it’s surprising anyone lifts a finger to do anything. Republicans sure don’t! The whole point of being a Republican is to live off other people’s labor so they don’t have to do any work! And, of course, if you are a member of the Owning Class, you pay peanuts in taxes, too.

    Here’s what you get for working in America circa 2007:

    1) Less money than managers, investors, or heirs;
    2) Higher tax rates than anyone else;
    3) No tax deductions for work expenses;
    4) No yachts, private jets, or expense accounts;
    5) No job security;
    6) Disappearing employer-provided health care;
    7) Pension defaults and bankruptcies;
    8) Decreasing real pay.

    So why the fuck should anyone work? I don’t. And I won’t! Not until the terms and conditions of working are substantially renegotiated. And why should I produce anything? Republicans don’t. I say, what’s good enough for Republicans, is good enough for Roger Rabbit!

  22. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @28 P.S., thanks for buying my gas, Redneck! All my oil stocks are now over $100 a share. I bought them for less than half that. NOV is now over $120 a share! If Mr. Cynical had bought it at $58 like I told him to, he wouldn’t have to work either. BTW, where is Mr. Cynical? We haven’t heard from him in ages. Did Mrs. C murder him, cut him up with a chainsaw in the bathtub, and feed him to the sand sharks? Pay your fucking gambling debt.

  23. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @15 The Democrats are now America’s conservative party.

    GOP = party of Big Government, Big Brother, Big Spending, and Big Deficits

  24. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 So we can assume your parents paid your way to four alleged college degrees, at non-subsidized private schools? Because you sure as hell didn’t.

  25. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Not unless you were “earning” your tuition by operating internet porn sites.

  26. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Show me a wingnut who claims to have paid his own way through college and I’ll show you his rich daddy’s checkbook.

  27. 36

    klake spews:

    So as of this moment I am imposing new policies regarding comment thread moderation. The following type of comments will no longer be tolerated:

    • Blatant sock puppetry.

    Socket puppetry is an offense that is posting under multiple identities using one to support to support the other. When using Goggle searching about socket puppetry the following information is displayed:

    HorsesAss.Org» The straight poop on WA politics & the press
    Category: Regional > North America > … > Society and Culture > Politics
    An (almost) daily blog on state politics and the press.
    http://www.horsesass.org/ – Jul 25, 2007

    Question for Goldy does that mean that HorsesAss. Org is guilty of practicing this (socket puppetry) on a daily bases. Who is the guilty parties, Headless Lucy, Roger Rabbit, Will, Goldy, Dan Rather, YLB, K, Proud To Be An Ass, RightEqualsStupid, SeattleJew, ArtFart and John Barelli ? Next question if you were to do a search on “propaganda” would your site come up as HorsesAss.org the daily blog on enlightenment, propaganda on state politics and the press?

    • Large chunks of cut-and-paste from copyrighted works or other blogs and comment threads.
    Seattle Times:
    The state’s new domestic partnership law, which went into effect Sunday, gives gay and lesbian couples some of the rights granted to married couples, including the right to visit a partner in the hospital, inherit a partner’s property without a will and make funeral arrangements.
    To qualify, the couples must file an affidavit of domestic partnership with the Secretary of State’s Office. The state then gives them a certificate with a state seal, and plastic cards that say “State registered domestic partnership” and lists their names. On the back it cites the chapter where the law can be viewed.
    But not everybody is happy:
    Gary Randall, president of the Faith and Freedom Network, a Christian political organization, said last week that his group has no plans to demonstrate today, but that doesn’t mean it approves of the new law.
    “I’m disappointed, and I don’t think it should be happening,” said Randall, who considers the law a steppingstone to gay marriage. “I think it deteriorates society. Over time it takes away from what is the most important cornerstone of society, and that’s marriage between a man and woman.”

    Will is this the acceptably amount of cut and paste from other source in order to keep from being deleted from this blog or reframed from making any entries?

    • Deliberately repetitive comments, particularly those intended to repeat and a reinforce slander that has already been sufficiently debunked..

    1. Roger Rabbit says:
    Ward’s clarion call for Republicans to support a transportation package is kind of ironic considering that we got where we are in part because of 10 years of GOP obstruction of ANY transportation investment while they controlled the state senate. What finally broke the transportation logjam in this state was eliminating the Republican majority in the state senate. Once that was done, it took the Democratic legislative majorities and the Democratic governor only a few weeks to get the ball rolling on defining the region’s top transportation priorities, funding them, and taking the first steps toward construction.
    07/27/2007 at 8:21 pm

    2. Roger Rabbit says:
    You want to get something done, you gotta hire Democrats to do it!
    Republicans = No Tax! – No Way! – No How! obstructionists.
    07/27/2007 at 8:22 pm

    3. Roger Rabbit says:
    However, I will vote against this fall’s Sound Transit/RTID package for several reasons:
    1) Too many taxes on people who don’t commute (e.g., senior citizens on fixed incomes), not enough user fees (e.g., gas taxes, tolls);
    2) Too much gold-plating of big-ticket projects (e.g., 520 bridge);
    3) Incomplete funding (e.g., this tax package is only a down payment, and they will be back later for more).
    As I’ve been saying all along, the transportation planners should focus on essential core projects, build them as economically as possible, and get the money from the people who will use the transportation infrastructure and can afford to pay for it.
    07/27/2007 at 8:27 pm

    Will does this deliberately repetitive comments, particularly those intended to repeat and a reinforce slander that has already been sufficiently debunked apply above to this subject matter.

    • Deliberately off-topic comments (except in “open threads”), as well as pointless comments on these comments..

    by Goldy, 07/27/2007, 12:32 PM
    I was out of the house for most of the day, and came home the next morning to find my cat at the back door, wheezing, gagging, foaming at the mouth, and clearly in a great deal of physical distress. He had been perfectly healthy the day before, so my first thought was that he had suffered some sort of catastrophic injury or poisoning in my absence.
    I tried to examine him as best I could, despite his protestations, and noticed a small piece of grass sticking out of his nose. Several claw wounds later I grabbed the grass and yanked, ending up with a seven-inch blade between my fingers and a suddenly symptom-free cat in my bloodied arms. I’m guessing my cat must have been eating grass when he somehow sneezed or coughed up the blade, lodging it in his nose and throat.

    1.
    headless lucy says:
    re 7: So, you’re saying that Dick Cheney should quit using the taxpayers dime to patch up his damaged body that he got from doing all those things you just mentioned?
    Maybe he should take some personal responsibility for his own health problems instead of wasting our tax dollars on a life he clearly doesn’t value much.
    07/27/2007 at 2:55 pm

    Goldy does this fall into off-topic comments “except in open threads” as well as pointless comments on these comments?

    OH I FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Roger is the Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda for the Socialist Democrats Party today just like Paul Joseph Goebbels was in Hitler Germany. His Nazi friends taught him the trade when he visited them in jail .

  28. 40

    klake spews:

    • Large chunks of cut-and-paste from copyrighted works or other blogs and comment threads.

    This website and blog, and all text and photographs contained herein are Copyright Michael Yon 2007. Any reproduction without authorization will be considered copyright infringement and will be pursued. You may link to this site and excerpt no more than 75 words of one dispatch for identification purposes. Any affiliation, beyond the aforementioned linking and excerpt, of Michael Yon or this website with another website, individual, company or organization will be considered in violation of Michael Yon’s rights unless expressly authorized.

    http://www.michaelyon-online.c.....-inquiries

    Will would this be more acceptably amount of cut and paste from other source in order to keep from being deleted from this blog or reframed from making any entries?

  29. 41

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Bush family friend Osama bin Laden reminds me of Bush family friend Adolf Hitler. Prescott didn’t do anything to slow down Hitler and so far, Monkeyface Bush Jr. hasn’t done anything to slow down Osama.

    In the middle east, they make fun of America because Bush can’t catch Osama. He emboldens our enemy by his utter incompetence.

    Don’t get excited Flakey Klakey – I didn’t say Incontinence.

  30. 42

    michael spews:

    @28

    I worked in my garden today, it’s producing great sugar-snap peas and raspberries at the moment. In the evening I went fishing which produced about 3 days worth of protein in the form of a silver (Coho) salmon.

    Don’t worry, I got rid my .22 about a year ago no more rabbit protein for me.

  31. 43

    K spews:

    Poor silly Klake- can you respond to a sentence with accompanying citation?

    And you can take your sock and….. whatever.

    I am me and have seen no other hijacking mine.

  32. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @36 This is a liberal blog. The webmaster and moderators discriminate against unpatriotic, troop-hating, anti-American, pigfucking fascists like you. If you don’t like it, find another blog, or call 1-900-SUCK-ROG.*

    * $19.95 per minute + hidden charges. All proceeds go directly to the Help Roger Rabbit Live Like A Republican Fund.

  33. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @36 (continued) Oh yeah, one more thing, the title of this topic is “Open Thread.”

  34. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @42 So what did my relatives taste like? Just wondering, in case I ever get caught in a leg hold trap and have to chew my leg off, or something like that.

  35. 50

    Broadway Joe spews:

    35:

    Actually, there is some truth to it. Saudi money has been financing the Sunni insurgency just as much as Iranian money has been financing the Shi’ite militias. Ironic, but somewhat sensible (to the Saudis) to keep unrest in Iraq going, since a united Iraq under Saddam would’ve cooked the House of Saud’s bacon (proverbially speaking of course, because pork is taboo in Islam) in ’91 if the Royal Family didn’t call 1-800-GHW-BUSH to save their asses.

    The Saudis are in the uncomfortable position of being on our side in the War on Terr’r, while money is going across the border (some of which can almost be certainly traced back to members of the extended Royal Family) along with men to fight the enemies of Islam as decreed by the ultra-conservative Wahhabi clerics that the Royal Family is in symbiosis with. This explains why Saudi attempts to stop these flows of men and money have been kind of half-hearted. By trying to stop this, they are actually undermining and threatening their own political and religious authority.