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Open Thread 7-22

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 7/22/13, 8:04 am

– “One of the things over the years that have begun to lay the foundation for it are opt-in principles. In other words, people very much in this country want to be able to say: I’m in charge of my information and my data,” Wyden told a noontime audience of several dozen tech workers. (h/t)

– The Klan is handing out fliers in Des Moines.

– I think the most likely explanation here is that Issa was simply trying to cook up a scandal, even though it did nothing to address the genuine problems with the way campaign finance and tax laws are written. He probably figured that in the best case scenario, he’d be able to get away with his fraud. And in the worst case scenario, he’d get a slap on the wrist from a few reporters, but endless approval from his political supporters.

– Darryl mentioned the president’s Trayvon Martin speech after it happened on Friday. Some conservatives weren’t happy with it.

– And if I’m linking to Salon, in fairness, what the fuck, Salon?

– I don’t know what’s strangest about this scene: how much of Downtown I recognize, how much is different or the fact that there are no people out during the entire chase.

– You can talk about the royal baby if you want (of course), but I can’t be assed to find a link.

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  1. 1

    Myself spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 8:30 am

    I would say the strangest things about the scene are that it makes no geographic sense and a dune buggy just sort of sitting there, personally I would recommend Cinderella Liberty instead.

  2. 2

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 9:09 am

    The gas station where the dune buggy was parked is the site where the EMP is now. I watched that whole thing, it’s funny how at one point, where the two cars collide and burst into flames, how William Smith heads north from Spokane Street along the tracks between 4th Ave and East Marginal Way, but the very next scene put them southbound along the tracks from the Lenora Street Walk where it comes out from under Aurora/Hwy 99, and into the railroad tunnel.

  3. 3

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 10:48 am

    Interesting, Joe Scarborough going after Hannity on the Trayvon Martin “pot in his system” remarks. He compared it to Reefer Madness.
    http://livewire.talkingpointsm.....ge?ref=fpb

  4. 4

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 10:49 am

    Scarborough once represented Florida in Congress by the way, although Pensacola is not Sanford.

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 11:57 am

    The liberal-biased media, which as you know inflamed public opinion against officially “not-guilty” vigilante killer George Zimmerman, is making a big deal of Zimmerman (with another motorist) helping a family get out of their SUV after it overturned. Zimmerman wasn’t involved in the accident, and none of the occupants of the overturned SUV were injured.

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 11:58 am

    In other news, a federal judge has blocked North Dakota’s shiny new abortion law, the nation’s most restrictive. The law would have banned abortions six weeks after conception, which would eliminate 90% of the abortions performed at the state’s sole abortion clinic. In Roe v. Wade, SCOTUS defined fetus “viability” as 28 weeks, and state laws more restrictive than that presumably are unconstitutional. Many GOP-controlled legislatures have been passing laws that ban abortions after, variously, 16 to 22 weeks, apparently in a bid to get a case before SCOTUS in hopes of overturning Roe v. Wade.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:04 pm

    Georgia has fired the peach as its state fruit. Presumably its replacement, the blueberry, was willing to work for a lower minimum wage.

    From now on, if you meet a cute girl from Georgia, instead of calling her a “Georgia Peach,” you should refer to her as “Blueberry.” This is especially applicable if she’s been breathless for more than 10 minutes.

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:07 pm

    Okay, that was bad, I admit it. My apologies to female drowning victims from Georgia. I like “Peach” better, but can’t explain why. It resonates or something.

  9. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:14 pm

    As for those Klan flyers tossed onto people’s porches in Des Moines (WA not IA), chalk it up to “the spirit of George Zimmerman.” Yeah. This guy is one of their role models, too.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n.....6dvTwCSXqN

  10. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:14 pm

    As for those Klan flyers tossed onto people’s porches in Des Moines (WA not IA), chalk it up to “the spirit of George Zimmerman.” Yeah. This guy probably is one of their role models, too:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n.....6dvTwCSXqN

  11. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:19 pm

    An epic police chase occurred in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood last week.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/l.....93101.html

  12. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:22 pm

    I assume everyone is fixated on the pending royal birth because the whole world is so fed up with the rest of the royal family that everyone wants the crown to pass to this one the instant it’s born. I have an easier solution, why not just abolish royalty, a concept that long ago outlived any usefulness it ever had.

  13. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 12:28 pm

    # 12: Charles would not be pleased.

  14. 14

    Zotz sez: Zimmerman, skinhead? spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 1:00 pm

    @10: One odd thing I observed from the interminable trial coverage:

    The murderer and his male defenders/friends on the stand wore mostly shaved heads, reminded me of skinheads in their manner as well.

    I think ruddy faced fascists were allowed to convict Trayvon Martin of his own murder.

  15. 15

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 1:28 pm

    12)He’s probably jealous, of the new monarchs in the Netherlands and Belgium, their parents abdicated so they could take charge.

  16. 16

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 2:36 pm

    @12 I heard a fine story once where the king of Sweden ask if he could get a preferred parking spot and was turned down, they didn’t want to establish that people were more equal than others simply by birth lottery.

    I love the internet.
    http://articles.chicagotribune.....een-silvia
    It would set a precedent and other folks might start asking for similar dispensations.

    – Remind me again, why is democratic socialism so bad?

  17. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 2:39 pm

    @12 Who cares what Charles thinks? I’ll bet even his mother doesn’t. And anyway, if his mother lives to 100 and it looks like she’s going to, he’s screwed as far as ever being king goes, which will make his role in history nothing more than an understudy who never got promoted.

  18. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 2:43 pm

    After waiting this long to get the job, I don’t suppose he’ll voluntarily relinquish it to his grandson.

  19. 19

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 2:45 pm

    I feel sorry for the kid. I wonder how long they’ll wait to tell him he has the misfortune of being the heir to the English throne? He’d have been better off to be born a girl.

  20. 20

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 2:50 pm

    It’s a boring job; but I’d sit on my ass waving a scepter all day, too, if somebody paid me enough.

  21. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 3:00 pm

    The Sheikh of Dubai has pardoned a 24-year-old Norwegian woman sentenced to prison for being raped. But the pardon also frees the rapist, because in Dubai, a royal pardon officially erases the crime. She plans to leave Dubai as soon as possible.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/.....?hpt=hp_t2

  22. 22

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 3:22 pm

    Okay, Queen Elizabeth II is, by my calculations, age 87. She has to die first. She’s probably got another ten to fifteen years.

    Then Charles, Prince of Wales takes the throne. He’s 62 now, he’s probably going to live another 40 years or so.

    So it looks like the new baby would be age 50 55 before it could take the throne, which includes being the head of the Church of England.

  23. 23

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 3:41 pm

    One of the former best examples of the use of the royal perogative was during WWII, when the King of Denmark was on the thrown. The Nazis issued a decree requiring all jewish Danes to wear the Star of David. That morning, the King left the palace for his morning walk – wearing a bright yellow Star of David. Within hours every Dane was wearing one. The Nazis backed down.

  24. 24

    ArtFart spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 3:58 pm

    @22 I seem to recall Charles as having previously expressed his preference not to be king. Seems he’s been involved in some political/environmental activism which he’d officially be prohibited from doing if he were crowned.

    Wouldn’t Prince Andrew and then Prince William (and maybe Harry) be next in the line of succession? This kid could have a long time to wait before taking his turn.

    Anyway, I’ll be interested in when we get to see pictures of the little bloke. Considering what his parents look like he’ll probably be quite a handsome devil.

  25. 25

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 4:24 pm

    # 24: Yep, I forgot about Prince William. So the line of succession would be:

    Elizabeth II – born 1926
    Charles – born 1948
    William – born 1962
    Baby – born 2013

    So the baby might not ascend to the thrown for another 60 + years – longer if William lives longer himself.

  26. 26

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 4:33 pm

    I feel sorry for the kid. I wonder how long they’ll wait to tell him he has the misfortune of being the heir to the English throne? He’d have been better off to be born a girl.

    Golly Roger DUMBASS SENILE and LUNATIC Wabbit. Haven’t you paid attention to anything…? Only your love of DUMMOCRAPTIC crooks it seems!

    If he was born a she she’d still 3rd in line to the British throne. The British Commonwealth changed the law in October 2011. Butt then again you are old and decrepit so these knowledge bits pass you by!

    Sux to be you!

  27. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 4:46 pm

    William – born 1962

    So William is 51? Who knew he looks so good to be that old.

  28. 28

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 4:54 pm

    With Stand Your Ground Laws, the Zimmerman case, and lots of people getting concealed carry permits, you can expect to see more this this sort of nonsense. I hope this guy goes to jail for life.

    STEELVILLE, Mo. (AP) — A float trip on a river in eastern Missouri turned deadly when a property owner became angry after seeing a man urinating on a gravel bar, authorities said Monday.

    James Crocker, 59, of Steelville, is charged with second-degree murder. He is jailed on a $650,000 cash-only bond.

    Crocker, a property owner along the river, is accused in court records of confronting a group of people on their float trip Saturday and shooting Paul Dart Jr., a traveling companion of the man who was urinating, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported. Dart, 48, of Robertsville, was shot in the head.

    “It’s my property and I was going to protect it,” Crocker told police, according to court records.
    http://www.news-leader.com/vie.....es-crocker

  29. 29

    Carl spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:10 pm

    @1 & 2,

    I think you just have to accept that the geography makes no sense since it’s a movie.

  30. 30

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:18 pm

    @24 Now that William has an heir, Edward drops way down the list. Unless, of course, he wants to fight a war of succession like many of his predecessors did. The fastest way to the throne for minor heirs has always been over the dead bodies of the next-in-lines.

  31. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:20 pm

    @25, 27 That’s a typo, William was born in 1982, so he’s 31 not 51. Still, 60 years is a stretch …

  32. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:25 pm

    Workers get screwed by insurance companies, too. They can cut their car insurance rates by 40% if they quit their jobs and flip houses or stocks like everyone else. Useless financial speculation pays a lot better, too. I made $325 in the stock market today by doing absolutely nothing of any use to anyone.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/busines.....6C10710436

  33. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:28 pm

    @28 This is what Zimmerman’s acquittal will spawn all over the country. Every yahoo with a gun thinks he has a license to kill.

  34. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:35 pm

    Here’s some more 2nd Amendment idiocy:

    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/.....n-property

  35. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:36 pm

    The Second Amendment gives people a right to keep and bear arms. It doesn’t give them a right to use them as they please.

  36. 36

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:40 pm

    Boeing workers living in or moving to South Carolina must be thrilled for the opportunity of generational stability on the soceio-economic ladder.

  37. 37

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 5:41 pm

    Oops, forgot they link

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07.....3&

  38. 38

    wharfrat spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:04 pm

    In my view, darryl Issa makes such a commotion in the desperate hope of staying one step ahead of a grand jury investigating his many, many real state deals.

  39. 39

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:18 pm

    Some talking head on the snooze hour is saying that 80% of the cost of Detroit’s bankruptcy is to be borne by the workers; a reduction of 40-60% of the deferred compensation owed.

    pssst you’re next

  40. 40

    MarkS spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:29 pm

    If you have seen the story or the picture of this 14 year old girl protesting Texas’ new abortion law you need to.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/2.....lawmakers/

  41. 41

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:33 pm

    For the idiot white supremacists in So. King county, I won’t shed a tear when someone puts a cap in your ass. And when we find out it was one of your own fellow idiots who did it we’ll point & laugh.

  42. 42

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:39 pm

    @25, 27

    SENILE Wabbit… We know why you skipped over #26.

    HAHAHAHAHA!

  43. 43

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:40 pm

    For the idiot white supremacists in So. King county

    How can this be… It’s DUMMOCRAPT land!

  44. 44

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 6:57 pm

    Uncle Puddles! you ignorant troll,

    Yes! Please provide us your views on the rational logic of white supremacist thought.

  45. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 7:57 pm

    The author of #43 is criticizing me for #26? That’s hilarious!

  46. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 7:57 pm

    Would someone please tell puddles where all the Republican rednecks in King County live? Thanks.

  47. 47

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 8:12 pm

    Roger!

    Nowhere is suburbanization of poverty more evident than in South King County, where affordable housing has drawn immigrants and refugees coming here from across the globe as well as low-income families forced from Seattle by skyrocketing housing costs.

    See my first post on this thread Puddles about the real costs of suburbanization. If you, as a black man, would like a proposed solution to economically stoked racism aimed at your kids, consider affordable housing coupled with transportation services.

    Then again, don’t worry about it Uncle Puddles.
    Surely the violence prone racists in your community won’t strike down your children. Like Allen West says, if they’re respectful like him… no worries.
    You can bet your kid’s life on what West says.

  48. 48

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 9:08 pm

    Our pet klownservative jerk troll will be pleased to know how well right wing ding policies are working in the ‘burbs of Cobb County, GA:

    Kim and Melissa live in Cobb County, north-west of Atlanta. It ranks fifth out of Georgia’s 159 counties in income per head, at $33,514—well above the American median of $27,915 and nearly three times the poverty level of $11,484 for a single person. It is home to a big convention centre and some smart malls and hotels. But it is also home to many who are hard-up. In 2000 6.5% of the people in Cobb County were poor; in 2011, 12.6% were. CFR saw requests for help with the rent rise from 207 in January 2010 to 577 in January this year. The number of people who came in asking for assistance of some kind rose from 754 in January 2009 to 1,326 in January 2013.

    Americans tend to think of poverty as urban or rural—housing estates or shacks in the woods. And it is true that poverty rates tend to be higher in cities and the countryside. But the suburbs are where you will find America’s biggest and fastest-growing poor population,

    http://www.economist.com/news/.....intheburbs

    Wow! Now jerk klownservatives in the krackpot kongress have the nerve to vote farm subsidies for themselves while cutting food assistance to hard-up klownservatives in the ‘burbs..

    The interminably wrong wing is too freaking sick..

  49. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 9:48 pm

    @48 Same crowd that voted 37 times to repeal Obamacare. What do you expect?

  50. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 9:49 pm

    Those Who Play With Razor Blades Dep’t

    “When Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, a Republican congressman from Florida, spoke a few words of Spanish during an outdoor press conference last month, a Tea Party activist who had been attending a nearby anti-immigration reform rally reportedly instructed him to ‘learn English!'”

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com.....anish?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Being a Republican congressman isn’t easy, and there are almost times when you gotta feel sorry for them. Almost. But not quite.

  51. 51

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Monday, 7/22/13 at 9:51 pm

    The conservative talking head was going on and on that labor unions were keeping wages high for young people,the unskilled, and minorities, and if we could just pay them less than the minimum wage, that would lead to to economic prosperity.

    Similarly, tax paying Americans pay for public schools and Conservatives should be allowed to find ways to cut teacher pay because public school kids didn’t need well paid teachers. They were wasting “good” American’s money paying public teachers to teach public kids.

  52. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 3:21 am

    Yes! Please provide us your views on the rational logic of white supremacist thought.

    Flubscout… Sorry dude, I have no idea how or why you libtards think you are superior! It’s all you libtards do here and most of you are white.

  53. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 3:31 am

    If you, as a black man, would like a proposed solution to economically stoked racism aimed at your kids, consider affordable housing coupled with transportation services.

    FlubScout…

    1) My children were taught to get an education in high school, do well. Most asians teach that to their children and that’s why they usually are close to valedictorian status in every high school class.
    2) Most will live bunched up together because they know their struggle is to get their children educated and the children will pay back their parents.
    3) My children got an education that uplifts then in society. Puddy paid for their education. No art history or psychology degrees.
    4) Puddy agrees to a point that everyone should get decent housing. Butt, they also should be responsible to help upkeep it.
    5) Respect. Yes respect is not calling women hos and bitches in your various ballads and songs.
    6) Respect is treating your friends’ sisters as you’d want your sister treated.
    7) Respect is honoring your mother and father.
    8) Respect is being a father to the children you father.
    9) Respect is not doing drugs or peddling them to make easy money.

    You won’t find this list anywhere FlubScout. Puddy didn’t plagiarize anything. It’ was all upstairs!

    Puddy realizes FlubScout won’t comprehend this list because being the libtard white spremacist he is, he thinks he’s better than the average joe!

  54. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 3:36 am

    Oh my it seems useless HA unemployed ASSHole@48 is using that poverty has moved to the suburbs argument again. You’d think after his arschloch was handed to the useless HA unemployed ASSHole the last time he’d learn.

    Nahhh… the useless HA unemployed ASSHole@48 never learns! Puddy PROVED the last time those three “suburbs” voted for Obummer BIG TIME in your last attempt at this!

    Oh and Roger SENILE and LUNATIC Wabbit, you fell for the useless HA unemployed ASSHole’s swill last time too. You are old and decrepit as proven in post #19!

  55. 55

    Remember what Lee said.. spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 12:21 pm

    Notice that our “goto” pet krackpot klownservative jerk troll @ 54 has not mentioned the political leanings of Cobb County, GA..

    Notice that GA is a klownservative State and klownservative policies are working wonders for Cobb County as they have been for Wisconsin whose job growth still lags the midwest and the rest of the country..

    Next!

  56. 56

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 2:17 pm

    @ 51

    Thats because the conservative’s kids are the ones that sit in the back, throw spitwads, make smartass remarks at everything a teacher tells them, refuse to open a book under almost any circumstances and are always getting caught doing shit like cheating on tests, smoking in the bathroom and punching out the little kids on the playground.

    “Conservatives” don’t like public schools, because they and their kids never learn anything in them.

  57. 57

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 2:40 pm

    Following the Lac Megantic oil train disaster, Transport Canada jas issued emergency, temporary rules while the investigation continues. It includes no more one man crews on trains with hazardous cargo.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....rules.html

  58. 58

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 4:15 pm

    @56.
    Yes and no. School, if funded and done properly, is likely to teach the kids critical thinking and how to be rational, thinking adults. That runs counter to much of what low information conservatives value.

    My personal theory is that that argument is also code for the “outrage” of spending money educating children that don’t look like them. It scares them that those “other” people could become better educated and more successful than they are.

  59. 59

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 5:49 pm

    Cobb County, GA..

    Once again useless HA unemployed ASSHole delivers a non-sequitor.

    IDIOT!

  60. 60

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 5:52 pm

    “Conservatives” don’t like public schools, because they and their kids never learn anything in them.

    More BULLSHIT from another HA BULLSHIT artist!

    It seems you have it wrong about the political leanings OWS Racist Fraggy… Look at WA DC schools. Most money spent per capita and the worst graduation rates in AMERICA! Libtard lead and libtard attended!

  61. 61

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 5:58 pm

    Ahhh Fascist Pigsty,

    More BULLSHIT from another BULLSHIT artist… How much money are we going to continue to throw at a failing skuul system? We already know what the teacher union thinks about…Getting more money to fund DUMMOCRAPTS…

    Need to see the youtube video again?

  62. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 6:11 pm

    It would be hard for me to disagree that public schools are a waste of money if Puddy is representative of what they produce.

  63. 63

    YLB spews:

    Tuesday, 7/23/13 at 8:34 pm

    Once again

    Our klownservative jerk troll is unable to get the point.. (that reading comprehension thing again). Klownservative policies suck where ever they’re tried.. In GA and WI they’re flailing and failing big time.

    If places show some life it’s for some other reason like the resource booms in TX, WY and ND.. Klownservative policies add little to no value and it’s almost always a negative like lax regulation leading to terrible environmental problems.

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