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Open Thread 5/31

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– These people aren’t advocating for “life.” They are advocating a political strategy that stigmatizes a legal medical procedure in order to punish those they see as sexually transgressive with either death or the financial instability that follows from a lack of reproductive choice. [h/t]

– The gun violence problem is in Seattle. The solution is in Olympia. Maybe, but let’s not ignore what Seattle can do and let’s also not ignore the gun violence in the rest of the state.

– Chart of the day.

– Lord knows I’m a terrible speller. But Amercia?

– I found this piece on dead pigeons quite fascinating, but note there were some graphic videos/pictures.

– Sometimes I listen to Mariners games on the other team’s feed (you get a different assessment than from the Seattle announcers). Early this season, when they were playing the A’s, the radio guy said that there was another event at the same time as the game the following day, so everybody take public transportation. It wasn’t a wishy-washy you might want to consider type of thing. I don’t know if we need a system as comprehensive as BART before we can not be worried about getting stuck in traffic when we build sports stadiums.

– Honk if you love Jesus

Comments

  1. 1

    WRT chart of the day – we would certainly have more money for schools and colleges if we weren’t spending so profligately on prisons.

    But then, we might not incarcerate/disenfranchise/destroy large segments of the Black and Hispanic communities, and we might have an educated populace as well – noooooo, wouldn’t want that.

  2. 2

    New York is proposing banning the sale of large sodas over 16 ounces to deal with obesity. That’s good. Peeps will just buy two of them and drink more.

  4. 4

    re 2: “Peeps will just buy two of them and drink more.”

    The ‘peeps’ that you are referring to won’t have the money for two sodas — mainly because of the VooDoo economics foisted upon the U.S. by Republicans.

  7. 7

    re 2: Are you implying that a public health rule in New York is the equivalent of what the satirically named ‘pro-lifers’ are doing?

  8. 8

    Maybe it was the hundreds of reporters who flew to Alaska to look at Palin’s emails that make the GOP think that there’s bias, I dunno…….

    http://dyn.politico.com/prints.....7BBCA92508

    Oh, and GWB43’s transcripts were a really important indicator that he was stoooopid, until it turned out that his grades were better than Kerry’s. Small wonder that there was no interest in Obama’s transcripts by the press in 2008. They might have found something unhelpful to their candidate had they looked.

  9. 9

    re 2: Do you think that morally outraged liberals will start bombing soft drink bottling factories?

  10. 10

    Only the United Nations could top Obama awarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the self-avowed communist Dolores Huerta. The United Nations went lower with its decision to honor Zimbabwe murderer Robert Mugabe as an international tourism leader.

    What?

  12. 12

    re 5: No matter how many times your side brought up Chappaquiddick, Edward Kennedy never lost his Senate seat.

  13. 13

    re 11: Your cries of ‘racist’ are far too frequent to carry any weight. You are like the female worker who takes a day off every week because of cramps.

    Does your pussy hurt, Puddy?

  15. 15

    From the Romney slipping thread… I wrote “ylb placed his Politifact link “claiming” Obummer was a wise spender”

    What’s weird is Politifact claimed it.

    ylb farts: Yawwwnnn.. That’s a bald faced lie.. Never claimed that at all..

    Lie upon lie upon lie.. Another day in Puddybud’s delusional universe.
    05/31/2012 at 8:53 am

    Here are the posts…

    1. YLB spews:

    Let’s rephrase this a bit.. On whose watch has federal spending grown SLOWER than moron Dumbya, Papa Dumbya and Ronnie “consult the star charts” Raygun?? Hell, make it every Prez after Ike.

    Yes, it leaves only OBAMA..

    Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation. The math simultaneously backs up Nutting’s calculations and demolishes Romney’s contention. The only significant shortcoming of the graphic is that it fails to note that some of the restraint in spending was fueled by demands from congressional Republicans. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly True.

    http://www.politifact.com/trut.....-lowest-s/

    Is this a good thing?? Hell no! The people need taxing and spending. We have a backlog of creaky infrastructure. Spending much more on that could have lifted us out of this Depression by now. Of course it’s the Republican’s fault things are so crappy.

    28. YLB spews:

    Obama’s National Debt Impact

    Tell it to politifact dumbass. Slowest increase in spending since Ike.

    Debt is increasing because of the Bush Depression.
    05/29/2012 at 9:40 pm

    Thems his words everyone. So who’s lying again. And his crazed deranged debazed databaze failed him again!

  16. 16

    Maybe it was the hundreds of reporters who flew to Alaska to look at Palin’s emails that make the GOP think that there’s bias, I dunno…….

    I know back then she was still threatening to run for President..

    If only she had followed through!

  17. 17

    15 – You stepped in in now stupid..

    Where do you see “wise spender” in any of my original comment?

    Such an idiot.

  18. 18

    Ahhh @17,

    Nice deflection from the above truth in #15. Your words.

    Never said you said it was wise spending.

    Whatadickhead!

  19. 19

    @ 16

    If only she had followed through, The One would not be in the deep shit he currently is in.

    If only Gerald Loughner had been a right-winger.

    If only…..

  21. 21

    re 13: “Does your pussy hurt, Puddy?”

    re 14: “No butt I bet your butt (man pussy) hurts!”

    Well, this is an open thread,so I think it noteworthy that Puddy has finally admitted that he has a pussy.

  22. 22

    “Never said you said it was wise spending.”

    I wrote “ylb placed his Politifact link “claiming” Obummer was a wise spender”

    Oh so you have an out by putting “claiming” in scare quotes?

    Bullshit.. You’re doing what you always do: LYING!

    Such is the behavior of a pathological LIAR!

  23. 23

    The One would not be in the deep shit he currently is in.

    Darryl’s analysis says no.

    By the way I challenge you or Puddybud to find anyone who supports Obama in these comment threads that has ever referred to President Obama as “The One”..

    You’re so obnoxious Bob.

  24. 24

    #54 in the long line of feckless attacks with the failed databaze.

    Scare quotes? is that what they are called now? Keep trying cuz I keep pulling your nose ring chain. Right on time with another entry in your crazed deranged debazed databaze.

    Thanks for playing beta boi!

  27. 27

    If only Gerald Loughner had been a right-winger.

    His reading of Ayn Rand put him on the short list to be a Paul Ryan staffer.

    Just kidding..

  28. 28

    @ 23

    I think ‘The One’ is attributed to Oprah. Although the capitalized letters likely were not intended by her.

    Funny thing…..she seems not to be supporting him this year. My, how things change.

    Speaking of change, anyone want to talk about Artur Davis?

  31. 31

    29 – You’re lying again. I never “claimed” that Obama was a “wise spender”.. Never said those two words. I “claimed” something completely different and I even disapproved of it.

    It’s obvious to anyone who can read.. That doesn’t include you of course.

    And placed the blame where it belongs – on the degenerate right wing Republicans like the Paul Randroid Ryans, the crazy Michelle Bachmanns and the Steve Kings and their bat shit insane cheerleaders like you.

  32. 32

    Actor Jimmy Stewart was a conservative and a male cheerleader — just like George W Bush and now Mitt Romney.

    Can you guess the one physical trait that each had in common with the other?

    Give up?

    Each had nipples the size of pie tins — which caused them a great deal of grief as teenagers — but which each overcame with the extroverted acrivity of cheering the boys on in their athletic activities.

  34. 34

    I think ‘The One’ is attributed to Oprah. Although the capitalized letters likely were not intended by her.

    So? I still don’t see any reference to anyone around here calling Obama that or “The Messiah” or any other bullshit name that I only see being used by one type around here – a right wing troll.

    Funny thing…..she seems not to be supporting him this year. My, how things change.

    Oh so she’s throwing the lever for Mitt? Huh.. I guess Oprah and Anne have bonded over dressage. Stranger things have happened I guess.

  35. 35

    I had to look Artur Davis up. A black man who has become a republican. So? So is Herman “If you are poor, blame yourself” Cain. I don’t yet see a “Whites Only” rule on being republican.

    Davis, who now lives in northern Virginia, ran in Alabama’s gubernatorial election in 2010. He lost the Democratic primary to Ron Sparks, who was later defeated by Republican Robert Bentley.
    On April 3, 2009, Ron Sparks announced that he would run for governor of Alabama. In what was regarded as an upset, Sparks defeated Congressman Artur Davis in a landslide in the Democratic primary on June 1, 2010. Tensions over Davis’ opposition to healthcare reform legislation, along with Davis’ decision to not seek the support of traditional Democratic Party groups and his ignoring the needs of his constituents in his congressional district, led voters to overwhelmingly vote for Sparks in the Democratic Primary.[16]
    Early in the 2010 campaign, Sparks voiced support for healthcare reform, opposed charter schools, supported the Stimulus, and advocated an educational lottery and gaming tax for pre-kindergarten and college scholarships.

    Artur Davis, conservative democrat, lost in a primary to a Progressive Democrat. Imagine that. So he switched to being openly republican.

  37. 37

    You’re lying again. I never “claimed” that Obama was a “wise spender”.. Never said those two words.

    For the last time ya idiot… I never said U SAID that.

    U R a broken record.

  39. 39

    @ 35

    A little more than that. He seconded Obama’s nomination at the 2008 DNC convention. He was a regional co-chair of the DCCC.

    He could be this election season’s Zell Miller. You remember Zell Miller, don’t you? While the DNC put up Al Sharpton and a 12-year old girl saying Dick Cheney needed a ‘time out’ at their convention, the GOP put out a seasoned Democrat who alleged that Kerry would defend our nation with spitballs.

  40. 40

    @16 Think of how much more of a freak show the GOP debates would have been with both Tweedle Sarah and Tweedle Michelle…

  41. 41

    I never said U SAID that.

    Oh I get it now.. You said I “claimed” it.

    Guess what.. I never “claimed” it either..

    What a useless liar!

  42. 42

    Kerry would defend our nation with spitballs.

    Ahhh yes that was a P R I C E L E S S Hilarious Moment! Then Kerry went hunting.

    Funny!

  44. 44

    Said by different national Obummer jockstraps.

    So? Anyone who supports Obama in these threads say that?

    Only ones who say that in these comment threads are idiots like you. Prove me wrong.

  45. 45

    Tweedle Sarah and Tweedle Michelle…

    Crazy and crazier.. Only thing better would be a national ticket with those two.

    OH PRICELESS!

  46. 46

    This mofo is a loser.

    I wrote “ylb placed his Politifact link “claiming” Obummer was a wise spender”

    Did I write ylb “claiming”?

    Nope he’s a dope.

    Wait for it… He’ll think of something stupid again!

  47. 47

    @ 45

    C’mon, Obama himself suggested that his ascendency to the presidency would affect the elevation of the oceans. Remember that?

    If he considers himself to be some sort of a deity, can you blame us if we mock him as messianic?

    Really, if you guys would learn to mock him, as you seem to have no trouble doing with any GOP politician, you would be far, far better off.

  50. 50

    re 47: “Really, if you guys would learn to mock him, as you seem to have no trouble doing with any GOP politician, you would be far, far better off.”

    Link please!!

  51. 51

    @50

    Search HA for various iterations of Rmoney, R-money, Mittens, etc.

    Search HA, DU, dKos, Thinkprogress for various iterations of Bushitler, Darth Cheney, etc.

    C’mon. Did you really think I would give you examples? What’s next? You want me to prove water is wet?

  52. 52

    Did I write ylb “claiming”?

    Politifact never “claimed” it either.

    Keep on lying dumbass! You’re dedicated to it.

  53. 53

    @ 49

    Geez, YLB, is there any reference to something anal or otherwise scatologic that you HAVEN’T saved for future use?

    Greek much?

  56. 56

    Then why did you write

    Tell it to politifact dumbass. Slowest increase in spending since Ike.

    Wait for it… More stupidity forthcoming…

  57. 57

    C’mon, Obama himself suggested that his ascendency to the presidency would affect the elevation of the oceans. Remember that?

    Nope. I voted for him so he’d do something about climate change.. And he started but Congress still isn’t ready and will never be ready until there’s a catastrophic crisis as if the weather in TX wasn’t bad enough.

    If he considers himself to be some sort of a deity, can you blame us if we mock him as messianic?

    I see no evidence of that.. I see plenty of evidence of delusional perceptions by right wingers that are driven by loathing of a politician from a big city rising to the White House.

    Really, if you guys would learn to mock him, as you seem to have no trouble doing with any GOP politician, you would be far, far better off.

    Oh Bob. Bush let down scores of social and even economic conservatives and we never heard anything like mockery. They just stayed home rather than break the 11th commandment.

    We’d be better off with sane politicians and they’re not coming from the Republicans.

    I’m voting for Obama for the Supreme Court justices. Kagan and Sotomayor were sane choices. Alito and Roberts not so much. I can only imagine Mitt checking in with ALEC or the Chamber for who he’d put up.

  59. 59

    Then why did you write

    Because they said that or considered it mostly true. They said only Ike had slower growth in spending than Obama.

    They NEVER “claimed” Obama was a “wise spender”.

    Care to keep lying some more?

  61. 61

    @ 57

    When he accepted the nomination, Obama uttered this:

    this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal

    Doesn’t sound like the accomplishment of a mere mortal to me.

    Of course, we all could have just waited a couple of years without doing anything at all and it would be clear the the oceans weren’t rising any more than they had in the past. But that’s a different story.

  62. 62

    Bob asks: If he considers himself to be some sort of a deity, can you blame us if we mock him as messianic?

    ylb farts: I see no evidence of that.. Really moronic ylb? Here is the most recent edition!

    This crazed deranged debazed databaze ylb moron is mental!

  64. 64

    Geez, YLB, is there any reference to something anal or otherwise scatologic that you HAVEN’T saved for future use?

    Pretty sickening huh?

    And the worst of it like you see in that thread is not coming from the left Bob.

    It’s here in the comments threads for anyone who cares to look. All I’ve done is just made it easier to pinpoint than the typical google search for my purposes.

    Something that’s been lost on Puddybud for years..

  65. 65

    So now DUMMOCRAPTS are on record supporting selective baby abortions! All because of Planned Parenthood suggesting aborting a unborn female baby!

    Where are the NAGS?

  68. 68

    DOMA Struck Down

    I just got up — rabbits are nocturnal, and sleep during the day — so I haven’t read this entire thread (actually, I haven’t read any of it) so I don’t know if anyone has already posted about this.

    The First Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the Defense of Marriage Act as unconstitutional, but enforcement of its ruling will be held in abeyance until SCOTUS decides the issue.

    DOMA had already been ruled unconstitutional by two separate federal district courts, but this is the first federal appeals court to address the issue, as far as I know off the top of my head.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....ional?lite

  69. 69

    Yes bob,

    The moron@64 tries to wield it as a hammer. Unfortunately his side and some of his “comments” are precious too.

    Google For the Clueless site:horsesass.org

    That’s his persona he doesn’t want you to know about. Then he used many others.

  70. 70

    Ylbigot

    LMAO!! Well at least it’s something of an improvement over this..

    Bob, by the way this is the scatological troll I linked to earlier.

    He’s a racist to boot.

  71. 71

    I see Puddy and bob are still unemployed as of this morning

    Nope. Working from home today. Worked on-line in other time zones until almost midnight last night.

    Sucks to be the DUMB Wabbit.

  74. 74

    61 – Lofty rhetoric Bob. Bush in his second inaugural said he’d end “tyranny” after Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and torture in various places for “extraordinary rendition” purposes.

    Or something like that anyway..

  75. 75

    @61 “we all could have just waited a couple of years without doing anything at all and it would be clear the the oceans weren’t rising any more than they had in the past”

    bullshit

  76. 76

    Poor ylbigot is bummed because his old lady won’t take it up the ass……well, at least with him she won’t…hehe….

    Looks to be another day of epic posting by everyones favorite lazy bum…

  77. 77

    73 – False… Addressed in 67..

    Obama never “claimed” he was “the Messiah”.. That’s Chris Matthews hyperbole..

    Yawwwwn.. NEXT!

  78. 78

    bummed because his old lady won’t take it up the ass……well, at least with him she won’t…hehe….

    See Bob… This moron isn’t calling himself a lefty..

    But at one time claimed he’s voting for Obama..

    But I set him straight..

    One more for your side Bob. Glad to be of service.

  79. 79

    He’s a racist to boot.

    Bob ask ylb to replay those North Pasadena comments.

    Pavlov calls he won’t cuz he’s scared to!

  80. 80

    That’s his persona he doesn’t want you to know about. Then he used many others.

    Did any of my “personas” have lengthy conversations with one another like this idiot did?

    Legend: Puddybud and “Mike Webb Sucks” are one and the same..

  81. 81

    those North Pasadena comments.

    Here we go again… Such a delusional ass. I never made such comments..

    Go ahead dumbass. Let’s see you quote them.

  82. 82

    You set me straight? Lmfao..ya, right.

    I see it makes you uncomfortable that I might vote for obama..why is that?

    Look loser, your a failure, just accept it. Your life, the rabbits, revolves around this blog…truly pathetic indeed. To me, this blog is brief little comical distraction, to you its life itself…you rate your self worth by what happens here. Its another reason why you will never ever be a man or successful.

  83. 83

    re 61: “this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”

    Could he have been referring to the fact that he intended to be a better steward of the environment than Republicans had??????????????

    Nah! He must havre been claiming to be God. Nothing gets past you bobberanne, does it?

  85. 85

    I see no evidence of that

    Wrong again ylb. hyperbole?

    “It’s almost like the Messiah, you know? People really, really want change, and you feel it. You don’t just hear it — you feel something coming from him.” – Jan Young

    There’s some on the Internet now that Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor. – Donna Brazile.

    Obummer = Jesus; Pilate = Palin. Nuff SAID SUCKA!

    Oh there are many more!

    Bob, he has all my comments chronicled in that useless databaze of Goldy’s original thoughts. Yet, he forgets all he sez or is written by him.

    KABLAMMMO!

  86. 86

    Yes bob, here is ylb in action

    29. Reckless spews:

    #27: Last week I was Rob. This week I’m Puddybud? Who am I next week?
    01/27/2007 at 8:55 pm

  87. 87

    I see it makes you uncomfortable that I might vote for obama..

    I know the shit you’ve posted here. If you hate the poor, like you do and can’t stand to see them get food stamps, nutrition assistance for their kids (WIC), school lunches, preschool, shabby public housing, EITC and the like..

    You have only ONE choice – Romney who says he supports the Ryan plan which will cut all of that.

  88. 88

    Go ahead dumbass. Let’s see you quote them.

    Don’t need to. Marvin Stamn already chronicled it.

    See bob? Won’t even exonerate himself. Pavlov called it. Right on time!

  89. 89

    Wrong again ylb.

    zzzZZZzzz.. You’re not following stupid. Bob said Obama is claiming he himself is a deity..

    Obama never called himself “the Messiah” and then you link to Chris Matthews or some other tv journo who says that..

    TV journos say all kinds of stupid shit.. Just watch your beloved Faux News. They do that kind of crap every second of every day.

  91. 91

    Won’t even exonerate himself.

    You made the charge.. Let’s see you back it up..

    I’m linking to shit left and right..

    You??? You’re just jerking yourself off.

  92. 92

    Last week I was Rob. This week I’m Puddybud?

    Are you trying to deflect from the FACT that you circle jerked with your own sockpuppets?

  94. 94

    this blog is brief little comical distraction

    To which you defecate here almost every day.. Hate, racism, name-calling, sexual degradation fantasies.. I’ve got literally thousands of your comments in my database.

    Anything thoughtful that reflects well on you as a person.. Not a freaking chance.

  95. 95

    Clueless arschloch ylb, unlike you I don’t need to replay myself over and over. 37 of those 54 attack links are repeats with 4 of them tri-peats. Oh the horror! For the clueless! BTW why didn’t you leave on November 10th 2006, since your work was done at 10:10AM? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    EPIC FAYLE! It’s chronicled on HA, you have it and that’s all everyone needs to know.

    U R the only dumbASS here. Bob never used the Messiah here. U did!

    DUMBASS!

  96. 96

    Sweeeeeeeeeeetness and Light.

    “The reason for keeping it quiet is because we knew if word got out that Solyndra would do everything in their power and the Obama administration would do everything in their power to stop us from having this news conference,” an aide said in a briefing en route. “But taxpayers made a substantial investment in Solyndra, there are serious questions about what happened at Solyndra, why that investment was selected, what happened to that money.”

  98. 98

    BTW why didn’t you leave on November 10th 2006, since your work was done at 10:10AM?

    That deserves an answer..

    Here it is: I changed my mind. Glad I did.

    I WILL BE HERE IN NOVEMBER. Count on it.

    Bob never used the Messiah here.

    uh duh.. But Bob said Obama claimed he was a deity and you backed him up with that crap about “the Messiah”..

    Obama never called himself that.. No HA lefty ever called him that..

    Only dumbass right wingers like you bring that up here.

    Bye..

  99. 99

    EPIC FAYLE again dipshit.

    C’mon, Obama himself suggested that his ascendency to the presidency would affect the elevation of the oceans. Remember that?

    If he considers himself to be some sort of a deity, can you blame us if we mock him as messianic?

    A deity? So you are finally admitting Jesus, The Messiah, is a deity? Otherwise more EPIC FAYLE!

  100. 100

    Chronological fail again…

    So? I still don’t see any reference to anyone around here calling Obama that or “The Messiah”

    You introduced The Messiah to this thread.

    Stupid all the time it burns!

  101. 101

    He quotes Donna Brazille saying stuff.

    Ummm no I quoted Donna Brazile.

    Butt U R still a moron!

  102. 102

    @100,

    I sometimes refer to Obama as “the Milk Chocolate Messiah” just to piss everyone off.

    Did you know that “OBAMA” spelled backwards is “AMABO” which is the Latin verb that means “we love.” Also, saying “We love Obama” in Latin is a pallindrome: AMABO OBAMA.

  106. 106

    John Edwards Verdict: Not Guilty

    After 9 days of jury deliberations, John Edwards was found innocent on one count, and the judge declared a mistrial on the remaining counts because the jury couldn’t reach a decision. Edwards may be completely off the hook if prosecutors decide not to retry him on those charges.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....arges?lite

  107. 107

    re 102: Don’t they play sporting events in the Pallindrome?

    Just kidding, bro — we AMABO ya!

  109. 109

    So I heard some jackass on Medved’s show today advocating changing the constitutional amendment process to include majority vote national citizen initiatives. Hey, there’s a great idea, where has that been tried?

    Oh, California where approved propositions become constitutional amendments nearly impossible to undo. Regardless of spending cuts vs. Taxation the underlying source of California’s problems stem from initiatives. Be it Prop. 13 that kneecapped the state’s ability to raise revenue in line with population growth to the hundreds of mandated constitutional funding levels for education, child health, anti-smoking, prison construction etc (see there’s
    huge problems caused by both right and left leaning propositions) the percentage of the budget that doesn’t fall under constitutionally “untouchable” spending or tax increases has made the state in downturns impossible to balance.

    So let’s bring that to a national stage. Morons. Morons everywhere.

  111. 111

    But, checkmate@109, this guy is against the US Constitution as being outdated, a leftist position. He wants to get rid of the Electoral College, a Hillary Clinton position. Then he penned this on the Bush/Gore decision in The Nation

    The Court’s decision in Bush v. Gore, however, seems an exercise in low rather than high politics. How can one take seriously the majority’s claims that their award of the presidency to Bush is based on their deep concern for safeguarding the fundamental values of equality? This majority has been infamous in recent years for relentlessly defending states’ rights against the invocation of national legal or constitutional norms. Bush v. Gore is all too easily explainable as the decision by five conservative Republicans–at least two of whom are eager to retire and be replaced by Republicans nominated by a Republican President–to assure the triumph of a fellow Republican who might not become President if Florida were left to its own legal process.

    Of course, a consistent realist might point to tension between the generally nationalist, equality-protecting positions taken by the dissenters and their esteem in Bush v. Gore for state autonomy and, concomitantly, for the different standards being applied in various county recounts. It is decidedly “unrealist” to denounce one group of judges as behaving politically while praising another for simply following the “rule of law.” Rodell or any other hard-core realist would deride any praise of the Florida Supreme Court for its wisdom in construing the Florida statutes. Those judges, too, could easily be depicted as Democratic partisans manipulating the law to serve their political favorite, Al Gore.

    So with those leftist positions, he’s a moron? Do tell checkmate!!!!!

  112. 112

    @111

    You should really learn to read or get new glasses.

    Czechsaaz already pointed out that…

    (see there’s
    huge problems caused by both right and left leaning propositions)

    Puddybud – new lows in trolling.

  113. 113

    uptown,

    You don’t get it. checkmate is a rabid libtard like you. I was validating he was calling the law professor a moron!

    Swing and a miss by uptown. New lows in comprehension!

  115. 115

    @112

    There are legitimate considerations about removing the electoral college as an anachronistic institution. That wasn’t my point. Should I be surprised that you moved to a separate and irrelevant part of his thesis? (“Show me where I brought up the electoral college? You made that up. I never did. Toooooooo daaaaaaammmnnnn ffffffuuuuuunnnnnnyyyyyy.” Puddy, or words to that effect a couple hundred times on HA.)

    He was advocating the possibility of making it easier to amend the constitution by simple majority popular vote at one point. I’m not terribly up in arms over it since it would take a 2/3rds constitutional ammendment to create his proposed remedy. But in the best mega-population observable case of such a proposal, that’s California if you aren’t keeping up, Pud, that’s a laughably idiotic proposition. A professor, or any serious person, would entertain that thought for a nanosecond before deciding, “What the eff, that can’t work. It would be chaos.”

  116. 116

    Wow, if you are gay and conservative, the leftist pinhead heads explode…

    In an interview with The Desert Sun, Grenell said: “The far left doesn’t want a gay person to be conservative and the far right doesn’t want a conservative to be gay. Some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about me being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney … were coming from the left.”

    and

    But his tweet about openly-gay newscaster Rachel Maddow especially angered many fellow gays and lesbians. Grenell seemed to mock her as being too masculine and a lesbian stereotype, saying, “Rachel Maddow needs to take a breath and put on a necklace.”

    Leftists are so compassionate and tolerant. NOT!

  117. 117

    checkmate,

    There are legitimate considerations about removing the electoral college as an anachronistic institution. That wasn’t my point.

    Where did I say anything you wrote in that post was your point? Again YOU don’t get it either. This is a well known leftist law professor. He’s published in The Nation. All of those comments are his statements, made over the years. I gave you examples!

    Great job conflating standard liberal nothingness into pixels except it’s an EPIC FAYLE. I am shocked you called him a moron!

    Can you dig it?

  118. 118

    Seems that puddy’s posts over the last few days have demonstrated an accelerating mania, an increasingly obnoxious and irrational writing style, a relentless flood of gibberish and accusation and insult.

    I’ve come to the conclusion, repeatedly, that there’s no point in engaging him – though I have repeatedly succumbed to the temptation to do so when confronted by the outrageousness of his claims, the manifest ignorance and mean-spiritedness, the absolute insanity of a Young Earth Creationist, Muslim-hating, gay-hating Dominionist lecturing this otherwise fine group of citizens* about…anything.

    That’s all. Don’t feed the trolls.

    *Bob, Max, yd, Dave excluded.

  119. 119

    @116 (Not directed to puddles, but to the community in general)

    Notice how puddy uses the self-serving comments of self-identified Rmoney supporter to tar leftists as anti-gay.

    Ho fucking hum.

    Disingenuous, dishonest, thy name is puddles.

    Doesn’t Jesus cry when Christianists lie like that?

  121. 121

    Notice how puddy uses the self-serving comments of self-identified Rmoney supporter to tar leftists as anti-gay.

    Hey dickhead, those were his words. I found them today scanning the nets. Scary he nails leftist gays and smacks them silly.

    You Lib da moron, can’t stand anyone challenging you. And you call yourself a scientist? WTF? Never challenge my hypotheses. As you pass a mirror and look yourself in the eyes “I am a legend in my own mind.”

    Young Earth Creationist, Muslim-hating, gay-hating Dominionist lecturing this otherwise fine group of citizens* about…anything.

    Dr. Dean Kenyon, Dr J Walter Vieth, Simon Conway Morris, Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith, Dr. William Kane, Lanny and Marilyn Johnson, Dr. David Catchpoole, Emeritus Professor Tyndale John Rendle-Short, Dr. Gary Parker, Dr. D. Russell Humphreys, Dr. Alan Galbraith, Dr. Donald Batten, Dr. Robert V. Gentry, and others who claimed the evolutionist scientific theory was right, now say there is no evidence for evolution. Why? Oh no Lib da moron will denigrate them. Head explodes.

    Muslim hating? Some of my BEST friends around the world are Muslim. I hate al-qaeda types, you love them.

    Gay-hating? I love the gays. It’s the gay act God abhors. Found in the Pentateuch – Leviticus! remember Jesus said “I and My Father are One”!

    You judge anyone who isn’t a like thinking robot. You denigrate anyone who DARES to take you on. And you are a scientist? God help the world with narrow minded pinheads such as you.

    The only disingenuous mofo is you!

  122. 122

    Ahhh yes the arschloch dopey ylb express appears RIGHT ON TIME with feckless attacks 55, 56, & 57>

    Thanks for playing. I’ll be pulling your chain in a little while again!

  123. 123

    self-identified

    Let’s review what Richard Grenell said

    Some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about me being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney … were coming from the left.

    Emphasis Puddy.

    As all can see, Lib da moron can’t read! Lib da moron can’t comprehend! Lib da moron is not intelligent!

  124. 124

    checkmate farted:

    Toooooooo daaaaaaammmnnnn ffffffuuuuuunnnnnnyyyyyy.” Puddy, or words to that effect a couple hundred times on HA.

    Ask the freakazoid HA arschloch ylb and he’ll give your the real number! So are you a man? Step up to the plate and ask him.

    Got marbuls? Can you dig it? Doubt it!

  126. 126

    If ONLY Benton Harbor’s unions were as wise:


    Under the deal, automatic pension increases would be suspended for a decade, future pensions would be capped and the most generous pension plans would be eliminated. The deal would also move retired city workers ages 65 and older into Medicare.

    The changes are expected to help the city save $18.5 million next fiscal year….

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....ankruptcy/

    After Benton Harbor, Wisconsin, and now Providence, you’ll see more and more public unions recognizing what they have to lose and that the taxpayer is fed up with the status quo.

    ’bout time.

  127. 127

    “Rachel Maddow needs to take a breath and put on a necklace.”

    Is there any wonder that a hell-storm of leading LGBT and feminists pushed back at a statement like that? As far as I can tell this guy has only victimized himself. Puddy needs to find some other poster-boy. Grenell just comes across as an arrogant dick casting about for somebody to blame for his own self-destruction.

  128. 128

    @ 127

    Can she at last have that ugly mole on her neck burned off? Pretty soon the hairs growing off of it will be her necklace.

  129. 129

    87. YLB spews:
    I see it makes you uncomfortable that I might vote for obama..

    I know the shit you’ve posted here. If you hate the poor, like you do

    LOL..I dont hate the poor, I just look down upon and have no respect for the lazy who bum off the rest of us(like you).

  130. 130

    120. YLB spews:
    Bulletin:

    A certain creepy, racist, dumbass asshat of a troll is having trouble right now getting it up for his mirror..

    05/31/2012 AT 5:35 PM

    I have not posted anything between 12:30pm and now…and yet YLBigot feels the need to post stuff concerning me out of the blue.

    LOL>..can you say “obsessed”

    Please YLBigot, keep your mancrush on Johnny boy Edwards, and not on me….its kinda creepy.

    I wonder if I need to get the police involved.

  131. 131

    Puddy needs to find some other poster-boy.

    Not my poster boy. Just another example of if you are a gay conservative you are vilified.

  132. 132

    I wonder if YLBigot realizes, that while he searches his Datubayze and gets constantly flustered, that I am laughing my ass off the whole time, every fucking day.

    he’s my little marionette

  133. 133

    My words:

    Notice how puddy uses the self-serving comments of self-identified Rmoney supporter to tar leftists as anti-gay.

    Puddy’s “retort”

    Hey dickhead, those were his words.

    Um…uh, yes they were. That was my point, essentially that he, and you by using his words, have no credibility.

    Puddy reminds me of White Goodman saying, “touche”.

    Which reminds me of Inigo Montoya, “I do not think that word means what you think it means.”

    That was today’s edition of “Words Puddy Doesn’t Understand”

  135. 135

    Some of my BEST friends around the world are Muslim.

    Puddy clearly doesn’t understand parody.

    I love the gays. It’s the gay act God abhors. Found in the Pentateuch – Leviticus!

    Bigot, hiding behind Bible.

  136. 136

    out of the blue.

    Hardly… The news that prompts my remark is in this thread and you know very well what it is.

    Don’t break your mirror..

  137. 137

    .I dont hate the poor

    Federal spending in a nutshell:

    20 percent defense
    20 percent social security
    21 percent medicare,medicaid,chip
    13 percent programs for the poor
    6 percent interest on the national debt
    20 is all rest EPA,OSHA,State Dept

    Paul Ryan wants to make 62 percent of his cuts from medicaid/chip and the other programs for the poor.

    Do you agree with that?

  140. 140

    Dr. Dean Kenyon: Discovery Institute doyenne and “Intelligent Design” proponent. Good link on the equality of ‘creationism’ and ‘intelligent design’. As you might say, ’nuff said sucka.

    Dr J Walter Vieth:
    From a website promoting this crackpot:

    He is an ardent student of Biblical prophecy and trusts the veracity of the Bible, which he believes is proved by the science of archaeology as well as the fulfilment of numerous prophecies found in the Bible.

    Ergo, not a scientist.

    Simon Conway Morris:
    Not sure why you include him, other than that he seems to be a self-identified Christian. Does not seem to belong in your rogues’ gallery, as he gave this lecture:

    He gave the University of Edinburgh Gifford Lectures for 2007 in a series titled “Darwin’s Compass: How Evolution Discovers the Song of Creation“. In these lectures Conway Morris makes several claims that evolution may be compatible with belief in the existence of a God.

    Oops – looks like he fell off the deep end in 2009. Tragedy.

    Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith:
    From Wikipedia:

    In 1966 he published the book Herkunft und Zukunft des Menschen which promoted Burdick’s and other’s claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed together at Paluxy River….In the mid 1980s the footprints were shown to be not of human origin, and some specimens were shown to be doctored or carved…

    According to the National Center for Science Education, Wilder-Smith’s 1981 work The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution contains a variety of falsehoods and errors. Kenneth Christiansen, Professor of Biology at Grinnell College, reviewed the book stating “the most fundamental flaw of the book is an apparent confusion or ignorance (it is hard to tell) concerning our present understanding of the evolutionary process.” He further noted that Wilder-Smith’s work disregarded basic literature in the field discussed.

    CRRRAAAACKKKPPOTTTT!!

    Dr. William Kane:
    Some sort of engineer, likely not qualified to comment critically on evolution. Can’t really find anything about him, other that being on a list of supporters on the ‘answersingenesis.org’ site – sort of the mothership of crackpot Young Earth Creationists.
    WWWWOOOOOOOOOO…

    Lanny and Marilyn Johnson:
    From a website lauding these two nuts:

    Lanny and Marilyn Johnson are former evolutionists trained in the sciences. Creation teaching was instrumental in bringing them to a settled assurance that all of God’s Word can be trusted. In 1993, God led them to join Alpha Omega Institute and establish the Children’s Ministry to fortify children with the truth of the Bible and to help them avoid the pitfalls of evolution.

    “Trained in the sciences”, “God’s words can be trusted”, “avoid the pitfalls of evolution”

    Puddles, you make my case for me.

    *****

    I’ve had enough – this is silly. You are a Young Earth Creationist, and that’s nuts. It’s a reflection of your complete lack of credibility and absent powers of critical thinking.

  141. 141

    @ 140

    Also not a scientist: Steve McIntyre

    http://climateaudit.org/

    And yet he’s got Michael Mann tied in knots, and he’s primarily responsible for the reason The Hockey Stick used in IPCC3 is such a fucking joke to the world now.

    Just sayin’.

  142. 142

    @111 Why not get rid of the Electoral College? It’s an undemocratic relic of the 18th century designed to preserve slavery. Why do we need it in 2012?

  144. 144

    Its always funny when lab techs consider themselves scientists…

    give someone an Bachelors Degree in Biology and all the sudden they are a “scientist”….LMFAO.

    and anybody that disagrees with them, cant be considered a “scientists”, no matter what education they have.

    ahh, its the progressive way…..

    hows that hockey stick graph working for ya?

  145. 145

    @143, 144

    Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum are back.

    Puddles opened up this discussion with…

    Dr. Dean Kenyon … Dr. Robert V. Gentry, and others who claimed the evolutionist scientific theory was right, now say there is no evidence for evolution. Why?

    He tried to inoculate his argument with the same sort of whining the Max makes @144 – in effect, “BOO HOO, you’re picking on my wingnuts!!!11!”

    puddles threw that list of “scientists” as an attack on evolution. He, and Max, cannot complain when those crackpots are called out for what they are.

    God you people are whiners.

  146. 146

    Its always funny when lab techs consider themselves scientists…

    I doubt you’ve known either.

  147. 147

    If you fools (puddles, and Max, and whoever else wants to join them) want to deny science – go ahead, great, get your freak on – just don’t try to highjack the credibility of bona fide scientists with the “Intelligent Design” bullshit or the Bible Science bullshit, or whatever it’s called.
    If you want to believe the universe is 6000 years old and Jeebus rode a dinosaur and Noah teleported penguins from Antarctica – DO IT – just be prepared for the rational people of the world pointing and laughing at you – which is what I’m doing around here every fucking day.

  148. 148

    give someone an Bachelors Degree in Biology and all the sudden they are a “scientist”

    Heh heh heh. I actually do have a Bachelors Degree in Biology…

  149. 149

    What did Lib da schmuck miss? Every one of those people he TRIED to tear apart was an EVOLUTIONIST first.

    Hence crackpot, not a scientist, CRRRAAAACKKKPPOTTTT!!, WWWWOOOOOOOOOO are all definitions for evolutionists.

    Well they are crackpots, non-scientists, and wwwooooo.

    You made my day Lib da schmuck. Proved my point!

    BTW to clear the air

    Julius Walter Vieth, Zoology Chair at University of Western Cape, South Africa. – Evolutionist first, scientist

    Arthur Ernest Wilder-Smith, Ph.D. (Physical Organic Chemistry), Dr. es Science (Chemotherapy), D. Sc.(Natural Sciences), P.D., F.R.S.C – Evolutionist first, scientist

    Do I need to continue? Notice how Lib da schmuck uses other people to critique these people who all were EVOLUTIONISTS first?

    Wife just came in from work. Time to take care of bidness!

  150. 150

    Bigot, hiding behind Bible.

    Always hide behind the Creator of the Universe’s Word! Better than hiding behind some created being’s word.

  152. 152

    What did Lib da schmuck miss? Every one of those people he TRIED to tear apart was an EVOLUTIONIST first.

    So unbelievably full of shit. I couldn’t give a shit what they believed in the past, nor what degree(s) they have. The is issue is their beliefs now, their position vis-a-vis evolution.

    However, I think puddles is confused about the point he thinks he’s trying to make.

    About one of these he writes…

    Arthur Ernest Wilder-Smith, Ph.D. (Physical Organic Chemistry), Dr. es Science (Chemotherapy), D. Sc.(Natural Sciences), P.D., F.R.S.C – Evolutionist first, scientist

    However, this fool was writing books in the 1960s:

    In 1966 he published the book Herkunft und Zukunft des Menschen which promoted Burdick’s and other’s claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed together at Paluxy River….In the mid 1980s the footprints were shown to be not of human origin, and some specimens were shown to be doctored or carved…

    So…both stupid, and a fraud. These are the paragons of puddles worldview. Says a great deal.

  154. 154

    With all the talk last week about Bain Capitol, I remembered reading a story awhile back, actually a couple, in TRAINS Magazine about the fight between a hedge fund, and CSX Corporation. CSX barely survived the takeover, and has rebounded from past mistakes made years before the fight happened(by a CEO who later became Secretary of the Treasury in the Bush Administration). An editor with Railway Age magazine is suspect about hedge funds and railroads. It’s happening again, this time with Canadian Pacific(despite it’s name, they have holdings in the US, the remnants of the former Milwaukee Road, and the Delaware and Hudson), but this time it’s different and will give them the benefit of the doubt. The new fund, has a CEO waiting in the winds, so good at his job, his former employer cut his Golden Parachute(after turning Canadian National around, he deserved it, but he violated the non-compete clause).

    http://www.railwayage.com/inde.....-want.html

    Now can a big railroad shed some parts and stay profitable? They do it all the time, with unprofitable branch lines. It’s just the nature of the business that seems investors only interested in the short term make some in the railroad industry nervous. Railroads(even Amtrak to a small extent) own their right of way, which means to be able to stay competitive, it’s not just labor and fuel they have to worry about, but the track. Failure to invest in it’s upkeep, puts future profits at risk. Same with capacity constraints. BNSF, which is owned by Warren Buffet’s company, is in it for the long haul, and with no shareholders to report to, BNSF has completed an ambitious capacity expansion on their Chicago-LA mainline. Doubletracking everything in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, and Tripletracking portions like Cajon Pass in California. This actually had been planned in the nineties, but shareholders supposedly got nervous. After the Berkshire Hathaway takeover, not too many shareholders to be nervous.

  155. 155

    So…both stupid, and a fraud.

    That’s what he was as an evolutionist.

    Thanks for playing…

  156. 156

    No dumbASS arschloch ylb commentary to #99.

    Crickets are chirping…

    I guess it was too hard for him!

  157. 157

    Let’s review Lib da schmuck

    self-serving comments of self-identified Rmoney supporter

    The actual statement

    Some of the most hateful, mean-spirited intolerant comments about me being the foreign policy and national security spokesman for Governor Romney … were coming from the left.

    When someone is self-identified, they are saying something that can’t be proven. People knew he worked for Romney. He has his bona fides, proven by others.

    Has anyone seen Lib da schmuck or his “credentials”? I have been to DL five times.

  158. 158

    Now for something completely different…

    What Would George Tiller Do?

    Tiller the self-professed late-term aborted baby killer.

    George Tiller was the nation’s pre-eminent abortion practitioner, drawing women to Wichita from all over with his willingness to perform late-term abortions, hundreds each year.

    NY Times so it has to be true!

    See ya leftists. Glad you think like the Chinese!

    On this blog I placed his own words where he claimed to have performed 9000+ late term abortions. Ask the dumbASS clueless deranged debazed databaze arschloch ylb for evidence. Go on. Ask him. Grow some marbuls!

  159. 159

    @157, elsewhere…

    puddles, is English not your first language?

  160. 160

    Has anyone seen Lib da schmuck or his “credentials”?

    I didn’t know one had to be credentialed to spar with fools and revel with friends on this blog. Who knew?

  161. 161

    From Salon…

    Curt Schilling, WATB welfare-queen Tea Party schmuck:

    And of course Schilling is also a longtime loud-mouthed, ultra-conservative, rich Tea Party moron from way back who regularly bemoans that the government takes money that he could be using to create jobs. “I’m not looking, never have been, for handouts,” he told Sean Hannity in March. In May, Schilling’s government-handout-supported company missed a $1 million payment, stopped paying its employees, and begged for millions in tax credits from the state that it could sell to stay afloat.

    I’ve never taken a penny and I’ve done nothing but create jobs and create economy. And so how does that translate into welfare baby? I’ve tried to do right by people.

    See, Curt, it translates into “welfare baby” because you are … begging the government to give you more money.

    I think these right-wingers are delusional.

    Does anyone think that Mittens is going to rush from his photo-op in the Solyndra parking lot to Schilling’s company and bemoan government intervention and crony capitalism?

    *crickets*

  162. 162

    @ 161

    Romney didn’t rush anywhere, Lib Sci. He used Solyndra as a background for a nice ad:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    See, apparently Romney has some private-world business experience. The husband of the woman who WON’T save Obama’s ass even called it a ‘sterling business career’:

    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....er-mm-kay/

    Ouch. Maybe time for Obama to stop pounding Romney for the sin of having been in business and time for Obama to start figuring out what he needs to do differently to make sure June and July don’t look as bad as May did:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/.....25z;_ylv=3

    Note that not only did May’s numbers suck, but the March and April numbers were revised substantially downward. Obama’s been running on empty for months, but even the fumes in the tank have been combusted and there’s absolutely nothing left.

    Good thing Darryl’s poll says Obama still has a 99.9% chance of being re-elected, because otherwise your lyin’ eyes might have you believe he’s in some serious trouble here.

  163. 163

    From the AP:

    The economy is averaging just 73,000 jobs per month over the past two months _ roughly a third of jobs created per month in the first quarter.

    And don’t forget that 2012 Q1 GDP was substantially lower than 2011 Q4 GDP.

    What is the new definition of RECESSION?:

    measure used by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) states that “a recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales.”

    Just in time for the general election campaign.

    Nice goin’, Dems. I’d prefer a better economy and a closer election than this will be if we’re in recession by mid-summer.

  165. 165

    Oh, bub, hitching your wagon to the Mittens star…

    It was a line near the end of Romney’s ad that caught my attention: “The Inspector General said contracts were steered to ‘friends and family.’” That sounded like news. I’ve spent two years in stimulus-world, and I had no idea an inspector general had said that. I asked the Romney campaign for documentation, and it produced a Newsweek article asserting that Energy Department inspector general Gregory Friedman “has testified that contracts have been steered to ‘friends and family.’”

    Except that Newsweek article was an excerpt from the book “Throw Them All Out,” written by Peter Schweizer, a right-winger who has served as an adviser to Sarah Palin’s PAC, edited one of Andrew Breitbart’s websites, and written a slew of books portraying liberals as pond scum. Not exactly a disinterested source. And it turns out that the inspector general never testified that stimulus contracts were steered to friends and family.

    Why can’t Republicans not lie?

    Mittens seems to embody this trait – he seems to be a pathological liar, like a dry drunk, someone that likes to, needs to, teeter on the edge, thrilled by the possibility of getting away with it, no concern for the ruin with which he flirts…

    It’s one of the central reasons, I think, that as people better get to know Romney, the less they like him. He sets off peoples’ bullshit detectors, he is not genuine, he is not authentic. We’ve all had this experience – there are people we meet all the time that are just manifestly, obviously full of shit, and Romney is one of them.

    Sucks to be your team.

  166. 166

    Does anyone think that Mittens is going to rush from his photo-op in the Solyndra parking lot to Schilling’s company and bemoan government intervention and crony capitalism?

    Romney didn’t rush anywhere, Lib Sci. He used Solyndra as a background for a nice ad

    Why can’t right-wingers understand plain English?

  167. 167

    @ 165

    Lemme get this straight: A candidate’s staff uses as a source a MSM article that turns out to be incorrect and that means such use constitutes a LIE?

    Are you fully willing to apply the same criteria to Obama’s side? Methinks likely not.

    Way to glean the importance out of a news item, Lib Sci. Obama’s team is responsible for a half-billion loss to the US taxpayer on this one small company alone and your bullet point is that what’s important is that Romney’s a liar.

    @ 166

    I see you are laboring to compare Solyndra to the Schilling debacle. Um, fair enough, although that compares Obama team’s incompetence to that of someone other than Mitt Romney. And since we’re all about comparisons:

    http://www.pressherald.com/new.....05-25.html

    I await Obama’s moves to can each and every member of his team who was supportive of Solyndra. How soon may we expect that Nobel Prize winner with all of his investment experience to step down?

    No, not that Nobel Prize winner. The other one.

    Smart Power. How’s that working out for you?

  168. 168

    You’re the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful country in the world. Your nation’s economy is sputtering, job creation essentially cut by two-thirds in only a couple of months. The stock market is plummeting 200 points after a disastrous jobs report.

    Do you hunker down with your Council of Economic Advisers and hammer out some sort of program, some sort of solution to this growing problem?

    Er, no:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....ago-visit/

    You go out and grab some more buckaroos, six times in a single day, even though you have already attended more fundraisers than the previous four presidents combined.

    Because that’s what your weary nation expects of you. Not solutions. Nice suits and platitudes, that’s what the people want.

    Don’t forget to slam private equity while you’re taking money from private equity.

  169. 169

    How much trouble are the unions in? It might not even be necessary to alter collective bargaining and pension and health care contributions. What if the municipalities just refused to continue collecting the unions’ dues for them?


    Much of that decline came from Afscme Council 24, which represents Wisconsin state workers, whose membership plunged by two-thirds to 7,100 from 22,300 last year.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....99718.html

    No reason in the world that the municipality should be the dues collector for the unions. Let them send an annual statement to the membership, the same way AARP or the NRA does.

  170. 170

    The bright side of the poor jobs report?

    There might soon be new government jobs in the Treasury Department for people that will print more new money:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....2012-06-01

    Way to go, Obama. Your biggest demographic supporters, young adults, are going to be the ones hurt most by your incompetence.

  171. 171

    White House spin, today:

    The Obama administration is spinning this morning’s bad unemployment numbers with the following statement from Alan B. Krueger, the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers.

    “Today we learned that the economy has added private sector jobs for 27 straight months, for a total of 4.3 million payroll jobs over that period. The economy is growing but it is not growing fast enough.” he writes, emphazing areas in the economy that continue to grow.

    “As the Administration stresses every month, the monthly employment and unemployment figures can be volatile, and employment estimates can be subject to substantial revision,” he cautioned. “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.”

    Reminds me of:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

  172. 172

    Lemme get this straight: A candidate’s staff uses as a source a MSM article that turns out to be incorrect and that means such use constitutes a LIE?

    Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you really this dense?

    How about this – when will Mittens come out and correct the lie, I mean poorly-vetted misstatement, that he told about the Inspector General?

  173. 173

    @ 172

    I think that will be on the same day that Obama gives back the $1M that Bill Maher gave him.

    How about that jobs report? 27 straight months of job creation. Pretty good, huh?

  174. 174

    I guess Obama has been LYING to the public all along, then.

    President Barack Obama is confiding to Democratic donors that he may have to revisit the health-care issue in a second term, a position at odds with his publicly expressed confidence that the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold the Affordable Care Act, according to three Democratic activists.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....rules.html

  175. 175

    when will Mittens come out and correct the lie, I mean poorly-vetted misstatement, that he told about the Inspector General?

    I think that will be on the same day that Obama gives back the $1M that Bill Maher gave him.

    Breathtaking false equivalence. Disingenuous, dishonest. I think your side simply cannot compete without lying. It’s that simple.

  177. 177

    @ 175

    You go ahead and think that, then. Make sure not to look for similar behavior by your own side.

  178. 178

    @ 175

    One thing you probably should admit is that it’s easier for Romney to compete with Obama when the only competent Democrat to hold the White House in the past generation tells the world that Romney’s qualified to hold the office and that his Bain work is a plus in that regard:

    http://thehill.com/video/campa.....-bain-work

  180. 180

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....hp?ref=fpa

    TPMDC

    GOP’s ‘Obamacare’ Pivot Invites New Predicament

    John Boehner and Eric Cantor

    Sahil Kapur-June 1, 2012, 7:00 AM6089
    Over the last week, the signals have been abundant that congressional Republicans are pivoting from their total opposition to “Obamacare” toward supporting the more popular chunks of the law.

    It’s an election-year strategy to mitigate the fallout if the Supreme Court grants them their wish and strikes down the law next month. The House GOP is weighing a replacement plan to reinstate its more popular components, such as guaranteeing coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions, letting people under 26 stay on a parent’s policy and closing the Medicare “doughnut hole.” The idea is also percolating among Senate Republicans.

    Publicly at least, numerous GOP leaders are sticking to the anti-Obamacare script. Many Republicans aides and sources close to leadership declined to weigh in, but the rest said discussions have been brewing.

    “I think it is all part of the fact that repeal was so far away in 2010 and even in 2011. Now, as the possibility arises that part of the law could be repealed is only a month away, there is some disorder,” said a well-connected health industry lobbyist and former GOP aide.

    Haha…”Bob’s” bff’s are fucked.

  181. 181

    @ 180

    It’s prudent to have an answer to the question “What’s your plan, GOP?” that will no doubt be asked by the left if the whole thing is struck down.

    In an earlier thread this week, NTfF and I discussed this at length.

    The GOP does not deny that there are good parts of the law. the problem is all of the horridness that the law contains.

    Right now it’s looking like either the mandate will be struck and severed from the ACA, or the whole law goes down.

    If it’s the former, then Obama has an expensive boondoggle and no way to pay for it.

    If it’s the latter, then Obama staked his presidency on a single law that was so badly written it couldn’t survive review.

    And you think it’s the GOP that’s fucked?

    I swear, Rujax, your IQ drops almost by the day.

  182. 182

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo......fpnewsfeed

    Hayworth Spokesman: ‘Hurl Some Acid At Those Female Democratic Senators’

    Pema Levy-May 31, 2012, 3:53 PM29030
    Jay Townsend, a campaign spokesman for Republican Rep. Nan Hayworth (NY-19), weighed in on a local Facebook discussion with a violent comment about Democratic women in Congress, and his suggestion is now earning the congresswoman condemnation from one of her Democratic challengers.

    The Facebook page, called NY19 U.S. House of Representatives Discussion Center, encourages “civil multi-partisan discussion about issues impacting citizens of New York’s U.S. House District represented by Republican Congresswoman Nan Hayworth.” On it, a question about gas prices was also critical of Hayworth. Townsend responded to one commenter, Tom, by bringing up the “war on women” and suggested they “hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators.”

    The comment:

    Listen to Tom. What a little bee he has in his bonnet. Buzz Buzz. My question today … when is Tommy boy going to weigh in on all the Lilly Ledbetter hypocrites who claim to be fighting the War on Women? Let’s hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won’t abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector.

    Bet “Bob” just looooves this shit…gotta love these assholes like “Bob”.

  183. 183

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo......policy.php

    TPM2012

    Romney Campaign Stumbles Again On Russia (VIDEO)

    Tom Kludt-June 1, 2012, 11:36 AM1733
    Ed Gillespie, a senior campaign adviser to Mitt Romney, struggled to clarify the Republican nominee’s position on Russia during a television appearance Friday, marking a return to foreign policy turf on which Romney has already been chided.

    Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Gillespie, a former counselor to President George W. Bush and chairman of the Republican National Committee, was pressed by Chuck Todd to draw a distinction between Romney and President Barack Obama’s foreign policy positions, including on Syria. Gillespie said that Romney supports arming the Syrian rebels, but Todd reminded him that the former Massachusetts governor did not endorse direct involvement from the United States — making his position virtually indistinguishable from Obama’s.

    But Gillespie waded into even murkier territory when it came to Russia. He criticized Vladimir Putin for “not being helpful at all to the United States” and took aim at the Obama administration for allowing U.S. relations with Russia to grow increasingly frosty — seemingly contradictory assertions, as Todd pointed out:

    GILLESPIE: And I think when you look at Russia and the relationship with Russia, the so-call reset button, it’s clear that the Russians are not being helpful at all to the United States, and that that effort to reset has failed.
    TODD: So what you’re saying is, get confrontational? Let’s talk about Russia. So, get more confrontational with Russia? Is that the difference? How do you do that?

    GILLESPIE: Well, I think what it is, Chuck, is to try to work with them to align our interests more, and to reduce their hostility, which this president has not been able to do. Clearly, despite his pledges during the campaign and afterward that we were going to have this great relationship and Russia was going to be better with Russia. It is not better with Russia today than it was when President Obama took office. Do you think it’s better today, the relationship with Russia, than when President Obama took office?

    TODD: No, I don’t. But what I’m saying, how do you change it? Is more confrontation better?

    GILLESPIE: I think that Russia understands that when there’s a strong president who can work with Germany, our allies in Europe and France, you can get better results from Russia if you have a strong leader who is working with our allies in Europe. They’ll respond to that.

    Gillespie’s call for a restoration in U.S.-Russia relations conflicted with Romney’s contention in March that Russia is the U.S.’s “No. 1 geopolitical foe.” It also represented a rare instance in which the Romney camp acknowledged a need to strengthen ties with Europe. Romney routinely cautions voters on the campaign trail that the United States must avoid going down the same path as Europe, a point he made again earlier this week when discussing national security before a crowd of veterans.

    This is how sharp that fucking Romney crowd is. They’d run the country real good.

  184. 184

    181. bob spews:

    @ 180

    It’s prudent to have an answer to the question “What’s your plan, GOP?” that will no doubt be asked by the left if the whole thing is struck down.

    In an earlier thread this week, NTfF and I discussed this at length.

    The GOP does not deny that there are good parts of the law. the problem is all of the horridness that the law contains.

    Right now it’s looking like either the mandate will be struck and severed from the ACA, or the whole law goes down.

    If it’s the former, then Obama has an expensive boondoggle and no way to pay for it.

    If it’s the latter, then Obama staked his presidency on a single law that was so badly written it couldn’t survive review.

    And you think it’s the GOP that’s fucked?

    I swear, Rujax, your IQ drops almost by the day.

    06/01/2012 at 9:34 am

    Really.

    You’re crowd is fucked.

    Citizen’s United is next:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....55309770/1

    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) – Former U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens has said he expects the court has already had second thoughts about parts of its controversial Citizens United ruling that eased restrictions on corporate spending in political campaigns.

    By Danny Johnston, AP
    Former U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens speaks in Little Rock, Ark., on Wednesday.
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    By Danny Johnston, AP
    Former U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens speaks in Little Rock, Ark., on Wednesday.

    Sponsored LinksThe sharply divided court ruled that independent spending by corporations does “not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” Stevens, who dissented from that 2010 decision, said that at some point the court will have to issue an opinion “explicitly crafting an exception that will create a crack in the foundation” of that ruling.

    Speaking to hundreds of people at a Wednesday night event in Little Rock, the retired justice said President Obama accurately criticized the ruling for reversing a century of law and allowing special interest groups to pump money into elections.

    He cited Justice Samuel Alito’s reaction to Obama’s criticism, along with one of the court’s later rulings when the justices rejected a free-speech challenge from humanitarian aid groups to a law that bars support to terrorist organizations.

    Stevens said “the fact that the proposed speech would indirectly benefit a terrorist organization provided a sufficient basis for denying it First Amendment protection.”

    He also pointed to televised debates when moderators try to allow candidates equal time to express their views. He said candidates and viewers wouldn’t like it if there were an auction giving the most time to the highest bidder.

    “Yet that is essentially what happens during actual campaigns in which rules equalizing campaign expenditures are forbidden,” he said.

    Stevens spoke in Arkansas the day after Obama presented him with the Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor.

    Aside from criticizing the Citizens United decision, Stevens also took a jab at the Bush v. Gore case after an audience member asked him about it.

    “I think you have to have confidence that the justices will do their best to not make that same mistake again,” he said to laughter and applause.

    Stevens was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Gerald Ford, and he served on the high court from 1975 until he retired in 2010. Obama nominated Justice Elena Kagan to replace him.

    Stevens recently wrote a memoir about his time on the court, Five Chiefs: A Supreme Court Memoir.

    In between signing copies of the book Wednesday night, he was asked whether he would want to sit on the court to hear the case challenging the new federal health care law.

    “I’m convinced that my decision to resign was absolutely right,” he said. “I’m slowing down. I’ve been replaced by a brilliant justice and I’m happy to have her do the work that I used to do.”

    If they can’t lie, cheat or steal…these assholes like “Bob”…they can’t win.

  185. 185

    http://thinkprogress.org/progr.....ob-killer/

    Mitt Romney, Job Killer

    By ThinkProgress War Room on Jan 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    The Romney Record at Bain: Bankruptcies, Bailouts, & Mass Layoffs

    Mitt Romney’s pitch is that he’s a “businessman” who understands the “real economy,” in contrast to President Obama who Romney says “doesn’t understand how the economy works.” During a presidential debate in November, Romney reminded the audience of the source of his “real economy” experience: “I worked at one company, Bain, for 25 years.” That quote has now been replayed thousands of times in Romney television ads in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Florida and has been viewed more than 168,000 times on YouTube.

    Here’s how the Los Angeles Times described Romney’s tenure as CEO of Bain Capital:

    Romney and his team also maximized returns by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits. Sometimes Bain investors gained even when companies slid into bankruptcy.

    Romney himself became wealthy at Bain. He is now worth between $190 million and $250 million, much of it derived from his time running the investment firm, his campaign staffers have said.

    Bain managers said their mission was clear. “I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation,” said Marc B. Walpow, a former managing partner at Bain who worked closely with Romney for nine years before forming his own firm. “The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.”

    Here’s the rundown on Mitt Romney’s devastating record as CEO of Bain Capital, a tenure marked by bankruptcies, bailouts, and mass layoffs — all while Romney and his partners raked in billions of dollars in profits for the firm and Romney himself amassed a quarter-billion dollar fortune.

    Romney’s Bain Capital Caused Mass Layoffs, Sent Jobs Overseas

    Thousands of Americans were laid off by Bain Capital at companies it purchased, managed, and, at least a quarter of the time, drove into bankruptcy. Here’s an infographic from Americans United for Change laying out some of the carnage:

    This realy explains it well:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....42249.html

    Bain Capital Explained By Tony Soprano (VIDEO)

    Posted: 05/24/2012 11:56 am Updated: 05/24/2012 2:46 pm

    The national debate over private equity so far has hinged on the question of whether experience in the field qualifies Mitt Romney, the former Bain Capital executive, for the presidency. But a more vexing, and largely unanswered, question lies just beneath the surface: How is it, exactly, that an investment company can make millions even as the company it’s ostensibly trying to turn around goes bust?

    For that answer, we turned to what may seem like a less-than-reliable source: Tony Soprano.

    The investors profit, it turns out, not despite the failure of the company, but in fact because of it.

    In the organized crime world, the business practice is known as a bust out. A group of investors — in Soprano’s case, an entire family — looks for companies that have a strong underlying business but are in distress thanks to heavy debt burdens. The investors then take over the company. In the mob’s case, the family presents the business with a very high-interest loan — an offer which, under the financial circumstances, is difficult to refuse — and effectively takes control of the company with the threat of physical violence. Private equity investors, by contrast, buy control of the company’s board by purchasing the firm’s stock. But for both private equity firms and the mafia, investors use their control of the firm to take on more debt, while at the same time cutting costs by laying off workers.

    Cash from the loans and cost savings are funneled back to the investors. This looting continues until the company can’t pay its debts. When it finally collapses, the company files for bankruptcy to extinguish the debt — but private equity investors, as well as mobsters, get to keep the gains they’ve already reaped.

    Yeah “Bob”…Raw-Money’s a made guy.

  186. 186

    Hollywood stars largely absent at Romney fundraiser

    June 1, 2012, 8:09 a.m.

    George Clooney wasn’t there.

    Neither were many other (any other?) A-list stars, but a Mitt Romney fundraiser at the Beverly Hills Hotel on Thursday night put the lie to the notion that everybody in Hollywood is supporting President Obama’s reelection bid.

    At least 425 people in the liberal heart of filmdom are apparently in Romney’s camp. “There are many, many Romney backers in our community, and we’ll just have to see what happens going toward the election,” said one of them, actor Jon Voight, who was an A-lister back in the day.

    Also in attendance: Scott Baio, of “Happy Days” fame, and Jane Romney, of Romney family fame (the candidate’s sister). Tickets to the event ranged from $2,500 to $50,000.

    Jon Voight and Scott Baio?????

    No fucking shit! WOW!

  187. 187

    @ 186

    What matters most to Rujax?

    Barack’s got a longer A-list than Mitt does!

    Rujax knows more about Barack’s length and girth than Michelle does.

  188. 188

    @ 185

    If ONLY Bill Clinton had not so eloquently stated that Romney’s time at Bain was a positive.

    Between HuffPo, TP, and the spoken words of Bill Clinton, I think I’ll go with Bill.

    Maybe spend less time watching re-runs of Jackass and Friends and more time reading a newspaper and checking out a news feeder next time, Rujax.

  190. 190

    187. bob spews:

    @ 186

    What matters most to Rujax?

    Barack’s got a longer A-list than Mitt does!

    Rujax knows more about Barack’s length and girth than Michelle does.

    06/01/2012 at 10:24 am

    Has “Bob” been sniffing those Mormon underpants again?

    Christ! what a fucking pervert…

  191. 191

    188. bob spews:

    @ 185

    If ONLY Bill Clinton had not so eloquently stated that Romney’s time at Bain was a positive.

    Between HuffPo, TP, and the spoken words of Bill Clinton, I think I’ll go with Bill.

    Maybe spend less time watching re-runs of Jackass and Friends and more time reading a newspaper and checking out a news feeder next time, Rujax.

    06/01/2012 at 10:26 am

    Bain Capital takeovers = Mafia bustout.

    Mitt Romney Vulture Capitalist = Tony Soprano Mafia Crime Boss

  192. 192

    @ 191 GM is alive with, what, $50B in taxpayer money?

    GM would have to be sold at $43.67/share for the government to break even. It’s at $22.41 today, Rujax.

    Without the government bailout, Rujax, GM would still be alive and out of bankruptcy by now, and the taxpayer wouldn’t be holding the bag.

    Do you know how to do anything besides cheer-lead, Rujax?

  193. 193

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/20.....ans-early/

    General Motors Repays Bailout Loans Early

    By Dawn Kawamoto

    Posted 9:30AM 04/21/10

    General Motors is paying its bailout loans back in full and ahead of schedule.

    “Today, General Motors is announcing that it has made a payment of $5.8 billion to the U.S. Treasury and Export Development Canada. We’re paying back — in full, with interest, years ahead of schedule — loans made to help fund the new GM,” CEO Edward Whitacre announced in an opinion piece in the The Wall Street Journal.

    The U.S. is owed a payment of $4.7 billion and Canada $1.1 billion, when accounting for exchange rates, as part of GM’s bailout package, according to a Reuters report.

    %%DynaPub-Enhancement class=”enhancement contentType-HTML Content fragmentId-24139 payloadId-101546 alignment-left size-small”%%Taxpayers and the government are now waiting for the next GM payout, which will come when the company launches an IPO and the U.S. can extract itself from ownership in the slimmed down auto giant and its $50 billion bailout.

    Ownership stakes in GM were doled out following the company’s bankruptcy last year, in which the automaker executed an amazingly quick turnaround in 40 days, exiting bankruptcy in July. The bailout package gave the U.S. Treasury a 60.8% percent stake in the now privately held GM, and Export Development Canada an 11.7% stake.

    April 10th 2011.

    I’m sure “Bob” will learn how to read someday.

  194. 194

    @ 193

    Rujax:

    They paid off the loan with……..

    Another loan.

    Following GM’s announcement today that it has repaid the $5.8 billion in U.S. and Canadian loans months ahead of schedule, you may be wondering how exactly the automaker managed this. The answer is a $16.4 billion escrow account set up by the Obama administration during GM’s bankruptcy. Those funds are in exchange for the GM shares that make up part of the government’s stake in the company.
    The Treasury Department had to figure out how much of a cushion the company would need after emerging from bankruptcy. The escrow account was set up when the government bought a 61% stake in the company, but there was a string attached: GM had to get the Treasury Department’s OK before spending the money.

    Thus far, it used the fund to pay out $2.7 billion for the Delphi bankruptcy resolution and previous loan repayments. Rules required any money left in the account by June 30 to be used for loan repayment.

    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingt.....early.html

    Do you understand, Rujax? The government gave GM two pools of money. GM used one pool of funds GIVEN TO IT to pay off a loan.

    I realize that in a world in which you believe that people should just give you stuff without any obligation your part, you might have trouble comprehending this.

    It’s important, Rujax, for you to understand that GM paid back money given to it with money given to it. They didn’t do it based on anything they earned.

    There’s a difference between a dollar in your pocket that someone gave to you and a dollar in your pocket that you actually earned. It’s not just a dollar.

  195. 195

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....-of-a-jerk

    Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 07:30 AM PDT

    Right wing falls in love with Mitt Romney … because they finally realize he’s kind of a jerk+*by Jed Lewison Follow

    Still the same guy…

    McKay Coppins takes a look at how (and why) America’s right is falling in love with Mitt Romney:

    After a day spent waging bi-coastal combat with the Obama campaign, Mitt Romney’s team in Boston earned the highest compliment Rush Limbaugh has ever paid them Thursday afternoon: “I’m telling you,” he said. “This is not the McCain campaign.”
    Once-skeptical conservatives knew exactly what he meant. In the eyes of many on the right, John McCain’s 2008 presidential bid was a disaster not because he lost, but because he refused to fight. Conservatives believe McCain bought into a liberal media narrative that personal attacks on Barack Obama were unseemly and even racist. The conservative caricature of Candidate McCain that emerged in the wake of the Republicans’ defeat wasn’t of an unreliable moderate — rather, it was one of an Establishment figure paralyzed by political correctness, and unwilling to go blow for blow with Obama.

    But if the Vietnam veteran disappointed conservatives with his gun-shy campaign in 2008, Romney is uniting the right by playing the role of the bomb-thrower.

    To put it another way, these conservatives are realizing that Mitt Romney, Cranbook’s senior bully, and Mitt Romney, 2012 Republican nominee, are one and the same—and they’d love nothing more than to see Eric Fehrnstrom pin President Obama to the floor as Willard shaves that crazy hair right off Obama’s head, lest it turn into an Afro.

    They really aren’t paying attention the substance of what he says, at least when it comes to policy, because so much of what Romney says on policy is a jumbled mess of contradictions and falsehoods. But when Romney goes after Obama, it really gets them hot-and-bothered.</blockquote>

    Yep. “Bob”‘s kinda guy.

  196. 196

    @ 195

    If I have to take ‘jerk’ to get ‘competent’, I’ll take ‘jerk.

    Damn right this is not the McCain campaign. See @189.

  197. 197

    Re: 194…

    From “Bob”‘s OWN FUCKING CITE!!!

    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingt.....early.html

    How Did GM Pay Off the Loans Early?

    Following GM’s announcement today that it has repaid the $5.8 billion in U.S. and Canadian loans months ahead of schedule, you may be wondering how exactly the automaker managed this. The answer is a $16.4 billion escrow account set up by the Obama administration during GM’s bankruptcy. Those funds are in exchange for the GM shares that make up part of the government’s stake in the company.
    The Treasury Department had to figure out how much of a cushion the company would need after emerging from bankruptcy. The escrow account was set up when the government bought a 61% stake in the company, but there was a string attached: GM had to get the Treasury Department’s OK before spending the money.

    Thus far, it used the fund to pay out $2.7 billion for the Delphi bankruptcy resolution and previous loan repayments. Rules required any money left in the account by June 30 to be used for loan repayment. With the loans fully repaid, restrictions on the escrow fund will be lifted and GM will be allowed add the remaining $5.5 billion to its reserves.

    So what’s the bottom line?

    Essentially, GM no longer needs emergency government aid to stay afloat. While the taxpayer still has a sizable investment wrapped up in the automaker, GM has returned to decent health for the time being.

    Just how fucking STUPID is this “Bob” character?

    I guess we’re finding out.

  199. 199

    Crickets are chirping…

    Such a miserable dumbass. Why should I comment on some dumbassery he’s spouting at Bob?

  200. 200

    @ 197

    GM is given two pools of money by the government.

    GM pours one pool of money into the hole it created when it used the other pool of money.

    Rujax does a victory dance because the hole is filled.

    This is Democratic thought, boiled down to its most simplistic terms.

    I won’t even get into the special tax treatment given to GM by the IRS due to its pre-bankruptcy losses, which ends up further screwing the US taxpayer. Rujax is still moving his lips when he reads.

  201. 201

    @ 193

    Rujax:

    Concentrate just on the headline:

    Repaying Taxpayers With Their Own Cash

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05.....2gret.html

    If you feel you are up to it, you can read more about the disservice you are doing to yourself if you continue to believe that GM has earned its way out of its troubles:

    http://www.politifact.com/trut.....oans-full/

    And, Rujax, when/if GM ever does to start to earn some real profits, it won’t have to pay taxes on the money for a long, long time:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....03202.html

    Rujax, every bit of that was funded by the US taxpayer, and what the taxpayer got in return is about 50% underwater from break-even.

    There’s nothing, really, to be proud about. Had GM gone through a normal bankrupcy there would still be a GM. Unions wouldn’t be sitting as pretty and the bondholders would have done better, but GM would still be there.

    Do you understand, now?

  202. 202

    200. bob spews:

    @ 197

    GM is given two pools of money by the government.

    GM pours one pool of money into the hole it created when it used the other pool of money.

    Rujax does a victory dance because the hole is filled.

    This is Democratic thought, boiled down to its most simplistic terms.

    I won’t even get into the special tax treatment given to GM by the IRS due to its pre-bankruptcy losses, which ends up further screwing the US taxpayer. Rujax is still moving his lips when he reads.

    06/01/2012 at 11:09 am

    “Bob” is an ignorant ass…as we all know.

    So “Bob” would destroy ANOTHER important domestic industry and throw hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work.

    “Bob” is soooooooo smart.

    But for a real “scholar” like “Bob” the BILLIONS of dollars of subsidies for petroleum companies are okee dokee. Gee…why should we subsidize an INSANELY profitable business? “Bob” must know…because nobody else does.

    OH…and where was “Bob” and his ilk when the corrupt Cheney/Rumsfeld Administration “lost” NINE BILLION DOLLARS of American Taxpayer Money, money that “Bob” is sooooo protective of…

    Waxman $12 Billion in cash lost in Iraq.

    Henry Waxman’s opening statement of Iraq fraud and waste hearing.
    $12 Billion lost in Iraq, that’s $12,000,000,000 in cash unaccounted for.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_kskdHCOiI

    …things that make ya go, hmmmmmmm.

    (wow…$12 Billion????…cooool! Geee that would have bailed out GM!!)

  204. 204

    @ 202

    Ooh, nice segue into a different topic.

    So smooth, Rujax. No one even noticed.

    You go, girl.

  206. 206

    At the Barrett rally with Bill Clinton, a Walker supporter holding a sign and standing his ground gets arrested. In front of a shitload of reporters.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2.....heyre.html

    It’s almost like the cops want to make sure that Barrett not only loses, but looks awful in the process.

    This month is not starting well if you’re a Democrat. Fortunately, I’m not.

  207. 207

    I’d like the details. No news reports about the walker guy showing up in the search engines yet. You got a link to a legit news source?

  208. 208

    From what little I can find, you are objecting to cops acting like cops? This from a republican?

  209. 209

    A lone Scott Walker supporter was arrested at a campaign rally for Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett today, where Bill Clinton also spoke. The man had been arguing with rally attendees since before the rally began, and held a sign that said “Support Scott Walker, Not Union Thugs.”
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002753352

    While there were hundreds of Barrett signs throughout the park, one Walker supporter stood nearby holding a sign that said, “Support Scott Walker, Not Union Thugs.”
    After Clinton spoke, the man moved forward to a rope line where Clinton was shaking hands and posing for pictures. Asked by police officers to back away, the man apparently refused.
    He was later taken away by officers and was arrested. An officer said the man would be charged with disorderly conduct.
    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/156355605.html

    Until I get more information, it seems to be a big deal only in your head.

  210. 210

    @ 207, 208, 209

    Yeah, that’s what I saw online as well. Waiting for video, as apparently there were a bazillion photogs there.

    Another source, tweeted, said he was arrested for sticking his finger in the cop’s face during an exchange and that he was 30 feet from Clinton.

    John McCormack@McCormackJohn Follow
    @rosiegray Saw the arrest take place. Cop said it was because protester pointed his finger in cop’s face when cop told him to leave.
    01 Jun 2012 ReplyRetweetFavorite
    John McCormack@McCormackJohn Follow
    @rosiegray Cop also said Willoughby’s sign was “too close to the President”… But Willoughby was 30 feet from Clinton.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosieg.....clinton-ra

    from the story:

    A police officer on the scene would not say why the man had been arrested.

    and:

    Willoughby wouldn’t give his name to BuzzFeed but said that he is a former union worker who was threatened and harrassed when he left his union.

    There’s gotta be video.

  211. 211

    Bob is a troll. Puddy is a troll. Max is a troll.

    They are without principle, other than to shill for their wealthy masters.
    They don’t care about jobs, they don’t care about a healthy economy, they deny the notion that we are a nation of equals or that we’re all in this together. They are only here to mainline the daily fascist talking points, to pick fights that they wage without honesty or without integrity.

    They don’t care about the government losing money in GM or Solyndra – no, not really – they care about a Democratic administration being successful, and will fling any lie to achieve their end, sacrifice any ethic, fling any shit. Wasting money is actually a virtue for them, but it has to be a Republican doing it in the service of weakening government and steering money to their cronies. You know when a Republican screams “Cronism!” that they’re really pissed that it’s money they didn’t get their hands on.

    There is not objective principle that they will adhere to when analyzing government action regardless of party. They will say anything because they cannot tell the truth. Oligarchy doesn’t sell so well when you pitch it on the merits. Therefore they are inherently dishonest, and it’s a complete waste of time to do anything but ridicule them.

    Point and laugh.

  212. 212

    About the guy at the Barrett rally, when you’re within 30 feet of the President, and you don’t follow a lawful request to move, and, moreover, you stick your finger in a cop’s face and argue, be prepared to be arrested.

    If those are indeed the facts.

    If bub is so incensed about this guy having his First Amendment right abridged, perhaps he’d like to comment on all the Bush rallies in which citizens were ejected or detained simply for having T-shirts that disagreed with Bush.

    Here’s another, these people had the temerity to wear shirts emblazoned with the inflammatory, “Protect Our Civil Liberties“.

    Or another – people chased of their own property – the National Archives, for wearing “Impeach Bush” shirts.

    How about this Tea Party darling‘s private security non-union thugs detaining – kidnapping, I believe – a journalist?

    What about FREEDOM!!!1111!!!! that you right-tards are always braying about?

    Again, no principles.

  213. 213

    Oops! Probably more a case of being kinda dim and poorly represented than anything.

    Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester revoked the bail for Zimmerman — who is facing a second-degree murder charge in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin — after finding that Zimmerman and his wife concealed their access to a $200,000 account during a bond hearing in April.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/201.....rylink=cpy

  215. 215

    211. Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
    Bob is a troll. Puddy is a troll. Max is a troll.

    They are without principle, other than to shill for their wealthy masters.
    They don’t care about jobs, they don’t care about a healthy economy, they deny the notion that we are a nation of equals or that we’re all in this together. They are only here to mainline the daily fascist talking points, to pick fights that they wage without honesty or without integrity.

    They don’t care about the government losing money in GM or Solyndra – no, not really – they care about a Democratic administration being successful, and will fling any lie to achieve their end, sacrifice any ethic, fling any shit. Wasting money is actually a virtue for them, but it has to be a Republican doing it in the service of weakening government and steering money to their cronies. You know when a Republican screams “Cronism!” that they’re really pissed that it’s money they didn’t get their hands on.

    There is not objective principle that they will adhere to when analyzing government action regardless of party. They will say anything because they cannot tell the truth. Oligarchy doesn’t sell so well when you pitch it on the merits. Therefore they are inherently dishonest, and it’s a complete waste of time to do anything but ridicule them.

    Point and laugh.

    06/01/2012 AT 12:39 PM

    LMFAO….awwww, I sense much frustration from poor lab tech…so in a fit of misery, the lab tech lashes out…

    owned.

  217. 217

    Bob reminds me of this conservative joke that has been told here before.

    A group of protester were in front of a military base, protesting the war
    A conservative targets one off to one side and goes up to him, and decks him, knocking him down.
    “Hey man” the protester says as he gets up, stunned.
    The conservative decks him again, knocking him down.
    “That is NOT cool” the liberal says as he gets up, getting angry.
    The conservative decks him again, knocking him down.
    The liberal comes up, fighting mad. The conservative backs up, with his hands up. “I though you guys were all about non violence and peace and love”
    The protester calms down “You are right, violence never solved anything”
    The conservative sucker punches him, knocking the protester out.
    (The conservative telling this story, then collapses with laughter, saying how this is the best joke EVER!)

    The conservative is bob. When good people stand up for themselves, he gets all outraged, so he can sucker punch them some more.

    At the rally, the guy was apparently being a dick so he was asked to leave. Yet according to bob, the cops should not have done that. Apparently order and civility are not allowed in bob’s world for progressives.

  218. 218

    217 – yeah, I love it when the trolls spew their hate and other degrading bullshit and when we complain about it they say we “have no sense of humor”.

    Oh well, sure sucks to be them.

  219. 219

    Still waiting for Bub to comment on all the events, minor sampling above, in which Republicans actually did infringe on free speech rights at public gatherings.

    *crickets*

  220. 220

    I sense much frustration from poor lab tech…so in a fit of misery, the lab tech lashes out…

    Not at all lashing out – merely a dispassionate description of contemptible people.

    On the contrary, your incessant insults are a clear indication I’ve gotten in your head. Asshole.

  221. 221

    On the contrary, your incessant insults are a clear indication I’ve gotten in your head. Asshole.

    06/01/2012 AT 2:01 PM

    lol…in your dreams, mary.

  222. 222

    lol…in your dreams, mary.

    It’s really pretty obvious, Kimmy

  223. 223

    Hey everybody – be sure to vote in ‘GOP Madness‘ over at the Great Orange Satan.

    Up today – Mittster’s “Corporations are people, too” versus “Let him DIE!” at the GOP debate.

  224. 224

    222. Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
    lol…in your dreams, mary.

    It’s really pretty obvious, Kimmy

    06/01/2012 AT 2:15 PM

    you must be munching on some tainted agar…

    run along now…..your irrelevance to society has been confirmed.

  225. 225

    @212

    The incident with former US Senate Candidate Joe Miller, in my opinion, was deplorable. Since his unprecedented defeat, Miller has shown a willingness to compromise. He actually called for an investigation into a flawed civic election in Anchorage. One would think, and I would say it could go for both sides, when your guy gets elected or re-elected, you would take it and run.(Republican-leaning mayor Dan Sullivan was re-elected in the election I mentioned, and Miller ran in 2010 for Senate winning the GOP Primary but losing to Murkowski’s write-in campaign).

    Before I saw the comment on this thread at 212, I was meaning to pass on this little article. Some news that does not make the news, but re-inforces the Railway Age editorial I posted earlier. BNSF investing in trackwork, I see these headlines a lot lately, this time for Montana. If only they would add a second track to the Hi-Line in North Dakota.(Bakkan oil production is creating a big traffic boom, for Railroads large and small, and even Amtrak is seeing an increase on the Empire Builder within North Dakota, especially at Minot and Williston. The trains, both eastbound 8/28(28 is the Portland section), and westbound 7/27 arrive at decent times in Western North Dakota, but Fargo and Grand Forks, it’s about 3AM, in both directions!

    http://www.progressiverailroad.....211;31130#

  226. 226

    There is video taken during the Clinton-Barrett rally of the guy who was arrested.

    video taken before the arrest,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    the arrest,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#!

    He claims to be a Marine and an ex-union firefighter who is afraid to give his name because union thugs are out to get him. Now, I’ll wait and see what comes from the arrest record, of course, but I couldn’t help but notice that my Wingnut-Bullshit-Detector app went into alarm mode with that one.

  228. 228

    Wingnut-Bullshit-Detector app

    That must be very distracting when you come around here – this place is nasty with trolls – it must be going off all the time.

    ****

    you must be munching on some tainted agar…

    run along now…..your irrelevance to society has been confirmed.

    BTW, notice how Max can’t let it go…

  229. 229

    224. Kim Jong Chillin spews:

    222. Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:
    lol…in your dreams, mary.

    It’s really pretty obvious, Kimmy

    06/01/2012 AT 2:15 PM

    you must be munching on some tainted agar…

    run along now…..your irrelevance to society has been confirmed.

    06/01/2012 at 2:18 pm

    Fuck the emperor max-minidick(aka kaiser bun the first)…this is a LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE blog and the emperor max-minidick(aka kaiser bun the first) is neither LIBERAL nor PROGRESSIVE.

    He ought to be unceremoniously booted off the Island…along with “Boob” and the puddypussy.

  230. 230

    Newt, on Mitt:

    “[F]rankly, the Romney people did the only thing they could. They used their strengths — which were money and the super PAC and a willingness to go after me very aggressively — to offset my strength, which was an ability to define a larger, better future” Gingrich said. “It’s not bad to say [Romney] has proven he will do what it takes to beat Obama. It’s the nature of our current political culture that cynicism trumps idealism,” the former speaker added, coming very close to calling Romney cynical.

  231. 231

    BTW, notice how Max can’t let it go…

    06/01/2012 AT 2:35 PM

    look into the mirror, lab tech.

  232. 232

    Fuck the emperor max-minidick(aka kaiser bun the first)…this is a LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE blog and the emperor max-minidick(aka kaiser bun the first) is neither LIBERAL nor PROGRESSIVE.

    He ought to be unceremoniously booted off the Island…along with “Boob” and the puddypussy.

    06/01/2012 AT 2:39 PM

    you knew it wouldnt be long before the cellar-dweller rujaxoff showed up….our very own broom sweeping shop steward

  233. 233

    @228 “That must be very distracting when you come around here”

    Quite bothersome, actually. I have to run most of the troll comments through the Wingnut-Decoder app, and then run them through the Wingnut-Bullshit-Detector app. What I need is an app that both decodes and detects.

  234. 234

    look into the mirror,

    Creepy racist hater’s favorite..

    And this is too amusing..

    To me, this blog is brief little comical distraction,

    He finds hate, ignorance, racism and sexual degradation “comical”..

    Sure sucks to be him.

  235. 235

    @ 216

    “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

    I know I’ve heard that somewhere before……

  236. 236

    @ 229

    So, Rujax, you want people who disagree with you and who point out your obvious lack of command of the most basic facts of the day, any day, to be banned, so that you can continue to be an imbecile without fear of being called on it?

    Really? You want to be able to spew consistently incredibly uninformed blather without consequence?

    Not everyone wears the cheerleader uniform, Rujax. Some people like to scrimmage.

  238. 238

    @ 230

    GOP tried to use some of what HRC said about Obama during the ’08 general. How’d that work out for them?

    Keep workin’ it.

  239. 239

    234. YLB spews:
    look into the mirror,

    Creepy racist hater’s favorite..

    And this is too amusing..

    To me, this blog is brief little comical distraction,

    He finds hate, ignorance, racism and sexual degradation “comical”..

    Sure sucks to be him.

    06/01/2012 AT 3:10 PM

    and of course YLBigot is right behind rujaxoff..

  240. 240

    @ 212

    when you’re within 30 feet of the President, and you don’t follow a lawful request to move, and, moreover, you stick your finger in a cop’s face and argue, be prepared to be arrested.

    When you’re sitting in front of a group of police officers trying to move arrested and handcuffed colleagues of yours to the vehicles so they can be taken to be booked, and your colleagues have the police surrounded, and you don’t follow a lawful request to move and, moreover, you shout “From Davis to Greece, Fuck the Police!!” while the cops are issuing you warnings that you will be pepper-sprayed, be prepared to be pepper-sprayed.

    Whaddya think?

  241. 241

    @ 217

    Did you watch what went on in Madison last Spring? How did the Madison police handle the anti-Walker protesters who did things like shout down a 14 year old girl?

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2.....party.html

    If that is to be tolerated, shouldn’t a single guy holding a sign similarly be tolerated?

    Don’t get me wrong – I never claimed @ 206/210 the arrest shouldn’t have occurred. Circumstances do seem curious. I expressed surprise that Barrett would let it happen at a rally in which he has a deficit to overcome.

    I’m just pointing out how tolerance of liberal protest by Madison cops seems to differ from how Barrett’s police force handled a single conservative protestor.

  242. 242

    @ 212

    It probably differs if they were private events on private property vs. a public forum such as a park rally. I won’t click on your links but if people protested in public spaces without interfering with the rights of others to hear the program, then I probably am in agreement with you.
    If it is a private event, that’s different. You can heckle me from the back of the crowd if I’m speaking in a public park. You can’t do it if I’m speaking in my large, fenced back yard and you weren’t invited. Unless you’re on the other side of the fence, I suppose.

  243. 243

    He describes the conventional wisdom this way: “If you pour money into rich people, like an ingredient, in the form of lower tax rates, jobs will squirt out of them…which makes people like me job creators.” He thinks that’s nuts.

    “Lots of grass will equal lots of zebras, and lots of zebras will create a great situation for the lion. But the opposite is not true. More lions won’t create more zebras. And more zebras won’t create more grass.” Current economic policies, he says, “have made it cozy for the lions.”

    “And all that’s happened is that the fat cats have gotten fatter,” he adds. “And that makes no sense.”

    His three-plank platform: (1) Raise taxes on the rich and use the money for “investments” that benefit the middle class, or simply give them some of the money. (2) Strengthen unions so that a greater share of national income goes to workers and a lesser one to corporate profits, reversing recent trends. And (3) get tough with China which, he says, is subsidizing its exports to build a bigger middle class at America’s expense.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics.....e-economy/

  245. 245

    @ 226

    Thanks for posting the video.

    Did you catch, at around :14 in the arrest video, the cop telling the protestor: “You’re going to get your ass kicked. Move!”

    Imagine a Seattle cop telling that to a OWS protestor in Westlake Park, then arresting him, with that comment captured on video.

    BTW in the one minute-plus prior to the actual arrest, NOTHING was said about the protestor’s proximity to President Clinton. Not one word I heard.

  246. 246

    Imagine a Seattle cop telling that to a OWS protestor in Westlake Park,

    What planet are you living on?

    Imagine them pepper spraying 80 year old ladies, which they actually did.

  247. 247

    @242

    I won’t click on your links

    Why the fuck bother – you might find something that undermines your whining about the Barrett event today.
    The links went to stories about people who attended rallies, or attempted to enter public spaces like the National Archives, with shirts saying things like “Protect Our Civil Liberties“ or “Impeach Bush”. This was the Bush Administration in action – and you’re weaseling. Oh, and a story about a journalist who was detained by private non-union thugs in a way that usually constitutes kidnapping.

    If civil liberties were really important to you, as opposed to trying to score cheap “union thug” points like you usually do, we’d hear a far different tune…

  248. 248

    @ 246

    Yes, they did. Apparently @ 212 if a cop tells you to do something and you don’t, you can get arrested. Why not pepper-sprayed?

    An arrest deprives you of your liberty for a couple of hours or so. Pepper spray puts you out of commission for about an hour.

  249. 249

    Imagine a Seattle cop telling that to a OWS protestor in Westlake Park, then arresting him, with that comment captured on video.

    They have done far worse than that, which is why they’re the target of a DOJ investigation.

    Again, this whining from you is all about trying to score “union thug” points – have you EVER commented on police brutality here? Have you ever protested for the free speech rights of someone you don’t agree with?

  250. 250

    @ 247 Actually, right now I’m on an island, the DSL is sketchy, and HA isn’t loading very well. If I click on a link I might not get back.

  251. 251

    It’s almost like the cops want to make sure that Barrett not only loses, but looks awful in the process

    Public safety unions were treated with kid gloves by Walker IIRC.

    What “thugs” right?

  252. 252

    Why not pepper-sprayed?

    Oh, I don’t know, because it’s a form of assualt, perhaps.

    Why don’t we just Tazer everybody?

    Apparently @ 212 if a cop tells you to do something and you don’t, you can get arrested.

    Typically ‘cute’, as I was specifically discussing, as I said, behavior within 30 feet of the President, not the way you generalized it.

    God you’re disingenuous.

  253. 253

    To your first question: Not that I can recall:

    To your second question: Yes, I have. Flag-burning thing in college. First Amendment protection of the activity even though I wouldn’t mind kicking the shit out of assholes like this:

    http://lefteyeimages.photoshel.....EgU.7hoWP0

    Which one laughing in the background are you, Lib Sci?

    You don’t know me, I’m not a one-trick pony, and I make you think. You make me think. It’s why you’re back interacting with me after blowing me off last week. Either before or after your silly despair woe-is-you line that I won’t let you forget any time soon.

  254. 254

    Pepper spray puts you out of commission for about an hour.

    Yeah. Well it looks like you’re now imagining Seattle cops doing things to OWS protestors a bit more physical than using harsh language.

    Congrats.

  255. 255

    Tazing can kill someone. To my knowledge, pepper spray hasn’t. Pepper spray is crowd control.

  256. 256

    I highly recommend people watch as many Nick Hannauer interviews on youtube or whereever.

    The guy is a real out of the box thinker.

    HE’S A SUCCESSFUL CAPITALIST TOO!

  258. 258

    Imagine them pepper spraying 80 year old ladies, which they actually did.

    06/01/2012 AT 3:40 PM

    oh, you mean that silly old broad who’s only purpose in life is to protest shit..ya her..lol

    some washed up hippy who thinks its still 1968..

  259. 259

    253. bob spews:
    To your first question: Not that I can recall:

    To your second question: Yes, I have. Flag-burning thing in college. First Amendment protection of the activity even though I wouldn’t mind kicking the shit out of assholes like this:

    http://lefteyeimages.photoshel.....EgU.7hoWP0

    Which one laughing in the background are you, Lib Sci?

    You don’t know me, I’m not a one-trick pony, and I make you think. You make me think. It’s why you’re back interacting with me after blowing me off last week. Either before or after your silly despair woe-is-you line that I won’t let you forget any time soon.

    06/01/2012 AT 3:48 PM

    Dont know if I would have been so forgiving of that asshole bob….maybe that punk needs to go live in North Korea or Syria for a while and then we will see if he shits on the flag.
    I can bet you one thing for sure: he is an OWSer asking for “free stuff” and votes D.

  260. 260

    Liquor Privatization, Day 1

    Today is the first day you can buy liquor in grocery stores. I stopped by my neighborhood QFC to see how this is working out.

    Bottom line: Same prices, smaller selection.

    I couldn’t get my favorite French brandy at all. The store manager told me they didn’t get a shipment yet. Maybe two weeks, he said.

    QFC is advertising a 1.75-liter bottle of Jack Daniels for $33.99 — but that doesn’t include the 20.5% state liquor tax or the “per liter charge” (whatever that is; I suspect it’s a store add-on) of $3.75/liter. Add those in, and that bottle rings up at $47.52. The now-closed state liquor store in my neighborhood used to sell it for $47.50.

    I said this before the election, but now I have proof: Any voter who thought privatizing liquor sales would result in lower prices had his head up his ass.

    Then there’s the matter of QFC advertising that $33.99 price. Obviously, it’s highly misleading, if not downright false advertising, to tell the public you’ll sell them a 1.75-liter bottle of Jack Daniels for $33.99 and then ring it up for $47.52 at the register. I won’t mince words: That’s lying.

    I asked the store manager whose idea that was. Corporate headquarters, he said. Why don’t they include the taxes and charges in the shelf price so customers know what they’re paying? They want to make it look cheaper, he said. Not smart, I said, the store is just pissing off its customers. The store manager said he’s been hearing a lot of complaints about that from customers today.

    Somebody at QFC headquarters has his head up his ass.

    Voters and grocery store pricing managers all have their heads up their asses. Is there anyone around here who doesn’t have his head up his ass? Well, me, for one — I walked out of the store with a couple of discounted items in my shopping bag … but no liquor. I’m not buying bullshit today.

  261. 261

    257. YLB spews:
    Wow! Jeb Bush does something the insane Republican Klown posse in their debates could not:

    Jeb Bush Says He Would Back Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    At a 10 to 1 spending cut to tax increase ratio!

    WHAT A BREAKTHROUGH! Could the people please wake up and give this crazy party the hook?

    06/01/2012 AT 4:16 PM

    when are you going to do your part and volunteer or vote to pay more taxes out of your wallet?

    crickets…..

  263. 263

    @261 No. I’m sick and tired of paying for your goddamned wars and your goddamned military weapons. And I’m even more sick of assholes like you borrowing from China, our enemy, to pay for that shit and give yourselves tax breaks. Fuck you and all your commie-hugging buddies!

  264. 264

    It’s like this: If you’re not gonna pay taxes for food stamps and unemployment benefits, then I’m not gonna pay taxes for wars and weapons. That’s just the way it is.

  265. 265

    We’ve got to stop pussyfooting around with these rightwing sons of whores and start treating them like they treat us. The Golden Rule applies here: One shit sandwich deserves another.

  266. 266

    Why don’t they include the taxes and charges in the shelf price so customers know what they’re paying?

    They dont do that for any other products? why should booze be different? duh.

  267. 267

    264. Roger Rabbit spews:
    It’s like this: If you’re not gonna pay taxes for food stamps and unemployment benefits, then I’m not gonna pay taxes for wars and weapons. That’s just the way it is.

    06/01/2012 AT 4:35 PM

    have fun explaining that to obama’s new, revamped IRS…

  268. 268

    Imagine them pepper spraying 80 year old ladies, which they actually did.

    06/01/2012 AT 3:40 PM

    oh, you mean that silly old broad who’s only purpose in life is to protest shit..ya her..lol

    some washed up hippy who thinks its still 1968..

    You know in another thread you said “the rules are the rules” and yet when the police break “the rules” and pepper spray someone that wasn’t doing anything wrong you don’t seem to have a problem with it. So I guess it’s not really “the rules are the rules” is it?

  271. 271

    A grocery item with a shelf price of $2.99 rings up as $2.99. A bottle of pop with a shelf price of 99 cents rings up as $1.09.

    A bottle of liquor with a shelf price of $33.99 ringing up as $47.52? That’s in a different league.

  272. 272

    263. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @261 No. I’m sick and tired of paying for your goddamned wars and your goddamned military weapons. And I’m even more sick of assholes like you borrowing from China, our enemy, to pay for that shit and give yourselves tax breaks. Fuck you and all your commie-hugging buddies!

    06/01/2012 AT 4:34 PM

    LOL..its your buddies borrowing from China, and then telling us that “its no big deal”(how many times have we heard that here at HA).

    Sorry old man, they aint my wars – im just a guy paying his bills and supporting society’s lazy losers and dregs…you know, like your OWS friends…

    and thanks for the offer to copulate with you, but I must decline. You arent my type….maybe you can track down Gman and solicity him – you can probably find him on craigs list offering his services.

  273. 273

    @268 Police are getting aggressive about threatening and arresting people simply for filming them making arrests and pepper spraying people — which is not only a legal activity, but a constitutionally protected one. When the police do this, they should be — and are getting — sued. The Boston police department has already had to pay a $170,000 judgment for this. That doesn’t go far enough. Cops who do this should be fired and criminally prosecuted. That seems to be the only thing that makes them understand we citizens have constitutional rights, and those rights are more than a scrap of paper for cops to stomp on at their discretion.

  274. 274

    A grocery item with a shelf price of $2.99 rings up as $2.99. A bottle of pop with a shelf price of 99 cents rings up as $1.09.

    A bottle of liquor with a shelf price of $33.99 ringing up as $47.52? That’s in a different league.

    06/01/2012 AT 4:43 PM

    Awwwwww, so you dont like the “different league”?? well then go complain to Olympia you fucking idiot – YOUR democrats put the tax on.

    store items never(almost never) show the tax in the price. If you have a problem with how much the tax is, how the fuck is that the store’s fault?

    god damned fucking idiot..go take a toke off your oxygen tank.

  276. 276

    @267 Trust me, I don’t have a problem with the idea of being your cellmate …

  277. 277

    275. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @267 After you …

    06/01/2012 AT 4:49 PM

    Well I’m glad you know your place finally.

  278. 278

    276. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @267 Trust me on this, I don’t have a problem with the idea of being your cellmate …

    06/01/2012 AT 4:50 PM

    speak for yourself….I would rather take a .45 to the head.

    Old-Man ass does not appeal to me in the slightest.

  279. 279

    @272 “its your buddies borrowing from China … sorry old man, they aint my wars … im just a guy paying his bills and supporting society’s lazy losers and dregs”

    bullshit

  281. 281

    280. Roger Rabbit spews:
    If you voted Republican, you own those wars.

    06/01/2012 AT 4:54 PM

    Really? the congressional record shows differently.

    and I voted republican, democrat, one libertarian, and one independent during the last election.

    kinda fucks up your whole world view, dont it.

  282. 282

    279. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @272 “its your buddies borrowing from China … sorry old man, they aint my wars … im just a guy paying his bills and supporting society’s lazy losers and dregs”

    bullshit

    06/01/2012 AT 4:53 PM

    probably supporting you too….thats cool, my family has big shoulders

  283. 283

    So I guess it’s not really “the rules are the rules” is it?

    Of course not, Michael. Like I said above, no principles, only attack.

  284. 284

    283. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
    So I guess it’s not really “the rules are the rules” is it?

    Of course not, Michael. Like I said above, no principles, only attack.

    06/01/2012 AT 5:20 PM

    if thats the best you two can come up with, then I would just throw in the towel if I was you.

    better yet, go smoke a bowl, get arrested, and let me know how it works out for you in prison.

  285. 285

    Of course not, Michael. Like I said above, no principles, only attack.

    06/01/2012 AT 5:20 PM

    Thats a funny statement, coming from someone who does nothing but attack religion.

    oh, but I forgot, you are progressive and enlightened…LMFAO

  286. 286

    283
    You know, if he just cut the crap and said he enjoyed seeing DFH’s getting pepper-sprayed, I’d be fine with that. It’s obviously not about everyone following the rules, it’s about liking people he doesn’t like facing violence. So why not just say it?

  287. 287

    I’m still stunned by the recent shooting tragedy. The last victim who was shot and killed near Virginia Mason was someone my Dear Ms. Wingnut and I have known for many years.

  288. 288

    It’s obviously not about everyone following the rules, it’s about liking people he doesn’t like facing violence. So why not just say it?

    Cowardice

  289. 289

    I’m still stunned by the recent shooting tragedy. The last victim who was shot and killed near Virginia Mason was someone my Dear Ms. Wingnut and I have known for many years.

    Really? I’m so sorry. I was shocked to learn that she was the mom of one of my older son’s classmates.

  290. 290

    coming from someone who does nothing but attack religion.

    HA! I told you I was in your head! HAHAHA

    And…my pin-headed friend, I don’t attack religion per se – oh, no. Let me explain, and I’ll try to use small words so you might understand.

    As I have said many times on this blog, if you have a faith, a religion, that brings you to the Golden Rule, that leads you to teach peace, that inspires you to make the world a better place, that advances what I understand to be Jesus’ supreme law – LOVE, then EXCELLENT!! I’m right there with you, good on you, keep it up, Praise Whomever (Steve Schwartz even!)

    No no no – what I attack is nasty hatred hiding behind a Bible, affirmative idiocy like Creationism, the relentless drive to undermine the integrity of what we teach our children with the poison of superstition. I will rail day and night about bigotry and hatred and aggressive stupidity and Republicanism hiding behind ostentatious religiocity.

    Dickhead.

  291. 291

    287. Steve spews:

    I’m still stunned by the recent shooting tragedy. The last victim who was shot and killed near Virginia Mason was someone my Dear Ms. Wingnut and I have known for many years.

    06/01/2012 at 5:53 pm

    So sorry to hear that Steve…condolences all around.

  292. 292

    @277 To a logical mind (no, not yours), taking a comment out of context renders your reply nonsensical.

  293. 293

    @291 A result of a nut with a gun. When will this madness of letting everyone have guns stop?

  294. 294

    @281 “kinda fucks up your whole world view, dont it”

    nope, it doesn’t, not even a teeny-weeny bit

  295. 295

    Voting for Dubya is analogous to being pregnant, you either did or you didn’t, and if you did you’re one of the voters responsible for his wars and torture.

  296. 296

    They’re At It Again …

    Republicans know they can’t win a fair election, so they spend millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours trying to throw up obstacles to voting.

    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.c.....orado?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’m not saying non-citizens should be allowed to vote; they shouldn’t. But innocent people shouldn’t go to jail (or be executed; see Rick Perry viz. Todd Cameron Willingham), either. Under our system of government, we believe it’s better to let an occasional guilty person go free than imprison (or, heaven forbid, put to death) innocent people.

    This same reasoning should apply to voting: We’re a democracy, and excluding thousands of legitimate voters from the polls to keep a handful of illegitimate ones from voting is just too high a price to pay for a “perfect” election that won’t happen anyway. (Hell, election worker mistakes probably account for more ballot counting errors than illegal voting.)

    Well, here’s an idea. Let political parties scrub voters lists all they want to. But require them to post a sufficient bond and pay every legal voter they scrub $10,000 in liquidated damages. If Republicans want to kick 50,000 voters off the rolls, they have to post $500,000,000 bond, and every legal voter they kick off the rolls gets to keep 10G of it.

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    @ 296

    So, for every ACORN (or whatever ACORN has morphed into) false voter registration, let’s withdraw $10,000 from ACORN’s operating fund. If ACORN wants to register voters in areas in which they have filed obviously false registrations previously, they have to post a bond, from which all penalties will be drawn.

    Well, here’s an idea just as idiotic as RR’s, anyway.

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    @298
    You’re onto ACORN now? Breathtaking.

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    Today’s plunge of 275 Dow points in the stock market may serve as a catalyst for QE3. But I hope not.

    The Federal Reserve was right to inject cash into the financial system in 2008. That’s because cash hoarding sucked trillions of dollars out of circulation, effectively shrinking the money supply, which could have triggered a deflationary “death spiral.” It’s like giving transfusions to an accident victim who has lost a lot of blood, so he doesn’t die.

    But QE2 was a different story. There, the Fed was trying to stimulate the economy, with only marginal effectiveness (if that much). Instead of going into the economy, that money went into financial markets, artificially pushing up prices of commodities and stocks, which is one of the reasons you’re paying so much for food and gasoline now.

    A QE3 likely would have no stimulus effect at all. It’ll just create more market distortions, especially in interest rates. The rates on long-term Treasuries already are at never-before-seen lows.

    The theory behind quantitative easing is pushing down interest rates below market levels encourages borrowing, which in turn boosts spending, which stimulates hiring. But you get that stimulus only if banks lend, consumers borrow, and companies hire. With interest rates already artifically pushed to historic low, none of those things are happening. As Wikipedia points out,

    “Quantitative easing … can fail if banks remain reluctant to lend money to small business and households in order to spur demand.”

    They could have added, “or if consumers have no taste for borrowing and spending, even at the lower rates.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.....2C_and_QE3

    An unemployed person with no income isn’t going to qualify for a mortgage or car loan, and a consumer struggling to “delever” won’t take on more debt, no matter how low interest rates go. What the economy needs is more jobs, not cheaper money.

    The Fed’s policy of keeping interest lows low for a prolonged period doesn’t really help debtors, except those with variable interest rate loans, because for everyone else their rates are locked in by their loan contracts. And if they’re having trouble paying on those loans, they’re hardly going to take out more loans in order to take advantage of low lending rates.

    On the other hand, keeping interest rates at or near zero is a gut punch to retirees and senior citizens who have to live on investment income. The decline in their income means they have to spend less, causing further economic contraction, and forcing them to liquidate savings because they can’t earn any income from their savings means they will continue to spend less in the future — permanently.

    Cheap money also corrodes the foundation of capitalism by altering the capital formation process by creating a corporate bias in favoring of selling bonds instead of stock. In fact, right now, many companies are borrowing billions to buy back their own stock. Carried to its logical extremity, this ultimately reduces ownership by shareholders to zero. Who, then, do managements and boards answer to? No one. And is having companies capitalized with 100% debt good for the economy? It seems just a matter of time before economic conditions would come along to tumble that house of cards. Then, instead of a depression with 25% unemployment (1930s), how about a depression with 100% unemployment? You won’t have an Occupy Wall Street then; you’ll have violent revolution and overthrow.

    In short, quantitative easing had its usefulness at the beginning of the financial crisis, but is counterproductive now. We’re hearing a lot of bleating from Wall Street for more quantitative easing. That’s because QE3 would push up stock prices and the Wall Street bleaters will profit from that. They shouldn’t be listened to. Not by the Federal Reserve, and not by you or me.

    For the reasons outlined above, there should be no QE3. It’s time Federal Reserve policy stopped sucking up to Wall Street and began serving Main Street.

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    @ 299

    You must already be hypoxic from despairing for our country. That’s what seems breathtaking.

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    @ 300

    So, what if The One needs QE3 to get re-elected? No stimulus, no recovery, Obama looks weak and responsible for a recession in Q3, etc.

    Would you still be opposed to QE3?

    BTW I also am opposed to QE3. I say we tough it out and replace the president, then watch the money on the sidelines return to good use in the economy.

    But the above was a serious question, RR. What if Obama needs it to be re-elected?

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    @298 I’ll agree to your proposal if you’ll agree to my proposal. I’ll even go you one better, and this doesn’t even require new legislation: If someone submits a false voter registration, prosecute him/her, and make him/her pay a fine and/or do jail time.

    But I’d also like to extend that principle to people (see, e.g., Lori Sotelo) who file perjured affidavits to challenge voter registrations. That doesn’t require new legislation, either, it only needs a politically unbiased prosecutor (do not see, e.g., Dan Satterberg) who will enforce the laws we already have.

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    @302 “Would you still be opposed to QE3?”

    Yes.

    “I say we tough it out and replace the president …”

    With what? This?

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fntl.....apital.jpg

    “But the above was a serious question, RR. What if Obama needs it to be re-elected?”

    Right now it’s hard for me to visualize any scenario in which Obama loses to a candidate as lame as Romney, but if you’ll allow me to give a hypothetical answer to your hypothetical question, I disagree with Bernanke’s easing policy independently of, and regardless of, wat Obama needs to get re-elected. In any case, I don’t see how a Federal Reserve policy that’s not stimulating the economy helps Obama get re-elected if he needs a better economy to get re-elected, which is by no means a given. But even if QE3 made the difference between Obama winning or losing in November, I would still be against QE3 for all the reasons I stated @300 plus the fact I think ineffectual government interventions in markets that create market distortions is a bad thing. Unequivocally, period, without qualifications or exceptions, and all that.

    If what your driving at is the tendency of politicians in an elective democracy to manipulate government policies to give their own re-election a boost in an election year, then yes, that’s a serious issue that merits serious discussion, but what’s your suggested solution for that?

    I think the immediate direction any such discussion should go is as follows. The Federal Reserve was putatively structured to insulate monetary policymakers from partisan politics, but there is some question of whether they really are. So, the first question is, are they? And if we conclude they’re not, then what should our response be? Get rid of the Federal Reserve altogether, as Randroids want to do? Restructure it to increase its distance from partisan influences? Can that be done with some tweaking, or does it require major reorganization?

    Or, is the system working okay, but Ben Bernanke is simply wrong? In which case, what to do about that? Bernanke was a Bush appointee; if he’s jettisoned when the position next comes up for appointment, I won’t weep over his departure; but I’ll want to see who/what President Obama or President Romney intends to replace him with. Bring Greenspan back? Hell no, if those two are my only choices, I’ll take Ben, and that’s not even like asking, “Would you rather be hanged or shot?”

    Another question to ask is, is the Fed chair simply too powerful? Is Greenspan or Bernanke or Whoever too much a Committee of One? Should we give the other Fed governors expanded say, and maybe bring in the regional Federal Reserve Bank presidents and give them expanded power over monetary policy, too? In other words, replace the Committee of One with a committee of many? Or is this like asking whether a Poliburo works better than a Generalissimo?

    Bernanke is smarter than me, and knows more about economics than I do, especially on the subject of what causes depressions and/or makes them worse. I’ve taken that into account and still find myself disagreeing with him, and not just because other people who are smarter and more credentialed than me disagree with him, too.

    I think this is one of those areas where nobody knows the answer for sure, so when the Fed tries something, you look at whether it’s working, and if it doesn’t seem to be, any rational rabbit is going to conclude that maybe the policy guys should try something else. What was it Einstein said about trying the same thing over and over, and getting the same result? I’m pretty sure Bernanke is familiar with that idea, at least, he should be.

    My thought is let’s try something simple: Get the government out of the market and let market forces work to bring the economy back into balance. That will have to happen anyway, and the more you create market distortions with government tinkering, the longer it’ll take.

    So stop oversteering the car and let it track by itself, assuming the suspension isn’t bent; who knows, it might go straighter than you can steer it. The same principle applies to how a pilot should operate a properly trimmed airplane (ask Darryl about that one if you don’t understand it).

    Now go ahead and call me a communist …

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    One thing (certainly not the only thing) I’d like to see happen is for stock prices to find their own level without being pushed in one direction or another by some guy in a leather swivel chair behind a mahogany desk in a marble palace in Washington D.C. You can’t figure out what you should pay for a stock when someone behind a curtain is making it dance on a string.

    (Think “yo-yo” and you’re not far off what investors have to cope with right now; which, needless to say, is keeping a lot of investors out of the market. If Bernanke wants stock prices to go up, he should try letting go of the string. That would bring more people into the market, and their buying would push up stock prices far more effectively than he can.)

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    Now go ahead and call me a communist …

    The first really lucid comment you’ve written in a long time Roger Rabbit.

    After your picture attack it was cogent, thoughtful and eloquent. My hat off to you Roger. I really mean it. Something Lib da Schmuck could never write in a million years with a centillion * centillion tries. When you shed that stupid libtard persona you are ok.

    So, does a Fed Chairman or a Fed bank head make a great Secretary of the Treasury?

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    Bob, the Elizabeth Warren house flipping story is great, but now she’s blowing off her “compatriots“.

    Warren released a detailed email about the controversy to supporters yesterday in an attempt to stop the bleeding. She admitted telling Harvard and University of Pennsylvania officials about her purported Native American heritage, even though she originally had said she didn’t know how the universities found out about her background.

    So how do you know a libtard is lying? They continue to revise their “story”!

    HAHAHAHAHA!

  308. 308

    Something Lib da Schmuck could never write in a million years with a centillion * centillion tries.

    HAHAHAHAHA

    I’m in puddle’s head too – what’s with you wingnut Bible thumpers?

    Can’t take fact?

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    I’m going to bed – you wingers are just too much

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    I’m in puddle’s head too – what’s with you wingnut Bible thumpers?

    Hardly moron. Roger demonstrated he can be a normal human being, something out of your realm!

    Can’t take fact?

    I delivered fact. Something Lib da Schmuck could never write in a million years with a centillion * centillion tries.

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    FOund this article on a facebook link from passenger advocacy group All Aboard Washington about the latest on TALGO suddenly going at it in Wisconsin. Apparently their US Head is calling us a Third World Country(this coming from a Spanish Company). Judging from the article, it seems the TALGO CEO may have just seen the movie Network, as it looks like he could not take his company being trashed by these politicians anymore.(Must be tough for a guy from a country where thhey do elections differently, and are more likely to have to work together).

    http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2012.....rew-talgo/

    Just passing the articles along, I know some here may not care.

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    For the San Francisco Municipal Railway, which turns 100 this year, historic rolling stock keeps on rolling on the F-Market and Wharves streetcar line. What does not get much press, is a vehicle used behind the scenes. Sound Transit and Metro use trucks for track repairs, but in Frisco, they still use a track repair car, car C-1, is 96 years old(only 4 years newer than historic streetcar No.1). Might as well stick with what works. Car No.1 was still in revenue service at the turn of the 20th Century until wiring problems sidelined it, and somebody parked it outside exposed to the elements. They got it back last year from a rebuild in Pennsylvania, and have rededicated it.

    http://www.streetcar.org/blog/.....ws+Blog%29

    Now this was something interesting in Frisco last year. Mayor Ed Lee was elected into a term in his own right, and something that struck me about him. He did not grandstand that much. Politicians like ribbon cutting ceremonies prior to the election.

    http://www.streetcar.org/blog/.....r-lee.html

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    @306 “So, does a Fed Chairman or a Fed bank head make a great Secretary of the Treasury?”

    S/he might or might not, depending on qualifications, experience, and intangible factors such as leadership qualities. In general, making policy at the Federal Reserve and supervising the IRS are two different jobs. So it’s not obvious to me that a Fed Chairman is a logical choice for Treasury Secretary.

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    @310 “Roger demonstrated he can be a normal human being”

    Other than I get my rocks off pretending to be a feral rabbit. (Is there any other kind worth pretending to be?)

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    To Lib Sci regarding:

    http://horsesass.org/?p=43834#comment-1153610

    Apparently the IG’s mention of all of that green jobs money going to ‘friends and family’ wasn’t in the report.

    It was out of the IG’s mouth during testimony:

    The Department of Energy’s inspector general, Gregory Friedman, who was not a political appointee, chastised the alternative-energy loan and grant programs for their absence of “sufficient transparency and accountability.” He has testified that contracts have been steered to “friends and family.”

    http://directorblue.blogspot.c.....nergy.html

    80% of the programs went to Obama donors. And Romney’s a liar for bringing it up when it came out of DOE’s own IG’s mouth?

    Nice try.

    (Also posted on Friday night extravaganza since no one is reading here anymore)

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