Open thread 7-30-05

Ooops. Here’s your weekly litter box, a few hours late.


  1. 5

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    US Supreme Court Justice Souter’s vote in the controversial Kelo vs. City of New London. decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another “if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economics benefits when the land is developed by the new owner”.

    On Monday, June 27th, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany, the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, NH seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Rd. This is the present location of Justice Souter’s HOUSE!!!

    The proposed development by Clements on what is currently Souter’s residence is called “The Lost LIberty Hotel” and will feature the “Just Desserts Cafe”.

    Clements effort to persuade the officials of the City of Weare to turn the tables on Justice Souter by seizing Souter’s house and building a hotel on the site is gaining steam. Clements has received hundreds of e-mails from fellow citizens to help finance the construction and thousands of room reservation requests.

    All Clements has to do now is convince 3 of the 5 member Town Board of Selectmen to use the “power of eminent domain” to take this land from Justice Souter so Clements can begin his hotel development….on Souter’s FORMER residence.

    Ain’t this priceless.

    The 5 Supreme Court Justices who voted to allow this to happen to Souter are Ginsberg, Breyer, Stevens, Kennedy and SOuter himself!!!

    Thomas, O’Connor, Rehnquist and Scalia dissented. In her dissenting opinion, O’Connor stated:
    “Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms”.

    So you shitferbrains LEFTIST PINHEADS….your Supreme Court Justice heroes are for big corporations & developers in their gutting of property rights. BEAUTIFUL!!!!

    How would a hotel look where your home currently is Goldy???
    What if someone with billions decided to fuck with you just for the hell of it Goldy?? He could legally tie you up in the Court process, bankrupt you and then take your property.

    This is obscene. LEFTIST PINHEADS are a bunch of dinks!

  2. 6

    Dr. E spews:

    Calm down for a second, Mr. C. Before you go supposing that liberals “are for big corporations & developers in their gutting of property rights” (which is what you imply), which I take to mean that, conversely, conservatives would oppose the same, let’s consider a piece of evidence to the contrary.

    There was a case in 1990 whereby the Texas Rangers acquired additional land for the construction of the Ball Park at Arlington through eminent domain. The Arlington Sports Facilities Development Authority had been set up by the city, and, with the help of the city and state, given powers of eminent domain. These powers were used to seize land for the ballpark by condemning those lands after an “acceptable” offer (which was intentionally made at far below market rates) to purchase them was rejected by the land’s owners.

    The man who helped the ASFDA acquire powers of eminent domain was one of the Rangers’ managing general partners at the time, a well-connected man named George W. Bush.

    There are many, many articles out there that provide details:;oe=UTF-8

  3. 8

    marks spews:

    Dr. E @6

    which I take to mean that, conversely, conservatives would oppose the same, let’s consider a piece of evidence to the contrary.

    A couple of observations:

    1) In Kelo vs New London, the five justices voting in favor of the city and against property rights were what most reasonable people could label as the Liberal wing, while the dissenting justices were largely considered the Conservative wing.

    2) GWB was part of a business concern (antitrust aside). If the government can be used to advance the prospects of your business endeavor, would you not use it?

    3) GWB was not in government at the time, and in no way had any effect on the laws used to create the Ballpark in Arlington. On the other hand, a SCOTUS justice has a huge effect on the interpretation of those laws…

    4) The Ballpark in Arlington, despite being created in a horrid trampling of the property rights of the citizenry, is really a great place to go watch a ballgame. The only drawback is the Texas heat, of course. Oh, a second drawback is that the home team is the Texas Rangers, considered by many to be the NYY farm team…

  4. 9

    NoWonder spews:

    Dr. E
    I think we are all amazed that is was the liberal wing of the Supreme Court that sided (and decided) City of New London in Kelo. It is hard to spin this one as a conservative win, as most on the right hate the concept of eminent domain. The exceptions where big business is pushing for the action, including the GW example, is motivated by greed. Note that the greed is often spurred on by local government officials. In my area there is a downtown “revitalization” effort ongoing that encourages developers to build hotels, condos and trendy shops after the city takes over the “less aesthetic” properties. In one case the city actually build the hotel and hired Hilton to manage it.

  5. 10

    Dr. E spews:

    marks @ 8

    I’m certainly not disputing whether the “liberal” or “conservative” wing ruled in favor. I’m also not trying to indicate that I support the SCOTUS decision (broadly speaking, I don’t). But, your second and third points are refutable:

    GWB was part of a business concern that, in its apparent greed (as rightly pointed out in #9, above) for a cheaper parcel of land on which to build the parking lot, made what in my view is an unethical use of eminent domain. Since your question is directed at me, the answer is “no.” I do not think it is the government’s function to help private businesses be profitable at the expense of the public, whether it be the (in my view) unjust confiscation of lands through condemnation, or through the externalization of production costs onto the public via pollution, etc.

    As for GWB not being involved in government, that is/was certainly well known. What also was well known, to the Rangers (and others) was GWB’s connections with the political machinery in Texas (largely via his father). That’s where his usefulness in the transaction was. I don’t think that he was responsible for suggesting the use of eminent domain; rather, I think that Schieffer was behind that idea. Nevertheless, it would seem that W’s connections with the political infrastructure in Texas at the time would have helped having the legislation passed.

    (Your fourth point I think is largely irrelevant, i.e. the ball park being a nice place to watch a game.)

    My understanding of the SCOTUS decision is that the petitioners’ case hinged largely on the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” This is where the comparison between this case and the Ball Park at Arlington falls apart, and why I find the latter to be far worse (and far more unethical) than the former: The Rangers deliberately low-balled their offers to the property owners, knowing it would be rejected. After the counter-offers were rejected, they used their powers of eminent domain to claim the land.

    Having read the SCOTUS decision, it looks like the petitioners’ case was rejected on the merit of its legal argument. With that said, it seems to me that they did their job, and cannot be construed as “activist.”

  6. 12

    rujax206 spews:


    This time THE VENERALBE (and a f%ck of a lot smarter than you, sh*t for brains)Helen Thomas is wrong. Cheney is ALREADY running the country. His being elected President would be a demotion.

  7. 14

    rujax206 spews:

    Oh and BTW, DOUBLE sh*t for brains…she HAS NOT been excluded from the White House Press Corps. Go back to slimygreenbarfballs where you belong.

  8. 15

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeALucyLesshead? spews:

    We’re all on batty old lefty suicide alert… kinda like we’re all STILL waiting for the self-important loopy leftys from Hollywood to LEAVE THE COUNTRY when/since Bush won… twice! There sure ‘ain’t’ nothing like a lefty that’s as good as his/her word! Snicker.

    Step aside kiddies/loopy’s/lefties… the grown-ups are trying to run the country.

  9. 16

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeALucyLesshead? spews:

    She’s a dippy, dotty, old broad trying to resurrect a semblance of relevancy in her dotage.

    She’s a cowardly (as most liberals are) old broad in making grand promises on IF’s she already knows won’t come true.

  10. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment on 11

    How can anyone who thinks Dick Cheney is more valuable to society than Helen Thomas be taken seriously?

  11. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’d like to use this week’s Open Thread to tout my current read: “What’s The Matter With Kansas?” This book has everything — it’s written by a journalist from Kansas with a populist flavor and has a colorful cast of characters including all the modern villains — crooked CEOs, deregulators, and religious freaks, among others. The book’s central theme is an attempt to explain the mass insanity that impels half the electorate to vote in favor of their own economic suicide. But I must warn you the book has a pessimistic ending: There is no cure for insanity.

  12. 20

    For the Clueless spews:


    Same old brainwashed Doofus. Brain infused 24/7 by Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Faux News, Regnery, Malkin, Brian Baloney,,, ….

    Tragic ..

  13. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 17

    Shut up. I wasn’t talking to you. My liberal pals can read wahtever they want. Go read your “My Pet Goat.”

  14. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Folks, don’t miss the segment in Chapter 2 of “What’s The Matter With Kansas?” about Garden City, Kansas. It describes how 4 companies control the meat packing industry. They bring in immigrant workers from poor countries in South and Central America to work in unhealthy plants for low wages and no benefits. It describes the run-down trailer parks these workers live in. The meat packing plants that thrived in Chicago for over 100 years can’t compete with this cheap labor and have shut down. But if you’ve shopped for meat lately, you’ve noticed the money saved by replacing decently paid American workers with cheap foreign labor isn’t paid along to consumers — meat prices are at an all-time high. And this is the economic system assholes like Rufus want us to vote for?

    I think not.

  15. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Wow! It’s amazing the venom these right wing haters spew. They all must have been born as crack babies.

  16. 26

    For the Clueless spews:


    Yep, and it’s really amazing how DOOFUS and perfunctory blow job (pbj) just lap it up!

  17. 28

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeALucyLesshead? spews:

    Open thread 8-30-05
    by Goldy, 07/30/2005, 1:22 AM


    Ooops indeed.

  18. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Fucking With Voting Rights, 1 Voter At A Time

    The right wingers at Evergreen Freedom Foundation just couldn’t resist the temptation to go after a liberal federal judge — by attacking her voter registration. And, while they’re at it, attacking her husband’s voter registration, too. Her offense? Not revealing her home address on her voter registration form.

    Golly gee, do you think assassination threats against federal judges and their families might have something to do with that? I’ll bet these assholes would publish Her Honor’s address if they knew what it was. Then wash their hands of any innocent that gets spilled.

  19. 31

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Golly, gosh, gee, whiz dumb bunny, have you ever heard of a POST OFFICE BOX??

    Golly, gosh, gee, whiz dumb bunny don’t you think that would have been a better choice for a federal judge than, oh say, LYING

    (A name you come by legitimately.)

  20. 32

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 26

    There is provision in State law to register without revealing your address. This provision is used by anyone that requires confidentiality such as battered women and men, and of course judges and other officials. What part of “She could have applied for address confidentiality, but she chose to ignore the law instead.” did you not understand?

    I was used to the “tolerance” exhibited for voting felons and non-citizens, just wasn’t thinking that you could extend it to those charged with upholding the law. The accepted “relativism” when it comes to laws held in disfavor by the left is helping the right. If the law is insufficient then change it. Otherwise, please do not whine only when you get caught.

  21. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’ll just wait for the canvassing board to decide, then we’ll see if you trolls have egg all over your faces.

    You sure knew what you were talking about when we were debating the merits of Rossi’s election lawsuit, didn’t you?

    How can you proud to be an omelette?

  22. 34

    Enough_of_this_Bullshit spews:

    Last week my niece committed Suicide.
    Three years ago she was a victim of a brutal rape and she never got over it. She was a Stanford Grad and was working on her Masters at Stanford at the time of the rape. Her rapist was convicted of 1st degree rape and sentenced to 15 years in jail. My niece was sentenced to life.

    Other than the obvious when should this convict have his voting rights restored? When will his debt to society be repaid?

    I can not support giving felons the right to vote across the board. after committing certain crimes, the convict should never have their voting rights restored. I would say Murders and Rapists would be a good start to keep off of the voting rolls.

  23. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “I would say Murders and Rapists would be a good start to keep off of the voting rolls.”

    I doubt anyone on this board disagrees. Murderers and rapists should never return to society, in my opinion. The debate over restoring voting rights involves those who committed lesser crimes and go straight after release. If they don’t go straight, they go back to prison, and can’t vote. So we are only talking about people who have done their time and don’t reoffend.

  24. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    BTW I am sorry about your niece. I once bought a car through the classifieds from a couple whose daughter committed suicide. It was the daughter’s car and they sold it to pay for her burial. They didn’t tell me this until after we reached a deal. That couple’s anguish was indescribable. The mother was crying as she signed over the title. I bought the car to give to my kid, and of course I didn’t tell my child about the car’s history. How can you deal with something like this. As best you can, which is never very well. Again, my deepest sympathies to you, and to your niece’s families.

  25. 37

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 33

    ‘You sure knew what you were talking about when we were debating the merits of Rossi’s election lawsuit, didn’t you?’

    I was not checking the blogs at the time. It is clear, however, that WA law ends up allowing illegal votes by the boat full. Where did all of those extra ballots with no voters come from? Common sense tells us that there was a lot of cheating going on, and using a weak law as an excuse will not work outside of King County. At least everyone knows how to cheat now and still get the votes counted. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

  26. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 37

    Illegal votes by the boat full? Rossi was represented by Davis Wright Tremaine, one of Washington’s top corporate law firms. The case was tried before a Republican judge in a strongly Republican county. The GOP spent over $2 million on the case. And what did they prove after 2 weeks of trial? That 4 people voted illegally, and all 4 voted for Rossi, that’s what! Don’t give me your right wing crap about illegal votes. You people had your day in court and the only thing you proved is that GOP whiners are full of shit.

  27. 39

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 38

    ‘…right wing crap about illegal votes.’

    The judge ruled that there were 1900+ illegal votes. Only the 4 felon shills for the dems were subtracted from Rossi’s total. The 1900 were taken from the total but not from either candidate. Please review the ruling. My point was that it is clear that illegal votes count, and that everyone knows how to do it now.

  28. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 41

    Looks like the old girl IS losing it! After all, Dick Cheney has been president for over 4 years now. But you really need to find yourself a better source than Drudge, who has zero credibility left after the Kerry “intern affair” fiasco.

  29. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 40

    Well I’ll tell you what, righty — we don’t know who those 1900 people voted for, do we? But I’m gonna get myself one of those “4 Out Of 5 Felons Prefer Rossi” bumper stickers.

  30. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Oh yeah — you forgot to mention the 1,867 provisional ballots in Rossi counties that weren’t signature checked.

  31. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    These fucking Rossi lunatics sound like a broken record player — damn thing plays the same song over and over and over.

  32. 45


    But I’m gonna get myself one of those “4 Out Of 5 Felons Prefer Rossi” bumper stickers.

    No Rabbit– the 4 out of 5 statistic is for dead people and they vote democrat.

  33. 46

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 40

    ‘..we don’t know who those 1900 people voted for, do we?’

    No we don’t. (wink, wink) But now we ALL know how to get those votes in there so they get counted. Not that I am recommending it.

    Anyhow, the voter rolls will get a bit of cleaning thanks to groups like EFF. They cannot clean up the laws, however, and the dems made sure the loophole is still there. Not that I am recommending using it. Just that we ALL know how to get the illegal votes to count “legally” under WA law.

    If GW had beat Gore or Kerry by 2 million votes and there were 20 million illegal votes in the country that had been counted I suspect you would feel different.

  34. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Uh … no, Dufus, the court-proven facts don’t bear you out. Someone should give you a crate of Ex-Lax for Xmas, because you’re full of shit.

  35. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Are you suggesting the Democrats start cheating, to fight fire with fire so to speak? We all know Repukes cheat.

  36. 50

    NoWonder spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 49

    ‘We all know Repukes cheat.’

    Yes, but they are not very good at it yet. (They are learning.)The good news is that we ALL know the recipe for getting illegal votes to count, and I expect WA to have EXCELLENT turnout at the next big election.

  37. 51

    Baynative spews:

    Olympia- The state increased the number of government employees by more than 1,600 this year, continuing a nine-year trend of hiring that outpaces population growth in Washington and drawing criticism from conservatives who say it’s time to reduce government services.

    Is this what Gregoire was talking about when she said she’d balance the budget by cutting 1,000 unnecessaary jobs in government?