Open Thread

Looking forward to this Ken Burns special next week:


  1. 1

    czechsaaz spews:

    One of my right wing relatives forwarded an e-mail to me today that claimed that Candidate Obama said this on meet the press that he thinks the flag is a symbol of oppression, that he’s attended flag burning ceremonies and:

    “It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren.”

    Even though we deal with the moronic fringe of society Puddy I’m amazed that this several year old bit still circulates. No matter what you think of any president, this sounds reasonable to people? Sounds reasonable that this wasn’t a 24/7 McCain ad during the election? Do a simple google check before passing it along?

    I just responded with relevant Snopes-type links and, “I feel bad that you are so intellectually incurious that you didn’t think for a second that this might not be true.”

  2. 2

    dv90821 spews:

    I recommend reading Daniel Okrent’s “Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition. It details how politics were consumed (no pun intended) by politicians who stood as wet or dry and how the influence of groups like the ASL (Anti Saloon League) that gain power that lobbyists today are envious.

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    Liberal Scientist wonders why the Republicans just don't cut the charade and start using the Hitler salute spews:

    This is too funny.

    Marcus Bachmann’s beard, AKA Presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann, thinks that Hezboooolahh is setting up missile bases, MISSILE BASES!, in CUBAAAAA!

    Crazy Lady! I’ll miss her.

  4. 4


    Joe McGinnis’ “The Rogue” is in the bookstores and man oh man it looks like a DAMN GOOD READ:

    Those who know Sarah and Todd best trust and like them least. They are bullies who revel in inspiring fear among many who know them.

    Like both their parents’ families, Todd and Sarah’s marriage and family are completely dysfunctional and the “family values” they seek to convey are a complete fraud. Todd is apparently a wanton womanizer.

    Sarah’s religious extremism is much more significant than the media has portrayed; not only her “young earth creationist” beliefs, but the in-depth discussions of her Dominionist beliefs and espousal of witchcraft, are very disturbing and are seen as extreme even by far-right evangelicals.

    Her mayoral term was a “reign of terror,” with the firings of anyone who disagreed with her religious or other views and appointments of unqualified cronies. The list of those she used and then discarded is long: John Stein, Laura Chase, Irl Stambaugh, John Cramer, Lyda Green, John Bitney and many, many others.

    The possibility of legal action regarding perjury during Troopergate may have played a role in Palin’s decision to quit the governorship.

    Levi doesn’t come off as an angel but all the things he said about the dysfunction in the Palin household are totally affirmed by others.


    I LOVE IT!!!

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    Puddybud, DUMMOCRAPTS love anarchy spews:

    Do a simple google check before passing it along?

    Sound similar to the HA arschloch yesterday trying to blame

    Cheap labor right wingers KILL!

    on Conservatives when the SEIU did it themselves!

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    Puddybud, DUMMOCRAPTS love anarchy spews:


    Joe McGinnis’ “The Rogue” is in the bookstores and man oh man it looks like a DAMN GOOD READ:

    So does this mean you gonna leave the house and purchase the book or will you send Mrs arschloch out to get it for you?

    You are DISGUSTING!

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    re 5: Isn’t ‘deregulation’ anarchy? After all, regulations are the rules and laws that one must abide by.

    Just to make it clear, so that even you can understand it: Would you be in favor of deregulating bank robbery?

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    Puddybud, DUMMOCRAPTS love anarchy spews:

    LMAO!!! Looks like there’s a zombie stalker out there!

    From the HA arschloch who stalked Puddy in multiple threads with 16 different captured HA blog links! Each one an EPIC FAYLE!


    A laugh a nanosecond with this HA arschloch moron!

  9. 11


    Heh. I like this comment from the Firedoglake book salon on “The Rogue”:


    What has your experience been in dealing with the Trig Truthers? My family and I saw her in Fairbanks just a week after she announced her pregnancy and I can guarantee you she was not pregnant. People think that I’m crazy when I tell them that and for a long time I thought maybe I was missing something. But when I saw that other people questioned her pregnancy then I knew that it wasn’t just me and I felt validated.

    Yet the smelly walking dead zombies among us claim questions about Trig were manufactured on the Daily Kos.

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    Damn do we need more journalists like Joe McGinnis!

    Maybe my first controversy came in 1966 when I was a sportswriter for the Philadelphia Bulletin and reported that Wilt Chamberlain had refused to attend a special foul shooting practice called by his coach during a playoff series against the Celtics. In the sixth game, Wilt went 6 for 28 from the foul line and the 76ers were eliminated. If he’d shot even fifty percent, they would have won. In the locker room afterward, someone asked him if it was true that he’d refused to attend the special practice. He spotted me, the source of that story, and ordered me to leave the locker room. I refused. He lost his temper, jumped up and took a swing at me. Wilt was 7-3, 320 pounds. Five guys jumped on him and restrained him.

    So, you know, I don’t exactly quiver when confronted by Tiny Todd Palin.

    Same link as 11.

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    re 9: “animus”????

    The anima and animus, in Carl Jung’s school of analytical psychology, are the two primary anthropomorphic archetypes of the unconscious mind, as opposed to both the theriomorphic and inferior-function of the shadow archetypes, as well as the abstract symbol sets that formulate the archetype of the Self. The anima and animus are described by Jung as elements of his theory of the collective unconscious, a domain of the unconscious that transcends the personal psyche. In the unconscious of the male, it finds expression as a feminine inner personality: anima; equivalently, in the unconscious of the female it is expressed as a masculine inner personality: animus.

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    Liberal Scientist wonders why the Republicans just don't cut the charade and start using the Hitler salute spews:

    Hey all, vicious right-wing attack on Elizabeth Warren!
    Asshole teahaddist Micheal Laprarie at some site called Wizbang wrote this gem:

    When I hear the word “contract” I reach for my revolver think of two unique definitions — formally, a legally binding mutual agreement made between two or more parties, or idiomatically, an attempt to hire an assassin to kill one or more of your enemies.

    The “reach for my revolver” is supposed to be crossed out – not sure how to reporduce that here.

    What is obvious is the idiom of violence, elimination, firearms that the fascists revel in. And they’re coming after this corrageous woman sho dared speak the truth – that must scare the fools like Rush shitless.

    So…sign the Credo petition supporting her here, and check out the Bowers article at DK here – and throw her some dollars!

  13. 16

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 1: I heard a lady last week that was absolutely convinced that Obama had said somewhere in a speach that he didn’t believe in the Bible and thought there was more truth in the Koran. She claimed to have seen excerpts of that speech on YouTube, but “of course, it was taken down because of the control the Democrats have on the media”. She proclaimed that Obama, and our country by extension, was cursed because he had denied the divinity of Christ and the only way for our country to remove the curse was to get him out of office by any means necessary. I presume she meant voting him out or impeachment, I doubt she meant anything more sinister.

    But how do you argue with that???? They are absolutely convinced in their beliefs, and any evidence to the contrary will be dismissed without consideration. I think the best we can do is not try to argue with those like her (who will never be persuaded), but instead focus on those who aren’t so locked into their positions.

  14. 17

    Liberal Scientist wonders why the Republicans just don't cut the charade and start using the Hitler salute spews:

    Maybe secession would be a good thing. She’d love it in Texas.

  15. 18

    Czechsaaz spews:


    It’s the sheer stupidity that gets me. If I received an email that quoted George W. Bush saying,

    “the best thing about Skull and Bones is that was the one period in my life I enjoyed the pleasure of love with another man. And in our rituals we routinely flogged the Muslims we could find around campus. As president, it is my intention to drop “newclear” ordinance on all countries with under 80% Christian populace.”

    My gut reaction would be, nah. That can’t really be true. Let’s not hit forward til it checks out.

  16. 19

    Michael spews:

    Is this the same shooting that the righties were talking about last weekend?
    A St. Augustine woman, 96, is charged with Sunday’s fatal shooting of her nephew who feared her moodiness and grew frustrated when he said authorities failed to help, a neighbor and the victim’s boss said.

    But city police Cmdr. Steve Fricke said his agency and the Department of Children and Families had no basis to remove Amanda Rice Stevenson from Johnny Rice’s John Street home in West Augustine. Fricke also said there are no police records of Rice complaining about his aunt.

    A Children and Families worker went to the home Sept. 8 for a report that Stevenson, not Rice, had been mistreated, Fricke said. The worker left after Stevenson said she was fine and threatened to use a gun if he trespassed, Fricke said. The agency returned the next day to attempt to hospitalize the woman under the state’s Baker Act, though the outcome of that effort remains unclear, records show.

    Stevenson is accused of killing Rice, 53, while he lay in bed. Police discovered Rice’s body about 9 p.m. after his wife reported that he was blocking her entrance to their bedroom and was cold to the touch.

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    debonair spews:

    It appears the incompetent Obama Administration has lost something in Libya..make that lost 20,000 f&%@ing missles!

    A recent secret White House meeting revealed that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles appear to have vanished from an Army warehouse in Libya, reported.
    The new revelations stoke ongoing fears that such weapons, which are light, relatively easy to use and have the capacity to take down a commercial airplane, could end up in the wrong hands as the Libyan war that ousted Muammar Qaddafi winds down.
    “Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., told

    How much more incompetence will Obama need to show the nations Independent Voters?? Or even the moderate Democrats?

  18. 21

    Michael spews:

    You mean like all the surface to air missiles that went missing in The ‘Stan under Reagan? And all the crap that went missing in The ‘Stan and Iraq under Bush 2?

    The missiles that went missing are Libyan missiles, not US ones. They went missing in large part because we couldn’t put US troops on the ground in Libya to guard them. We couldn’t put troops on the ground to guard them because Republicans were pitching a fit and didn’t want us to have any part of what was going on in Libya.

    If the Republicans had had their way we wouldn’t even know that there are missiles floating around on the loose. And you’re complaining about Obama?

  19. 23

    Michael spews:

    It looks like the 20K number is the total number of missiles that we think Libya might have, not the total missing #.

  20. 24

    rhp6033 spews:

    I guess we can officially put a fork in “compassionate conservatism” as a political philosophy.

    1. It’s been well document (by video) that at least one popular GOP candidate for President is in favor of having an uninsured patient die rather than rendering govermental assistance to pay for his care. The cheers and applause at the Republican debate show this isn’t a small minority clique that holds that belief.

    2. When a soldier serving in Iraq asks the Republican candidates a question (via video), he is roundly booed – because he is gay.

    3. Let’s not forget the Dec. 2010 Republican demand that no extension of unemployment benefits would pass unless the rich got an extension on their tax breaks – a position worthy of ascribing to Scrooge in the holiday season.

    There are others, but more important to this discussion is how the Republican candidates all started piling in on Perry because he signed a bill granting in-state tuition to undocumented students who meet all other criteria. Perry’s response was that anyone who wants to deny an education to an innocent student, who’s only crime was to be brought into the U.S. by his/her parents without any say in the manner, “had no heart”.

    Now all the right-wingers are piling on Perry for stating the obvious – that they have no heart.

    Of course, there never was such a thing as “compassionate conservatism”. It was simply campaign sloganeering by Karl Rove to make George W. Bush seem at least marginally acceptable to independent voters. But at this point the Republicans have discarded any pretense to that ideology.

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    Turd for brains ButtPutty's dead goat spews:

    Hey DeBoner @20

    You ever stop to think that the US didn’t/doesn’t have boots on the ground in Libya? Nah, didn’t think so.

  22. 27

    Michael spews:

    O’ Lordy. Would I have gotten kicked off the plane for thinking Camila Grey kissing another woman was hot? I mean, that’s not very family friendly of me.

    Maybe they should have taken a vote. They could have staid on the plane if more people didn’t care about the kiss than were offended by it.

    What I really wonder is, is how many more times is South West going to get raked over the coals for crap like this until they change their ways?

    Leisha Hailey, best known for playing Alice Pieszecki in the now defunct Showtime lesbian life drama “The L Word,” asked her Twitter followers to boycott Southwest Airlines after the encounter Monday.

    The airline responded that Hailey’s display of affection was excessive and drew customer complaints.

    The actress and her partner, Camila Grey, denied in a statement released Tuesday that the affection they showed toward each other was inappropriate.

    “We want to make it clear we were not making out or creating any kind of spectacle of ourselves, it was one modest kiss,” the written statement said. “We are responsible adult women who walk through the world with dignity. We were simply being affectionate like any normal couple.”

    Hailey and Grey acknowledge they became upset after the flight attendant reprimanded them. They said the attendant told them that Southwest is a “family airline.”

    “No matter how quietly homophobia is whispered, it doesn’t make it any less loud,” the statement said. “You can’t whisper hate. We ask this airline to teach their employees to not discriminate against any couple, ever, regardless of their own beliefs.”

  23. 28

    Michael spews:

    HA! The Tea Party’s so done. The world’s moved on.

    The Salt Lake Tribune

    First published Sep 05 2011 05:00PM
    Updated Sep 6, 2011 07:24AM
    To most of the world, Salt Lake City may be known for Mormons, skiing or maybe the Utah Jazz.

    But one characteristic that the world, and even some residents, may not have guessed is this: Salt Lake City has the third-highest rate of same-sex couples among America’s mid-size cities (those with populations between 100,000 and 250,000).

    Salt Lake City — the capital of conservative Utah — ranks in the top 10 for same-sex couples with such well-known liberal places as Berkeley, Calif.; Cambridge, Mass.; and Madison, Wis.

    “It doesn’t surprise me,” says Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker. “I have known as mayor, and as anyone here who pays attention also knows, that we have a relatively large and active LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] community.”

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    debonair spews:

    President Obama declared last Tuesday to the UN the Libyan people are “free from a tyrant” even though ousted leader Muammar Gaddafi remains on the loose.

    Obama also defended his Libyan actions last Tuesday, saying the U.S. was “proud to play a decisive role, especially in the first days, and, then, in a supporting capacity.”

    A lot of support…losing 20,000 missles.
    Plus, many Democrats were also on Obama’s case about Libya being an unauthorized war. Obama should have gone to Congress. Instead he dicked around and now look what happened.

    Sorry Michael, Obama is responsible. The buck stops with him.

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    Turd for brains ButtPutty's dead goat spews:

    Hey DeBoner @20

    You ever stop to ask yourself why the US didn’t/doesn’t have boots on the ground in Libya? Could it have been the lunatic fringe (AKA the Repuglican Tea Party) that kept Obama from committing boots on the ground?

  26. 31

    Liberal Scientist wonders why the Republicans just don't cut the charade and start using the Hitler salute spews:

    ‘debonair’ is a douchebag.

    Don’t feed the trolls.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    # 29: As was mentioned previously, those were not U.S. missles. They had previously belonged to the Libyan army, and went “missing” in the course of a revolution.

    Now, let’s compare that with Iraq, where the U.S. DID have a very substantial presence on the ground, and still failed to secure unguarded warehouses and huge storage depots of all manner of weapons, including not only shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapons, but also anti-tank weapons, land mines, artillary shells, small arms of every variety and virtually unlimited ammunition, etc.

    And while we are at it, let’s point out that under Ronald Reagan, stinger missles were given to Muhadeen rebels fighting the Soviets, only to have them cause considerable concern to the U.S. when U.S. forces entered Afganistan to kick out the Taliban.

    Oh, and dare we broach the whole subject of the original arms-for-hostages dealings by the Reagan administration, where they gave arms and spare parts to Iran in violation of U.S. law (and ensuring that more U.S. citizens would be taken hostage)? Or the switch were the Reagan administration decided that it preferred a stalemate in the Iran/Iraq war, and provided real-time intelligence on Iranian military movements to the Iraqis, along with other weapons?

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    A recent secret White House meeting revealed that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles appear to have vanished from an Army warehouse in Libya, reported.

    ZzzzzzZZZzzzzzZZzz.. Who sold them to the Libyans in the first place???

    It looks like the Russians did..

    We all know who sold these missiles:

    When the Afghan mujahideen were fighting the Soviets more than two decades ago, the CIA supplied the Afghans with 1,000 Stinger surface-to-air missiles, which had a devastating effect on Soviet military aircraft. After the Soviets had retreated, however, the CIA spent millions of dollars trying to buy back the remaining missiles from the Afghan fighters.

    According to Bouckaert, the CIA spent up to $100,000 a piece to reacquire the Stingers.;page=2

    All it takes is money it would seem.

  29. 35

    Michael spews:


    Stop gasping for breath, the lack of oxygen is effecting your brain. It’s pretty hard for the US to lose 20K missiles it never had.

    Yes, a handful of Democrats were against the war. But, you’re a rightie making a rightwing claim. So lets focus on the righties. Had the right wing gotten their way not only would the missiles have gone missing, we wouldn’t even know about it.

    Yes, Momar’s still on the loose, but it’s clear that the Libyan people are shut of him.

    I don’t see any reason we should defend Obama’s actions, the US played a role in getting a really horrid tyrant out of power. A really horrid tyrant that plenty of American Righties were starting to cozy up too. ;-)

    There’s two choices here. The US could have followed the lead of the right who had been cozying up to Momar and done nothing or they could go the Obama route. I’m glad we went the Obama route. See you can have it the one way or you can have it the other way, but you can’t have it both ways. Some times you’ve got to choose a side.

  30. 36

    rhp6033 spews:

    Let’s not try to make this any more complicated than it already is.

    Some wingnut is claiming that 20,000 missles which were supplied to the Libyans by the Soviets and then lost by the Libyan Army in the course of a revolution are Obama’s fault.

    That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about our local wingnuts. They blame Obama for everything without regard for the facts.

    “Res Ipsa Loquitor”. The thing speaks for itself.

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    Puddybud, DUMMOCRAPTS love anarchy spews:

    That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about our local wingnuts. They blame Obama for everything without regard for the facts.

    Well you ran out of excuses to blame GW Bush 1/20/2009. Turn about is “fair play”.

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    Turd for brains ButtPutty's dead goat spews:

    The PuddPounder pukes:
    Well you ran out of excuses to blame GW Bush 1/20/2009. Turn about is “fair play”.

    Kind of like you turds stopped blaming Bill Clinton for everything on 1/20/2001.

  33. 42

    Turd for brains ButtPutty's dead goat spews:

    And here is a more recent bikini graph. Jobs are coming back, no thanks to the Rethugs best efforts in the House to tank the economy.

    And that reminds me. The Rethugs said give them the House and they’ll work on jobs. What have they done to create jobs? Nada, though to give them some credit, they have tried to kill some aviation jobs.