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  1. 3

    enough is enough spews:

    We can we start executing the wiki-leaks freaks?

    I will volunteer a rope.

    their bodies should hang from a yardarm at the pentagon until it decomposes and falls apart for all to see.

    time to start treating traitors like traitors.

  2. 5

    notaboomer spews:

    nwcn just did a half hour special about the thwarted terrist xmas tree lighting bomber of portland. virtually the whole show featured unchallenged fbi affidavit quotes. they did find a law prof who said he was convinced that no entrapment occurred. and mayor sam adams saying portland may reconsider joining the joint terrism task force and condemning the overnight burning of the corvallis suspect;’s corvallis mosque. and it’s civil war week in corvallis.

  3. 7

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 3

    The very foundation of our Democratic Republic is a well-informed and educated population.

    Thats what the First Amendment is all about. No information, no ability by the public to make the decisions necessary for us to maintain our free republic. When government or its agents withhold information, they are manipulating the outcome of those decisions.

    “The most effectual means of preventing [the perversion of power into tyranny are] to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes.”

    –Thomas Jefferson: Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779. FE 2:221, Papers 2:526

    “The most effectual means of preventing [the perversion of power into tyranny are] to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes.”

    –Thomas Jefferson: Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779. FE 2:221, Papers 2:526

    Seems to me, that Wikileaks is serving a necessary function of our Free State.

  4. 8

    enough is enough spews:

    @7

    and I’m sure you would have no problem if say, someone transfered top secret data to China or the Soviets during the cold war, eh?

  5. 9

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @ 7,8

    There he goes – I was waiting for this – our new troll enoughisenough (eie) just called you a Commie traitor, Deathfrogg (see my response to him on the Bible thread).

    His line of thinking will take him from these attacks calling you a traitor your country and will proceed to calling you a traitor to your religion and race, most likely. DF, you will be made thoroughly “other” to the point that your elimination will seen logical and necessary. And eie will be part of the militia that will round you up in the dark of night.

  6. 10

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Time for the leftists to take an inventory here–

    Monday, November 29, 2010

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16. Fifty-one percent (51%) of voters worry that the government will do too much in responding to the nation’s economic woes. Just 39% fear it will do too little. Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters now say it’s at least somewhat likely the health care law will be repealed. That’s the highest yet. Thirty-nine percent (39%) say repeal is unlikely. Most voters continue to favor repeal.

    It seems to me ImamObaMao has wrapped his presidency around ObamaCare and massive deficit spending. He will change course. He must. If the lame-duck Congress tries to cram more of this foul stuff down the throats of Americans, 2012 will be worse than 2010 for y’all.

    So what to do?
    Gut ObamaCare…allow some minor changes to stay so Obama can save face. The Republican House will pass many simple straightforward bills and force the Senate to deal with them. 23 out of 33 Senate Seats in 2012 are currently held by Dems and 14 or so will be hotly contested…especially if Dem Senators stop the gutting of ObamaCare, insist on earmarks and don’t seriously reduce the deficit with more than smoke-and-mirrors accounting.

    If it gets past the Senate, then Obama will be forced to use the Veto pen.

    My guess is lots of Dem Senators will vote for Republican Legislation as long as it is straightforward & simple. They will force Obama to take the brunt of the anger for HIS agenda.

  7. 11

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 8

    Heh, ‘nother one. Christ, they’re like fruit flies in the kitchen.

    There were no “top secret” (you’ve been watching too much TV) documents released.

    Much of the communique’s were cold war documents from the 1960’s and 70’s. Much of it was concerned with our “allies” and the activities of their own intelligence services.

    If you had read any of them, you would now know that most of Al-Queida’s funding comes from wealthy dissidents in Saudi Arabia, and some coming from the Saudi Royal family itself. You would now know that the Chinese government made serious attempts to crash US government servers through Google a few years ago.

    Much of the data is unclassified, and much of it is normal interagency communications.

    yes, I would have a problem with someone passing highly classified data to an enemy. but as I recall, the greatest intelligence scandals all occurred during Republican presidential administrations.

    Spy vs Spy. Its the oldest government game in the world. Nobody is immune, and nobody is incorruptible.

    When you graduate High School Mr. EiE, let me know. It just might be possible to educate you.

  8. 13

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 12

    Likely a Mossad operation. They don’t have any rules regarding assassinations except for “don’t mess this up”. Mossad has used that technique before. Stick a magnetic shaped charge to the drivers side door on the highway, then hit the brakes and push the trigger. Blend into traffic and drive away.

  9. 14

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Your Hero @ WikiLeaks may have some problems–
    http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....ror-group/

    The guy is an asshole…but I know he is your hero as you folks demand to know everything the government is doing, right? Open Book. Right?
    I mean for 8 years you demanded hearings on pretty much everything..even impeachment!

    Obama is finding out governing is Hard Work!
    I say this type of leaking of documents is a terrorist act and the leaker should be prosecuted.
    Go get him!
    This will be an interesting dilemma for Obama & Hillary. It may just be the issue to seperate them and launch her run in 2012. She will want to go after this asshole. Obama will tell her to back off…or make a lot of noise and do nothing. Hillary will want & demand action.

  10. 15

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Deathfrogg–@13-
    But do you think anyone in the Obama Administration was informed of this?
    Do you oppose it?

  11. 17

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @15

    I really don’t have a dog in that hunt. I’ve never been a fan of Isreali methods. They actively reject most diplomacy in favor of ruthlessness and direct actions that really don’t sit well with me. They’ve sabotaged other countries diplomatic efforts around the world many times, including our own. Israel has become its own worst enemy in many ways. They waste too much effort on putting out little fires that they themselves create instead of preventing such in the first place. They’re so busy thinking that everyone (including the US) is an enemy or a potential enemy that they leave much of their own civilization to rot.

    I would think that the U.S. President would be informed about any such operation only after the fact. But, that doesn’t mean anything. I could be wrong about that. We will likely never know for sure anyway.

  12. 18

    spews:

    Heh. I once compared Puddybud to Otto the Pilot. The “blowup” scene is priceless.

    Groped, porno-scanned? The fool would love it!

    Leslie Nielsen, RIP.

  13. 19

    spews:

    The wikileaks dump is a two edged sword.

    A priceless insight into how America does its business abroad for all us critics.

    OTOH, America will have to alter how it does business either for the better or (more likely) for the worse.

    Much more contentious relations with other countries, both enemies and nominal allies, will result.

    Right now Noam Chomsky is grimacing.

  14. 21

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    17. Deathfrogg spews:

    Israel has become its own worst enemy in many ways. They waste too much effort on putting out little fires that they themselves create instead of preventing such in the first place

    Perhaps…but remember they are surrounded by countries that have pronounced to the world they will destroy Israel. As a tiny country surrounded by militant Muslim’s, perhaps you can see why the small fires matter. It’s easy for us to dismiss their actions as over-reactions but…….we are sitting in the comfort of our homes with lots of protection.

  15. 22

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Obama is apparently serious about getting re-elected!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....employees/

    There is $2 BILLION potentially saved.
    Seems like a drop in the bucket by itself, but another 500 of these and he’s got $1 TRILLION!
    Good for him.
    Obama is beginning to pull a Clinton…much to the chagrine of the big government leftists.
    Let’s see how far he goes?
    ObamaCare is next! Gone.
    With 111 and growing exemptions and lots of other obvious problems, it will be gutted if not repealed.
    How would you folks feel about that?

  16. 24

    spews:

    With one small mosque office fire, Muslims are now portraying themselves as the victims. The focus has shifted. Very, very shrewd.

    Game recognize game.

  17. 25

    zzippy spews:

    @16,

    I think the more relevant question is, who has the most to gain from the fake terrorist attack in Portland?

  18. 26

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Troll–
    Also in Oregon, Muslim’s are publicly crying “fear of retribution”. Another wonderful shift. They are also throwing out the idea this 19 year old was lead into this by evil law enforcement.
    This kid gets busted…but they are victims and he might be too. Sheesh.

    And here is a list of issues raised from the Leftist WikiLeaks documents–
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_.....aks-cables

  19. 31

    spews:

    Whoa!

    “If Dick Lugar,” said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, “having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/.....overboard/

    That party went insane long ago. When is the country going to wake up about it?

  20. 32

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    This WikiLeaks debacle shows once again ImamObaMao’s incompetence as a leader.

    Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., ranking Republican on the House intelligence committee, called the leak a “colossal failure” with respect to the intelligence community.
    “This database should never have been created. Hundreds of thousands of people should not have been provided access to it. This is a colossal failure by our intel community, by our Department of Defense to keep classified information secret,” he said on ABC.

    What a bunch of fools in the Obama Administration. Watch no one be held accountable…until the 2012 elections!!
    That’s fine…let Obama & Holder talk tough and do nothing. Voters will want to know about A-C-T-I-O-N…Obama’s least favorite thing.
    Obama is like a gasbagging college professor.
    Philosophizing about everything…and calling that leadership.
    2 more years. Thank God.

  21. 33

    Steve spews:

    @32 “Thank God.”

    Good Lord, you’re fucking stupid. I’ll be thanking God if you ever STFU and quit littering these threads with your idiocy.

  22. 34

    spews:

    32 – Wow. The KLOWN joining in the clown chorus of second-guessing our valiant men and women overseas.

    What a “patriot”.

    And see 29.

  23. 36

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Right now Noam Chomsky is grimacing.

    Bull! Nice try ylb…

    WHO’S DEFENDING HIM?
    In July, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said his organization has “committed funds” to legally defend Manning, though he refused to say whether Manning was the source of the leaked documents. Assange said WikiLeaks would offer his military-appointed legal team money if it wanted to go for civilian counsel. His family in the UK thinks he did the right thing.
    Among others, U.S. linguist and intellectual Noam Chomsky has joined the campaign to support Manning. According to a post in http://www.bradleymanning.org, Chomsky wrote: “It is a privilege to join the campaign to support Bradley Manning for his courage and integrity in serving his country by helping make the government accountable to its citizens, and to inform the world of what its people should know.”

  24. 37

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Nothing lit his fire like grooming those young male pages.

    Was he he is despicable like you, was he found guilty of anything ylb?

    Nope you Dope!

  25. 38

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Heh. I once compared ylb to a dumb brick. Puddy apologized to dumb bricks. Look it up ylb.

  26. 39

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    But I can’t help thinking only bad will come from this.

    You’re right for a change ylb. Skelton is one of your political boys. Shows what the DUMBOCRATS say in public is something completely different in private! Butt this is strange

    (U) CODEL Skelton, consisting of House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D, MO) and Mrs. Skelton, …

    When was Mrs Skelton sworn in?

  27. 40

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Hey ylb, under who’s preznitial watch did this “informational exchange” happen?

    Think Progress is your latest kook-aid site?

    Nuff SAID Sucka!

  28. 41

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Standard DUMBOCRAT play book...

    The second-ranking House Democrat said Monday that President Obama’s move to freeze the pay of civilian federal employees should also be extended to military personnel.

    Why do DUKMBOCRATS hate our military?

  29. 42

    Steve spews:

    “was he found guilty of anything”

    And with that Puddy will accept diapers, toe-tapping, blowjobs in park toilets, walks on the Appalachian Trail – the whole ball of wax. Puddy’s good with all of it as long as the Republican perv doesn’t get convicted in court. Of course, when a Republican is completely disgraced, that Republican is suddenly transformed into a member of the Alan Greenspan wing of the Democratic Party. And in the end, Puddy’s and the Republican’s shit don’t stink. Never does. Smells like roses.

  30. 43

    enough is enough spews:

    manditory executions for crooked politicians.

    you would be amazed how quickly our system would magically clean itself up.

    time get serious and stop being a bunch of pussies.

  31. 44

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Steve Steve Steve is certifiably loony on Steve’s Stupid Solution. This is the same fool who asked Puddy to prove what Puddy originally wrote about Mark Foley last year chastising Mark Foley. When Puddy delivered the goods Stupid Solution Steve apologized and said Puddy was right. Now we read what Stupid Solution Steve wrote above. Ask the databaze king Stupid Solution Steve.

    Lata gata!

  32. 46

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Wrong Stupid Solution Steve. We know for sure you are loony!

  33. 47

    Steve spews:

    Um, I’m not the one with the psycho-laugh problem, Puddy. Er, I thought you should know.

  34. 48

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    There is no laugh problem except when it’s reverberating inside your empty skull. This is one of the great unsolved mysteries, your empty skull.

  35. 49

    enough is enough spews:

    fuck, will you two go get a room and just get it overwith already? All this foreplay is getting redundant.

    :)

  36. 50

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    enough, Puddy already commented on the wikileaks drama.

  37. 52

    Steve spews:

    I’ve always said that I love my friend Puddy, but I don’t mean it quite that way. Besides, I’m much too good looking for him, I’m sure. heh-

  38. 53

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Steve, Puddy been seen at DL. They can speak for Puddy’s looks. Besides, Puddy not a manoftruth or blue john or windie, etc.

  39. 54

    spews:

    36 – As usual Puddybud is too stupid to get it. Chomsky is grimacing because he told us so – for freaking years.. There’s no joy in that you asshole.

    There it all is in the wikileaks cables – how American does business in the world.

    How fucking stupid you are Puddybud.

    Chomsky supports Manning? Good!

    was he found guilty of anything ylb?

    Yep, betraying the trust of the parents of those kids – many of them HIS OWN CONSTITUENTS!

    Is that how he repays the trust of his constituents – by grooming their kids for sex?

    STRIKE TWO FOR THE STUPID ONE!

    When was Mrs Skelton sworn in?

    Oh my! Who says a congress critter’s spouse can’t go along on a junket especially if they have pertinent skills or knowledge to contribute?

    STRIKE THREE FOR SUPER MORON PUDDYBUD – the “OTTO PILOT” of the HA comment threads!

    HE’S OUT! (of his stupid skull.)

  40. 55

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Oh goodie the fool ylb arrived.

    Let’s go backward… Here’s the pitch… Mrs Skelton was in the meeting… per the message… when was she elected moron? There’s a high fly ball to deep center field… It’s outta here, a grand salami. Score Puddy 4 ylb 0

    Mark Foley… Here’s the pitch… ABC News plays text messages… tries him in the court of Public Opinion…. FBI says he broke no laws… You are still stupid… There’s a high fly ball to deep center field… It’s outta here, a grand salami. Score Puddy 8 ylb 0

    Noam Chomsky… Here’s the pitch… hater of America loved by progressive whack jobs like ylb. Been asking ylb ever since he arrived on HA why does ylb hate America? Still no answer from the chronologically challenged. Now we see Chomsky backs Bradley Manning while Odumba and his merry elves don’t. There’s a high fly ball to deep center field… It’s outta here, a grand salami. Score Puddy 12 ylb 0

    ylb so naturally stupid his son recognized it at an early age. Good reuse of Puddy’s skull comment above. You never have an original thought. It comes from kook-aid sites.

  41. 56

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Just an update on ImamObaMao.
    He’s doing particularly poorly with the Independents. Not sure he can pull off a “Clinton” the next 2 years. Too much baggage and incompetence…especially with this WikiLeaks. He had 6 months warning before the docs were posted…and did NOTHING! Now it’s like a shock.
    What an empty suit ImamObaMao is.
    And I’m not the only one who thinks so.

    Tuesday, November 30, 2010

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17.
    Fifty-one percent (51%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 73% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 20% Strongly Approve and 45% Strongly Disapprove.

    The R’s are +6 in the Generic Polls.
    Being a Leader is HARD WORK..something ImamObaMao is unaccustomed to.

  42. 59

    spews:

    when was she elected

    Freaking stupid again. What was said in the meeting? Probably no more than what’s been said publicly probably otherwise Netanyahu would have insisted codel only. Think of this: if Netanyahu’s arguments make an impression with a Congressman’s wife – that might influence the Congressman. Puddybud should support this because to him Israel is the country that can do no wrong especially if it’s a right wing Israeli in charge.

    Noam Chomsky does not like American foreign policy in many parts of the world. He speaks out. He says why. Agree with him or disagree with him. He says in America, he’s free to speak out. He likes that. He’s said so in interviews. Stupid right wingers can’t see the forest for the trees again.

    Puddybud again stoops to feckless attack using my kid. S’ok. He won’t send his kids to kill people with funny last names in foreign lands or practice that enhanced interrogation that he loves to watch on 24. It might mean they’ll consume a microgram of pork slop in their MRE and condemn their souls to HELL. Not for Puddybud’s kids. For other kids – that’s ok. I guess Jesus doesn’t forgive that even if it’s in the performance of the holy duty of killing as many muslims as politics allows.

    Keep on reading that right wing bullshit fool. (You brought Breitbart here over 80 times.) Keep on following your Millerite madness. Keep on being an idiot Puddybud. It suits you very well.

  43. 60

    spews:

    And still nice to see that Puddybud supports a sex predator for Congress.

    As long as those soothing tones of tax cuts for the rich are sung that’s ok for Puddybud.

    Sure sucks to be that fool.

  44. 63

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    And still nice to see that Puddybud supports a sex predator for Congress.

    Where fool ylb? Go check your database moron!

  45. 65

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Once again ylb doesn’t get it… Mrs Skelton is not an elected person.

    Still stupid each day and every way.

    Your son? It was you who brought him up!

    Stupido!

  46. 66

    spews:

    66 – Neither was Laura Bush or Nancy Raygun – idiot!

    And you lied about my son. Go ahead fool – quote my original words on the subject if your feeble “mind” can still manage “tehgoogle”.

    Your “brains” tried and failed when I proved that I supported Obama before John Edwards. That was a classic meltdown of the inflated “Otto Pilot”. Go ahead ask me to point to that.

  47. 67

    spews:

    Mark Foley… Here’s the pitch… ABC News plays text messages… tries him in the court of Public Opinion…. FBI says he broke no laws…

    Where? Try the above. Could have fooled anyone with you doing everything you can to excuse his behavior.

    Every time the opportunity to condemn him comes up, you make the same lame excuse.

  48. 68

    spews:

    Well first Merkel said multiculturalism failed.

    Oh are you saying Merkel shipped a lot of Turks on rail cars to south of the border? Heh. There’s a right wing fantasy for you.

    According to braindead right wing ideology a socialist Germany, a country that taxes its citizenry way higher, should be doing worse than this country instead it’s doing way better.

    Too bad for your failed ideology fool.

  49. 69

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Oh are you saying Merkel shipped a lot of Turks on rail cars to south of the border

    Why do you always try and foist bullshit here? Germany moving from socialism fool. Stop reading kook-aid! Even the Netherlands is moving away from socialism just a little slower.

  50. 70

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Wow ylb, still has that hard-on over Mark Foley. Must be one that stirs your “drink”!

  51. 71

    Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

    Once again ylb still doesn’t get it. When did Mrs Reagan or Mrs Bush sit in a meeting fool? Keep looking moron! The rest of the rant is typical useless bullshit from ylb!

  52. 72

    spews:

    Germany moving from socialism fool.

    What’s their tax rates fool?

    Income tax – HIGHER top rate of 45 percent.

    “Solidarity” charges, VAT…

    We can’t even raise the taxes on the richest people in the world to WAY less than that without you idiots screaming socialism.

    Does anyone in Germany worry about losing their house over medical bills?

    They’re doing better than us stupid.

  53. 73

    Erkki spews:

    Rhetoric about the use of my taxes would be more believable if somebody, anybody would address the fact that we are sending megabucks to the State of Israel to indulge in genocide. Add to that the approved idea of 900 billion to shore up the EU! But that’s OK, we’ll just cut my $1200 mo. SS and make up the difference that way.