YLB hasn’t had a job and doesn’t want a job. He wants “rich people” to pay his fair share.
That is what most folks call a “LOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!”
ImamObaMao is now -18 in the Strong Approval Poll. He was +32 post-inauguration.
The more ImamObaMao gets in front of the camera or does stupid interviews with Rolling Stone Mag…the worse it gets for the Dems.
Although you KLOWNS don’t get it…he doesn’t give a shit about his “USEFUL IDIOTS”.
He doesn’t want the Dems to maintain control of the House or Senate.
He just wants to get re-elected in 2012 so he doesn’t go down in history as the worst president…Jimmy Carter II.
You Leftist Pinheaded KLOWNS need to get your heads outta the sand…or whatever deep, dark place your heads may dwell
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
The Dumbest Senator Ever Murray…busted again by the Times. This time for lying in an ad about Rossi.
She is desperate and desperate people do stupid things. Will this article in the Times help her??
The ad is based on an exchange last week between Rossi and a News Tribune of Tacoma staff member during an endorsement interview with both Senate candidates.
The ad shows Rossi at the interview and says he was asked, “Should Boeing workers have a level playing field?” The ad then shows him replying, “No, not as far as I’m concerned. No.”
But Rossi was never asked the words shown in the ad. A videotape of the interview shows his answer actually was in response to a convoluted exchange about whether government subsidies to Boeing and its chief competitor should be considered when awarding the contract.
But because the ad substitutes a different question for the one he was asked, we find the ad’s assertion is false.
Funny Goldy NEVER finds these articles given all the time he spends posting on the Seattle Times.
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lyrrdispews:
Meanwhile, you know things have gone from bad to worse when Eleanor Clift capitulates:
Obama’s Failure of Leadership
“I’m loath to admit it, but I think there’s been a failure of leadership in this White House. Why else would a party on the verge of extinction less than two years ago be poised to take over one or perhaps both chambers of Congress?”
“Leadership” means deficit reduction through raising the social security and medicare benefit eligibility age, bringing back rejecting health insurance claims due to pre-existing conditions like acne, taking away health care from kids, giving BP back all the money Obama “shook them down” for, starting another war of choice and giving the rich more tax cuts..
Time to vote Republican in November.
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ldspews:
Thank You, I, my family and most of America will Vote Republican this November.
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Beckonerspews:
An Anthem for 2010
Three Principles of the Fathers,
Property,Self-reliance, and God,
The triune foundations of our Freedom.
Using this, we establish the Republic;
Using this, we advance into a state of total peace.
Oh, you, patriots,
For the Almighty, be the vanguard.
Without resting day or night,
Follow the Principles.
Swear to be diligent; swear to be courageous.
Obliged to be trustworthy; obliged to be loyal.
With one heart and one God,
We carry through until the very end.
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Speaking of integrityspews:
@4
Goldy and Murray have much in common. Not a stranger to distortion of the facts himself, here:
when the referenced article actually only mentioned a single, anonyomous, source:
“But a Republican political strategist with Senate ties is skeptical of knocking off Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) or Patty Murray”
Of course, readers of HA will recall that Goldy has regularly taken one of his fav punching bags, the Seattle Times, to task for their headlines . . .
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headless lucyspews:
Joseph Strauss calls peopele like Cynical useful idiots. By the way, Strauss is a Platonist.
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headless lucyspews:
Republican Political Philosophy:
If you dig a hole deep enough, everyone will want to jump in.
Q: How did Patty Murray increase the national debt when both houses were Republican the entire time?
A: Refer to Hitler’s ‘big lie’ strategery.
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Emmanuel Goldsteinspews:
Since this is open thread, I’d like to use this post to thank our society for the help we have received this summer. My wife has AD and it became very symptomatic this summer. I did the best I could over the summer caring for he 24-7. She began falling, losing her memory, classic AD. I worked off and on for only two or three weeks since May. I must thank my employer for the time off and understanding. But my biggest thanks of all goes to this wonderful liberal society we have.
I finally had to ask for help. I asked for help and nurses, physical therapists, social workers started coming to our house offering help. It was wonderful. I thought I was alone until I asked for help. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Some people think we can go through life as rugged individualists, they need no help from the government and they will give no help to their fellow citizens. It just doesn’t work that way in reality. We must help each other, we can’t do it alone.
Thank you society, you’re wonderful. Please raise my taxes, I’m willing to help, we can’t do it alone.
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Some Republican Dullard (it's satire people!)spews:
I’m sure all you lefties are just thrilled now that your savior has gotten us neck deep in saving his mooslim brothers over in Boxwalla Land.
whoa.. uhh.. Gee I’m voting Republican this November because the best strategy for reducing the deficit is cutting middle class entitlements and lowering taxes on the rich..
Hey all those Republicans in the Senate who refused to extend unemployment benefits to those lazy “99ers” – those guys are my deficit fighting heroes!
Had your hero G.W. Bush actually fought the war in Afghanistan we probably wouldn’t need to be fighting it now and we’d be done with Muslim Pakistan as well.
According to Wikipedia:
Boxwallahs were small-scale travelling merchant peddlers in India
Seeing how they were in India, they were probably Hindu, Muslim.
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Some Republican Dullard (it's satire people!)spews:
@16
What you say may be true, but I’m the white, Christian, conservative, adult, male, in the room so I’m right and I win.
My grandfather died suffering from Alzheimers. Sorry for your personal troubles. My parents, aunts and uncles, cousins, siblings and I were there to help my grandmother through this difficult experience. But not everyone has a geographically or emotionally close family. We were blessed this way.
But a better tag than Emmanuel Goldstein would have been Tomakin. Admittedly the right tends towards Orwells nightmare world. Progressives though will surely bring us to a ‘Brave New World.’ Devoid of moral absolutes or checks on the scientific and academic communities while embracing happiness (well, more accurately a state of satiation of appetite) as the ultimate goal in life typifies liberal thinking. Unable to bear rigor and unable to excel, liberals would take rigor and excellence and treat them as crimes. The individual and his or her possible gifts to society aren’t to be cherished. They are to be made shamefaced at the success their talents brought them, and their property confiscated in judgement.
Yes, indeed. See the link I left in 15 as evidence of how “progressivism” drives otherwise “hard working” people to commit unspeakable acts.
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donspews:
@4
Wrong. Go to the News Tribune website and read about the exchange. Rossi’s campaign claimed that Rossi was confused, but the question was clearly about the subsidies in an upcoming WTO decision concerning Boeing. Even when Murray went on to explain her opposition to the expected WTO ruling, Rossi never corrected himself. Sure Murray attacked him, he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.
Rossi’s campaign spokeswoman, Jennifer Morris, said Rossi wasn’t talking about the Airbus subsidies — just the Boeing subsidies.
So that begs the question: Is Rossi arguing only one set of alleged subsidies should be taken into account, and for some reason the other should be ignored? Or is he saying neither of them should be factored in? So I asked more specifically: Does Rossi think Airbus subsidies should be taken into account? Morris said she’ll ask him.
There you have it, Rossi’s manager doesn’t even know where he stands on the tanker contract. We’ll hear an answer when his Republican handlers tell him what to say.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Re 20
It’s unspeakable to make a claim on your insurance when you suffer a loss?
Following that argument millionaires involved in traffic accidents can’t collect on the insurance, because they are millionaires. Millionaires whose homes are flooded can’t collect, because damnit, they are millionaires.
Your mindless hatred for successful or wealthy people is showing too clearly, YLB.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Re 15
I lost my job 18 months ago in a high unemployment field. Far from sitting on my ass for 2 years bemoaning my fate, I’ve been busier than when I was employed by someone else. I happen to have done a bit better financially than when working for someone else, but that doesn’t matter. I would have worked at less money, because that’s what I was taught men do. They go out, find work, and put food on the table for their families.
My dad lost his construction company in the last big recession in the late 70’s. It was difficult raising 6 children on the work he could get, but he and my mother did. The help they recieved from the government? Not one cent.
Being unemployed for a few months? It happens. Being unemployed for 2 years? This only happens to those who won’t work.
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sargespews:
Times article wrongly depicts Murray ad as false.
The front page of today’s Seattle Times displays the following headling: “Ad wrongly depicts Rossi’s answer on Boeing, Airbus”
No, it doesn’t
Here is the exhange:
News Tribune: “When you say fight for it, and you want a level playing field, I’m not still understanding if you’re saying that that WTO ruling should have a factor in the tanker bid.”
Rossi: “No, not as far as I’m concerned. No.”
From the Seattle Times own reporting:
“[In] an unambiguous ruling against Airbus published Wednesday… The WTO ruled that Airbus received billions in illegal subsidies for every jet program it has launched since it entered the market 40 years ago.”
The WTO ruled Airbus received illegal subsidies. Rossi was asked if the ruling should be a factor in the tanker bid, and Rossi said “no”.
I don’t see the problem.To repeat the question verbatim would be to assume the audience knows that the WTO found that Boeing workers face a disadvantage do to an un-level playing field.
The paraphrasing was accurate and appropriate. If Rossi didn’t understand the question, and/or the WTO ruling, and/or his own answer, that isn’t the Murray campaign’s problem.
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Ann Onnymousspews:
How to look like a dumbass Republican: 1) Use phrases like “ImamObaMao.”
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
ImamObaMao continues to singlehandedly dismantle the Atheist Progressive Bowel Movement– Saturday, October 02, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17.
For the second straight month, the number of Democrats in the nation has fallen to a record low in Rasmussen Reports tracking.
At a time when the Democrats desperately try to save seats, the head jackass continues his daily bleating. ImamObaMao arrogantly still believes he has the messiah powers that got him elected.
WRONG!
The truth is out by his RECORD>
The messiah has no clothese.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
Goldy–
Seems like you are quite unsuccessful in your home state..
Election 2010: Pennsylvania Governor
Pennsylvania Governor: Corbett (R) Reaches Highest Level of Support Yet Against Onorato (D)
Saturday, October 02, 2010
Republican Tom Corbett now holds a 12-point lead over Democrat Dan Onorato in the race for Pennsylvania’s next governor.
The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone of Likely Voters shows Corbett, the state’s attorney general, picking up 53% of the vote. Onorato, Allegheny’s county executive, draws 41% of the vote.
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donspews:
@24
Exactly. If you watch the video of the interview, after Rossi answers, Murray pounces on his answer and contradicts him. At that point, Rossi should have realized that Murray was giving the impression that Rossi was against Boeing, yet Rossi said nothing. He could have corrected the record If he thought his answer was unclear. But then he would have had to admit that he agreed with Murray.
Gee I thought the employer paid the premium. It was obviously the fault of “progressive” philosophy that a “hard working” millionaire would leech off the system.
Imagine that – making a million bucks in a year, getting laid off and collecting a $400/week check.
Vote Republican! It’ll solve all the problems that couldn’t be solved when Bush ran out of time!
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Emmanuel Goldsteinspews:
@19
Thanks for the kind words. I’m sorry your grandmother and grandfather had to go through such a nightmare. It’s so helpful to have loved ones there to rely on.
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Michaelspews:
@31
I overheard a couple of guys talking in a Starbucks in Gig Harbor the other day according to one of them: whatever it was he did for a living there wasn’t much work to be had, he’s underwater on both his house in Gig Harbor and in Palm Springs, underwater on his Porsche, underwater on his wife’s SUV and that Obama’s just killing him!
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Michaelspews:
@31, 34
Meanwhile, I’m working class, I own everything I have outright, don’t even own a credit card, and somehow I’m the enemy for asking that he actually pay is fair share?
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Michaelspews:
@26
When the next election happens and it’s remarkably status quo are you going to shut up and go away?
When the next election happens and it’s remarkably status quo are you going to shut up and go away?
Why should I? We disagree philosophically. So what?? Do you really want to only have discourse with those you agree with?? I think you are better than that. If the R’s don’t control the House or Senate after the Election, they will lose them both in 2012. Obama will have no one to blame and he will lose too.
There will be no November Tea Bagger Revolution.
Not sure what you mean by that? The Tea Party is primarily about stopping deficit spending and smaller, less intrusive government. They are about unleashing America’s entrepreneurial spirit…not being controlled by bloated bureaucracies. That will never go away for many people. The Tea Party has already rejuvenated the Republican Party. Establishment types like Murkowski have been kicked to the curb. You don’t get it Michael. You are only seeing the beginning of a shift in America. Only the beginning. The Tea Party has already won. Their agenda is front & center. The Democrats & Obama chose to ridicule and continue to do so to there own detriment. Your ego won’t allow you to admit the impact. If it doesn’t happen in 2010, it will certainly happen in 2012.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
YLB generally,
I get it. You hate anyone successful. Congratulations.
But I don’t see what this has to do with, well, anything. Your hatred isn’t grounds for public policy. It isn’t binding on the rest of society, or even on all of the left. I know some progressives personally and read some here who don’t feel that financial success is inherently suspect as you do, for instance.
By your statements wealthy people owe more to society, but aren’t allowed to collect even as much as their poorer fellow citizens. They must pay for the food stamps, AFDC, rent subsidies and all the rest. They must pay their share of commonly enjoyed government functions like education and police and that of the poor, though they don’t get any more benefit from such functions than anyone else. And heaven forfend they should collect unemployment to which they are entitled! No, that would be ‘unspeakable,’ though sitting on unemployment for 2 freaking years is just fine if you don’t happen to be wealthy.
I’m really not trying to be rude. But seriously, the simple fact of being wealthy is not a crime. Really.
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Michaelspews:
@38
Why should I? We disagree philosophically. So what??
So what, indeed. You were bugging me earlier. Glad you didn’t take it personally. ;->
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masabaspews:
@39
Lost, you seem to imply that it isn’t right that the rich in America pay for the food stamps of the poor through taxes. Do you think that it is right that the poor pay for the copyright enforcement of the rich through their taxes? I’m just curious. I think that both are okay, for the record. Neither should get out of hand, of course, but both are fine on principle. It’s called civilized society.
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glortspews:
@32
you mean like getting you employed?
how many years has it been?
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glortspews:
@10
goldy’s stretching of truth, lie by omission, and outright lying are straight out of the Goebbels 101 playbook.
you would think a jew would have qualms about idolizing Goebbels, but goldy shows a pattern of reverance for the man instead.
By your statements wealthy people owe more to society, but aren’t allowed to collect even as much as their poorer fellow citizens.
No I’m finally seeing the wisdom of voting Republican – it means you CAN collect a $400/week check to take some of the sting off the very high taxes you’ve had pay that were lowered during the Bush “administration”.
Too bad this country was so taken with Obama. I mean they could have had John McSame as Bush and Sarah Palin just one heartbeat away from that cancer survivor.
John McSame was big fan of “more boots on the ground.” Afghanistan, Iraq – we’d have many more soldiers, equipment, contractors in those places. Any why stop there????
I’m sure he could have thought of more places to deploy troops. There’s no hotspot in the world that couldn’t have been “cooled” a bit with more boots on the ground.
And all of that would have been great for the deficit.
Yes Sir! See how simple it is to vote Republican. Don’t worry! Be happy!
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donspews:
@10, 43
Don’t read very well do you? The quote that Goldy posted from the article says “GOP committee”. A committee is usually made up of quite a few people. He goes on to explain why he feels that $3 million dollars is not enough to topple Murray. So yes, “Republicans skeptical of knocking off Murray” accurately reflects Goldy’s opinion about a committee’s skepticism by spending so little money.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
40. Michael spews:
@38
Why should I? We disagree philosophically. So what??
So what, indeed. You were bugging me earlier. Glad you didn’t take it personally. ;->
I never do….really.
I enjoy debating issues with folks that have an opposing viewpoint. It is truly what makes America great.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
Goldy–
Just got an interesting memo from a Tax Attorney friend of mine outlining ways to avoid the Gates I-1098 tax. The list is long. SJ had posted just a couple of them. Lots of interesting Trust options…as Trusts are NOT taxed..only income received by individuals from the Trust.
You are a stooge Goldy.
If this passes, you will learn the ease with which this Gates Tax can be avoided.
It will lead to quickly lowering the threshold to nail more unsophisticated earners.
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Stevespews:
@23 Shorter Lost – He’s wonderful. You’re not.
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donspews:
@48
Thanks Cyn for pointing out how the rich have rigged the system for their own gain. In two years, politicians will have a more palatable way of dealing with the rich skirting their obligations by closing the loopholes so all citizens pay their fair share.
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livoniusspews:
@50 In two years, politicians will have a more palatable way of dealing with the rich
Ha, ha. More hope and change. Don totally bought into that message during the last election. Of course, a good deal of the Dem base has concluded they were taken for a ride . . . just not Don.
The Republicans have always had the perfect solution for deficits:
Tax cuts. There’s not a single problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts.
Look at how long it took for BP to stop that mess in the Gulf. If they had just gotten one more tax cut it would have been over in just a few days.
And cutting some more regulation. That would helped enormously!
So just vote Republican. They’ll cut taxes and defund regulatory agencies and that’ll balance the budget and clean up any messes from drill baby drill in no time flat!
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worfspews:
Looking at pictures of today’s march in DC, I was struck by some differences between this rally and Beck’s recent Attack on Honor.
1) Liberals are better at spelling, grammar and syntax.
2) The average weight of a liberal is about 50% that of the average teabagger.
3) Liberals don’t carry a lawn chair with them everywhere they go.
4) Liberals are able to smile and act friendly.
5) There are more of us than there are of them, but the conservative media tends to ignore that.
Thank you society, you’re wonderful. Please raise my taxes, I’m willing to help, we can’t do it alone.
Well Emmanuel if the Republicans win, they’ll do their darndest to cut taxes. They certainly aren’t going to raise them.
However, there’s not a Republican alive who’ll block you from sending a check to the Treasury if that’s what you want. But those Republicans will be damned if they let that money flow towards compassionate care for people in tragic circumstances like your wife, bless her soul.
There’s a lot of wars of choice that need to be started and watched on Faux News Channel. That’s top priority for Republicans.
The Huskies of UW, a socialist university based in the the People’s Republic of Seattle have defeated the USC Trojans at the buzzer.
Don’t worry Republicans, November is coming.
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Stevespews:
Bow Down to Washington,
Bow Down to Washington.
Mighty are the men who wear the Purple and the Gold,
Joyfully we welcome them within the Victor’s fold.
We will carve our name in the Hall of Fame,
To preserve the memory of our Devotion.
So, heaven help the foes of Washington,
They’re trembling at the feet of mighty Washington.
Our boys are there with bells,
Their fighting blood excells,
It’s harder to push them over the lines than pass the Dardanelles.
So Victory’s the cry of Washington
Our leather lungs together with a Rah! Rah! Rah!
And o’er the land, the loyal band**
Will sing the glory of Washington forever
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Precisely. We can learn from single payer systems and how horrible they are elswhere.
The inefficiencies and poor care of the British health system is the stuff of their sit-coms. It is assumed that you sit in line all day for a flu diagnosis, or to have a sprain attended to. The loss in productivity alone is staggering, never mind the irritation of sitting in a poorly decorated waiting room reading old magazines for 6 hours.
The only reason Tories haven’t tried to eliminate the system is that it is in fact free for most Britons, if poor in quality. A sizeable voting block whose medical care is paid for by the wealthy is hard to defeat. Hence the oppostion to trying to ruin our medical system by sensible conservative Americans.
….a socialist university based in the the People’s Republic of Seattle”
Are you sure you should be admitting this. You might be banned from Hempfest for letting the cat out of the bag, Ylb.
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Michaelspews:
@56
Maggie Thatcher started the worlds very first needle exchange program for I.V. drugs users. She knew that under the British system the government would have to pickup the cost of all the aids cases including the ones caused by I.V. drug user.
Likewise, a later British government threatened to pass a special tax on some Ford cars as those Fords the top stolen cars in England- because they were easy to steal. The Brits got sick of paying for Ford cheap, laziness, told them to make their cars harder to steal or they’d tax them to cover the cost of the extra police work they were causing. Ford fixed their cars.
Try to tell Ford or any other big company in America that we’re tired of paying their bills for them and you get congressmen on the floor of the house apologizing to the company, multi-million dollar ad campaigns, and righties screaming socialism.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Re 60
So in your world non-drug users are responsible for drug use.
Car manufacturers are responsible for car theft.
US Congressmen would be apologizing to Ford if anything so patently absurd as what happened in the UK happened here because they would owe Ford an apology.
See, in the United States everyone not a liberal believes that people are responsible for their choices, not society. Drug addicts and car thieves aren’t victims. They are folks who made choices and must live with the consequences.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Just so you know-
Ford makes the best trucks in the world. Ford is the only US manufacturer who told the US government to keep their damn money. And Ford is profitable, because they make damned good vehicles.
I bet you drive a foreign car. Some boring Honda or Toyata with no style, and no better build quality than Ford or GM in all likelihood. I cordially invite you to move where to Japan where you send your money.
You might be banned from Hempfest for letting the cat out of the bag, Ylb.
Any such ban would be temporary if non-existent. If California catches a progressive pneumonia over Marijuana the capitalist Republicans will completely take over Hempfest!
Imagine an RJ Reynolds line of filtered marijuana “joints”! Or an exquisite Bali Shag MJ blend.
The Republicans will almost certainly pass a special job-creating, tax cut for this burgeoning, now legitimate industry.
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Michaelspews:
I bet you drive a foreign car.
I drive a Ford Focus.
So in your world non-drug users are responsible for drug use.
No. And I was talking about Maggie Thatcher, not some liberal. She set up those needle exchanges because she understood that they would be the cheapest option in the long run. She was doing the fiscally responsible thing.
Car manufacturers are responsible for car theft.
No, but when one manufacturer of any product is costing the public a bunch more money than all the other manufacturers in their field a fiscally responsible government would hold them responsible for those extra costs.
I cordially invite you to move where to Japan where you send your money.
I buy American every chance I get. I, also, try to stay away from chains and when I do shop at chains I stick with ones like Costco where the workers are paid a living wage and have health insurance. See, when companies don’t provide health insurance or a living wage, the costs involved in that don’t just magically disappear, they get transfered to the rest of society and we pay what should be Target, Wal-mart, and so on’s bills for them.
See, in the United States everyone not a liberal believes that people are responsible for their choices, not society.
You ought to actually meet a liberal some time. I don’t know any that spout the things you say we believe.
See, in the United States everyone not a liberal believes that people are responsible for their choices, not society.
Corporations should also responsible for their choices and they should be held accountable for any harm or inordinate cost that society incurs do to their choices. This doesn’t happen very often in America and it seems to happen a hell of a lot less when the R’s are in charge.
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Michaelspews:
The inefficiencies and poor care of the British health system is the stuff of their sit-coms. It is assumed that you sit in line all day for a flu diagnosis, or to have a sprain attended to.
Which is one of the many reasons why Obama Care isn’t based on a British model.
Next.
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manoftruthspews:
so rick sanchez gets fired just like helen thomas for saying the only thing a liberal can get fired for…the media is run by jews.
although the funny thing is, he didnt say it with specificity, just a rambling kind of people like jon stewart (born liebowitz).
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Micheal,
I owe you an apology and an acknowledgement of something you said that was right.
I just get tired of hearing American cars and anything else made here slammed in favor of foreign makes that are no better. And I over-reacted. Apologies.
As for your consumer habits I agree. The best way to beat Walmart, Target and others that undercut the market by importing poorly products that are often the fruit of industrial spying and stolen design is not to buy there. They depress wages in communities, take from American manufacturing, and impose additional burdens on state services due to their policies. I never shop there, and encourage others not to as often as I can. This isn’t because I’m a liberal, it’s because I recognize what Walmart and stores like them do to communities.
Anyway, sorry for the cheap shot that was also badly aimed apparently.
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lostinaseaofbluespews:
Re 65
Can’t agree with you on Obamacare though.
On the premise that insurance companies are bad for the medical system, we’ve decided that all Americans must purchase insurance. We’ve asked insurance policies to be written in a way (covering pre-existing conditions and so on) that make drastic premium increases or insurance company bankruptcy inevitable. I just don’t see the gain.
Canada has a single payer system that their L&I won’t use it’s so bad. The systems in Italy and the UK are the subject of a whole culture of jokes about how bad they are. I hear from you folks about Germany and Switzerland, but personally know little about either countries medical systems.
So yes, our system is broken. I just think Obamacare is a corporate giveaway that won’t fix it.
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manoftruthspews:
@67 it’s because I recognize what Walmart and stores like them do to communities.
i bet you dont have a problem with steinmart though.
Of course, we all know that the right is full of shit. From D-kos:
The Republican theology about taxes would have you believe there are no Mark Zuckerbergs because of high taxes. You’ll hear them often say, “We cannot punish the job creators.” If the wealthy pay higher taxes, they wont invest in new businesses that create new jobs. Instead of using their money to build and expand, that money will go to a wasteful government that won’t do anybody any good. This sort of thinking dominates policymaking in Washington and New York, and also has managed to get accepted by large sections of the public at large. “I never got a job from a poor man,” they note. It is as if higher taxes will make people like Mr. Zuckerberg suddenly give up on their ambitions and head straight to the soup kitchen, taking all of his employees down with him.
I wonder what sort of businessmen operate like this. Mr. Zuckerberg, for example, in 2004 was staring at a top marginal tax rate of 35 percent, the Bush rate. It seems to me he considered paying that rate of tax would be worth the cost of earning himself almost $7 billion. Does anyone really believe he would not have founded Facebook if the tax rate was 39.6 percent, the Clinton rate? Is that extra 4.6 percent such a huge obstacle to success, that Mr. Zuckerberg would have decided Facebook and its prospects weren’t worth the effort? How about Bill Gates of Microsoft staring at a top rate of 70 percent in 1979? Or perhaps Gordon Moore of Intel starting out with a top rate of 75 percent in 1968? Why did Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard start HP in a garage in 1939 with a top rate of 79 percent and then take the company public in 1957, during which time the top rate rose to 91 percent? 91 percent!
The fact is the idea that tax rates have anything to do with business creation is a myth. Nobody who has a great idea and good prospects is going to not go for it because of tax rates. Even if the tax rate was 100 percent over annual income of $1 billion, it isn’t going to stop someone who has some moxie for going for that $1 billion a year. Lets face it, a billion dollars is a good living. Furthermore, it has almost nothing to do with job creation. American Express surveyed small business this year and found only 18 percent cared about high taxes. Only 8 percent were worried about the federal deficit. When asked “Which of the following would most incent you to hire,” 67 percent of small businesses said more consumer demand or better economic outlook. Only 11 percent said tax credit.
Facts don’t matter to the whack jobs on the right – they just don’t want anyone interfering with their Grand Larceny. The GLP – the Grand Larceny Party.
Look at Carly Fiorina. While at HP she made the tough calls. She offshored 30 thousand jobs. She tanked HP’s stock 50 percent. But HP’s still around isn’t it?
And she got rewarded 21 million dollars for her leadership.
We need more Republicans like Carly Fiorina in the U.S. Senate.
YLB sez everyone will ignore Puddybud's orders - forever spews:
one… two.. three.. snap!
More tax cuts for the rich is a “job creator”.
Gee that wasn’t so hard was it?
I report, you decide!
Mr. Cynical spews:
YLB hasn’t had a job and doesn’t want a job. He wants “rich people” to pay his fair share.
That is what most folks call a “LOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!”
ImamObaMao is now -18 in the Strong Approval Poll. He was +32 post-inauguration.
The more ImamObaMao gets in front of the camera or does stupid interviews with Rolling Stone Mag…the worse it gets for the Dems.
Although you KLOWNS don’t get it…he doesn’t give a shit about his “USEFUL IDIOTS”.
He doesn’t want the Dems to maintain control of the House or Senate.
He just wants to get re-elected in 2012 so he doesn’t go down in history as the worst president…Jimmy Carter II.
You Leftist Pinheaded KLOWNS need to get your heads outta the sand…or whatever deep, dark place your heads may dwell
Mr. Cynical spews:
The Dumbest Senator Ever Murray…busted again by the Times. This time for lying in an ad about Rossi.
She is desperate and desperate people do stupid things. Will this article in the Times help her??
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....le02m.html
lyrrdi spews:
@3
Let’s be very clear what the Murray campaign did:
The ad is based on an exchange last week between Rossi and a News Tribune of Tacoma staff member during an endorsement interview with both Senate candidates.
The ad shows Rossi at the interview and says he was asked, “Should Boeing workers have a level playing field?” The ad then shows him replying, “No, not as far as I’m concerned. No.”
But Rossi was never asked the words shown in the ad. A videotape of the interview shows his answer actually was in response to a convoluted exchange about whether government subsidies to Boeing and its chief competitor should be considered when awarding the contract.
But because the ad substitutes a different question for the one he was asked, we find the ad’s assertion is false.
Funny Goldy NEVER finds these articles given all the time he spends posting on the Seattle Times.
lyrrdi spews:
Meanwhile, you know things have gone from bad to worse when Eleanor Clift capitulates:
Obama’s Failure of Leadership
“I’m loath to admit it, but I think there’s been a failure of leadership in this White House. Why else would a party on the verge of extinction less than two years ago be poised to take over one or perhaps both chambers of Congress?”
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/1.....rship.html
YLB spews:
one.. two.. three.. snap!
Dino Rossi will represent the interests of WA State’s middle class in the U.S. Senate…
Wow – this right wing self-hypnosis is the shitz!
YLB spews:
one.. two.. three.. snap!
“Leadership” means deficit reduction through raising the social security and medicare benefit eligibility age, bringing back rejecting health insurance claims due to pre-existing conditions like acne, taking away health care from kids, giving BP back all the money Obama “shook them down” for, starting another war of choice and giving the rich more tax cuts..
Time to vote Republican in November.
ld spews:
Thank You, I, my family and most of America will Vote Republican this November.
Beckoner spews:
Three Principles of the Fathers,
Property,Self-reliance, and God,
The triune foundations of our Freedom.
Using this, we establish the Republic;
Using this, we advance into a state of total peace.
Oh, you, patriots,
For the Almighty, be the vanguard.
Without resting day or night,
Follow the Principles.
Swear to be diligent; swear to be courageous.
Obliged to be trustworthy; obliged to be loyal.
With one heart and one God,
We carry through until the very end.
Speaking of integrity spews:
@4
Goldy and Murray have much in common. Not a stranger to distortion of the facts himself, here:
http://horsesass.org/?p=30092
Goldy used the headline:
Republicans skeptical of knocking off Murray
when the referenced article actually only mentioned a single, anonyomous, source:
“But a Republican political strategist with Senate ties is skeptical of knocking off Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) or Patty Murray”
Of course, readers of HA will recall that Goldy has regularly taken one of his fav punching bags, the Seattle Times, to task for their headlines . . .
headless lucy spews:
Joseph Strauss calls peopele like Cynical useful idiots. By the way, Strauss is a Platonist.
headless lucy spews:
Republican Political Philosophy:
If you dig a hole deep enough, everyone will want to jump in.
Q: How did Patty Murray increase the national debt when both houses were Republican the entire time?
A: Refer to Hitler’s ‘big lie’ strategery.
Emmanuel Goldstein spews:
Since this is open thread, I’d like to use this post to thank our society for the help we have received this summer. My wife has AD and it became very symptomatic this summer. I did the best I could over the summer caring for he 24-7. She began falling, losing her memory, classic AD. I worked off and on for only two or three weeks since May. I must thank my employer for the time off and understanding. But my biggest thanks of all goes to this wonderful liberal society we have.
I finally had to ask for help. I asked for help and nurses, physical therapists, social workers started coming to our house offering help. It was wonderful. I thought I was alone until I asked for help. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Some people think we can go through life as rugged individualists, they need no help from the government and they will give no help to their fellow citizens. It just doesn’t work that way in reality. We must help each other, we can’t do it alone.
Thank you society, you’re wonderful. Please raise my taxes, I’m willing to help, we can’t do it alone.
Some Republican Dullard (it's satire people!) spews:
I’m sure all you lefties are just thrilled now that your savior has gotten us neck deep in saving his mooslim brothers over in Boxwalla Land.
YLB spews:
one.. two.. three snap!!
whoa.. uhh.. Gee I’m voting Republican this November because the best strategy for reducing the deficit is cutting middle class entitlements and lowering taxes on the rich..
Hey all those Republicans in the Senate who refused to extend unemployment benefits to those lazy “99ers” – those guys are my deficit fighting heroes!
All those shiftless unemployed bums – Get a job!
Michael spews:
@14
Had your hero G.W. Bush actually fought the war in Afghanistan we probably wouldn’t need to be fighting it now and we’d be done with Muslim Pakistan as well.
According to Wikipedia:
Seeing how they were in India, they were probably Hindu, Muslim.
Some Republican Dullard (it's satire people!) spews:
@16
What you say may be true, but I’m the white, Christian, conservative, adult, male, in the room so I’m right and I win.
YLB spews:
8 – Limbaugh would be proud.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
My grandfather died suffering from Alzheimers. Sorry for your personal troubles. My parents, aunts and uncles, cousins, siblings and I were there to help my grandmother through this difficult experience. But not everyone has a geographically or emotionally close family. We were blessed this way.
But a better tag than Emmanuel Goldstein would have been Tomakin. Admittedly the right tends towards Orwells nightmare world. Progressives though will surely bring us to a ‘Brave New World.’ Devoid of moral absolutes or checks on the scientific and academic communities while embracing happiness (well, more accurately a state of satiation of appetite) as the ultimate goal in life typifies liberal thinking. Unable to bear rigor and unable to excel, liberals would take rigor and excellence and treat them as crimes. The individual and his or her possible gifts to society aren’t to be cherished. They are to be made shamefaced at the success their talents brought them, and their property confiscated in judgement.
Oh Brave New Progressive World.
YLB spews:
Yes, indeed. See the link I left in 15 as evidence of how “progressivism” drives otherwise “hard working” people to commit unspeakable acts.
don spews:
@4
Wrong. Go to the News Tribune website and read about the exchange. Rossi’s campaign claimed that Rossi was confused, but the question was clearly about the subsidies in an upcoming WTO decision concerning Boeing. Even when Murray went on to explain her opposition to the expected WTO ruling, Rossi never corrected himself. Sure Murray attacked him, he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.
http://blog.thenewstribune.com.....-backs-off
There you have it, Rossi’s manager doesn’t even know where he stands on the tanker contract. We’ll hear an answer when his Republican handlers tell him what to say.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Re 20
It’s unspeakable to make a claim on your insurance when you suffer a loss?
Following that argument millionaires involved in traffic accidents can’t collect on the insurance, because they are millionaires. Millionaires whose homes are flooded can’t collect, because damnit, they are millionaires.
Your mindless hatred for successful or wealthy people is showing too clearly, YLB.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Re 15
I lost my job 18 months ago in a high unemployment field. Far from sitting on my ass for 2 years bemoaning my fate, I’ve been busier than when I was employed by someone else. I happen to have done a bit better financially than when working for someone else, but that doesn’t matter. I would have worked at less money, because that’s what I was taught men do. They go out, find work, and put food on the table for their families.
My dad lost his construction company in the last big recession in the late 70’s. It was difficult raising 6 children on the work he could get, but he and my mother did. The help they recieved from the government? Not one cent.
Being unemployed for a few months? It happens. Being unemployed for 2 years? This only happens to those who won’t work.
sarge spews:
Times article wrongly depicts Murray ad as false.
The front page of today’s Seattle Times displays the following headling: “Ad wrongly depicts Rossi’s answer on Boeing, Airbus”
No, it doesn’t
Here is the exhange:
From the Seattle Times own reporting:
I don’t see the problem.To repeat the question verbatim would be to assume the audience knows that the WTO found that Boeing workers face a disadvantage do to an un-level playing field.
The paraphrasing was accurate and appropriate. If Rossi didn’t understand the question, and/or the WTO ruling, and/or his own answer, that isn’t the Murray campaign’s problem.
Ann Onnymous spews:
How to look like a dumbass Republican: 1) Use phrases like “ImamObaMao.”
Mr. Cynical spews:
ImamObaMao continues to singlehandedly dismantle the Atheist Progressive Bowel Movement–
Saturday, October 02, 2010
At a time when the Democrats desperately try to save seats, the head jackass continues his daily bleating. ImamObaMao arrogantly still believes he has the messiah powers that got him elected.
WRONG!
The truth is out by his RECORD>
The messiah has no clothese.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Goldy–
Seems like you are quite unsuccessful in your home state..
Election 2010: Pennsylvania Governor
Pennsylvania Governor: Corbett (R) Reaches Highest Level of Support Yet Against Onorato (D)
Saturday, October 02, 2010
don spews:
@24
Exactly. If you watch the video of the interview, after Rossi answers, Murray pounces on his answer and contradicts him. At that point, Rossi should have realized that Murray was giving the impression that Rossi was against Boeing, yet Rossi said nothing. He could have corrected the record If he thought his answer was unclear. But then he would have had to admit that he agreed with Murray.
YLB spews:
Gee I thought the employer paid the premium. It was obviously the fault of “progressive” philosophy that a “hard working” millionaire would leech off the system.
Imagine that – making a million bucks in a year, getting laid off and collecting a $400/week check.
YLB spews:
And by the way, if only we cut the poor millionaire’s taxes that “conservative” counterbalance would have defeated the “progressive” impulse.
Yeah vote Republican – that’s the trick..
YLB spews:
You know that thing most progressives don’t understand is that a million dollars doesn’t buy what it used to back in the day.
That’s why 3000 millionaires collected unemployment benefits.
Even millionaires in these waning days of the Bush era tax cuts have to struggle to make ends meet somehow.
Waning unless you vote Republican in such overwhelming numbers to defeat an Obama veto.
YLB spews:
Vote Republican! It’ll solve all the problems that couldn’t be solved when Bush ran out of time!
Emmanuel Goldstein spews:
@19
Thanks for the kind words. I’m sorry your grandmother and grandfather had to go through such a nightmare. It’s so helpful to have loved ones there to rely on.
Michael spews:
@31
I overheard a couple of guys talking in a Starbucks in Gig Harbor the other day according to one of them: whatever it was he did for a living there wasn’t much work to be had, he’s underwater on both his house in Gig Harbor and in Palm Springs, underwater on his Porsche, underwater on his wife’s SUV and that Obama’s just killing him!
Michael spews:
@31, 34
Meanwhile, I’m working class, I own everything I have outright, don’t even own a credit card, and somehow I’m the enemy for asking that he actually pay is fair share?
Michael spews:
@26
When the next election happens and it’s remarkably status quo are you going to shut up and go away?
There will be no November Tea Bagger Revolution.
spyder spews:
Interesting demographics on the millionaire unemployment collectors: mostly GOP and all during the Bush administration.
Mr. Cynical spews:
36. Michael spews:
Why should I? We disagree philosophically. So what?? Do you really want to only have discourse with those you agree with?? I think you are better than that. If the R’s don’t control the House or Senate after the Election, they will lose them both in 2012. Obama will have no one to blame and he will lose too.
Not sure what you mean by that? The Tea Party is primarily about stopping deficit spending and smaller, less intrusive government. They are about unleashing America’s entrepreneurial spirit…not being controlled by bloated bureaucracies. That will never go away for many people. The Tea Party has already rejuvenated the Republican Party. Establishment types like Murkowski have been kicked to the curb. You don’t get it Michael. You are only seeing the beginning of a shift in America. Only the beginning. The Tea Party has already won. Their agenda is front & center. The Democrats & Obama chose to ridicule and continue to do so to there own detriment. Your ego won’t allow you to admit the impact. If it doesn’t happen in 2010, it will certainly happen in 2012.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
YLB generally,
I get it. You hate anyone successful. Congratulations.
But I don’t see what this has to do with, well, anything. Your hatred isn’t grounds for public policy. It isn’t binding on the rest of society, or even on all of the left. I know some progressives personally and read some here who don’t feel that financial success is inherently suspect as you do, for instance.
By your statements wealthy people owe more to society, but aren’t allowed to collect even as much as their poorer fellow citizens. They must pay for the food stamps, AFDC, rent subsidies and all the rest. They must pay their share of commonly enjoyed government functions like education and police and that of the poor, though they don’t get any more benefit from such functions than anyone else. And heaven forfend they should collect unemployment to which they are entitled! No, that would be ‘unspeakable,’ though sitting on unemployment for 2 freaking years is just fine if you don’t happen to be wealthy.
I’m really not trying to be rude. But seriously, the simple fact of being wealthy is not a crime. Really.
Michael spews:
@38
So what, indeed. You were bugging me earlier. Glad you didn’t take it personally. ;->
masaba spews:
@39
Lost, you seem to imply that it isn’t right that the rich in America pay for the food stamps of the poor through taxes. Do you think that it is right that the poor pay for the copyright enforcement of the rich through their taxes? I’m just curious. I think that both are okay, for the record. Neither should get out of hand, of course, but both are fine on principle. It’s called civilized society.
glort spews:
@32
you mean like getting you employed?
how many years has it been?
glort spews:
@10
goldy’s stretching of truth, lie by omission, and outright lying are straight out of the Goebbels 101 playbook.
you would think a jew would have qualms about idolizing Goebbels, but goldy shows a pattern of reverance for the man instead.
goldy is a good pupil.
YLB spews:
No I’m finally seeing the wisdom of voting Republican – it means you CAN collect a $400/week check to take some of the sting off the very high taxes you’ve had pay that were lowered during the Bush “administration”.
Just because you can!
YLB spews:
Too bad this country was so taken with Obama. I mean they could have had John McSame as Bush and Sarah Palin just one heartbeat away from that cancer survivor.
John McSame was big fan of “more boots on the ground.” Afghanistan, Iraq – we’d have many more soldiers, equipment, contractors in those places. Any why stop there????
I’m sure he could have thought of more places to deploy troops. There’s no hotspot in the world that couldn’t have been “cooled” a bit with more boots on the ground.
And all of that would have been great for the deficit.
Yes Sir! See how simple it is to vote Republican. Don’t worry! Be happy!
don spews:
@10, 43
Don’t read very well do you? The quote that Goldy posted from the article says “GOP committee”. A committee is usually made up of quite a few people. He goes on to explain why he feels that $3 million dollars is not enough to topple Murray. So yes, “Republicans skeptical of knocking off Murray” accurately reflects Goldy’s opinion about a committee’s skepticism by spending so little money.
Mr. Cynical spews:
40. Michael spews:
I never do….really.
I enjoy debating issues with folks that have an opposing viewpoint. It is truly what makes America great.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Goldy–
Just got an interesting memo from a Tax Attorney friend of mine outlining ways to avoid the Gates I-1098 tax. The list is long. SJ had posted just a couple of them. Lots of interesting Trust options…as Trusts are NOT taxed..only income received by individuals from the Trust.
You are a stooge Goldy.
If this passes, you will learn the ease with which this Gates Tax can be avoided.
It will lead to quickly lowering the threshold to nail more unsophisticated earners.
Steve spews:
@23 Shorter Lost – He’s wonderful. You’re not.
don spews:
@48
Thanks Cyn for pointing out how the rich have rigged the system for their own gain. In two years, politicians will have a more palatable way of dealing with the rich skirting their obligations by closing the loopholes so all citizens pay their fair share.
livonius spews:
@50 In two years, politicians will have a more palatable way of dealing with the rich
Ha, ha. More hope and change. Don totally bought into that message during the last election. Of course, a good deal of the Dem base has concluded they were taken for a ride . . . just not Don.
YLB spews:
Dems should just give up and vote Republican.
The Republicans have always had the perfect solution for deficits:
Tax cuts. There’s not a single problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts.
Look at how long it took for BP to stop that mess in the Gulf. If they had just gotten one more tax cut it would have been over in just a few days.
And cutting some more regulation. That would helped enormously!
So just vote Republican. They’ll cut taxes and defund regulatory agencies and that’ll balance the budget and clean up any messes from drill baby drill in no time flat!
worf spews:
Looking at pictures of today’s march in DC, I was struck by some differences between this rally and Beck’s recent Attack on Honor.
1) Liberals are better at spelling, grammar and syntax.
2) The average weight of a liberal is about 50% that of the average teabagger.
3) Liberals don’t carry a lawn chair with them everywhere they go.
4) Liberals are able to smile and act friendly.
5) There are more of us than there are of them, but the conservative media tends to ignore that.
YLB spews:
The primary lesson that progressives should learn from the coming Republican wave in November:
Keep your grubby socialist hands off a tea party or Republican voter’s Social Security and Medicare.
YLB spews:
Well Emmanuel if the Republicans win, they’ll do their darndest to cut taxes. They certainly aren’t going to raise them.
However, there’s not a Republican alive who’ll block you from sending a check to the Treasury if that’s what you want. But those Republicans will be damned if they let that money flow towards compassionate care for people in tragic circumstances like your wife, bless her soul.
There’s a lot of wars of choice that need to be started and watched on Faux News Channel. That’s top priority for Republicans.
That leads to lower deficits. Didn’t you hear?
YLB spews:
You know the Republicans can learn a thing or two about abolishing a socialist health care system from the Tories in the UK.
Those Tories have had quite a head start on abolishing that socialized medicine system of their country.
They’ll finish the job Maggie Thatcher started.
YLB spews:
WA State Republicans must be very sad right now.
The Huskies of UW, a socialist university based in the the People’s Republic of Seattle have defeated the USC Trojans at the buzzer.
Don’t worry Republicans, November is coming.
Steve spews:
Bow Down to Washington,
Bow Down to Washington.
Mighty are the men who wear the Purple and the Gold,
Joyfully we welcome them within the Victor’s fold.
We will carve our name in the Hall of Fame,
To preserve the memory of our Devotion.
So, heaven help the foes of Washington,
They’re trembling at the feet of mighty Washington.
Our boys are there with bells,
Their fighting blood excells,
It’s harder to push them over the lines than pass the Dardanelles.
So Victory’s the cry of Washington
Our leather lungs together with a Rah! Rah! Rah!
And o’er the land, the loyal band**
Will sing the glory of Washington forever
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Precisely. We can learn from single payer systems and how horrible they are elswhere.
The inefficiencies and poor care of the British health system is the stuff of their sit-coms. It is assumed that you sit in line all day for a flu diagnosis, or to have a sprain attended to. The loss in productivity alone is staggering, never mind the irritation of sitting in a poorly decorated waiting room reading old magazines for 6 hours.
The only reason Tories haven’t tried to eliminate the system is that it is in fact free for most Britons, if poor in quality. A sizeable voting block whose medical care is paid for by the wealthy is hard to defeat. Hence the oppostion to trying to ruin our medical system by sensible conservative Americans.
….a socialist university based in the the People’s Republic of Seattle”
Are you sure you should be admitting this. You might be banned from Hempfest for letting the cat out of the bag, Ylb.
Michael spews:
@56
Maggie Thatcher started the worlds very first needle exchange program for I.V. drugs users. She knew that under the British system the government would have to pickup the cost of all the aids cases including the ones caused by I.V. drug user.
Likewise, a later British government threatened to pass a special tax on some Ford cars as those Fords the top stolen cars in England- because they were easy to steal. The Brits got sick of paying for Ford cheap, laziness, told them to make their cars harder to steal or they’d tax them to cover the cost of the extra police work they were causing. Ford fixed their cars.
Try to tell Ford or any other big company in America that we’re tired of paying their bills for them and you get congressmen on the floor of the house apologizing to the company, multi-million dollar ad campaigns, and righties screaming socialism.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Re 60
So in your world non-drug users are responsible for drug use.
Car manufacturers are responsible for car theft.
US Congressmen would be apologizing to Ford if anything so patently absurd as what happened in the UK happened here because they would owe Ford an apology.
See, in the United States everyone not a liberal believes that people are responsible for their choices, not society. Drug addicts and car thieves aren’t victims. They are folks who made choices and must live with the consequences.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Just so you know-
Ford makes the best trucks in the world. Ford is the only US manufacturer who told the US government to keep their damn money. And Ford is profitable, because they make damned good vehicles.
I bet you drive a foreign car. Some boring Honda or Toyata with no style, and no better build quality than Ford or GM in all likelihood. I cordially invite you to move where to Japan where you send your money.
YLB sez everyone will ignore Puddybud's orders - forever spews:
Any such ban would be temporary if non-existent. If California catches a progressive pneumonia over Marijuana the capitalist Republicans will completely take over Hempfest!
Imagine an RJ Reynolds line of filtered marijuana “joints”! Or an exquisite Bali Shag MJ blend.
The Republicans will almost certainly pass a special job-creating, tax cut for this burgeoning, now legitimate industry.
Michael spews:
I drive a Ford Focus.
No. And I was talking about Maggie Thatcher, not some liberal. She set up those needle exchanges because she understood that they would be the cheapest option in the long run. She was doing the fiscally responsible thing.
No, but when one manufacturer of any product is costing the public a bunch more money than all the other manufacturers in their field a fiscally responsible government would hold them responsible for those extra costs.
I buy American every chance I get. I, also, try to stay away from chains and when I do shop at chains I stick with ones like Costco where the workers are paid a living wage and have health insurance. See, when companies don’t provide health insurance or a living wage, the costs involved in that don’t just magically disappear, they get transfered to the rest of society and we pay what should be Target, Wal-mart, and so on’s bills for them.
You ought to actually meet a liberal some time. I don’t know any that spout the things you say we believe.
Corporations should also responsible for their choices and they should be held accountable for any harm or inordinate cost that society incurs do to their choices. This doesn’t happen very often in America and it seems to happen a hell of a lot less when the R’s are in charge.
Michael spews:
Which is one of the many reasons why Obama Care isn’t based on a British model.
Next.
manoftruth spews:
so rick sanchez gets fired just like helen thomas for saying the only thing a liberal can get fired for…the media is run by jews.
although the funny thing is, he didnt say it with specificity, just a rambling kind of people like jon stewart (born liebowitz).
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Micheal,
I owe you an apology and an acknowledgement of something you said that was right.
I just get tired of hearing American cars and anything else made here slammed in favor of foreign makes that are no better. And I over-reacted. Apologies.
As for your consumer habits I agree. The best way to beat Walmart, Target and others that undercut the market by importing poorly products that are often the fruit of industrial spying and stolen design is not to buy there. They depress wages in communities, take from American manufacturing, and impose additional burdens on state services due to their policies. I never shop there, and encourage others not to as often as I can. This isn’t because I’m a liberal, it’s because I recognize what Walmart and stores like them do to communities.
Anyway, sorry for the cheap shot that was also badly aimed apparently.
lostinaseaofblue spews:
Re 65
Can’t agree with you on Obamacare though.
On the premise that insurance companies are bad for the medical system, we’ve decided that all Americans must purchase insurance. We’ve asked insurance policies to be written in a way (covering pre-existing conditions and so on) that make drastic premium increases or insurance company bankruptcy inevitable. I just don’t see the gain.
Canada has a single payer system that their L&I won’t use it’s so bad. The systems in Italy and the UK are the subject of a whole culture of jokes about how bad they are. I hear from you folks about Germany and Switzerland, but personally know little about either countries medical systems.
So yes, our system is broken. I just think Obamacare is a corporate giveaway that won’t fix it.
manoftruth spews:
@67
it’s because I recognize what Walmart and stores like them do to communities.
i bet you dont have a problem with steinmart though.
YLB spews:
Voting Republican means making the tough calls.
It means being resolute about what must be done.
e.g.: For the sake of the future of the American economy we cannot stand in the way of offshoring more jobs.
YLB spews:
Geez. Will anyone on the left or right have much of a problem with these Democratic seats being taken by Republicans in November?
http://www.house.gov/melancon/.....0Page.html
I won’t. In all seriousness.
worf spews:
Of course, we all know that the right is full of shit. From D-kos:
Facts don’t matter to the whack jobs on the right – they just don’t want anyone interfering with their Grand Larceny. The GLP – the Grand Larceny Party.
YLB spews:
Look at Carly Fiorina. While at HP she made the tough calls. She offshored 30 thousand jobs. She tanked HP’s stock 50 percent. But HP’s still around isn’t it?
And she got rewarded 21 million dollars for her leadership.
We need more Republicans like Carly Fiorina in the U.S. Senate.
YLB spews:
Look at Meg Whitman!
She’s injected at least 100 million dollars of her own money through her campaign for Governor into the California economy when it needed it the most!
She employed a deperately poor undocumented immigrant for 9 years! Until it became a political liability anyway. Such amazing compassion!
California needs a Republican like Meg Whitman to lead California into the future from the Governor’s office.
livonius spews:
@72 Of course, we all know that the right is full of shit. From D-kos
Ha, ha. Now that’s really swift, worf, use D-Kos as a reference to show the right is full of shit.
Goldy, these potted plants would look better on your window sill.