Open Thread

- Darryl has already mentioned The Stranger’s endorsements. Also, Cascade Bikes and NARAL.

– Jim McDermott on how hitting the debt ceiling might cause a ripple effect to the UW.

– Dear drivers, for the love of God, stop hitting cyclists.

– In case you were concerned that the News Corp scandal wasn’t seedy enough (h/t).

– It’s 2011, and cankles are still a thing human beings talk about. About cabinet officials no less.



  1. 2

    Steve spews:

    I took at look at the (un)SP site to see what the thick-skulled Pudge was wrong about this week (the constitution, as usual), and who was lying to him (anybody who didn’t agree). Quickly bored by it all, I thought I’d do a search to see what they had to say about the Rachel Beckwith donation drive, either in a post or the comment threads. I thought it might be refreshing to see wingnuts talk about something positive for a change, rather than their usual rabid hatred of this or that. The search turned up absolutely nothing. Maybe they have a shitty search engine. Or maybe all they can talk about over there is their rabid hatred of this or that. Here on HA, the only mention of Rachel I’ve seen by a wingnut was when Americafirst (the Klynical Klown) used her to attack me. Delusional, as usual, the Klown went on and on about how I’m a billionaire (huh?) who won’t donate $100,000 to Rachel.

    I’ve long tried to find something to like about these wingnuts. You’ve all seen me reach out to them. But, really, there’s nothing there to like. I come to believe that they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I reckon that’s what happens to those who immerse themselves in hate.

  2. 3


    Thanks for the link Steve…I hit it today.

    Yep…you are absolutely right. There is no empathy for anyone coming from the right. If you have nothing, it’s your fault. This society that used to be the envy of the world for fairness and justice (well at least we TRIED…) is coming apart. The greed and selfishness introduced as a value by Reagan is destroying us. The toxic atmosphere of hate promoted by the Republican Party is a cancer.

    I wish I saw a way out.

  3. 4


    RichPeopleFirst is the Klynical Klown??? Interesting.. Why the change in style?

    Where’s “KLOWN”? Where’s “leftist pinhead”? Where’s the daily Rasmussen?

    SOB must have popped a vein in his pinhead.

  4. 5

    rhp6033 spews:

    I posted this on a thread yesterday (or was it two days ago?), but with events in Congress heading directly into a collission with a stationary object, I think it’s worth posting again…

    The Tea Party advocates within the Republican Party claim to represent the ideals of the Founding Fathers. But some are actually encouraging a default: some say it would be a way to push the “re-boot” button on the American economy. Others merely hope to use it as a campaign tactic against the President.

    So it is a bit ironic that in the book I happened to be reading, I came across a discussion of the problems of the budget and financing the Revolutionary War.

    In 1777 the rapidly depreciating “Continental” paper currency was causing huge price increases, and the Congress resolved that it could no longer continue issue paper money (backed only by the Congress’ “credit”), and instead use taxes to raise the needed money to fund the war. But since Congress had no power to impose a tax itself, it was compelled to ask each of the states to do it for them, and to remit the money to Congress so it could pay it’s bills.

    In a resolution issued to each of the states in 1777, the Congress stated:

    “A bankrupt faithless republic would be a novelty to the political world, and appear among reputable nations like a common prostitute among chaste and respectable matrons….The pride of America revolts from the idea, her citizens know for what purposes these emissions were made, and have repeatedly plighted their faith for the redemption of them… knowing the value of national character, and impressed with a dues sense of the immutable laws of justice and honor, it is impossible that America should think without horror of such an execrable deed”.

    Source: Rappleye, Charles, “Robert Morris: Financier of the American Revolution”, Simon & Shuster, N.Y., 2010, page 190.

    It seems that once again, the Tea Party folks only take what lessons they want to learn from the actual Founding Fathers, and ignore those which are inconvenient for them to remember.

  5. 6

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Hey! Remember when Republican leadership prevented the deadliest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, maintained a balanced budget handed to them by an evil blow-job loving Democrat and then deftly avoided the worst global economic melt down since the Great Depression? Me neither!

    But with 4 days left until the likely first time ever default on US debt, Republican leadership has another new and wonderful plan to avoid it.

    Let me be the first to predict that this will go well.

    And in related news … Republican theologians have determined that King Solomon should have cut the baby in half. 2 halves are better than 1!!!

  6. 7

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Just heard the news:

    The hobbits want a new House Speaker. Looks like Eric Cancer is next in line. Wonder how long Cancer will last? Until the death of the country?

  7. 8

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:


    Moody’s and S&P warn about possible downgrading US credit rating.

    That was the good news.

    The real creditors who buy US debt say they don’t care about the Moody’s and S&P ratings, they think the US has already lost it’s AAA rating and will be acting accordingly.

    What has not yet been spoken about yet is how much the US will be downgraded.

    There is talk that the downgrade will cost the US on the order of 700,000 jobs. Let us hope the jobs lost all belong to the hobbits and their Teahadist supporters who have worked so hard for this result.

  8. 9

    Steve spews:

    @4 Yeah, I’m convinced. He can change his screen name, and he can change his Klown act, but he’ll never be able to hide teh stupid.

    Darryl might be able to confirm.

  9. 12

    Michael spews:

    No more Truck Nuts in South Carolina, what’s a redneck to do?
    I love to talk about truck nuts, probably for the same reason that racists love to talk about crime rates in the ghetto. Regardless of why, I just can’t get enough of the phenomenon of people affixing plastic testicles to their motor vehicles.

    Obviously, I think people should be free to do pretty much whatever they want when it comes to decorating their vehicles. So I find the truck nuts story circulating around the blogosphere very disturbing. Apparently, a South Carolina woman was given a $445 ticket for her truck’s nuts. Her story is making news, because she’s secured a jury trial to protest the ticket.

    So, for those playing along at home, South Carolina will defend to the death your right to display the Confederate Flag, the symbol of a regime committed to slavery and racial oppression, but plastic testicles is a bridge too far.

  10. 13

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Those of you who live in the 8th Congressional district or know of someone who does, don’t forget to give Dave’s office a jingle to let him know how you feel about his willingness to ride along in the Clown Car.

    (202) 225-7761

    And of course, drop him a line at

  11. 14

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 8: There are quite a few employee pension plans, government entities, etc. which are required by law to invest only in AAA rated securities and bonds. If T-bills get downgraded, they will have to divest themselves of them rather quickly – in what will turn out to be fire-sale prices.

    Which is why the Univ. of Washington, King County, and the City of Seattle are being threatened with a credit downgrade, as well. Although their finances are on a generally firm footing, the downgrade would significantly reduce the savings they hold for endowments, benefits for future retirees under pension plans, etc. They would be forced to make up those funds with cuts to services, tax increases, or fee increases.

    Which just goes to show that today’s freshman Republican class must have slept through Econ 101 class: they never learned that “There’s no such thing as a free lunch”. If the nation defaults, the average taxpayer is going to end up paying for it one way or another.

  12. 16

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    15. proud leftist spews:
    Plus, AF’s posts just reek of goat. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence.

    Goat? Or maybe sheep?

  13. 17

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    The good news keeps on flowing. Thank you Rethugs. Hobbits on the move and thinking about you.

  14. 18

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    How did we get in this mess?

    Benjamin Franklin warned us exactly how we could screw this up. He said, “When the people discover they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

    Dick Cheney said, “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter. We won the (2002) midterms. This is our due.”

  15. 20

    rhp6033 spews:

    One of the ironic things about quoting from Robert Morris is that he was an ardent free-marketer, probably the wealthiest and most successful trader, financier, and free-market advocate of his era. When Pennsylvania politics were torn between the various factions during the American Revolution, he and his colleagues formed “The Republican Society”, which is the precursor of the “Nationalist Party”, which later became the “Federalists”. His fellow-thinkers included Alexander Hamilton and John Jay.

    When Congress appointed Morris as the nation’s first “Minister of Finance” (about 1880), he had to juggle the problems caused by funding the debt through paper currency, loans from the public and foreign sovereigns (France and Spain), and the numerous receipts for requisitions issued by the various national and state quartermasters, as well as officers in charge of foraging expeditions. As a representative in the Pennsylvania legislature, he forged a hard-won compromise to restructure the state’s fiscal policy around three central planks: the repeal and repudiation of tender laws for paper currency (i.e., allowing it’s value to “float”; the repeal of all embargos and restrictions on trade (originally enacted in a vain attempt to hold down the rising price of flour); and a levy of two hundred thousand pounds in taxes, collectable in hard currency.

    As Minister of Finance, he pushed hard for a similar program in Congress. When Connecticut governor John Trumbull objected that times were tough, and taxes, especially those required to be paid in hard currency, were especially hard on the inhabitants. Morris responded:

    “The Fact is that Men will always find a Use for all the Money they can get hold of, and more. A Tax Gatherer therefore will always be an unwelcome Guest because his demand must necessarily interfere with some pleasurable, or profitable Pursuit. Hundreds who cannot find Money to pay Taxes, can find it to purchase useless Gew Gaws, and expend much more in the Gratification of Vanity, Luxury, Drunkenness, and Debaucher than is necessary to establish the Freedome of their Country.”

    Rappleye, Charles, Robert Morris: Financier of the American Revolution, Simon & Shuster, N.Y., N.Y., (2010), p.250.

    In an era where the current Republican tax policy is to protect the richest Americans from paying their fair share so they can spend it on more houses than they can count, yachts, vacations to foreign destinations, obscenely expensive designer shoes and clothing, etc., these comments seem quite appropriate to the times.

  16. 21

    W. Klingon Skousen's log removal service spews:

    There are wingnuts who think that beating the August 3rd deadline is so that Obama can spend millions on his own birthday party.

    I guess I underestimated their perspicacity.

  17. 25

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Remember when Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.'”

    Turns out he was half right. When those nine words are spoken to you by a Republican, be afraid. Be very afraid.

  18. 27

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Where have all the trolls gone? Biggest event in years is happening, breaking the good credit of the nation, and they all up and disappear.

    I was right. They are Koch whores and their masters have called them away to crap on another list somewhere else that their masters think is more important.

  19. 28

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    We know ButtPutty lies all the time. How much has he lied about himself. He’s claimed:

    Married 20+ years
    Big dick
    Loves Pussy
    Flies a lot

    Anybody else have anything to add to the list?

  20. 29



    To: PuddySilly
    Fr: YLB

    … G E O R G E S O R O S …

    George Soros, the billionaire best known for breaking the Bank of England, is returning money to outside investors in his $25.5 billion firm, ending a career as hedge-fund manager that spanned more than four decades.
    Soros, who turns 81 next month, will hand back the money, less than $1 billion, by the end of the year, according to two people briefed on the matter. …

    But why????

    Soros’s sons said they took the decision because new financial regulations would have made it necessary for the firm to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission by March 2012 if it continued to manage money for outsiders. Because the firm has overseen mostly family assets since 2000, when outside money accounted for about $4 billion, they decided it made more sense to run it as a family office, according to the letter.
    The rule calls for hedge funds with more than $150 million in assets to report information about their investors and employees, the assets they manage, potential conflicts of interest and their activities outside of fund advising. Registered funds will also be subject to periodic inspections by the SEC.

    Huh??? Dodd-Frank made Soros close shop??

    How could that be? I thought the “Puppetmaster” had the Dems in his pocket???

    I’m sure you’ll find a way to credit Beck with this new development Puddydope. We all rely on you for the latest in fevered batshit insane right wing ding conspiracy theories.

  21. 31

    Steve spews:

    Wingnuts and nine-year old little girls. Sure, there’s all the wingnut pedophiles, but it gets worse that that. And maybe even stranger. Yes, of course it does. We’re talkin’ wingnuts here.

    You see, sometimes they murder little girls. I’m sure the loss of nne year-old Christina Taylor Green, who was killed at the Gifford shooting, is still fresh in our minds, but let’s not forget little nine year-old Bresina Flores. From the Crooks & Liars account of the testimony of her mother at the trial of now convicted murderer, wingnut Shawna Forde,

    She testified about people posing as law enforcement officers coming into her home and shooting and killing her husband, Raul “Junior” Flores, shooting and wounding her, then turning the gun on their 9-year old daughter Brisenia.

    “He’s all out of bullets by then because he’s used them on me and Junior. So he stands there and he loads the gun right in front of her (Brisenia),” Gonzalez says.

    Prosecutor Kellie Johnson asks, “And is this something you can see happening?”

    Gonzalez answers, “I can hear it happening. I can hear her telling him to ‘please don’t shoot me.'”

    The child is shot and killed.

    Wingnuts. We all saw how the loon reacted so pathetically after the Giffords tragedy. Even over the last few days it was, what wingnut violence?? He insists there is none. (un)SP apparent has no inclination to interrupt the hate long enough to acknowledge the remarkable story of Rachel, who captured the hearts of so many people that thousands from all over the worlds have contributed to her cause. As for Shawna Forde and (un)SP, well, that one’s so weird, I need someone to explain it to me. As for the loon, I forget, did he claim Forde was a member of the Democratic party? If so, which wing was it? Was it the Timothy McVeigh Wing, or did she somehow end up in the Alan Greenspan/Richard Armitage Wing? Or did he just go into complete denial and never touch the subject at all. Shawna Forde, the name that shall not be spoken.

    So anyways, it struck me that, when it comes to how they relate to nine year-old girls, wingnuts seem to only display some serious issues. This isn’t Psych 101 stuff. I believe this goes beyond any previously acknowledged wingnut neuroses. Hmm.

  22. 32

    Steve spews:

    @28 I’d say that Ike and Tina’s “river deep, mountain high” phrase would be an apt description of the loon’s personal issues. His is the stuff of a doctoral thesis.

  23. 33

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Donald Trump, Rethug Presidential hopeful, involved in multiple lawsuits, as the defendant.

    The more you look at The Donald, the more it becomes obvious The Donald is just the Presidential candidate the Rethugs are looking for. He’s a crook. He’s one of them.

  24. 34

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    well, the Boner managed to get enough hobbits on board his bill to get it passed. The price apparently included Pell grants. No Dems voted for it.

    The bill is said to be DOA when gets to the Senate.

  25. 35

    rhp6033 spews:

    MSNBC is reporting that the Senate will invoke cloiture on it’s bill at 11:59 p.m. Saturday night, and vote at 1:00 a.m. Sunday morning. It will, of course, be immediately rejected in the House.

    At which point the House and Senate leadership can get together to try to agree on a reconciliation bill. Which will probably get rejected by the Tea Party in the House, as well.

    Seriously, this isn’t looking good. Roger Rabbit’s going to make a bundle when the stock market closes Monday, with this being at an impasse. He’ll be able to pick up stocks for pennies on the dollar.

    Funny how Democrats need a majority in the House, a super-majority in the Senate, and the presidency to get even routine legislation passed and appointments confirmed. Yet Republicans can still flush the American economy into the toilet with only a majority in the House.

    A balanced budget amendment???? Seriously?????

  26. 36

    rhp6033 spews:

    Tea Party Republicans definition of compromise. “I get everything I want, no matter how unreasonable. If you agree to it, it means I haven’t asked for enough, so I will go back and ask for more. It’s up to you to compromise by giving me everything I demand”.

    Gee, my kids acted better than this when they were three-year olds. Republicans parents must really spoil their kids.

  27. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I saw a bicyclist get injured this afternoon in north Seattle. He was laying on the sidewalk next to his bike. He wasn’t moving. A woman stopped her car, got out, and stood over him, talking on her cell phone. I assume she was calling an aid car. I didn’t see the accident, but Mrs. Rabbit said she saw the cyclist go flying across the intersection at high speed and there were no cars nearby. We surmise he hit the curb on the far side and was thrown. The woman apparently was a good samaritan who stopped to render assistance, and we don’t believe she was involved in the accident. This unfortunate incident appears to have resulted from the bicyclist’s own recklessness. Bicycles can reach speeds in excess of 30 mph, and yes, cyclist can hurt themselves and others if they put speed above safety. You have to treat a bicycle as though it were a car.

  28. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Yep, Boner caved in to the Teahadists and made an unacceptable bill even more unacceptable by tacking a balanced-budget amendment back onto it. The GOP bill would finance the government only until next spring, and then throw the government and economy back into crisis in the middle of a presidential election campaign by holding the economy hostage for passage of a balanced budget amendment. This is the most obscene thuggery perpetrated by a Congress since the days of slavery.

    Now let’s take a look at exactly what a balanced budget amendment is. It means the people’s elected representatives can’t represent the people. It locks the country into the kind of economic policies that plunged us into the Great Depression in the 1930s.

    But here’s the real kicker of the GOP bill: After REPUBLICANS plunged us into $14 trillion of debt with their reckless spending, they’re using the debt THEY created to tear up the social contract and say, in effect, only the richest 1% will be able to live anything resembling the American Dream and the rest of us have to be their wage-slaves for life.


    Let ‘em take the economy down. The already-rich, who own most of this country, are the ones with the most to lose — so let’s watch them lose it. And I won’t shed a tear for them.

  29. 39

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:


    We are in for a couple hundred Steve…keep posting updates please.

  30. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @35 I’m not rapturously happy about what’s going on, but I might as well profit from it. If I don’t, someone else will, most likely foreigners who hate us. By buying stocks from rich but cash-squeezed Republicans for only pennies on the dollar, I’m keeping ownership of those companies in this country, and nothing could be more patriotic than that.

  31. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I have a list of target stocks all ready to hop onto, and by the end of next week, some of those companies may be under new management.

  32. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Boner Bill passed without a single Democratic vote, and Senate leaders promised to block it. Even without the balanced-budget scam, this bill would have gone nowhere.

    Republicans have taken the U.S. economy hostage and are holding a gun to its head. Their demand is that we make senior seniors, the poor, and students pay for the GOP’s reckless and spending during the Bush years.

    This is war. This is what the “civil war” that Newt Gingrich declared on the American people in 1988 actually looks like. There is no way Democrats can agree to this, because doing so would turn them into Republicans.

    You all know the rules for dealing with hostage-takers, right? You don’t bargain with them. You don’t give in to their demands. The only possible way to deal with hostage-takers is to sacrifice the hostages, if necessary — then take them down.

    Last year, the Republicans who are perpetrating this promised voters jobs. What the voters got instead was blackmail, extortion, bullying, and tyranny. Yes, tyranny — that’s the right word for a one-third minority that tries to impose its self-aggrandizing will on a two-thirds majority by coercion and force.

    This is what elections are for, folks. We’ve got one next year. If the American people fail to evict Republicans from power in 2012, they will deserve whatever happens next.

  33. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    But as long as this shit’s gonna come down anyway, I might as well make money from it, especially considering I’m taking it from rich Republicans. You know the old saying, a fool and his money are soon parted.

  34. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The stock market was down only 96 Dow points today, but buying opportunities should improve further next week, after investors realize the GOPers really are as crazy as they look.

  35. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 She’s at $653,512 right now, and the money is coming in at a rate of about $100,000 a day.

  36. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @39 Thank you for your contribution — you can follow the progress of little Rachel’s fundraising drive at the link Steve posted @1.

  37. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I think it’s wonderful that congressional Republicans are pulling this bullshit just one week before six Republican state senators in Wisconsin have to face recall elections.

    Wisconsin voters can’t recall their own Republican congressmen, let alone those from other states, but they sure as hell can take out their frustration on those GOP state senators.

    And I’ll bet they’re gonna do exactly that.

  38. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin polling data shows a steady trend toward the Democratic challengers. The last time I posted on this subject, Democrats led in 3 races and Republicans led in 3 races. The latest polling data now shows Democrats leading in 4 races and Republicans in 2, and the lead of the GOP heavyweight, Sen. Alberta Darling, has dropped from 5 points to 2 points. Right now, all 6 races look winnable for the Democrats.

    This election will be on Aug. 9, exactly one week after congressional Republicans plunge our nation into fiscal default and economic chaos, which now looks like an almost sure thing. There’s another recall election on Aug. 16 with 2 Democratic state senate seats at stake, but Democrats should win at least 1 of those easily, and in the lone competitive race against a Democratic incumbent, the GOP is running a deeply flawed candidate. However, to be on the safe side, I’ve been assuming the Democrats may lose 1 seat on Aug. 16.

    What this means is that Democrats need to win only 4 of the 6 contests on Aug. 9 to take control of the state senate, and victories in 5 of the 6 races (or all 6) would make it a mathematical impossibility for the GOP to retain senate conrol — even if they won both of the Aug. 16 races.

    So, ending Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s ability to pass legislation next month looks like a real possibility. And Walker himself is likely to face his own recall election next year.

  39. 50

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 49: Just out of curiosity, how do the mechanics of the recalls work? When do the incumbents leave office, and the challengers take over?

    It wouldn’t doubt that Walker and his gang of thieves might well try to use a “lame duck” Senate to push through the worst of his agenda.

  40. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @50 I don’t know the answer to that question off the top of my head, but in googling it, I found this interesting item:

    “While we are closing out the Wisconsin recall campaign with Google Blasts, the Tea Party Express is bringing in Joe the Plumber:

    “The Tea Party Express — along with Joe the Plumber — will be rolling through Wisconsin starting next week to support the six Republican state senators targeted in the upcoming recall elections.

    “Why? According to their website, because of the honesty and integrity of the state senators involved:

    Six Wisconsin State Senators that have represented their constituents with honesty and integrity are under attack from the left. They have engaged in productive debate and advocated for fiscally responsible solutions to Wisconsin’s financial woes.

    “Yep, honesty, integrity and fiscal responsibility like getting state jobs with massive raises for their mistresses:

    “A state worker with ties to Sen. Randy Hopper is being paid $11,000 more annually than her predecessor in a position at the department of regulation and licensing.

    “State officials said the woman, 26, was hired to a limited term, communications specialist position last month, with a salary equivalent to $42,328 annually. State officials Friday said the woman’s predecessor left the position in January, with a salary equivalent to $31,200 annually. No explanation was given for the new hire’s higher pay.”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: A Wisconsin GOP senator’s MISTRESS was hired for a state job with an INSTANT 35.67% pay raise! THAT’s how Gov. Scott Walker is “balancing” his state’s budget.

    Oh yeah, one more thing, here’s a link to Sen. Hopper’s personal website, in which he complains about teacher unions wasting public money:

  41. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In Other News …

    Remember ex-astronaut Lisa “Diaper Lady” Nowak, who lost her astronaut gig as a result of getting involved in a messy love triangle with a fellow astro? Well, she’s completely out of a job now — the Navy just discharged her “under less than honorable conditions” with a reduction in rank and pay.

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Personally, I think this lady has some issues.

  42. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    On Other Weird News …

    Until 30 seconds ago, I didn’t know that TP is a four billion buck a year industry, and that Georgia Pacific was suing Kimberly Clark for allegedly stealing its toilet paper design. We now have the court’s ruling:

    “While the arguments involved such qualities as puffiness, bulk, absorption and ‘nesting,’ the tissue issue came down to functionality. The court ruled that Georgia-Pacific’s Quilted Diamond Design is functional and therefore cannot be trademarked.”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: After you’ve broken a few ribs from laughing so hard, and go to the doctor to get your rib cage trussed up, consider this: There’s actually some, uh, what you might call “food for thought,” that is to say, some real intellectual content here for, you know, intellectual property lawyers. I’m sure they find this fascinating. To be perfectly honest, I think it’s sort of interesting. But then, I’m a lawyer, and you non-lawyers have no fucking idea what a lawyer might get interested in. We’re different from you.

  43. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Okay, so you can’t patent shit paper and the GOPers put a balanced budget constitutional amendment in their debt bill to make sure it would fail in the Senate. And some guy found a flying saucer on the seabed. This has been a strange news day. But what’s REALLY strange about it is the Dow was down only 96 points today. Apparently an awful lot of investors out there are Pollyannas who still don’t believe the GOPers are going to drive the economy off a cliff. Boy, are they in for an awakening …

  44. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    For you debt wonks, here’s an interesting article:

    Bottom line: We don’t have a $4 trillion problem, we have a $15 trillion problem, and even the most muscular debt reduction now under discussion barely dents it.

    So why would Roger Rabbit buy stocks in U.S. companies in this environment? Simple: A growing number of U.S. corporations are earning a growing share of their revenues and profits OVERSEAS. Believe me, the CEOs who shipped millions of U.S. jobs to other countries saw this coming: Americans aren’t going to be workers or consumers in the future; the growing markets are in the countries they shipped all of our American jobs to. These guys had amazing foresight, didn’t they? Well, I have foresight, too — maybe not as laser-keen as theirs, but I know how to read, and when I read that tens of millions of U.S. jobs are going overseas and U.S. companies are making money hand over fist in so-called “emerging markets,” even a rabbit with a golf-ball-sized brain can figure out that when Republicans deliberately tank the U.S. economy and force their fellow Republicans to sell their stocks for a song, those stocks are a damn good deal. Even a rabbit can see that. But Republicans can’t.

  45. 58

    americafirst spews:

    @1. Steve spews:
    Donations to Rachel Beckwith’s cause have now topped $600,000.
    If yu haven’t chipped in yet, I hope that you will do so soon.
    Billionaire, I should not have to remind you that you should chip in that $100K you have; you should use your wealth for more than gambling;

    17. Steve spews:
    @8 As somone involved in billions of dollars worth of development, I can tell you that development is no more a good in itself than any other value. Development is only good when and if it is good. This is Gig Harbor’s call, not yours and not the developer’s. Gig Harbor doesn’t want the big box. You’ve got issues with that? Tough shit.
    As for your “I bet 99% of you” remark, would you care to back that up with a $100K bet? If not, then crawl back in your shit hole and STFU.
    07/22/2011 at 6:44 am

    When are you going to donate that $100K of yours, you effing phoney.

  46. 59

    Steve spews:

    @51 “THAT’s how Gov. Scott Walker is “balancing” his state’s budget.”

    Maybe you did’t know, Roger, but Scott Walker has a bit of a history with pay raises, going back to his days as county exec. Try Googling “Scott Walker pay raises” and you’ll see what I’m talking about. The guy’s a wingnut. So of course he’s a hypocrite.

  47. 60

    Steve spews:

    LMFAO!! It looks like Klynical Klown got drunk early tonight. Ooh, and he’s bitter, too. Fucking A! The Klown’s been driven to drink. What’s the problem, Klown?

    Explain to me, oh delusional one, exactly how does my being involved in billions of dollars of construction make me a billionaire? Lay out your reasoning. heh. This ought to be good for a laugh.

    Geez, Max, you must be a billionaire too. How about we pool our resources and take over this blog? I’ll give you top billing.

  48. 61

    Steve spews:

    You see, you guys, I told you the Klown was back. And it looks like his mind must have continued deteriorating while he was gone. Damn, there can’t be much left at this point. I just hope there’s enough of his mind left for this thought to register with him,

    “Baaaaa!” means “NO!”, you fucking twit!

  49. 64

    Steve spews:

    Speaking of Rachel, at this time $676,737 has been donated by nearly 20,000 donors from around the world.

    She will be remembered as a little girl, but she was and always will be an Angel.

  50. 65

    Steve spews:

    @63 Still no mention, huh? I had looked earlier today, refer to my comment @2. I reckon they’re not the type that would have any interest in helping those less fortunate than themselves, or to give note to this little girl who did. Obviously, it’s not the Randian thing to do. There’s nothing in it for them.

    Have you any doubts left that Americafirst is the goatfucking Klown?

  51. 66

    Steve spews:

    It has occurred to me that it’s possible that Klynical isn’t passed out from too much drink. There’s probably a better chance that, after my latest smackdown, he headed out to the barn to recharge his batteries.

  52. 67

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    The US Senate just showed us that while Republicans & Democrats agree on very little, there is bipartisan agreement that Boehner & the House Republicans are a bunch of Horse Asses.

  53. 69

    Michael spews:

    1. Yep, smacking a curb can send you flying. Only a small percentage of cycling accidents involve cars. Most are just single bike wrecks that result in no or minor injuries.

    2.That’s why we responsible riders refer to it as driving your bike.

    3. It’s a bit of a dog bites man story. People do all sorts of irresponsible stuff while driving their cars, people get hurt & killed because of it and you hardly hear anything about it. But, someone wrecks on their bike and people carry on about it. A responsible cyclist is anywhere from just as safe as someone in a car to a little safer.

    3a. A huge chunk of bicycling fatalities are people who are riding the wrong way, at night, with no lights. These tend to be poor folks, homeless people, and drunk college students.

    4. What’s up with Seattle? I’m always amazed at how much bad cycling behavior I see when I visit Seattle.

  54. 70

    Michael spews:

    There’s a pretty good post about Spokane’s upcoming election over at the Spovangelist.
    JULY 29, 2011 2 COMMENTS

    Sandwiched in between rainbow sprinkles and Connor Oberst on the “Things That Get the Spovangelist Crew Hot” list, you’ll find off-year primary elections.

    To be honest, presidential elections leave us lukewarm. Cold, even, some years. But there’s so much to love about local-level politics.

  55. 71

    Steve spews:

    The most inconsiderate cyclists I ever encountered were in Palo Alto. The rules of the road simply did not apply to many of them. It was like they were just begging to die, and every now and then a driver and car would oblige one of them.

  56. 72

    Michael spews:

    @69 I suppose if you’re a poor, drunken, homeless, college student, you’re pretty much fucked if you get near a bicycle.

  57. 73

    Michael spews:

    Do they smoke a lot of weed in Palo Alto? Maybe they were all stoned.

    I heard a lot of good stuff about northern CA and went down there to check things out and hang out a bit and was completely turned off by all the stoners and mooches. After a couple of days I made a bee-line for Kings Canyon NP and was much happier. I love Kings Canyon.

  58. 74

    Steve spews:

    “These tend to be poor folks, homeless people, and drunk college students.”

    Geez, between bicycles and Republicans, these folks are fucked.

  59. 75

    Steve spews:

    @73 Actually, I don’t know. It didn’t seem like it. I didn’t know anybody who smoked pot. But then, I didn’t know very many people.

    I came to love Northern California, especially Carmel. A friend at Stanford would let me use her cottage down there whenever I wanted. What a beautiful little town that is.

  60. 76

    Steve spews:

    So anyways, Mikeboyscout, what was the thing with (un)SP and Shawna Forde? Wingnut denial?

  61. 77

    Michael spews:

    Is Carmel northern? I always thought that was central. I spent a week hanging around between San Francisco and San Luis Obispo, CA once. Beautiful country.

    The stoned moochers were up around Eureka, Arcata and all that.

  62. 79

    americafirst spews:

    @60. Steve spews:
    Explain to me, oh delusional one, exactly how does my being involved in billions of dollars of construction make me a billionaire? Lay out your reasoning. heh. This ought to be good for a laugh.
    How about this, billionaire;
    @65. Steve spews:

    “I could care less what you believe about “billions of dollars worth of development”. Hmm, I think Max was on Redwest, Pebble and Augusta. That’d be a billion for about four years work. Throw in Troon, Pinehurst, Buildings 27 and 28 and that’d be almost another billion. That’s just the project I might have shared with Max. I’ve probably done ten times that in my career so far.”

    Or this,

    @66. Steve spews:

    “Oh, I forgot MS Studios and the data center on Canyon. Another half billion. Fuck, Klown, that’s all from just one client. And you? You’ve got nothing. Take your weak shit somewhere else.”

    You wouldn’t lie to us would you, donate that $100K you say you have to bet with,you effing phoney.

  63. 80

    Steve spews:

    I see that your mind is rapidly deteriorating. Bad news for the goat, no doubt.

    As an enginerr, I have been involved with many projects. As I said, I have been involved in billions of dollars worth of projects. So has my friend Max. We have different roles, but we’re both involved in the same projects. Explain how, in your mind, being involved in projects worth billions makes Max and I both billionaires. Please respond quickly, Klown, before you lose the ability to process even the simplest of thoughts.

  64. 81

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @76. Steve on 07/29/2011 at 7:56 pm

    Not sure what you are referring to exactly.
    The (un)Sound peanut gallery liked her work and smudge seemed to think she had been persecuted.

  65. 82

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    fuck, I hope the IRS doesnt see this thread…or I’m screwed!

    Steve, you doing any current work with the big airplane maker? Cant remember if I asked you once before or not.

  66. 83

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    Hmm, I think Max was on Redwest, Pebble and Augusta. That’d be a billion for about four years work. Throw in Troon, Pinehurst, Buildings 27 and 28

    seems like a lifetime ago….

  67. 84

    americafirst spews:

    @80. Steve spews:
    As an enginerr, I have been involved with many projects. As I said, I have been involved in billions of dollars worth of projects. So has my friend Max. We have different roles, but we’re both involved in the same projects. Explain how, in your mind, being involved in projects worth billions makes Max and I both billionaires. Please respond quickly, Klown, before you lose the ability to process even the simplest of thoughts.
    Yes, it does look like you were lying about being a big shot, you can’t even spell engineer, but how do you explain your claim that you had $100K to bet;
    “As for your “I bet 99% of you” remark, would you care to back that up with a $100K bet? If not, then crawl back in your shit hole and STFU.”

    Did you donate that $100K yet, or were you lying about having that also, you effing lying phoney?

  68. 85

    Steve spews:

    No, Max, I’ve never done anything with them. A firm I was with did the hangers, but I wasn’t involved. Years ago they approached me about providing lighting design for a space station (I don’t know if it was the space station), but I was headed in other directions, ending up in Palo Alto. I did get in a crack about, “Yeah, I’ve done a bunch of those.”

    heh. It’s a good thing I didn’t work in the space program. There’s no telling how much the Klown would think I’m worth.

    Klown sez, “you can’t even spell engineer”

    Gawd, now you’re reduced to typos.

    “how do you explain your claim that you had $100K”

    Apparently only billionaires have $100K. Hey, if it makes sense to a mindless Klown, it must be tru. Oh shit, another typo. I’m fucked now, for sure.

    Oh my dear God! Delusions about billionaires and hanging onto a typo for dear fucking life. Lord, it must suck to be you. I don’t know how you managed to do it, but your new americafirst act is even dumber than the old Klynical act. I mean, really, who would have ever thought that possible?

    It’s a pleasure watching you lose what’s left of your mind, Klynical. It couldn’t happen to a better guy. Soon you will be incapable of even communicating a single word. But don’t give up even then, as when we see a blank comment show up, we’ll all know that the dumbfuck Klown was here.

  69. 86

    Steve spews:

    “big shot”

    Your life must suck more than I’d imagined if you think an electrical engineer is a “big shot”. To give you a fucking clue, in the world of development and construction, the owner is the big shot. People like Max and I, we work for a living. And people like you? You’re just dumbfuck Klowns.

  70. 87

    Steve spews:

    “seems like a lifetime ago….”

    The years are slipping by, aren’t they? Damn. Worse, it seems that they’re going by faster and faster. Redwest finished in 1995. I can remember when that one finished because Cochran printed up golf shirts with the MS logo, project name, their company name and mine, and “1994-1995″. I still wear it now and then.

    My swing’s coming around. We need to get out and golf, Max. Let’s figure this out and do it soon.

  71. 88

    Gman's Ghost spews:

    NutBaggers. They are a bunch of NutBaggers. I seen some conservative on a show last night that tried to say that the National Debt was only $7 Trillion when GWB left office. Where do these retard come from? They are a bunch of scum of the earth.

  72. 89

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Hey! Remember when Obama took office in the midst of the steepest economic downturn in a generation with GDP dropping and he dramatically increased the Federal debt as a proportion of GDP over George Bush?
    Neither do I!

    Well, I suppose this deficit and debt bull is all a cover up for what the Kenyan-Muslim-Soshuulist usurper had in mind all the time; forcing us all to drive fuel efficient socialist automobiles!

    Under the Obama administration, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has been hammering out an agreement with automakers and the state of California for a new Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standard. Today the EPA announced that a CAFE of 54.5 mpg will be required by 2025, nearly doubling current fuel economy standards.

    We’re doomed!
    Obama imagines a future where real Murkins will either be forced to drive fuel efficient cars of take efficient public transportation.
    If we continue down this path there is a very good chance we will not go to war and drop freedom bombs on some country in the Middle East.
    Doomed, I say!

  73. 90

    americafirst spews:

    @85. Steve spews:
    “how do you explain your claim that you had $100K”

    Apparently only billionaires have $100K. Hey, if it makes sense to a mindless Klown, it must be tru. Oh shit, another typo. I’m fucked now, for sure.
    It was no typo, you lying piece of shit, you made the $100K bet three times;

    “17. Steve spews:
    As for your “I bet 99% of you” remark, would you care to back that up with a $100K bet? If not, then crawl back in your shit hole and STFU,.”

    and here;
    “57. Steve spews:
    “Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney”
    What’s your fucking problem, Klown? Did the goat die or something? I’d rather it had been you.

    Is this too complex for you? You either back up your bullshit and take the bet or you’re going to show us that you’re a fucktard coward. I’d ask which it is, Klown, but I already know the fucking answer,”

    and here,
    “60. Steve spews:
    “Why don’t you chip in that $100K you have, you effing phoney”
    Not a bad idea.
    heh. Have I ever told you that you project too much, Klown? I hear it’s a Psych 101 thing.
    “Don’t try to change the subject, billionaire.”
    Actually, the subject is you not taking the bet. I’m thinking that you’ve got two problems here.
    1. You can’t back up your bullshit.
    2. You don’t have the money.”

    You’re not only a lying phoney, you are a very stupid lying phoney. When are you going to donate that $100K you claimed three times you had, you effing lying phoney?

  74. 92

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Although I’m sitting on a cash hoard anticipating a crash and cheap stock prices, it’s awfully difficult to “time” market moves and timing this one is especially tricky.

    We’ve seen an erosion of stock prices over the last couple months, and especially last week, but the markets haven’t panicked yet. That’s because investors convinced themselves Congress would raise the debt ceiling before the deadline, or if it doesn’t, any default will be “technical” and of short duration. The stock market may continue to hold up for a few days longer. In fact, if congressional negotiators cut a deal over the weekend, we could even see the market bounce back next week.

    Given the impossibility of timing the market or individual stocks, savvy investors looking for the “bottom” usually prefer to wait until they see a turnaround, then start buying on the way back up. But this won’t work in the present scenario, because once the debt ceiling issue is resolved the market will come back all at once, much faster than you can execute trades. That’s because so shares are now bought and sold in huge blocks by pre-programmed supercomputers acting at the speed of light.

    I’m playing the situation by ear. If debt talks remain deadlocked and the market sells off in a big way on Monday, say a drop of 500 or 700 Dow points, I’ll probably spend a third to a half of my cash at that point and hold the rest in reserve. If the market takes a big upswing before I can execute any trades, I’ll probably hold most or all of my cash hoard in reserve for a decline or correction later in the year, because even if the debt ceiling is resolved and a U.S. default is averted, there are still a lot of negative forces out there — a stagnant U.S. recovery, continuing European debt woes, and so on — that could drag the market down later this year. What I want to see is whether my pre-picked stocks reach my target “buy” prices.

    If they don’t, or if I miss the buying opportunity because events move too fast for me to react to them, then it doesn’t hurt to sit on cash for a while because this market — even without the debt drama — probably isn’t going very far for a while. In other words, there’s no urgency to spend cash right now. Nearly all stocks move within a trading range, and you simply wait until the stocks you’re interested in move to the lower end of their trading range, then you buy them.

  75. 93

    Steve spews:

    Good grief, Klown, you’re fast losing it, aren’t you? I’m willing to bet $100K that your mind will be completely gone before the debt ceiling is raised. Normally, that’d be a sad sight to see, witnessing someone’s mind deteriotate to mush. However, with you, it’s jolly fucking good entertainment!

    The show has started. Please pass the popcorn, YLB.

    Oh, and one more time, Klown,

    “Baaaa!” means “NO!”, you stupid goatfucker.

  76. 94

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    Whoda thunk…you and I are TEH EVUL RICH!

    Agreed on the golf..let me see what I can come up with….this summer has been heavily booked(kids are at that age), but I think we should be able to squeeze something in…Im dialing in my stroke for the MCAA and SMACNA tournaments..

  77. 95

    americafirst spews:

    @93. Steve spews:
    You keep trying to change the subject; you made a $100K bet three times and now you claim that it was only a typo, when are you going to explain that, you effing lying phoney.

  78. 96

    Steve spews:

    What a hopeless goatfucker you are, Klown. Sigh! I’ll hope that you still have enough brain cells firing for me refresh your memory. I called you on your stupid “I bet 99% of you” bullshit. I’m ready to toss $100K on the table. The ball is in your court, dumbfuck, and has been ever since you ran away from it. Put up or shut up, fucktard. Until you do, or until you at least fire up enough brain cells to entertain me again, there’s just no point in conversing with you. You’re just too damned feeble-minded these days, Klynical. That makes you boring as hell.

  79. 97

    americafirst spews:

    @96. Steve spews:
    You are a real loon, first you make a $100K bet, then you claim that it was a typo, now you want to bet $100K again. Do you really have $100K to bet with or not, you effing lying phoney loon?

  80. 99

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    We know ButtPutty lies all the time. How much has he lied about himself. He’s claimed:

    Married 20+ years
    Big dick
    Loves Pussy
    Flies a lot

    Well since you’ve never been to a DL when I’m there (5 time visitor) you can’t attest to my

    Married 20+ years – Beautiful wife, who has met some DL attendees in other locations including Roger Dumb Rabbit and Mrs Rabbit and Montanto among some names!
    Tall – Oh yes close to 6’4″
    Handsome – Never a doubt ekimoron
    Big dick – The Mrs can attest to that. But then it’s a normal black man attribute, except for rujax of course. He’s not into marriage per that thread, so must be the lower quadrant didn’t keep them satisfied! HAHAHAHAHAHA
    Loves Pussy – Don’t you? Oh yeah you are a back door goat man. How could I forget.
    Flies a lot – You can ask the HA Leftist Loon Leaders what countries recently I posted from these past few weeks. And BTW with this weeks miles I now qualify for automatic free domestic first class upgrades 120 hours before the flight along with free dig-e-player.

    Sucks to be you ekim. Or as The Hulk would say

    “Puny Human” in more ways than one!