Open Thread

- I don’t know if it’ll come together, but I’m working on something about King County punting on Metro.

- Rachel Beckwith’s story has been discussed in the comments already, but for those who missed it.

- I haven’t said anything about Norway because what I don’t know what I could possibly add. But David Futrelle and William Saletan (h/t) explore the narratives that surrounded him online. Neil Sinhababu notes who might be happy about the whole thing. And Glenn Beck can still go fuck himself (h/t).

- Figgins’ line is “.182/.236/.240 on the season. Each of those numbers feels dramatically worse than the last.

- What scandal?

Comments

  1. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans are reeling after Boehner’s math-challenged scheme to force another debt vote in the middle of next year’s campaign disintegrates in front of his eyes.

    Meanwhile, the stock market isn’t crashing, it’s slowly bleeding to death — at this moment the Dow is down 119 points.

  2. 4

    rhp6033 spews:

    Yet another day passes, and Puddy still refuses to repudiate Beck’s characterization of the victims in Nortway as attendees at a “Hitler Youth Camp”. Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

  3. 5

    Steve spews:

    Good on you, Carl, for including mention of Rachel Beckwith in starting this open thread. It is thousands of small donations that is making this happen. That kid showed us the way, folks. Let’s keep it going.

    Isaiah 11:6
    “A Little Child Shall Lead Them”

  4. 6

    Steve spews:

    “Isaiah 11:6″

    I somehow suspect that you need my help, Goldy, with your selection of verse for this week’s Bible Study. How about instead of setting up your usual Bible bash, how about you post a verse like this and let all of us see you get on board for Rachel’s cause?

  5. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Who Rules America?

    You don’t.

    “In my view, the American dream of striking it rich is merely a well-marketed fantasy that keeps the bottom 99.5% hoping for better and prevents social and political instability. The odds of getting into that top 0.5% are very slim and the door is kept firmly shut by those within it.”

    http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whor.....nager.html

  6. 9

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Yet another day passes, and Puddy still refuses to repudiate Beck’s characterization of the victims in Nortway as attendees at a “Hitler Youth Camp”. Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

    Up yours Cass Sunstein idiot. I’m not in country and I surely skip over some of your horsemanure! Since I have no idea whayt Glenn Beck said and I surely don’t take your words for anything… see his commentary over Jim McDimWitt, when I am free I’ll view Glenn’s comments.

  7. 10

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    But, I do love this article…

    MEDIA MATTERS
    Rachel Maddow, MSNBC sued for defamation
    ‘Left-wing television commentators must be made to respect … the law’

    Don’t read it arschloch. Stay as stupid as always janitor in a drum!

  8. 11

    rhp6033 spews:

    The Tea Party advocates within the Republican Party and in Congress claim to represent the ideals of the Founding Fathers. But some are actually encouraging a default: some say it would be a way to push the “re-boot” button on the American economy, others merely hope to use it as a campaign tactic against the president.

    So it is a bit ironic that in the book I happened to be reading before work this morning, I came across a discussion of the problems of the budget and financing the Revolutionary War. In 1777 the rapidly depreciating “Continental” paper currency was causing huge price increases, and the Congress resolved that it could no longer continue issue paper money (basically, on “credit”), and instead use taxes to raise the needed money to fund the war. But since Congress had no power to impose a tax itself, it was compelled to ask each of the states to do it for them, and to remit the money to Congress so it could pay it’s bills.

    In a resolution issued to each of the states in 1777, the Congress stated:

    “A bankrupt faithless republic would be a novelty to the political world, and appear among reputable nations like a common prostitute among chaste and respectable matrons….The pride of America revolts from the idea, her citizens know for what purposes these emissions were made, and have repeatedly plighted their faith for the redemption of them… knowing the value of national character, and impressed with a dues sense of the immutable laws of justice and honor, it is impossible that America should think without horror of such an execrable deed”.

    Source: Rappleye, Charles, “Robert Morris: Financier of the American Revolution”, Simon & Shuster, N.Y., 2010, page 190.

    It seems that once again, the Tea Party folks only take what lessons they want to learn from the actual Founding Fathers, and ignore those which are inconvenient for them to remember.

  9. 12

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    And Oh I really love this story…

    Another do as I say not as I do DUMMOCRAPTIC! Arschloch don’t read this one either…

    New regulations require hedge funds with more than $150m under management to report details about investments, employees and investors, and also makes them subject to possible inspections by the SEC. Mr Soros’ decision contrasts with his own reputation as an advocate for both government and corporate transparency.

    Running away from Dodd-Frank becuz it will expose his left-wing dealings with so many leftist pinhead web sites

  10. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy @ # 9 said: “I’m not in country and I surely skip over some of your horsemanure!”

    Well, I skip over most of your comments also, since a majority of them are simply indecipherable. But it’s been almost two days now, and I’ve made repeated calls on you to repudiate Beck’s comments, and you’ve danced back and forth on this board commenting on posts on that thread and others, including some comments by me, so the “out of country” excuse doesn’t cut it.

    Besides, Beck’s comments have been all over the news for the past three days.

    Speak plainly. Do you condemn Beck, try to excuse him, or agree with him?

  11. 14

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy: While we are at it, do you agree or disagree with the thoughts of the Founding Fathers on the consequences of a default on the national debt, as evidenced by their own proclamation in 1777? Or do you dismiss that and accept the Tea Party claim that causing a national default is an acceptable tactic in a political dispute?

  12. 15

    Ekim spews:

    RR @7, very good find.

    The lowest two quintiles hold just 0.3% of the wealth in the United States.

    Obviously, the bottom 20% need to give up their 0.3% share for the good of the country.

  13. 16

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Hmmm… it seems there may be some truth to the leftist PINHEAD Piers Morgan involved in phone hacking at The Daily Mirror. It seems the Brits are on the case. All the way from back in 2002. So why hasn’t Media Morons jumped on this…?

    It probably because we all know Piers Morgan is a leftist PINHEAD Obummer loving host and his old employer The Daily Mirror is a VERY leftist PINHEAD tabloid. And you know the rest of the story… therefore, because you are a leftist you can do whatever you like without any retribution!

  14. 17

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Sorry rhp6033, I haven’t read all the threads and your “threats” do nuthin for me. When I get to it I’ll cruise to Beck’s web site and read the whole comment in it’s entirety. Glad you admit being a Cass Sunstein malleable idiot!

  15. 18

    Steve spews:

    “Well, I skip over most of your comments also, since a majority of them are simply indecipherable.”

    Now that I ignore the loon, I no longer need to borrow Darryl’s P-Bonics Secret Decoder ring. That simplifies life quite a bit.

    If they’re not going to ban him, then let the loon rave on. But it is better that we treat him as would treat any other street corner loon. Just ignore him and move on.

  16. 19

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

    U R an idiot… Beck compared the killer to Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists and you make that comment above rhp6033?

    “I want to make this very, very clear. This is the act of a madman. This is the act of somebody who needs to be in prison for the rest of their life. This is not anything that anyone should ever engage in. There is no difference between him and the 9/11 bombers. Nothing. No difference. He is just as bad as Osama Bin Laden, period.”

    Yet you and others immediately came on this blog and blamed US Conservative and Tea party members for the Norway moron and because you are a lefty that’s A-OK. The crazed HA databaze arschloch screen scraped Google looking for a comparison. He probably failed since I haven’t browsed each site.

    Oh BTW Glenn Beck is NOT COVERED where I am at. In fact I don’t understand much of what is broadcasted on TV and I don’t read the newspapers ya idiot! Oh and I usually stay far away from the George Soros based moron sites you love to visit!

  17. 20

    spews:

    Republicans have a terminal case of assfascia over the debt ceiling which they’ve raised happily for Republican Preznits. They also are stuck on “balance” in the face of a freaking economic DEPRESSION. Funny they never cared about that either when the chimpanzee was preznit.

    Obama’s ace in the hole:

    Invoke the 14th..

    Former President Bill Clinton has said he would invoke that option “without hesitation” and leave it to the courts to figure it out.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....10878.html

  18. 21

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @16- As always, ButtPutty just smells bad. By following ButtPutty’s own link you find out he’s talking about someone who was also a former Murdock employee and who may have been involved in the British phone hacking scandal.

    One must ask the question: This story should be of interest to us…how?

  19. 22

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy @ 19: Hmmm, you didn’t address his controversial comments. This raises two possibilities: (a) you went to Beck’w web site and he has cleaned it up since the controversy arose, or (b) you have chosen to “excuse” the controversial comments, by pointing to his other comments.

    In case you didn’t see it, the comments which have been frequently quoted here, and in many places elsewhere, were:

    “The camp “sounds a little like the Hitler Youth or whatever,” Beck said. “Who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”

    Glenn Beck says Norway camp like ‘Hitler Youth’

    So what say you?

    I know that if the positions were reversed (a liberal gunman attacked a youth camp sponsored by the Republican Party, and anybody other than Fox News made such a comment, you would be outraged and calling for his head. Why the silence here?

    Oh, and despite Beck’s feigned incredulity, it seems Beck has himself sponsored political youth camps under the guise of “teaching young people about their heritage and the Constitution” (as he interprets it).

  20. 23

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Christian Terrorism
    If Muslims are responsible for Islamic terrorism, are Muslim-bashers responsible for the massacre in Norway?

    On Friday, anti-Islamist blogger Pamela Geller pounced on news of a massacre in Oslo. “Jihad in Norway?” she asked. She posted a second item—”You cannot avoid the consequences of ignoring jihad”—and linked to a previous one: “Norway: ALL Rapes in Past 5 Years Committed by Muslims.” As the Oslo body count grew, she piled on: “if I hear another television or radio reporter refer to muhammad as ‘the Prophet Muhammad,’ I think I am going to puke. He’s not your prophet, assclowns.”

    Then things went horribly wrong. It turned out that the suspected terrorist in Norway wasn’t a Muslim. He hated Muslims. And he admired Geller.

  21. 24

    rhp6033 spews:

    In another of today’s history lessons, let’s look at 1940-41, when Republicans in Congress blocked proposals to fund the new Philipine Army for over two years. Republicans insisted that the territory should pay for it’s own defense. The logjam was only broken when a “sugar tax” was imposed on imports of sugar cane and by-products from the Philipines, with the funds to be used to pay for the Philipine Army. This was, if my memory serves me correct, about August of 1941.

    So Gen. MacArthur, who held the dual role of head of U.S. forces in the Philipines and head of the Philipine Army, quickly put together a plan to train the initial core of an army in three groups, with the first to report in November, 1941, after their training camp was established. Those who reported barely had enough time to get organized into units, learn the basics of drill, and issued uniforms before the war began on Dec. 8, 1941 (Philipine time).

    Despite being poorly armed and having received only two or three weeks of training, they still fought bravely with the American forces against the Japanese attack, and upon the surrender at Bataan actually suffered worse at the hands of the Japanese victors than did the U.S. forces (which was brutal in and of itself).

    So here we have yet one more example of how Republican tax and spending policies are an example of being penny-wise and pound-foolish. They have yet, to this day, failed to accept their share of the responsibility for the fate of the Philipines in WWII, instead trying to float conspiracy theories blaming F.D.R. with for-knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

  22. 25

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Ekim proves how much of a roving idiot he is.

    @16- As always, ButtPutty just smells bad. By following ButtPutty’s own link you find out he’s talking about someone who was also a former Murdock employee and who may have been involved in the British phone hacking scandal.

    Does Murdoch own The Daily Mirror moron? It looks like it happened there in 2002 idiot! And when did he work for Murdoch? Until 1996.

    See when you allow ekim to comment stupidity abounds in droves.

    LMBBAO!

  23. 26

    Steve spews:

    @22 What’s hilarious, or as Beck says, “Disturbing”, is that Beck runs his own political youth camps. I think I ran across that little tidbit on Crooks & Liars yesterday. I’ll dig around and see if I can find it.

  24. 27

    Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Now are you going to repudiate your buds here who compared the Norway mass murder idiot to tea party members rhp6033? You skipped right over that Cass Sunstein malleable one.

  25. 28

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Wait for the next venture into the vacuous mind of ekim…

  26. 29

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    In 1915, a new klan (KKK) was started in Stone Mountain, Georgia, by William Simmons, a Methodist minister who had taken inspiration from the favorable portrayal of the klan in D.W. Griffith’s epic film, The Birth of a Nation. Emphasizing costumes, rallies and secret rituals, the klan grew rapidly in the South. The initial targets were blacks, whom many whites felt had been warped by wartime experiences. Black workers on the home front had earned respectable wages and expected the same after the war, and black veterans, who had witnessed a racially tolerant society in France, longed for a more accepting America. Perturbed whites believed the blacks had to be put back in their place.

    The appeal of the klan spread to the North and West, and at its peak in the mid-1920s achieved a total membership of four million or more. Members served in state legislatures and Congress, and were elected to the governorship in several states. Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas and Oregon saw significant klan influence.

    The central klan offices marketed regalia and literature to local units, but agendas were molded by community conditions and concerns. Blacks were the subject of klan activity in both the North and South, as were Jews, Catholics and immigrants. The klan also organized to oppose the teaching of evolution in the schools, dissemination of birth control devices and information, and efforts to repeal prohibition.

    The KKK of the 1920′s sounds a lot like the Teahadist dominated Rethug party today. New target, same old hatred.

  27. 32

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    ButtPutty continues to smell bad @25. I just commented that the man in question was also an Uncle Rupert employee. Apparently this is of no significance to ButtPutty.

    I repeat, one must ask the question: This story should be of interest to us…how?

  28. 33

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    31. ButtPutty who just smells bad spews:
    Wow one minute later ekim posts.
    RIGHT ON TIME!

    What a come back, ButtPutty. I’m impressed.
    How much does being a Koch whore pay these days?

  29. 34

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    assfascia

    Stealing again from Puddy eh arschloch? BTW they accepted my urban dictionary definition to a point. They wouldn’t attach it to YOU!

    You are a beta boi. And still the PRIME HA arschloch!

  30. 35

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    If I was working for Koch as we all know you work for Soros, I’d be a stay at home dad. Since that hasn’t happened what say you.

    I love how you thought The Daily Mirror was owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    LMBBAO! HAHAHAHAHAHA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  31. 36

    rhp6033 spews:

    So Puddy @ # 27 tries to change the subject, again.

    What say you, Puddy, on the question posed to you????? Speak plainly.

  32. 37

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    35. ButtPutty who just smells bad spews:
    I love how you thought The Daily Mirror was owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    And I quote the 3rd paragraph of the article you linked to:

    In that appearance, below, Morgan said he’s not going to join the “witch hunt” against Rupert Murdoch, who made him the youngest editor of News of the World ever at the age of 28, and had always run both that paper and the Mirror within the bounds of the law.

    ButtPutty not only smells bad, he’s a stupid Koch whore too.

  33. 38

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    See how ButtPutty confuses “News of the World” with “The Daily Mirror”. What do you expect from a smelly Koch whore?

  34. 39

    Steve spews:

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  35. 43

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Oh my ekim…

    Adweek’s D.M. Levine reports that, despite the heavy coverage CNN has given to the phone-hacking scandal, it has yet to cover the calls from some members of British parliament that Piers Morgan answer questions about phone-hacking at the Daily Mirror when he was editor there.

    First paragraph. I realize reading is not fundamental to someone of your “mental stature” here on HA. The issue was did Morgan use phone hacking while he was editor of THE DAILY MIRROR! Of couse facts such as these are lost on ekim, joining the dumb duo of asrchloch and the cinder block rujax.

    Now there is a dumb trio, ekim, arschloch, and the reservation dweller! Or is it stupid, very stupid and too stupid? You make the call!

  36. 44

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Changing the subject rhp6033? NOPE you DOPE. I strangely remember before anyone listened to Glenn Beck were the comments on this blog equating that jackASS to tea party conservatives. Now where was rhp6033? Shall we revisit that thread and replay his comments?

    So chronologically speaking rhp6033… You step up to the plate first and condemn those on visit this blog!

    I’ll wait…

  37. 45

    Steve spews:

    Glenn Beck’s Hitler Youth Camp is a real hoot! Lesson #1,

    Redistribution of Wealth:
    • Divide group in half. One half ‘earns’ Tootsie Rolls by doing 25 jumping jacks
    • The other half is not required to do jumping jacks, but can relax or do what they want
    • Teacher suggests that it’s “not fair” that one group has no Tootsie Rolls, then instructs
    ‘jumping jack’ group to give half of their Tootsie Rolls to the other group to even things
    up – kids immediately understand that principles behind redistribution of wealth are NOT
    fair
    • Emphasize that America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal results
    • Emphasize that it is our own individual responsibility to be charitable, not the
    government’s job to redistribute our wealth, or take our money to give to others

  38. 46

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Assfacia – I gave them that definition long ago. Write them and ask were you part of the definition. That’s my calling card to you! Oh wait you don’t take orders. That’s why you are where you are today and I’m somewhere having a blast each day.

    You can respell it all you want.

    beta boy! Never an original thought!

  39. 47

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    1. the crazy norwegian murderer should be executed. the guy is nuts, but being crazy should never be a reason for not getting your due punishment(too bad we dont do that in the US)

    2. glenn beck has always been a scuzzy media whore. why anybody pays attention to him and everyone else(rush, madcow, unibrow olberman, etc) like him I will never know.

    3. what kind of sick parents send their kids to be brainwashed at a “youth political camp”? I didnt even think such things existed….its almost like a partisan lemming factory.

  40. 49

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    See how ekim confuses “News of the World” with “The Daily Mirror”. He can’t read either.

    Typical leftist PINHEAD!

  41. 51

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    your fool.

    Are you discussing your son again arschloch?

    LMBBAO!

    BTW I don’t get full body scanned. I’m a frequent traveler. It has benefits YA MORON! Another nail in your moronic sitting at home on your ASS coffin!

    LMBBAO!

    Gosh this one is really stupid Robin!

    LMBBAO!

  42. 53

    Steve spews:

    “I didnt even think such things existed….its almost like a partisan lemming factory.”

    Yeah, it’s pretty weird. Golf camp? Now we’re talkin’!

  43. 54

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @48, this is good:

    “TSA officials say the new imaging software will improve the passenger experience at checkpoint…”

    Personally, I have much increased my “passenger experience” by avoiding the airlines entirely.

  44. 55

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @52

    You will notice I didnt comment on whether or not the “youth political camp” was conservative or progressive, because it doesnt matter. ANY “youth political camp” is fucking sick. your worlds revolves around party affiliation, mine revolves around using my brain – which is probably why I am so much better off and happier than you.

    I bet you sent your kids to one didnt you, you sick little she-man freak.

    @53
    Amen to that Steve – sign my ass up!

  45. 56

    Steve spews:

    Sigh! If only my Mom had sent me to a golf camp instead of the YMCA’s Camp Orkila. All I learned there was some pagan rituals involving campfires and scarves. Damn! I could have been learning Hogan’s five fundamentals of golf at seven years old! Now that would have changed my life for the better. If I had to have something instilled in me, why couldn’t it have been Hogan’s swing?

  46. 57

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @56

    you could have been the pasty-white version of Tiger Woods!

  47. 58

    spews:

    BTW I don’t get full body scanned. I’m a frequent traveler. It has benefits

    LMAO!!! Then you are the only dope who does it voluntarily!

    Shit you need it! You need the affirmation!

    Only a grope/porno-scan fiend would even want it from his OWN SOCKPUPPET!

    ONE MORE TIME:

    MWS, my relatives are Western African. Well hung, quick footed and good looking!

    http://horsesass.org/?p=2048#comment-575805

  48. 59

    spews:

    Are you discussing your son

    Typo.. I don’t mold my son to be the “anti-Obama” or the anti-anything like your kid gets from you.

    I want him to make up his own mind.

    You sick degenerate fool.

  49. 60

    Steve spews:

    Sigh! I still carry a 2-iron, (my old 1970′s Ram tour blades are still kickin’) but that old 1-iron of mine hasn’t been in the bag for years. I think it was Trevino who once said, “Only God and Jack Nicklaus can hit a 1-iron”. Spot on, Lee.

  50. 62

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    49. Puddybud who smells bad spews:
    See how ekim confuses “News of the World” with “The Daily Mirror”. He can’t read either.

    Hey ButtPutty, are you claiming Morgan was not a former employee of your Uncle Rupert?

    And I repeat, one must ask the question: This story should be of interest to us…how?

  51. 63

    Steve spews:

    @57 Actually, I attempted to model my swing on Watson’s, but when I see my swing on video, it looks like Seve’s. I’m much taller than Watson, being Seve’s height, so I suppose that makes some sense.

  52. 64

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Can someone help ekim out? Apparently a well known lefty involved phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it has no bearing to his leetle bitty mind.

    I’m done trying to lead him through a story. He fits the toooooooo stupid moniker perfectly.

  53. 65

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Frequent travelers DO NOT go through the scanner arschloch. If you left your couch you’d know this. Since you don’t the world now knows you fit the stupid moniker perfectly.

    LMBBAO! bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa

  54. 66

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    I want him to make up his own mind.

    You already told us he runs from your putrid politics.

    LMBBAO!

  55. 67

    spews:

    I gave them that definition long ago.

    Oh really??? You must have given the example sentence as well:

    “Nah, she’s got assfacia.”

    She?? How “misogynistic” of you master dope..

  56. 69

    Steve spews:

    Cool feathered dino, 155 million year old “bird”.

    http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com.....-its-perch

    Please be advised that you science-hating, flat earther freaky types shouldn’t follow the link. Your delusional world view might be shattered and I certainly wouldn’t want to be held responsible for something as awful as that.

  57. 71

    Steve spews:

    @70 Well, of course. In addition to being a street corner loon, he’s one of those dumber than a stump, science-hating, flat earth freaky types I mentioned.

  58. 73

    spews:

    71 – According to him the world’s only 6k years old. Doesn’t matter what the evidence says.

    Well that about sums it up for his political opinions as well..

    Yep, better to ignore this dope.

  59. 74

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    “Nah, she’s got assfacia.”

    What an idiot. Someone added that. Golly you are stupid. It’s their dictionary. Look up when I first said you had assfacia! That should narrow down the timeframe for you.

  60. 75

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Hey “middle schoolers” can have politics arschloch I don’t forget and I don’t need and arschloch created databaze either!

  61. 76

    spews:

    74 – Nice try dumbass. Ain’t buying it.. You claimed it. You own it..

    75 – Right… Just because they “can” doesn’t mean they should.. What a dope!

  62. 77

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    arschloch above, one more time

    Frequent travelers don’t visit body scanners, only morons such as yourself.

    See ya! Gotta go.

  63. 78

    spews:

    I don’t need and[sic] HA hero created database either!

    Oh? How many times have I used kos fool? Unless you have a database you can’t tell me.

    I can tell you how many times you’ve used Breitbart or “theblaze” – when and at what times.

    Shit I know your most crazed 24 hour period..

  64. 79

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    64. ButtPutty who smells bad spews:
    Can someone help ekim out? Apparently a well known lefty involved phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it has no bearing to his leetle bitty mind.

    I’m done trying to lead him through a story. He fits the toooooooo stupid moniker perfectly.

    “well known lefty”
    Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

    “phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
    Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

    “NoTW”
    Part of the Murdoch empire until it was shut down by Murdoch in an attempt to mitigate the growing scandal. NoTW is connected to News Corp, a US business which is subject to US laws for crimes committed in other countries.

    And from the NYT…

    In response to requests from members of Congress and to at least one news report, the Federal Bureau of Investigation in New York opened a preliminary inquiry on Thursday into allegations that News Corporation journalists sought to gain access to the phone records of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, according to several people briefed on the matter.

    So ButtPutty, why the hangup on an irrelevant story that has no connection to the US when there is a much much bigger one you seem to take great effort to ignore?

  65. 81

    spews:

    80 – Glad it happened to the Yankees… But it makes you wonder if they traded a prospect under the table just to sell a few more tickets for the next homestand.

  66. 82

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Murdoch US Scandal Brewing?
    By Russ Baker on Jul 21, 2011

    What’s missing from the daily rat-a-tat of charges on what Rupert Murdoch’s minions did and did not do is the larger picture of his business practices, into which the UK hacking fits rather neatly.

    There’s an eerie similarity to the situation in Britain, where, once again, people working for Murdoch were taking illegal actions advantageous to his interests, and where his company disclaimed all knowledge.

  67. 83

    Steve spews:

    @79 When Rupert Murdoch is finally frog-marched, the loon will probably call him a “well known lefty” as well. It’s just another symptom of his psychosis. Mind you, this is no Psych 101 thing. This is the stuff of a doctoral thesis. The short of it, nothing can intrude on the world he’s created in what is left of his feeble mind.

    In most cases it isn’t right to make fun of the feeble minded. But this guy’s personality is so damned ugly, and the hatred in him runs so deep, what else is a person to do with him? Too bad he’s not a dog. Rabid as he is, we’d be quite justified in putting him down.

  68. 84

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy @ #44 is still trying to change the subject, by saying that before he will do something he knows he should do on his own volition, I must first bow to his conditions.

    And quite frankly, I don’t even know what he is talking about, or what it is he’s asking me to do.

    But I’ve tired of playing this game. Puddy’s had multiple opportunities to denounce Beck, and after almost two days of silence (at least on this issue), he first tries to deflect, and then he tries to change the subject, then he tries to condition his denial on me first jumping through whatever hoops he can think of to put in front of me.

    Apparantly he thinks that what Beck said isn’t bad, despite the outrage his comments are creating from our fellow NATO allies of Norway and Great Britain, among others.

    It’s pretty similar to current GOP tactics over the debt ceiling. Every President and Congress since the early 20th century has routinely approved debt limit increases to allow for payment of previously incurred obligations. Only the current GOP-controlled House hasn’t done what it knows it should do, and instead is trying to put the country’s economy at risk by playing a game of chicken and demanding a political ransom in exchange for doing what they are morally required to do in the first place.

  69. 86

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 80: Just goes to show you that a stopped clock is still right twice a day.

    But that didn’t prevent me from sending a little taunt to my colleague in New York.

  70. 87

    No time for fascists spews:

    So Rachel’s being sued for telling the truth?

    He once made a statement on the radio criticizing his fellow Christians for not taking a stronger stand about the “gay” rights lobby promoting homosexuality in schools. According to the ministry announcement, he made a strong reference to Muslims taking the issue more seriously than Christians, referring to Islamic law, but did not condone their practices. It was Bradlee’s intent to focus attention on the issue, not to advocate harm to anyone, the statement said.

    Despite the clear statement by Dean on his ministry’s website and elsewhere that he was not calling for the execution of homosexuals, according to the announcement, “MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and others seized on and accused Dean on her show of supporting the killing of homosexuals, as is the practice in some radical Islamic countries. This seriously has harmed Dean and the ministry, who pride themselves on respect and love for all people.”

    But what did Bradley say?

    Last year, he even had kind words for the way Islam deals with a group he abhors even more—homosexuals. “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America,” he said on his radio show, The Sons of Liberty . “It shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....proar.html

    He said
    Muslims who kill gays are more moral than Christians
    Therefore,
    Christians, be more moral, have to kill gays.

    And that logic is NOT somehow supporting the killing of homosexuals?
    How does that logic further “respect and love for all people”?

    Puddy, please hurry up and move to your conservative utopia of Somalia or even Uganda. They will love you there.

  71. 89

    No time for fascists spews:

    Puddy, do you support Mr Dean’s assertion that Muslims who kill gays are more moral?

  72. 90

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    CEOs Call For Corporate Income Tax Overhaul

    “The CEO of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other major U.S. employers told Congress Wednesday they would be willing to give up tax breaks … in return for a steep drop in the … corporate tax rate. Companies … pay a much lower overall effective rate by exploiting tax breaks, … that in 2011 are costing the government about $102 billion in lost revenue.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43....._business/

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Let’s start this discussion with this fact: Corporate taxes, as a percentage of GDP, have dropped dramatically since the end of World War 2, from 6% in 1948 to 1% in 2009 — a sixfold decrease. Nominal corporate tax rates are pretty meaningless; two-thirds of U.S. corporations pay no corporate income tax at all. General Electric, for example.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....30361.html

    Conservatives used to argue that taxing corporate income, and then making individuals pay income taxes on dividend income, was “double taxation,” i.e. the same income is being taxed twice. This argument has always been dubious, because it rests on the assumption that a corporate entity and its shareholders are one and the same — an idea that has been blown completely out of the water, not only by Citizens United, but also by a whole string of court decisions that have effectively deprived shareholders of any say in corporate governance. Until the notion of corporate personhood is abolished, this argument just won’t hold water.

    But now, conservatives want to go even farther by replacing “double taxation” with “no taxation” — i.e., neither corporations nor shareholders would pay any tax. They also want to abolish capital gains and inheritance taxes, so that only wages would be taxed, and hourly workers would have to bear the entire burden of supporting the federal government — a greedy, dishonest, mean, immoral, and selfish idea if there ever was one.

    This is not to say that corporate tax reform is a bad idea. The current corporate tax code sucks, simply because so few companies pay taxes under it, and individual taxpayers have had to make up the revenue losses from the steadily shrinking corporate tax take.

    I more or less agree with the CEOs on coupling a lower nominal rate with aboliton of the loopholes that allow many companies to pay little or no corporate tax. Corporate tax reform shouldn’t be revenue-neutral, though; with corporate tax revenues near an all-time low, it’s time to shift some of the overall tax burden back onto corporations.

    Let’s take a look at what would happen if corporate taxes were eliminated. Conservatives argue this would stimulate investment and job creation. This theory is pretty easy to test, because many corporations pay no taxes now, so all you have to do is ask yourself whether employment went up or down during that steep drop in the tax curve from 2007 – 2009. Or, if you like, you can look at the employment statistics for 1980 – 1983, when corporate tax revenues were in another period of steep decline.

    Eliminating corporate taxes tomorrow probably wouldn’t create a single job. Why? Because companies already have more cash than they know how to spend. Jobs aren’t being created, but that’s because of lack of demand, not lack of capital. The corporate world is awash with idle capital. Much of that money is simply sitting in banks, but some of it is being used for acquisitions, stock buybacks, or dividend increases — because CEOs and directors can’t figure out ways to reinvest it in their own businesses.

    No, you can’t eliminate corporate taxes — that’s a cockamamie idea. But let’s streamline corporate taxes. By all means, give all companies a lower rate — but make all companies pay taxes, and do away with special tax breaks that create economic distortions.

    I’m sure you all know how economic distortions work. If you give Company A a tax subsidies for making more Widgets, but make Company B pay taxes on its profits from making Gadgets, you’re gonna end up with too many Widgets and not enough Gadgets, as sure as it rains in Seattle in winter.

    One more thing: Talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits is nonsense. With the federal government drowning in red ink, the last thing we need to do is give rich corporations a massive new tax break. According to MSNBC, “A prior tax holiday was later proven to have created few, if any, new jobs.” So there’s absolutely no rationale for doing it.

  73. 91

    spews:

    84 – rhp that’s been Puddybud’s MO here in the threads for years.

    He’ll always deflect from the failings of his most beloved right wing pundits.

    And yes for every simple demand you make of him (from which you’ll never receive satisfaction if Puddybud can help it), Puddybud will make at least a half dozen crazy demands of you in return.

  74. 92

    rhp6033 spews:

    Roger @ 91: More to the point, corporations don’t need a tax break in order to hire more workers because corporate spending on workers isn’t taxed. It’s an expense, and therefore deductable.

    Any corporation which is concerned that this year’s obscene profit accumulation will subject it to taxation only has to hire more workers and the problem is solved. At the same time, they can put those workers to work doing any number of things they have been putting off for years (or decades). Heck, maybe they might actually start making a product or two – that would be a change!

  75. 93

    rhp6033 spews:

    By the way, it looks like the first lawsuit on health insurance reform will make it to the Supreme Court this year. The challengers to the law who lost in an appeals court decision earlier this summer have asked the court to consider the appeal in it’s October session.

    Health care lawsuit reaches Supreme Court

    Although there is no guarantee the court will accept the case (it could refuse to issue the writ of certiori and allow the Court of Appeals ruling to stand), there is every reason to believe it will accept the case, in light of the differences in district court rulings on the issue.

    So by next June, right in the middle of the presidential campaign season, the court might well issue an opinion which will put health care reform right into the middle of the election battle.

  76. 94

    rhp6033 spews:

    If I had the money, I would love to make a series of TV commercials which would run every day, between now and the next election. The subject would be “Why no one should ever vote for a Republican”. Each day, we would provide a different reason, with an example from the recent news.

    We could get several commercials just by showing the faces of the Republican nominees to the Supreme Court, and recount the decisions they made which showed them to be tools of the GOP and big corporate interests. Then remind voters that the person who wins the 2012 election will also probably select at least one or two new Supreme Court justices.

  77. 95

    Michael spews:

    Thought I’d pass this along.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/126266188.html
    KIRKLAND, Wash. — A well-known peanut vendor who for years has delighted crowds at the Kingdome and Safeco Field has died.

    Rick Kaminski, 67, passed away Tuesday at Kirkland’s Evergreen Hospital due to complications from a brain aneurysm, a family spokesperson said.

    Rick Kaminski is shown at the Kingdome in this 1997 file photo. (Photo: Seattlepi.com File / SL) Kaminski, also known simply as “Rick the Peanut Guy” was famous for his wide smile, sense of humor, and pinpoint accuracy in tossing bags of peanuts to hungry fans.

    Sometimes the bags fly in overhand, sometimes underhand, and most times behind the back, but always on target, even from several rows away.

    His partner Candi said Rick loved what he did.

    “He loved going and being with the fans and interacting with his city,” Candi Mindt-Keener said. “It was his city.”

  78. 96

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Update

    The next important date on Wisconsin’s political calendar is Aug. 9, when 6 GOP state senators face recall elections. Democrats need a net gain of 3 seats to take control of the state senate. Here’s what the latest polling shows:

    Shilling (D) leads Kapanke (R) by 14%
    King (D) leads Hopper (R) by 3%
    Clark (D) leads Olsen (R) by 2%
    Pasch (D) trails Darling (R) by 2%
    Nusbaum (D) trails Cowles (R) by 4%
    Moore (D) trails Harsdorf (R) by 5%

    The big surprise here is Sen. Darling, a big fish, is locked in such a tight race that GOP backers have been forced to pour at least $400,000 into her campaign.

    In general, it looks like Democrats should easily win one of these races, have a good shot at three more, and all six are potentially winnable.

    A week later, on Aug. 16, Democrats have to defend two senate seats against GOP-led recall efforts. One of those seats looks safe, the other one is contested but should be a Dem win. Four wins on Aug. 9 probably is enough to ensure the Dems will take control of the state senate.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....via=blog_1

    Meanwhile, Gov. Walker could be in real trouble when he faces a likely recall drive next year. The latest Badger Poll by the University of Wisconsin shows 37% of Wisconsin residents approve of the job he’s doing while 59% disapprove.

    http://www.leadertelegram.com/.....7faa9.html

  79. 98

    Michael spews:

    RE: Glenn Beck and Norway.

    I’ve never once given a fuck what Glenn Beck has had to say about anything, why should I start now?

    It’s like The Who said:
    We forsake you
    Gonna rape you
    Let’s forget you better still

  80. 99

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @95

    Man that sucks…first Bill the Beerman and now Rick the Peanut guy….those guys made the 1970′s and 1980′s Kingdome a special place.

  81. 100

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @78

    I can tell you how many times you’ve used Breitbart or “theblaze” – when and at what times.

    and thats what makes you a freak – you actually care enough about who posts what on a blog to track peoples posts.

    talk about advertising that big L on your forehead…

  82. 101

    manoftruth spews:

    i dont know why you all have such a hard time figuring out what we can do about the terrorism in norway and elsewhere. we can just take a lesson from history. how did we handle the terrorist acts by the founder of israel, david ben-gourian? lets just follow that game plan. problem solved.

  83. 102

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    pfft…..Europe and the US are full of too many limp wrists and limp dicks.

  84. 103

    spews:

    101. manoftruth spews:

    i dont know why you all have such a hard time figuring out what we can do about the terrorism in norway and elsewhere. we can just take a lesson from history. how did we handle the terrorist acts by the founder of israel, david ben-gourian? lets just follow that game plan. problem solved.

    07/27/2011 at 5:59 pm

    I got an idea…

    …let’s print all the nasty shit this piece of crap writes, pin it on him and ship him off to a kibbutz.

  85. 106

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit Quiz

    Here’s an interesting little factoid. Which country has more cows than people?

    [ ] 1. China
    [ ] 2. India
    [ ] 3. Brazil
    [ ] 4. U.S.
    [ ] 5. Texas

    (Note: one of these answers is a throwaway)

  86. 109

    spews:

    you actually care

    About holding assholes accountable – well just a little bit anyway.. I’ve keep putting off running reports on your dumbass behavior – it hasn’t been worth it to me.

  87. 110

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Factoid: The cost of one F-22 fighter jet would pay all of the operating expenses for Yellowstone National Park for four years.

  88. 111

    spews:

    talk about advertising that big L on your forehead…

    Heh. I’m a lover not a hater..

    I don’t drink too often either.. I don’t need to deaden the pain from a life of hating people I know nothing about.

  89. 112

    Ekim spews:

    F-22 – Super Stealth, Super Fast, Super Costly

    By JAMES W. CRAWLEY
    Media General News Service

    LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. – The gold-tinted canopy closed and a wave of apprehension swept over Air Force pilot Wade Tolliver as he started the jet engines for his first flight in an F-22 Raptor.

    “I was scared I’d scratch the jet,” Tolliver said.

    The lieutenant colonel, a veteran of more than 2,000 hours in jets, had reason to worry. A mistake could be very costly. The plane he sat in cost $339 million.

    So far, the Air Force has 62 Raptors. Current plans call for a total of 183. Cost: about $63.2 billion, counting research and development, aircraft and construction of new facilities.

  90. 115

    Michael spews:

    Sightline FTW!

    http://daily.sightline.org/201.....king-lots/
    There’s no better measure of our perverse relationship with cars than the fact that nearly every city and town in North America has laws requiring drinking establishments to provide parking, and yet roadside memorials to victims of drunk driving are mostly illegal.

  91. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @107 Hmmm, well that one didn’t pop up in The Economist article I got this from, and because it isn’t one of the offered choices I can’t accept it as an answer.

  92. 117

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @113

    actually I was referring to your type, mary…..you know, the she-male types that dont wear the pants in the family, and sit around on the computer all day long.

    you should thank rujaxoff – if it wasnt for him, you would be the biggest loser here – guess you will have to settle for second place(probably a theme carried throughout your life)

    yeah, your a “lover” alright…LMFAO.

    have fun in barely-mediocrity land….

  93. 118

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @115 That’s because drunk drivers contribute to the economy (liquor sales, gasoline sales, insurance sales, trial lawyer contingency fees, emergency room and hospital fees, body shop sales, etc.) whereas dead victims only consume one funeral and that’s it.

  94. 119

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @109

    LMFAO @”running reports”.

    yep, that about sums up your life(or how lame it is).

    wow, “running reports” on blog posters….did I mention that big giant L on your forehead.

    maybe if you took your family as seriously as you take this blog you would have a happy and satisfied wife and kids….then again, maybe not.

  95. 120

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Rachel’s $300 fundraising drive now tops $475,000, and with 25 days to go, looks a sure bet to break a million.

  96. 121

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @112

    your point?

    oh I get it – you are trying to tell us that the plane is really really expensive….

  97. 123

    Ekim spews:

    A single year of alcohol-impaired driving kills more Americans than the last decade of war has…

    And the drunks buy their own booze. Obviously our drunk drivers are much more cost effective than our military.

  98. 124

    Ekim spews:

    121. That there is Cundalini….and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @112

    your point?

    oh I get it – you are trying to tell us that the plane is really really expensive…

    No. I’m not trying to tell you anything.

  99. 126

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    #112 reminds me of something I saw on Westlake Avenue years ago. Traffic was fairly busy, but there was a big hole in it. In the center of the hole was a late-model Rolls Royce moving along at about 5 mph below the speed limit. All the traffic behind it was also doing 5 mph under the limit. Nobody was passing. Nobody wanted to get anywhere near that Rolls, a fender scratch to which could cost your insurance company $7,500. And that Rolls was CHEAP compared to an F-22.

  100. 127

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Full Disclosure: The super-expensive F-22 is built by Lockheed Martin. Roger Rabbit owns Lockheed Martin stock. With a pricetag of $339 million per plane, imagine what the profit margin is! But if the plane ain’t cheap, the stock is, you can buy a share of LMT for less than it cost five years ago — and the dividend has doubled since then! I ain’t stupid, when a company gets away with ripping off taxpayers like this company does, I gotta own it!!!

  101. 128

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The stock market was down only 194 Dow points today, but I’m not worried. There’s still time for a real plunge, and the uneducable GOPers are pushing ahead with a scheme Obama has promised to veto if it somehow passes the Senate, so it looks enough like a default is gonna happen that the markets are getting nervous. I expect we’ll see more triple-digit selloffs tomorrow and Friday, but the real fun will come next week! It doesn’t matter if the government actually defaults, this’ll work out fine if the GOPers simply scare the living shit out of investors. I’m not greedy, I’ll be happy with a 40% market drop. THANK YOU REPUBLICANS!!!

  102. 129

    spews:

    “running reports” on blog posters….

    Ok.. Some morons need proof..

    ╰─$ b hacols -f c -c tag:eq~asshat -C
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 0 |
    +——-+
    1 row in set

    There’s a zero for a big zero content moron…

    Took me all of two seconds. More than the dipthong is worth.

  103. 130

    manoftruth spews:

    @129
    ╰─$ b hacols -f c -c tag:eq~asshat -C
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 0 |
    +——-+
    1 row in set

    ylb, i could never figure out why you side with those who hate this country since you claim you’re not jewsish. but, after seeing you write code, now i know why. you’re a physical creatin and spend your days with your only friend, your keyboard.
    too bad

  104. 131

    americafirst spews:

    @90. Roger Rabbit spews:
    Conservatives used to argue that taxing corporate income, and then making individuals pay income taxes on dividend income, was “double taxation,” i.e. the same income is being taxed twice. This argument has always been dubious, because it rests on the assumption that a corporate entity and its shareholders are one and the same — an idea that has been blown completely out of the water, not only by Citizens United, but also by a whole string of court decisions that have effectively deprived shareholders of any say in corporate governance. Until the notion of corporate personhood is abolished, this argument just won’t hold water.
    ——————————–
    income is taxed at the corporate level and again when dividends are paid, why is this not double taxation.

    Let’s take a look at what would happen if corporate taxes were eliminated. Conservatives argue this would stimulate investment and job creation. This theory is pretty easy to test, because many corporations pay no taxes now, so all you have to do is ask yourself whether employment went up or down during that steep drop in the tax curve from 2007 – 2009. Or, if you like, you can look at the employment statistics for 1980 – 1983, when corporate tax revenues were in another period of steep decline.
    ——————————–
    this is nonsense, in a recession corporate income and employment both go down because of a decline in economic activity

    Eliminating corporate taxes tomorrow probably wouldn’t create a single job. Why? Because companies already have more cash than they know how to spend. Jobs aren’t being created, but that’s because of lack of demand, not lack of capital. The corporate world is awash with idle capital. Much of that money is simply sitting in banks, but some of it is being used for acquisitions, stock buybacks, or dividend increases — because CEOs and directors can’t figure out ways to reinvest it in their own businesses.
    ————————–
    this is also nonsense, your argument amounts to the assertion that business decisions are made without consideration of tax effects. Apparently you haven’t been able to find any support for that argument even in the leftwing Brit economics website that you claim is pro-business.

    No, you can’t eliminate corporate taxes — that’s a cockamamie idea. But let’s streamline corporate taxes. By all means, give all companies a lower rate — but make all companies pay taxes, and do away with special tax breaks that create economic distortions.

    I’m sure you all know how economic distortions work. If you give Company A a tax subsidies for making more Widgets, but make Company B pay taxes on its profits from making Gadgets, you’re gonna end up with too many Widgets and not enough Gadgets, as sure as it rains in Seattle in winter.
    —————————
    right, good to see your sensible side appear

    One more thing: Talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits is nonsense. With the federal government drowning in red ink, the last thing we need to do is give rich corporations a massive new tax break. According to MSNBC, “A prior tax holiday was later proven to have created few, if any, new jobs.” So there’s absolutely no rationale for doing it.
    ———————————-
    That doesn’t make sense to me either, why foreign and not domestic, what “talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits” do you refer to?

  105. 133

    spews:

    130 – Damn you’re dumb – the world’s full of people who hate.. this country, that country it doesn’t matter..

    This is the greatest country on earth for hardly better reasons than it is the luckiest – two big oceans on either side buffers a lot of hate and the envy of those who’d covet our land and resources.

    Grown up dumbass.

  106. 134

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    “well known lefty”
    Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

    “phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
    Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

    He works for CNN taking over Larry King’s show. CNN has been actively covering the phone hacking scandal in England.

    Man this ekim is an idiot. CNN! Why are you changing the subject ekim? I brought up the Piers Morgan phone scandal. You are changing the subject.

    Piers is a lefty. CNN is leftist. Media Morons who has said it’s their job to get Murdoch skips this story. It seems there was a phone hacking act before NoTW. Yet you can’t seem to get it through your skull that if a lefty who now works for leftist CNN did it first it’s excusable. British Parliament wants Morgan to respond to his own actions of 2002.

    You on the other hand misread the article so now you are in coverup mode with deflection and subject change bringing up some NY Times article I never referenced. You are very stupid.

  107. 135

    Steve spews:

    @120 It’s now at $489,000, Roger. It picked up over $20K in just two hours.

    If you haven’t yet visited the site, here’s Rachel’s own plea to those she knew to help the less fortunate rather than give her gifts for her ninth birthday.

    On June 12th 2011, I’m turning 9. I found out that millions of people don’t live to see their 5th birthday. And why? Because they didn’t have access to clean, safe water so I’m celebrating my birthday like never before. I’m asking from everyone I know to donate to my campaign instead of gifts for my birthday. Every penny of the money raised will go directly to fund freshwater projects in developing nations. Even better, every dollar is “proved” when the projects are complete, and photos and GPS coordinates are posted using Google Earth. My goal is to raise $300 by my birthday, June 12, 2011. Please consider helping me.

    Thank you so much!!!

    I reckon little boys and girls all over the world offer similar small sacrifices like Rachel’s for some good cause such as this every day. Alas, not very many people hear their voices. Perhaps little Rachel had to die to be heard, but now that she is, she’s speaking to the world not only for them, but for the good in all of us.

    If you can’t give, maybe you can just visit her donation site, read some of the comments of the donors from all over the world and see for yourself the human spirit at its finest.

  108. 136

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Puddy @ #44 is still trying to change the subject, by saying that before he will do something he knows he should do on his own volition, I must first bow to his conditions.

    And quite frankly, I don’t even know what he is talking about, or what it is he’s asking me to do.

    You know exactly what you need to do rhp6033, or as I have called it you really are Cass Sunstein’s prime Homer Simpson malleable idiot.

    You were on this blog cheer leading all the rabid moronic HA leftists claiming the Norwegian shooter was a Tea Party “teahadist”. This happened before Glenn Beck EVER said his comment.

    Yet you want me to condemn Glenn Beck while excusing your friends here who equated that Norwegian moron with US Conservatives. Sorry dude it AIN’T gonna happen. What HA libtardos did by saying he was motivated by US Tea Party Conservatives is reprehensible. Yet that’s A-OK to you because you don’t like the Tea Party.

    Well, until you can see the beam in your own eye and own up to your own actions, my “stick” remains so to speak.

  109. 137

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Hey arschloch, I see you ran to the databaze again. Pavlov called it. Pavlov is always right.

    LMBBAO!

  110. 138

    spews:

    137 – I run the database to expose your OCD ass fool..

    and LAUGH!

    Read “theblaze” lately dumbass? I’ve wasted barely 10 seconds of my life with that crap.

    I’ll run the database over and over and over and laugh and laugh and laugh at:

    #2

    product of the ass end of the right wing bullpoop machine!

    And what will you do? Oh another stupid feckless “pavlov” attack.. Keep up the great work fool!

  111. 140

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    the world’s full of people who hate..

    And you are up there with the best haters in the world arschloch. Your contemptible commentary is full of it since you first arrived as Clueless.

  112. 141

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    I run the database

    because you have no skillz. While others are earning a living you scour the kook-aid sites and your databaze.

    You are a failure!

  113. 142

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Oh and archloch it’s time to drive real fast.

    Also arschloch dealing with you is the real time waster here. But cheer lead for rhp6033 because Cass Sunstein malleable idiots need friends who think like them.

    Gotta go!

  114. 143

    spews:

    140 – You confuse hate with holding liars and haters accountable. YOU HATE being held accountable.

    Remember you’re #2 and THAT’S A FACT!

  115. 144

    Puddybud, identifying ekim for the ass-kissing idiot he is spews:

    Speaking of corporations.

    Looks like Jeffery Immelt is at it again with shipping US jobs overseas. Oh he gets a pass being Obummer’s favrit leftist CEO!

  116. 145

    spews:

    it’s time to drive real fast.

    going nowhere fast because you’re full of hate and can’t wait until the next time you’re here to pull the release valve.

    It’s quite amusing and sad at the same time.

  117. 147

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @135 Little Rachel’s fundraising drive just punched through $500,000! As of 15 seconds ago it stood at $500,044.

  118. 148

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The number of donors is now 14,001 and the amount raised is $500,207. The money is coming in at a rate of about $100 a minute.

  119. 149

    Michael spews:

    Tea Party Hobbits!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....7765.story
    Sen. John McCain on Wednesday took on conservatives reluctant to raise the national debt ceiling, calling them “tea party hobbits” and saying that if they reject the House Republican plan, they will help reelect President Obama.

    At times reading from a Wall Street Journal editorial during his floor speech, the Arizona Republican also ridiculed Democrats, saying Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan is “full of smoke and mirrors.”

    But he directed the most biting sarcasm at his own party.

    The “hobbits” remark came from the Journal editorial, a reference to the little people of Middle-earth in J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

    McCain said conservatives’ insistence that an increase in the debt ceiling be accompanied by a balanced budget amendment was “worse than foolish” because it couldn’t get through the Senate.

  120. 150

    Steve spews:

    @148 It’s really amazing how that took off. It’ll taper off someday, of course, but at the moment it still seems to be picking up speed and rolling along. So, yes, a million seems very much reachable. My dear Ms. Wingnut knew the family somehow. She said that little Rachel was everything she seems to be through her story and much more. She must have been really something.

  121. 151

    Michael spews:

    149 continued…

    Mark Meckler of the Tea Party Patriots responded via CNN. “Clearly he’s been corrupted by the ring of power,” Meckler said.

    Republican’s! The gift that keeps on giving.

  122. 152

    W. Klingon Skousen's log removal service spews:

    re 151: He fell into a burnin’ ring of power…. Yow!

    Twisted Cash…………

  123. 153

    Steve spews:

    Weren’t we gonna round these fucks up and put them in FEMA camps?*

    * Lighten up, you dumbfuck trolls. It’s just a joke. Really! heh-

  124. 154

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @131 “That doesn’t make sense to me either, why foreign and not domestic, what “talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits” do you refer to?”

    Many U.S. corporations now derive a substantial part of their revenue and profits overseas. They’re reluctant to repatriate those foreign profits because doing so would subject them to U.S. taxes. The business lobby has been asking Congress for a “tax holiday” that would allow them to bring that money into the U.S. tax-free.

  125. 155

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @150 It’s one of those cases that tugs at the heartstrings. Her tragic death has brought a previously obscure charity to the attention of a broad public via the news media. For the charity, this is the kind of public relations that can’t be purchased for any amount of money. The little girl got involved with it through her church.

  126. 156

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy idiot @ 136, addressing me:

    “You were on this blog cheer leading all the rabid moronic HA leftists claiming the Norwegian shooter was a Tea Party “teahadist”. This happened before Glenn Beck EVER said his comment.”

    Really? Go back and find the quote and reference it to the specific thread and date.

    This should be amusing.

  127. 157

    spews:

    156 – It’d be a miracle if he did that (he’ll claim he doesn’t do your bidding) and even if he does the quote he’ll use won’t back what he says even by the farthest leaps of “logic”.

  128. 158

    spews:

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....hp?ref=fpc

    The Real Deal: Muslim Witness To Cain’s Mosque Visit Calls Sentiments Genuine

    Evan McMorris-Santoro | July 28, 2011, 5:50AM

    The change of heart is a time-honored part of American political theater. As public sentiments (read: polling) change, politicians often find a way to alter their positions through seemingly heart-felt rhetoric. But there are rare occasions when the change of heart is real. And according to one of the Muslim community members Herman Cain visited with Wednesday, the Republicans newfound respect for Islam is completely genuine.

    OH OH!!!

    Hey puddybitch…you’re hero Herm is going over to the dark syde!!

    YIKES.

  129. 160

    spews:

    http://www.truthdig.com/report....._20110727/

    Debt Madness Was Always About Killing Social Security

    Posted on Jul 27, 2011

    By Robert Scheer

    This phony debt crisis has now passed through the looking glass into the realm where madness reigns. What should have been an uneventful moment in which lawmakers make good on the nation’s contractual obligations has instead been seized upon by Republican hypocrites as a moment to settle ideological scores that have nothing to do with the debt.

    Hypocrites, because their radical free market ideology, and the resulting total deregulation of the financial markets, is what caused the debt to spiral out of control this last decade. That and the wars George W. Bush launched but didn’t have the integrity to responsibly finance. The consequence was a banking bubble and crash leading to a 50 percent run-up of the debt that has nothing to do with the “entitlements” that those same Republicans have always wanted to destroy.

    Yep. Let Granny and Grampy eat cat food.

  130. 161

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 160: I think the GOP is split on Social Security. One-half wants to do away with it entirely, forcing people to work until they drop dead from old age, just on general principle. The other half don’t want to do away with it entirely – they are drooling at all the surpluses it accumulates (as savings toward the Baby-Bommer’s retirements), and trying to figure out how to get their hands on it through privitization.

  131. 162

    rhp6033 spews:

    Continuation of # 161: The key to deciphering the GOP strategy is to ignore what they are saying and concentrate on their actions. Their actions show that they are entirely within the control of the wealthiest financial interests in the world, and their goal is to take whatever the rest of us still have and convert it to our own use.

    Let’s review recent history:

    1. In year 2000, we have a balanced budget and are on track to pay off the ENTIRE FEDERAL DEBT before the end of the decade. Using the concept of OPM (using “other people’s money” to make investments), the Republican Party gives tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, paid for entirely by federal debt owed by the American public at large. Since the rich are astute at avoiding taxes, and the poor don’t have any money with which to pay more in taxes, the bill is expected to be paid by future generations of the American middle class.

    2. Now their eyes focused on a growing source of wealth and security of the American people: the equity in their homes. The 2005-2007 housing bubble, along with complete cooperation by the Republican Congress and the White House and the various regulatory agencies under it’s control, accomplished two things in one fell swoop: it encouraged homeowners to re-finance (and take more money out against the equity for other spending), and giving wall street and brokerage firms obscene profits on “finders fees”, real-estate backed mortgage securities, etc. When the house of cards collapsed, and American homeowners found themselves owing far more on their houses than they were worth, they approached Congress with an ultimatum: “Give us a trillion dollars in bail-out funds, with no strings attached, or you will face another Great Depression. Oh, and you have 48 hours to make up your mind”. Congress relented, the TARP bailout was made under the Bush administration, and Republicans immediately began working to try to pass the blame on the Democrats.

    3. In 2005 Bush offered his Social Security privitazation plan, which met with a resounding thud among the American people. IN 2011 Paul proposed a similar plan: give all the social security trust funds to wall street and give vouchers to seniors for them to try to shop for insurance on the open market. Paul’s plan also met with a resounding thud, so the “crisis” created by the Republicans in refusing to pay America’s debts, already incurred, in just the sort of excuse they look for in trying to do something which would otherwise be political suicide.

    Why would the Republicans want to kill Social Security? It’s not contributing to the deficit or the national debt by one thin dime, it’s currently running surpluses which are going toward paying off other debt incurred under the Bush administration. You would think, if debt and deficits were a bad thing, Republicans would LOVE Social Security. But the fact that they can’t wait to get their greedy little paws on all that money.

    They want it to be dispersed in individual accounts which Wall Street firms will offer to manage (for an annual fee, plus transaction fees, plus statement fees, plus a percentage of the total funds managed fee, plus fees to access the money or call your broker, etc.). In return for such a windfall, helpful Republican Congressmen can expect to receive (in the future) very profitable positions on corporate boards, do-little executive positions with big stock options and bonuses, etc.

  132. 163

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @160 “Yep. Let Granny and Grampy eat cat food.”

    They already do that on their $750 Social Security checks (rent costs $700). Republicans are now opting for Solyent Green.

  133. 164

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @162 The GOP flim-flammers’ scheme didn’t work on me. I saw through the whole debt-consumption binge years ago. Instead of buying into it, and buying stuff (at inflated prices with money borrowed at inflated interest rates), I paid off all my debts. When the debt tsunami hit, I was sitting pretty, and profited from the stock market crash brought on by the credit market crash. Now, I’m going to profit once again from their attempts to manipulate the financial markets.

  134. 165

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The stock market started higher this morning, but is creeping downward toward negative territory.

  135. 167

    spews:

    Wow!

    Mr. Christie said the people Mr. Mohammed represented were inappropriately detained by the FBI after what he called a very difficult time for law enforcement.

    “It’s just crazy, and I’m tired of dealing with the crazies,” he said. “It’s just unnecessary to be accusing this guy of things just because of his religious background.” Mr. Christie added: “I’m happy that he’s willing to serve after all this baloney.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....90162.html

    Herman Cain and Puddydummy are sad right now. Christie, the imperious overweight bully, is looking almost moderate compared to so much of the right wing..

  136. 168

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    64. ButtPutty who still smells bad spews:
    Can someone help ekim out? Apparently a well known lefty involved phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it has no bearing to his leetle bitty mind.

    Eh, ButtPutty, as usual your logic is skewed. We don’t know the date when NoTW began phone hacking or the alleged (as in not been proven yet) date The Daily Mirror began hacking phones. So you have proven nothing, except in your own mind.

    Again: This story should be of interest to us…how?

  137. 169

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    134. ButtPutty who smells bad spews:

    “well known lefty”
    Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

    “phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
    Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

    He works for CNN taking over Larry King’s show. CNN has been actively covering the phone hacking scandal in England.

    Man this ekim is an idiot. CNN! Why are you changing the subject ekim? I brought up the Piers Morgan phone scandal. You are changing the subject.

    Ah, finally, some sort of connection to CNN. First time you mentioned he was a CNN employee. Specifically a talk show host. I’ve never watched his program and didn’t know he was there.

    So far your so called “Piers Morgan phone scandal” is no more than an allegation, unlike the NoTW phone scandal, which has shut down NoTW and launched an FBI investigation into News Corp in this country as a followup to the British investigation.

    Assuming your “Piers Morgan phone scandal” actually bears fruit, all it proves is that CNN should not hire ex Murdoch employees.

    Again: This story should be of interest to us…how?

  138. 170

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Tax breaks for the job creators?

    By this time should we not know which corporations have been creating jobs? Should they not prove they have created jobs. Good jobs?

    Take Walmart as an example. Basically the only jobs Walmart has created in their stores are low paying part time jobs. They drive other retailers out of business by using unfair business practices, businesses that use to pay decent wages. They have forced their suppliers to relocate their manufacturing outside the country costing our country even more good paying jobs.

    So why should Walmart get any kind of tax breaks?

  139. 171

    spews:

    Wow! Family values aside, what exemplary fiscal responsibility!

    Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.), who has made the media rounds bashing President Obama on the national debt, is being sued for $117,437 in back child support he allegedly owes his ex-wife and their three children, the Chicago Sun-Times reported, according to divorce documents filed in court in December.

    Walsh’s ex-wife Laura Walsh asked a judge to suspend Walsh’s driver’s license until he paid his child support, the newspaper reports. In response, Walsh asks his ex-wife’s lawyer: “Have you no decency?”

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....hp?ref=fpb

  140. 172

    Michael spews:

    Did I get the numbers wrong or are the Republicans, you know the people that want to cut spending and are all freaked out about the debit, offering fewer spending cuts and less debit reduction than the Democrats?

  141. 173

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @159

    we all knew it wouldnt be long before HA’s biggest loser chimed in.

    the chances of you having a decent and happy life slipped away long ago.

    but not worry rujaxoff! We the producers will take care of you! YOU WONT STARVE, I PROMISE!

  142. 174

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @173

    We the producers will take care of you! YOU WONT STARVE, I PROMISE!

    Are you referring to the “Rethug producers” over on the East side of the state? If so, has anybody told you that they are a bunch of Welfare Queens? The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.

  143. 175

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @174

    strawman teh fayle.

    C- for effort though.

    or are you referring to all the illegals that you lefty’s love over in Yakima county? I wonder how much it costs to take of all of them?
    hmmm………………

    I’m sure I probably keep food on your table too…not to worry, this year will be a good one for us – lucky for you and rujaxoff.

  144. 176

    Michael spews:

    @175
    The illegals wouldn’t be there if the farm owners, who trend R in a big way, wouldn’t hire them.

  145. 177

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @175

    I’m sure I probably keep food on your table too…not to worry, this year will be a good one for us – lucky for you and rujaxoff.

    Eh, no. I do work for a living.

    So being a Koch whore pays that well, huh?

  146. 178

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @175
    As Michael says, the illegals work for the Rethug farmers.

    The same farmers who had the very large CLINT! billboards on their property during the last election. The same farmers who cheat their illegal employees out of decent wages. The same farmers who suck up the farm subsidies from the government and bitch about their taxes.

  147. 179

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @177

    I wouldnt know…never met either of the Koch brothers..havent cashed a check from them either.

    nice to see you still have the mysterious koch brothers as your boogeymen..yes, im sure the two brothers are out to CUNTROOL TEH WURLD!(insert evil laughter here)

    @178
    lots of bluster and assumptions…little to no facts. Thanks for playing though.

  148. 180

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @176

    sure they would…lots of free, quality services in the US of A. not so much in Mehico…

  149. 181

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It’s now almost 10 pm in D.C. and still no vote on the GOP’s hellbound-for-veto plan to balance the budget excesses of the spendthrift Bush years on the backs of senior citizens … looks like Boner doesn’t have the votes from his own caucus to pass this turkey … so the Senate won’t have to shoot it down after all.

  150. 182

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @175 So now our newest troll is blaming the debt crisis on immigrants? That figures! Hey, if you’re mad about the national debt, throw all the Republicans out of the country and let the Mexicans stay! Here’s where the debt actually came from:

    http://investmentwatchblog.com.....come-from/

    Yep, that’s right, Wingnut Whack-O-Nomics caused nearly all of it!

  151. 183

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @178
    lots of bluster and assumptions…little to no facts. Thanks for playing though.

    Eh, no. I grew up over there and still go over on a regular basis. Still have lots of friends over there, too.

    The KLINT! signs? Take a drive over there. A lot of them are still up in farmer’s fields from the last election.

    Farmers hiring illegals? Check out the field hands on the farms. You have a few white bosses who speak Spanish and a lot of, well, illegals, who don’t speak English.

    Farmers bitching about taxes? Go to a local coffee shop. Ask the farmers you see there how onerous their taxes are, then be ready to spend a few hours while they unload.

    Farm subsidies? CLINT! himself took them. And you have this guy who got greedy and got caught.

  152. 185

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Koch whore @179 spews
    I wouldnt know…never met either of the Koch brothers..havent cashed a check from them either.

    The Koch brothers wouldn’t deal with trash like you directly. You may be a useful tool, but not worth socializing with. Nor would they write a check to you either. On the other hand, the Kochs do write checks to Americans For Prosperity and other such cut out organizations who don’t have any such qualms.

  153. 186

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Remember how wingers bashed Democratic pols for having ne’er-do-well relatives? (Billy Carter et al.) Well, get a load of this:

    “Rep. Michele Bachmann steadfastly refused Thursday to answer questions about her family’s business and finances, saying that she – not her husband – was the one seeking the White House.”

    Ya, right.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....amily.html

  154. 187

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, one good thing about the gummint going broke next Tuesday is the Bachmanns’ farm subsidies will get cut off.

  155. 188

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Regarding illegals in this country…

    Many years ago we had a few illegals around. Not many, though. You see, if an employer got caught hiring illegals, well he went to jail and had to pay fines. Not many employers wanted to risk that.

    Then we got a new President by the name of Reagan. He changed the law. Then it was OK for employers to hire illegals. But not for the illegals to be hired. And all of a sudden, there was an ever expanding number of illegals flooding into this country willing to work for shit wages.

    Of course now, if you changed the law back to pre-Reagan, you’d get a lot of screaming from said employers because they can’t hire any Americans for shit wages.

  156. 189

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Any bets on “Cundalini” and “Bartertown” being sock puppets for the same idiot?

  157. 190

    Michael spews:

    @180

    Not that you care about facts or anything.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ation.html
    AGUA NEGRA, Mexico — The extraordinary Mexican migration that delivered millions of illegal immigrants to the United States over the past 30 years has sputtered to a trickle, and research points to a surprising cause: unheralded changes in Mexico that have made staying home more attractive.

    A growing body of evidence suggests that a mix of developments — expanding economic and educational opportunities, rising border crime and shrinking families — are suppressing illegal traffic as much as economic slowdowns or immigrant crackdowns in the United States.

    Here in the red-earth highlands of Jalisco, one of Mexico’s top three states for emigration over the past century, a new dynamic has emerged. For a typical rural family like the Orozcos, heading to El Norte without papers is no longer an inevitable rite of passage. Instead, their homes are filling up with returning relatives; older brothers who once crossed illegally are awaiting visas; and the youngest Orozcos are staying put.

    “I’m not going to go to the States because I’m more concerned with my studies,” said Angel Orozco, 18. Indeed, at the new technological institute where he is earning a degree in industrial engineering, all the students in a recent class said they were better educated than their parents — and that they planned to stay in Mexico rather than go to the United States.

  158. 192

    Michael spews:

    @180

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/o.....s.html.csp
    The following editorial appeared Friday in The Dallas Morning News:

    The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the U.S. come from Mexico. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. A big surprise is that Mexican migration appears to have fallen to a trickle because of several factors, not the least of which is an improving job market south of the border.

    Exhaustive academic research suggests multiple, overlapping circumstances are affecting the migration decline, creating a perfect storm of good news for both sides of the border.

    Yes, a growing anti-illegal immigrant sentiment across the U.S. is one ingredient, but this is no cause for hardliners to claim victory. Bigger, yet subtler, economic and social forces are at play, some of them years in the making.

    A major factor is the drooping U.S. economy, which continues to take a heavy toll on immigrants as U.S. employers come under increasing federal pressure to stop hiring anyone who can’t prove legal work status. If migrants can’t find jobs, the higher expense of life in America cancels out any meager economic benefit from being here.

    All of the sudden, life in Mexico is looking a lot better.

    At the same time, Mexico’s economy is taking off, having reached a 5.5 percent growth rate last year according to The New York Times. Job growth is particularly strong in the manufacturing and export sector along the U.S. border. Even in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, job growth rivals that of the healthiest U.S. cities. An 8.2 percent increase in Mexican manufacturing jobs appears to be providing much of the incentive for workers to stay in their own country, rather than migrate north.

  159. 193

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    10. ButtPutty, still smelling as bad as usual, spews:

    But, I do love this article…

    MEDIA MATTERS
    Rachel Maddow, MSNBC sued for defamation
    ‘Left-wing television commentators must be made to respect … the law’

    Oh, I’m sure you do, ButtPutty. But again, another story with much ado about nothing.

    Let’s see. Is this a serious or frivolous slander lawsuit? Slander is a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation. And in order to win such a suit:

    1) You must actually have been slandered.
    2) The slander must somehow have caused real damage of some sort.

    And the problems Bradlee Dean has with his suit are:

    1) Rachel didn’t lie.
    2) Bradlee wasn’t damaged.

    And to top it off, Bradlee is a well known gay basher with a long history of gay bashing.

    But go ahead, believe what you will, but the Google and the YouTube knows the truth.

    Google search Bradlee Dean homosexuals
    YouTube search Bradlee Dean homosexuals

  160. 194

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Earlier this year the MN House Republicans invited ButtPutty’s hero, Bradlee Dean, to give the morning prayer, and Bradlee did so. After the prayer, Republican House leader Zellers issued a written statement:

    “I respectfully apologize to all members in the Minnesota House of Representatives and all citizens of this state for today’s morning prayer. As Speaker of the House, I take responsibility for this mistake. I am offended at the presence of Bradlee Dean on the floor of the Minnesota House of Representatives. I denounce him, his actions and his words. He does not represent my values or the values of this state.”

    Later Zellers also said:

    “I can only ask you for your forgiveness … That type of person will never, ever be allowed on the House floor again.”

  161. 197

    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Essentially, he gave a highly controversial political speech disguised as a prayer. Shut down the House until the Rs figured out how to get out of the mess Dean created for them.

    See http://www.startribune.com/pol.....26544.html or Google “Bradlee Dean Minnesota House Chamber”

  162. 198

    Michael spews:

    Mr. Dean sayz:

    Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws

    Mr. Dean, it would seem, is unaware that the Muslim faith is one of three branches of Abrahamic Faith, the other two being Judaism & Christianity of course.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

  163. 199

    That there is Cundalini....and Cundalini wants his hand back spews:

    @189

    well duh! are you that fucking slow witted?

    christ some people are slow.

  164. 200

    americafirst spews:

    @192. Michael spews:

    At the same time, Mexico’s economy is taking off, having reached a 5.5 percent growth rate last year according to The New York Times. Job growth is particularly strong in the manufacturing and export sector along the U.S. border. Even in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, job growth rivals that of the healthiest U.S. cities. An 8.2 percent increase in Mexican manufacturing jobs appears to be providing much of the incentive for workers to stay in their own country, rather than migrate north.
    ———————————-
    Good point, yet another Obama promise kept. He solved the illegal immigration problem by ruining our economy to the point that the Mexican economy does far better than the American.

    @182. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @175 So now our newest troll is blaming the debt crisis on immigrants? That figures! Hey, if you’re mad about the national debt, throw all the Republicans out of the country and let the Mexicans stay! Here’s where the debt actually came from:

    http://investmentwatchblog.com.....come-from/

    Yep, that’s right, Wingnut Whack-O-Nomics caused nearly all of it!
    ——————————————
    Another good point, what about that Obama promise to cut the debt in half? Put your glasses on and look for the largest spike in debt since WWII; that would be right after Obama and the Dims came to power.

    @181. Roger Rabbit spews:
    … looks like Boner doesn’t have the votes from his own caucus to pass this turkey … so the Senate won’t have to shoot it down after all.
    ————————————
    You fell for that bullshit?

    @174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
    The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.
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    Yet another good job at stepping on your own point; Yakima County probably has the highest per capita illegal alien rate in the state.

    @163. Roger Rabbit spews:
    Republicans are now opting for Solyent Green.
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    You date yourself with that one.

    @154. Roger Rabbit spews:
    Many U.S. corporations now derive a substantial part of their revenue and profits overseas. They’re reluctant to repatriate those foreign profits because doing so would subject them to U.S. taxes. The business lobby has been asking Congress for a “tax holiday” that would allow them to bring that money into the U.S. tax-free.
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    Thanks, I do remember hearing of that now and it makes more sense.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    @174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
    The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.
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    Yet another good job at stepping on your own point; Yakima County probably has the highest per capita illegal alien rate in the state.

    Not so, oh shit for brains. The illegals would not be there if your “Rethug producers” did not hire them.

    And all the Rethug counties in the state, except for one, suck at the state’s teat, and the one that doesn’t, only contributes a small cash flow to the state. They are a nothing but a bunch of fucking Welfare Queens who bitch about their taxes being too high.

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    Michael spews:

    @201
    The really bad part about the welfare queens in Yakima county is that all that state and federal money distorts the markets. It makes it harder for farmers, who don’t have all those connections and get all those subsides* to farm, it makes it harder to keep land closer to population centers in production and leads to the building of ticky-tacky subdivisions on farm land and so on.

    *Most of the subsides are gobbled up by a small group of farmers.

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    Michael spews:

    Sorry righties, but your beloved Republicans are the reason we have an illegal immigration problem.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    The House vote is still on hold. The Boner has got to be feeling very limp right now. His hobbits are in revolt and the DJ is going down. And the best the Rethugs can spin it is that this is the fault of the Senate Dems. If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

    Oh, what is a Boner to do?

    Lawrence O’Donnell spelled out one answer. The Boner could work a deal with the House Dems. You know, a compromise bill a majority from both sides could agree on. Then all the Boner would need is maybe 50 of his saner (non hobbit) Rethugs to vote for it and the Dems could round up the rest of the needed votes.

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    No time for fascists spews:

    Puddy,
    You never answered the question:
    Puddy, do you support Mr Dean’s assertion that Muslims who kill gays are more moral than Christians?

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    President to hobbits:

    Raising the debt limit means we can pay our bills. Bills congress has already authorized ans the US is committed to paying. It does not authorize new spending.

    Where did the debt come from? Dick Cheney:

    Reagan proved deficits don’t matter. We won the (2002) midterms. This is our due.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Why don’t the hobbits want to pay the bills? After all, it is their side that wanted to build bridges to nowhere.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    You buy a house with a mortgage. You think that you get to keep the house if you stop paying on the loan? You do if you are a hobbit.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Where is ButtPutty and the other trolls? My guess is they are being briefed by their masters on how to spin this mess.

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    spews:

    209. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    Where is ButtPutty and the other trolls? My guess is they are being briefed by their masters on how to spin this mess.

    07/29/2011 at 7:43 am

    I’d like to think that even the trolls are disgusted with the mess the Republicans have created…

    …like THAT’S gonna happen.

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    Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:

    180. Shit for brains spews:
    @176
    sure they would…lots of free, quality services in the US of A. not so much in Mehico

    You Rethugs should know. The Rethug counties are the biggest Welfare Queens in the state.

    Rethug motto: There is such a thing as a free lunch. (You just have to make the Dems pay for it.)

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    americafirst spews:

    @201. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
    Not so, oh shit for brains. The illegals would not be there if your “Rethug producers” did not hire them.
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    The farmers aren’t paying for the illegals’ welfare, food stamps and health care, the taxpayers do that. Try to focus on what you were talking about, nitwit;
    @174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
    The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.

    However it is good to see you recognize that the laws against hiring illegals are not being enforced by Obama, and I’m sure you support tougher enforcement.