Open Thread 6/12/2014!

- With how often I talk about how gross coal trains are, we can also remember that oil trains are also gross, and maybe we should have better disclosure.

– What the everloving fuck, Pat Robertson?

– I’m not as big on calling out a history of not voting by candidates. Policy ought to trump that. If the candidates are similar, it’s maybe a tiebreaker. But a campaign making excuses in a way that makes it seem they don’t understand they’re in a vote by mail state is maybe worse.

Eric Cantor got what he deserved: A political fraud’s stunning demise

– Oh hey, the Backbone Campaign are having a fundraiser. It looks like fun.


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    Cantor’s defeat might not be about immigration or other issues. I read a MSM analysis that attributed his defeat to making himself unpopular in his district by treating constituents badly. In other words, he was focused on becoming Speaker and ignored the people who elected him to represent them.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    What, no snarky commentary on Iraq?

    Newt Gingrich ✔ @newtgingrich

    Obama was right. Al Queada IS on the run…straight into Baghdad.

    Someone had to bring it up.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Have fun storming the castle:

    RICHMOND, Va. – Immediately after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor exited the room following his concession speech, a group of political demonstrators stormed inside, at the Westin Hotel off Forest Avenue.

    They came in shouting and waving a large flag, along with a red shirt printed with the name CASA De Virginia.

    The group defines itself as a community organization that protects civil rights, according to their Twitter page.

    Several skirmishes occurred as the crowd shouted swarmed into the room. Someone in the group knocked the glasses off of a CASA de Virginia member. A Cantor supporter was put in a choke hold, seemingly by someone trying to remove her from the room.

    Apparently the demonstrators were upset that Cantor’s margin of loss was not greater. It couldn’t have been about immigration. Roger Rabbit @ 1 said so.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Bush said we had to invade Iraq to stop al-Qaeda. Invasion now handed part of Iraq to people too extreme for al-Qaeda
    Retweeted by Goldy

    So, if the mission wasn’t accomplished, why didn’t Obama ensure a SOFA?

    The Obama-Biden plan will help us succeed in Iraq by transitioning to Iraqi control of their country.

    Obama and Biden’s plan will help create lasting stability in Iraq. A phased withdrawal will encourage Iraqis to take the lead in securing their own country and making political compromises, while the responsible pace of redeployment called for by the Obama-Biden plan offers more than enough time for Iraqi leaders to get their own house in order. As our forces redeploy, Obama and Biden will make sure we engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society — in and out of government — to forge compromises on oil revenue sharing, the equitable provision of services, federalism, the status of disputed territories, new elections, aid to displaced Iraqis, and the reform of Iraqi security forces.

    The Status-of-Forces Agreement

    Obama and Biden believe it is vital that a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) be reached so our troops have the legal protections and immunities they need.

    Adding this part so the spew hopefully isn’t deleted. Whatever mistake(s) GWB43 may have made in his decision to invade Iraq, that doesn’t absolve Obama/Biden from responsibility for the disaster currently unfolding because they didn’t secure a SOFA.

    A SOFA doesn’t just to protect our people. It protects the gains they worked so hard to secure.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:


    GOP refusal to raise the minimum wage should be a key part of the 2016 midterms. , #RaiseTheWage, #Inequalityforall
    Retweeted by Goldy

    Midterms are in 2014, Stumpy.

    And 57% – that would be a majority, peeps – oppose when they learn that a federal minimum wage increase to $10.10 might cost as many as a million jobs.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported last month that moving to a $10.10 minimum wage would increase the earnings of about 16.5-million low-wage workers, but also cause the loss of about 500,000 jobs.

    Presented with that information, 57% of the 1,001 respondents said the trade-off was unacceptable. About a third — 34% — said it was acceptable.

    For some reason Goldy keeps leaving that part out.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 5 — “It’s amazing how quickly an economic report can turn into an attack ad. The claims stems from new numbers from the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan fiscal scorekeeper, that came out just last week.

    We’ve already rated similar statements a couple of times already. We said they’re Mostly False.

    Here’s the problem with the ad’s claim:

    The CBO estimated that by 2017, there would be the equivalent of about 2 million fewer workers than there would be in the absence of the law. The CBO said that number would grow to about 2.5 million by 2024.

    The ad misinterprets the difference between “workers” and “jobs.” And the word “costs” makes it seem like these are positions that employers are eliminating as a result of the Affordable Care Act.

    Instead, the CBO report says that with Obamacare in place providing greater access to insurance on the individual market and subsidies to help pay for it, some Americans will decide on their own to work less.”

    …………………………………… Some people present factoids — you present facturds.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 9

    Those are two different issues.

    I referred to a CBO report on potential effects of a federal minimum wage increase. You referred to a CBO report having to do with effects of Obamacare.

    Apology accepted. Have a nice day, Lucy.

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    Teabaggerq spews:

    @2 – that’s not al queda, that’s bush’s creation of Islamic terrorists of Iraq,. They are not al-queda. Iraqi Taliban, like the new GOP

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    Teabaggerq spews:

    @3 they appear to be harmless…unlike the Conservative Right Wing gun toting domestic terrorists.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 10: The issue that you raise about the increase in minimum wage causing job loss is not the issue that I am talking about. I’m talking about the way Republicans twist the meaning of the CBO reports to make them seem that they are saying that the issue (be it minimum wage or the Affordable Care Act) is costing jobs.

    I might take your interest in potential job losses more seriously if you would apply that finely tuned mind of yours to explaining why we were losing 700,000 jobs per month at the tail end of the Bush administration — the result of 30 years of Republican economic policy???

    You just conjure up potential job losses to make a cheap political shot. You don’t really care about the facts.

    And by the way, as far as apologizing to you about anything, I can only quote our former fearless leader Dick Cheney: “GFY!”

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 13

    You just conjure up potential job losses to make a cheap political shot.

    So, I take it that saying it’s a ‘corporate lie’ isn’t a reason for you? Better tried that one out, at least for awhile.

    That ‘cheap political shot’ is a potential near-1% of the country’s working population out of a job. Maybe that’s worth it, if so many others get a raise and ‘lifted out of poverty’, or so I keep reading. Maybe it is.

    All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t act as if there isn’t going to be a cost, and perhaps a substantial one.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Yeah, that’ll do it.

    Samantha Power ✔ @AmbassadorPower
    Strongly condemn attacks in Mosul by the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (#ISIL), and its efforts to turn back clock on #Iraq’s progress.

    Nothing like a strongly-worded tweet to express US policy in the face of a rapidly developing crisis.

    It’s too bad State didn’t try that during the Benghazi attack. We’d probably still have our four guys if they had.

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    It’s too bad State didn’t try that during the Benghazi attack. We’d probably still have our four guys if they had.

    What???? State is at fault not Obama??? OMG.. The ODS maybe be weaker in this one Obi-Wan

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    Steve spews:

    “It’s too bad State didn’t try that during the Benghazi attack. We’d probably still have our four guys if they had.”

    Hmm, both snide and stupid. Heh. Bob must be back.

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    Steve spews:

    Posting as Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon, I was hoping to be the one to pound the final nail into the (un)SP coffin. But, dammit, I reckon now that Jim Miller’s posts will be what kills that blog. Actually, I’m good with that. I reckon now that there’s no more fitting way for that POS blog to die than with Miller’s present posting, following the killings in Nevada, no less, of an “enemies” list of Democrats.

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Does Steve still drink his patented Stupid Solution…? Of course… It is named “Steve’s Stupid Solution” for a reason!

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Remember Joe BiteME on CNN in 2010?

    “I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government,” said Biden.

    “I spent — I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months — three months. I know every one of the major players in all of the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”

    Once again Joe BiteME bites hisself. Will Joe head there next month? Inquiring minds wanna know!

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Joe BiteME a cheap labor conservative? Must be> Joe BiteME is always “correct” in his phrasing.

    Vice President Joseph R. Biden told a National Association of Manufacturers’ crowd this week that what the United States needed was more, not fewer, immigrants.

    Specifically, he called for a “constant, unrelenting stream” of new immigrants — “not dribbling [but] significant flows,” to bolster the national economy, The Hill reported.

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    Steve spews:




    Whew! It’s just a harmless link. I gotta say, Puddy, these days it makes me nervous when you Cliven Bundy revolutionaries on the extreme right even mention cops.

    Speaking of Cliven, am I correct in assuming that you’re taking his lifestyle advice for blacks to heart?

    Now that’s too funny! Gotcha!

    Seriously, I hope all is well.

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:


    Puddy doesn’t take Bundy’s suggestions to heart. Read the Bible. Take them to heart!

    Hope all is well back at you!

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    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Thursday was election day in the Canadian province of Ontario to elect the provincial government. When the election was called, with all the scandals with the incumbent party, it was Progressive Conservatives leader Tim Hudak’ s election to lose. Well, he lost it. Liberal leader, and Provincial Parliament member for the Toronto riding of Don Valley West , Kathleen Wynne and her Liberal Party were ‘re-elected, and even gained seats.!/content/1.2673844/

    When Wynne first ran for office, the local school board, her opponent called her a radical lesbian. Well, the latter part is true. Besides being the first provincial premier from the LGBT community, she is also the first woman premier elected in Ontario.

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    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    In New York, with most avenues under the Railway Labor Act exhausted, a massive commuter rail strike could happen as early as July 20th, when the cooling off period expires. Two Presidential Emergency Board’s have sided with the unions, and if a strike happens, Congress could impose those recommendations. Well, representatives from the MTA Long Island Rail Road, and the Sheet Metal, Airline and Rail Transportation Union have agreed to resume negotiations.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 31

    The unions said they would negotiate only if the common goal were implementing the board’s recommendations, which called for 17 percent raises over six years and no changes to employee work rules or pensions.

    Railfan, why would Congress, part of which is the GOP-controlled House, impose raises like that without rule or pension changes, please?

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    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    32) Probably because of what a strike can do. The LIRR moves around 300,000 people a day, way more than SOUNDER carries(around 10,000 a day). Also, the Railway Labor Act allows secondary boycott, so pickets could go up at facilities they share with other MTA properties, such as the Subway. The Railway Labor Act was written by a Republican administration and Congress, by the way. I believe Rep. Peter King joined other NYC-area congressman in a letter supporting such a settlement.

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    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Goldy @GoldyHA

    I really need to buy a new wardrobe (i.e. my annual purchase of two new pairs of jeans).

    Then maybe next time you’re on national TV you won’t be interviewed while wearing a T-shirt.

    George Costanza was SO ’90s.

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Wow, Da Perfessa, I guess, decided to remove this link…

    Now why would HA DUMMOCRETIN heads remove this link? Truth scares DUMMOCRETINS!

    Phoenix police collected physical evidence from the Catholic church where one priest was killed and another critically injured Wednesday night, but investigators are desperately seeking more information about the crimes, Phoenix Police Chief Daniel V. Garcia said at a Thursday news conference.

    This is sad… Now watch!

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Have you noticed while Obummer has been screwing up royally GW Bush has said nothing, unlike Willie Cigar Clinton did during the Bush Presidency?

    A request for comment from the former president was met with a non-response from his communications director Freddy Ford, who told MailOnline: ‘I don’t have a comment for you. When he left office President Bush decided not to criticize his successor.’

    GW Bush a man of honor. Cigar Clinton… another DUMMOCRETIN scumbag!

    Meanwhile only 35% think Obummer is doing a good job. These are the hard core 35% DUMMOCRETINS!

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    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    And you wonder why Real American despise union thuggery…

    Last week, Crain’s New York Business reported that a union front group, the Big Labor muscle behind it and the politicians in their back pockets are calling on Wal-Mart to cease its charitable activity and, in the words of City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, “stay out of New York City.” Speaker Mark-Viverito and twenty-six of her colleagues – over half the council – signed what they referred to as “a cease-and-desist letter” to Wal-Mart, demanding that the company “stop spending … dangerous dollars in our city.”

    These “dangerous dollars” donated by Wal-Mart last year went to such terrifyingly controversial charities as Goodwill, the New York City Coalition Against Hunger, Iris House and City Harvest, according to the Crain’sreport. City Harvest picks up nearly 126,000 pounds of leftover food from restaurants and grocery stores every day and delivers it to places like food banks, where it can be distributed to the hungry instead of going to waste.

    Oh my… And the NYC DUMMOCRETIN political hack machine is involved with their union thugs. Stopping charitable contributions from WalMart? These are low information politicians, put into office by low information voters… All DUMMOCRETIN! And you HA leftist pinheads wonder why conservatives dislike union thuggery! Proof in the article.