Open Thread 4/30

- Yes, it’s an event where vile war criminals like Henry Kissinger are feted and celebrated, but you know where else vile war criminals like Henry Kissinger are celebrated? Literally everywhere they go. The Correspondents’ Dinner is just an awkward roast preceded and followed by depressing parties.

- Screwed straight

- Well, it’s nice to see a few people in the beltway calling them out. But it’s been true for decades that the GOP is the problem.

- The Real McKenna.

- Maple Leaf is getting itself a brand-new art walk

- I denied involvement, so the whistleblower must be lying!

Comments

  1. 1

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    In this election year it in incumbent upon those of us who know to kindly, but aggressively inform those who are too busy trying just to make ends meet that the GOP is the problem.

    Whether it be McMorris Rodgers attacking women;
    Whether it be Rmoney pushing the same policies that pushed the world into global depression and economic collapse:
    Whether it be McKenna trying to pass himself off as something he is not;
    etc, etc, etc …

    Nixon looks like a piker compared to today’s lying, cheating and stealing GOP. Don’t let your neighbors forget that.

  2. 3

    Bob spews:

    @ 1

    You would think in this election year your ilk could point to solid accomplishment rather than reverting to making the electorate afraid of your opposition through distortion and deception.

    Of course, you make do with what you can, so go ahead and smear Mormonism and play class warfare. It beats defending your side’s real record.

  3. 5

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    electorate afraid of your opposition through distortion and deception.

    Pot, meet kettle. The Republican brand has always been about fear, fear of ‘other’, whatever ‘other’ is most convenient and easily made scapegoat.

    smear Mormonism

    I don’t see anything in post #1 about Mormonism.

    play class warfare

    That’s getting a bit threadbare, doncha think? As others have said, the ‘thugs only call it ‘class warfare’ when the have-nots fight back. It’s been class warfare from the get-go, with the class with the power/money waging warfare, and stealing from, and exploiting, everybody else. Damn straight we’re going to yell that from the rooftops.

  4. 6

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @4

    We were waiting for 7 years – SEVEN – for GWB to kill bin Laden, and yes, had he done that, I am confident people here would have cheered.

    Add that to the list of dismal failures of the last Republican president.

  5. 7

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @4

    BTW, the ONLY reason that we invaded Iraq was for domestic political advantage. The ONLY reason.
    It was used as both a money trough for connected corporations, and as a political cudgel used by Rove/Shrub to undercut domestic opposition with the whole “War President ™” fiction.

  6. 8

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    kill an unarmed man

    Are you defending bin Laden?

  7. 10

    Bob spews:

    @8

    Not at all. Glad he’s gone.

    I’m just pointing out a sort of sliding scale that seems to benefit our resident Commander in Nobel Peace Prize winner Chief.

    I wonder if Sandy Berger is glad OBL is gone.

  8. 11

    Bob spews:

    How stupid is that ‘gutsy call’ crap, and the lame-ass efforts over the weekend to suggest Romney wouldn’t have order the operation on OBL?

    This stupid:

    ZekeJMiller RT @EmilyABC: Romney on if he’d go after bin Laden: “Even Jimmy Carter would have would have given that order”

    Memo to Dem strategists: Any idea that results in an opportunity for Romney to compare Obama to Carter is a BAD idea.

  9. 12

    spews:

    I wonder how many HA types, in 2008, would have cheered a president for going into a foreign country to kill an unarmed man, and then repeatedly using that to political advantage?

    Anwar al Awlaki??? An american citizen even.. Considered quite a heinous crime by many people. Myself included.

    But then I wonder how many right wing types would crow all the way to November that Obama did not retaliate for the “terrorist attack” by the crazy Army major shrink who had communicated with al Awlaki.

    The silence from the Cheney types, the Krauthammers, the Boltons, yadda yadda is quite deafening in that regard.

    Advantage Obama.

  10. 13

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @9, @10
    That’s all you got? Whining that BHO got OBL when GWB couldn’t?

    pfft.

    You trolls are pathetic.

    Osama bin Laden is dead. General Motors is alive. I love the sound of that.

  11. 14

    spews:

    While the subject is RMoney’s judgement I seem to recall he would have allowed GM and Chrysler to “go through the bankruptcy process”..

    Count Rick Snyder’s Michigan in Obama’s pocket.

    Disadvantage Nugent.

  12. 15

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @3 Bob
    You would think in this election year your ilk could point to solid accomplishment…

    You want Democratic accomplishments?
    There’s a long list, and, of course, they should be talked about.
    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009
    End of 9 year war in Iraq
    The greatest Recession since WW2 Ended
    Affordable Care Act
    Bin Laden – DEAD.
    GM, Chrysler & Ford – all profitable for the first time in 10 years.

    And there’s more.

    Regarding Mormons, whether or not I agree with their practice of religion our constitution grants all the right to practice any religion to anyone.

    Perhaps before you tut-tut anyone else for smearing someone else you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

  13. 16

    Bob spews:

    @14:

    Er…..

    Wouldn’t GM be alive if an orderly, traditional bankruptcy process had been permitted?

    The major difference would have been that bondholders would not have been as badly screwed, and that the UAW would have been forced to make major concessions.

    It’s not like there would be no GM. The current ownership structure would be different.

  14. 17

    Bob spews:

    @ 15

    Ledbetter – Fine. Kudos.
    Iraq war end. Beginning to wind down with initial agreements to withdraw under Bush. Continued under Obama. I suppose you also consider the perpetuation and expansion of Afghanistan war an Obama accomplishment, for the same reason – it’s a continuation. Right?
    End of recession. Er, all recessions end. Not really an accomplishment.
    ACA – All Dems. Your ilk owns it. Your ilk will be hung with it.
    OBL dead – Noted. Does it warrant four more years?
    GM, Chrysler profitable – Their debt obligations were largely stripped from them. Eliminating a company’s liabilities through force doesn’t give you the right to crow about the resulting profitability. Bondholders, dealers, and many other entities got the shaft. Don’t forget the favorable, and unusual, tax treatment they have been given by the IRS. The same things Roger Rabbit criticized GE over – no taxes paid last tax year because of tax-loss carry-forwards – will benefit GM and Chrysler for years to come.
    Ford profitable – Exactly how is this an Obama accomplishment?

  15. 18

    spews:

    the UAW would have been forced to make major concessions.

    Right on top of the ones they’d made for years. Wow! A classic right wing play.

    Force the workers in states like Michigan to cave yet again so workers in right to workget screwed states can slave for even LOWER wages.

    Uhhhh. F that..

  16. 21

    spews:

    Wouldn’t GM be alive if an orderly, traditional bankruptcy process had been permitted?

    Maybe but the fallout effects on GM’s supply chain would have meant the “cure”, in this case the bankruptcy process, being worse than the disease.

  17. 22

    spews:

    he DID have so many other accomplishments last week.

    Any week enduring the pig-headedness and malice of today’s right wing is a week worth celebrating.

  18. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @3 We don’t have to defend our side’s record. It’s sufficient to point out your side’s record.

  19. 25

    Bob spews:

    @ 21

    That was the ‘fear’, and it was part of what drove, say, GE’s stock price to $3 and Citigroup’s to $1 when fears were greatest.

    TARP was a(n effective, in my opinion) huge slush fund, that was perverted to fund GM and Chrysler through all of this. That fund could have been used to support the supply chain through a traditional bankruptcy, instead of to essentially prevent UAW from having to submit to forced contract restructuring.

    GM might be ‘profitable’ but the US government is still holding shares at a huge loss. Chrysler might be ‘profitable’ but it was handed to a foreign corporation for a song in the process.

    The loans the companies trumpeted that they paid off were paid off by new loans at more favorable terms.

    I will stipulate that it might have been worse if you will stipulate that the ‘profits’ are false and are due to debt being stripped away and the government taking a huge loss on the whole thing. $54Billion dumped in to a losing operation can create an impresssion that things aren’t as bad as they otherwise would look.

    YLB, you were right about the guy last night. Assholish, bigoted comment.

  20. 26

    Bob spews:

    @ 23

    Please, keep that opinion, that you don’t have to defend what you have done for the past three years. My side is counting on it.

  21. 28

    spews:

    YLB, you were right about the guy last night. Assholish, bigoted comment.

    Well thanks for that Bob! It’s refreshing to see a guy on the right call it the way it should be called. That moron has plied his ignorant trade here since Sept 2009 and shows no signs of stopping. It makes him FEEEEL good.

    I’ll honor that by not crowing about it.

  22. 30

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    smear Mormonism and play class warfare.

    Nobody in this thread is attacking Mormonism. YOU are the only one bringing it up.

    America will be strongest with a strong vibrant middle class. If you want to call that “Class Warfare”, that is your choice.

  23. 32

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Dan Savage calling bible-thumping gay-haters “pansy-ass”. Brilliant.

    All those poor widdle sensitive Chrisianist chillins walking out – a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  24. 34

    Bob spews:

    @ 30 Regarding, Mormonism, check out a certain governor from Montana’s recent comments. Check out nearly every word out of Lawrence O’Donnell’s mouth. I didn’t say it was here. But I’m sure it will be.
    If I recall correctly, Obama himself alluded to class warfare and said he was willing to go there (looked for the quote but it’s eluding me right now).

    @ 31 Sure, I think workers should be able to unionize. And I think that, in response, an employer should have the ability to move to a right-to-work state of offshore, if that makes more sense than dealing with a union. It’s expensive for a company to move and it’s expensive for a union to lose work by acting too militantly and seeing the work go elsewhere. Mutual incentive to work together. What a concept.

  25. 35

    Bob spews:

    @ 33

    Barack Obama in Nelsonville yesterday (as reported in the Dayton Daily News), deflecting internet rumor-mongering about him secretly believing in Islam:
    “Here are the simple facts,” Obama said. “I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I have been a member of the same church for 20 years. I pray to Jesus every night.”

    I didn’t say it. President Nightly Bullshit said it.

  26. 36

    Zotz sez: Are there no FEMA camps? Then, let them die and decrease the surplus population! spews:

    @30: Don’t be too sure. RMoney’s religion is fair game.

    Mormonism pegs the religious ridiculousness meter, I know, I was raised one.

    But, fortunately for you, you just have to google a little bit.

    In addition to having batshit crazy dogma, Mormonism goes hand-in-hand with predatory capitalism, e.g., Mormons are dominionists’ dominionists.

    Folks should understand that when they vote.

  27. 37

    Zotz sez: Are there no FEMA camps? Then, let them die and decrease the surplus population! spews:

    Cracking the code:

    When Rs (and the infantile fascist morons who infest this place) speak, they are almost always projecting.

  28. 39

    spews:

    The attack on unions and working people by the right wing is unrelenting. Whenever you think they’ve gone too far they double, triple, quadruple down.

    Case in point: John F’ing Carlson.

    Just heard on his show today that the “dysfunctional” state of the Seattle Public Schools has scared away the Seattle Times pick for Superintendent. SPS is “scary” of course because of the teacher’s union.

    He then says the average salary of a Seattle School Teacher is 72k which is 10k higher than average for all school teachers in WA.

    WTF does he get this?

    The he defines “progressives” as “supporters of the status quo” meaning of course true progress as being no unions and lower wages.

    Then he said some “progressives” in Seattle are “pushing back” by supporting Charter schools!

    Yikes! This guy Carlson says he’s a product of the Seattle Public School system. WTF does that say? Never knew a right winger around here who didn’t stoop to spewing insults about people who attended public schools. Poor John F’ing Carlson.

  29. 40

    Bob spews:

    Remember when following the money (SWIFT) as a means of tracking terrorists was Baaaaadddddddd?????????

    Just going in and blowing them up, maybe taking a few civilians with (or instead of) them? Maybe without host country cooperation? Hey, no big deal:

    AP: WASHINGTON —
    White House counterterrorism official John Brennan has publicly acknowledged the covert practice of drone strikes against al-Qaida targets, the first time the Obama administration has described the widely known practice in detail.

  30. 41

    Bob spews:

    @ 39

    I read somewhere that it’s been the micromanaging school board that’s been the problem.

    Although a guy who’s 63? How long did they really expect him to stick around in that pressure-cooker?

  31. 42

    spews:

    3. Bob spews:

    @ 1

    You would think in this election year your ilk could point to solid accomplishment rather than reverting to making the electorate afraid of your opposition through distortion and deception.

    Of course, you make do with what you can, so go ahead and smear Mormonism and play class warfare. It beats defending your side’s real record.

    04/30/2012 at 8:33 am

    Fuck you, asshole…

    “Bin Laden is dead…GM is alive.”

    Any other questions, or is that too complicated for you?

  32. 43

    Bob spews:

    @ 42

    Here’s Rujax again, just in time to:

    1. Once again prove he’s a charter member of the Blow Jobs for Obama fluffer list.
    2. Restate someone else’s @13 point, because he has nothing to offer himself.

    Way to add to the conversation, sycophant. Next time try having an original thought.

  33. 45

    Bob spews:

    @ 44

    More of that quick wit and originality, I see. How fortunate we are to have you contributing. Maybe come back and check in after you have perused the daily Obama talking points.

  34. 46

    Steve spews:

    @37 “When Rs (and the infantile fascist morons who infest this place) speak, they are almost always projecting.”

    It’s a Psych 101 thing. There was a time when it was fascinating stuff to witness the constant stream of projection spewed forth by wingnuts. Now I wish they’d all just STFU and move to Somalia.

  35. 47

    spews:

    45. Bob spews:

    @ 44

    More of that quick wit and originality, I see. How fortunate we are to have you contributing. Maybe come back and check in after you have perused the daily Obama talking points.

    04/30/2012 at 12:04 pm

    As opposed to “Bob’s” obsequious regurgitation of Rove/Fehrnstrom/O’lielly/Hannity/Limbaugh/Monson/Carlson talking points…

    …sure asshole, whatever.

  36. 48

    Bob spews:

    WaPo, today:


    Ex-CIA counterterror chief says Pelosi ‘reinventing the truth’ about waterboarding

    In an explosive memoir released today, former CIA counterterrorism chief Jose Rodriguez provides new evidence that Rep. Nancy Pelosi lied when she declared she had not been briefed about the use of waterboarding.

    Seems a lot that used to be problematic for the Dems is now OK as standard operating procedure, now that their guy is the one doing it.

  37. 49

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @ 34 Sure, I think workers should be able to unionize.
    >> A good starting point for discussion.

    And I think that, in response, an employer should have the ability to move to a right-to-work state of offshore, if that makes more sense than dealing with a union.
    >> So unions can exist, so long as they don’t try to do anything that effects profits, like ask for pay increases or improved working conditions and benefits. Or did I misunderstand you?

    >> Going a level deeper, isn’t that a problem with capitalism? Corporations are required by their charters to maximize shareholder profits and only that. I have heard of public corps being sued for being too charitable.
    >> One of the purposes of Government is to counter the power of a corporation and enact laws and regulations so it’s NOT as cost effective to pollute, or cheat and rip off customers and workers, or ship jobs to right-to-work state of offshore if the workers want to be paid a living wage.

    Mutual incentive to work together. What a concept.
    >> I agree. I wished more of the corporations would do it. Look at Costco. They are criticized by wall street for paying their workers too much, and they have unions. Would it kill Wallmart to do that, or would it just be less profitable?

  38. 50

    rhp6033 spews:

    The GOP knows it’s in trouble on the killing of Osama Bin Ladden. So trot out Karl Rove, who’s an expert at trying to deflect his opponants stong points through mis-direction, false equivilencies, and (on occassion) outright lies.

    So Bush II was getting as much political milage as possible with respect to the war against Iraq, rallying his base, emphasizing patriotism and discouraging criticism as dissent, etc. His plan was to to leverage that into sufficient political power to go after the ultimate GOP door prize: privatize Social Security, turning over it’s assets into the hands of Wall Street money-managers.

    But then news broke that the Bush II reputation was a bit tarnished in this ragard. The summer briefing at Bush’s ramp, when he was warned that a major terrorist attack by Al Quida would take place on U.S. soil, had been dismissed and ignored by Bush. And CIA arms-control experts pointed out that Bush’s claims of Iraq’s attempts to acquire WMD’s were completely false.

    Rove & Co. (including Cheney) reponded by attacking Clinton, saying his administration had missed oportunities to kill Osama Bin Laden in 1998-99. It attacked Valery Plame by outing her as a CIA agent (a criminal act) and blaming her husband for the misleading info on African uranium shipments (an outright lie).

    In the meantime, Bush tried to get as much political milage out of the war as possible. His famous “Mission Accomplished” arrival on the aircraft carrier, with the banner behind him as he spoke, was the highlight. But the war deteriorated into gurrilla warfare and religious conflict using IEDs and terror. Al Quida had NOT been in Iraq, but how had grown there in the vacume created by the fall of Saddam Hussein.

    In the meantime, Afganistan had deteriorated as the Talliban used bases in Pakistan to establish new inroads into Afganistan, but Bush said that he “doesn’t spend much time thinking about” Osama Bin Laden.

    Now that Osama Bin Laden has actually been killed under Pres. Obama’s administration, Rove & Co. have to find some way to distract attention from Pres. Obama’s success, and defend their own failure.

    So Karl Rove & Co. are attacking Pres. Obama, saying that he is “politicizing” the death of Bin Laden. His hope is that Pres. Obama will be afraid to keep bringing up the subject. But the claim is laughable, considering Bush & Co.’s politicization of the hunt for Bin Laden and Al Quida across Afganistan and Iraq, and the “Mission Accomplished” banner.

    So what should we do? We should make them a laughingstock every time they try to bring up such a ridiculous claim. We should make THEM afraid to bring it up.

  39. 51

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    48. Bob, bob, bob,
    Context is everything.

    1st, where is the link?

    2nd. Which is worse, that bush authorized waterboarding, or that Pelosi said she had not been briefed about it. The first is worse by a couple of factors.

    3rd. What was the context? WHEN was this, during the bush admin? If she said she had been breifed about it, would she have giving away national secrets? Would she have been breaking th law, and was not ALLOWED to admit, at the time, that she knew? If only you had the skills to post a link.
    All you are doing is trying to spread FUD.

    “that their guy is the one doing it.?”
    Obama is not authorizing waterboarding. America is better than that. If it turns out, he authorized more of it, I will the first to help primary him out and get another democrat in his place.

    Your attempt at a false equivalency doesn’t work. The republicans ARE worst than Democrats.

  40. 52

    Bob spews:

    @ 51:

    Link is here (I guess by saying WaPo today I was being vague – you might have had to click a couple of times):

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

    No, it’s not giving away national secrets. Executive branch and GOP congressional reps present said they were briefed. Pelosi claimed it didn’t happen.

    @ 49

    Not sure where to start. All those reasons government exists, and none of them are in the US Constitution. Probably not the state one, either, although I haven’t read that. Are those reasons next to the rights to privacy and to dismember babies that would be viable outside the womb before pulling them out of the uterus?

    Unions have a right to exist. To the extent they decide to act like assholes, they do so at their peril. For corporations, same thing. Which is where I came up with ‘mutual incentive to work together’. No need to distort my words. We disagree, that’s clear. Let it stand on its own.

  41. 53

    spews:

    @52…

    Not sure where to start. All those reasons government exists, and none of them are in the US Constitution. Probably not the state one, either, although I haven’t read that. ?

    It’s the “General Welfare clause of the US Constitution dumb fuck.

    Are those reasons next to the rights to privacy and to dismember babies that would be viable outside the womb before pulling them out of the uterus.

    Of course “Bob” here has been pregnant and brought babies to term…so he knows EXACTLY what women go through…in addition to being a well-known bio-ethicist.

    Sure asshole…whatever.

  42. 54

    spews:

    Unions have a right to exist. To the extent they decide to act like assholes, they do so at their peril. For corporations, same thing. Which is where I came up with ‘mutual incentive to work together’. No need to distort my words. We disagree, that’s clear. Let it stand on its own.

    …and an erudite labor management historian. Like Newt Gingrich, maybe.

    Who knew?

  43. 55

    Bob spews:

    @ 53

    An original thought and useful contribution from you. Who knew?

    Arguable. If the General Welfare clause could be expanded that broadly, wouldn’t Obama’s Solicitor General have used it to defend ACA? He sure didn’t fare well with the approach he chose, anyway.

  44. 57

    spews:

    Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

    It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted.

    Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

  45. 58

    spews:

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo......hp?ref=fpb

    TPM2012

    Obama Needles Romney On Old Bin Laden Quotes

    Benjy Sarlin-April 30, 2012, 3:01 PM

    President Obama is doubling down on his campaign’s effort to sow doubts about whether Mitt Romney would have made the call to take out Osama bin Laden, indicating Monday that Romney’s own quotes on the issue from the previous election make it fair game.

    “I just recommend that everybody take a look at people’s previous statements in terms of what they thought was appropriate to go into Pakistan and take out bin Laden,” Obama said at a press conference in the White House. “I assume that people meant what they said when they said it. If there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they would do something else, then I would go ahead and let them explain it.”

    Dunk in the face.

  46. 59

    spews:

    If I found myself in TN I’d make it my life focus to get the freak out:

    The Tennessee Legislature on Friday sent a bill to Gov. Bill Haslam’s desk that, according to the Tennessean, would require sex-ed classes to “exclusively and emphatically” promote abstinence and ban teachers and outside groups from promoting “gateway sexual activity.”

    Those “accidental” grazes, those longing stares, those whatever!

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....fpnewsfeed

  47. 62

    spews:

    Ooops there I go again! Ranting about the failures of abstinence education in southern states..

    That equates to making “well documented remarks about southern blacks” to certain right wing pinheads.

  48. 63

    spews:

    In other news:

    Medical examiners in Los Angeles are investigating the possible poisoning death of one of their own officials who may have worked on the case of Andrew Breitbart, the conservative firebrand who died March 1, the same day Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced probable cause for forgery in President Obama’s birth certificate.

    From the terminally irrelevant and money-losing Washington Times. Been a long time since right wing doofus’ like Puddybud dragged in anything from that pit into these comment threads.

    http://dailykos.com/story/2012.....etail=hide

  49. 65

    Michael spews:

    Perusing some of the righty/gun-nut sites, it seems that the victim in the Ted Nugent’s arrest in the illegal taking of game (sorry righties, the game you shoot is the game that fills your tag, regardless of wether you tag it and pack out or not) is none other than Ted Nugent.

    Also curious is their instance that the federal Lacey Act of 1900 is some sort of new law and that it only applies in SE Alaska.

  50. 69

    spews:

    Hear, hear!

    Cut a check and shut up, they said.

    If you want to pay more, pay more, they said.

    Tired of hearing about it, they said.

    Tough shit for you guys, because I’m not tired of talking about it. I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar. It’s true that some rich folks put at least some of their tax savings into charitable contributions. My wife and I give away roughly $4 million a year to libraries, local fire departments that need updated lifesaving equipment (Jaws of Life tools are always a popular request), schools, and a scattering of organizations that underwrite the arts. Warren Buffett does the same; so does Bill Gates; so does Steven Spielberg; so do the Koch brothers; so did the late Steve Jobs. All fine as far as it goes, but it doesn’t go far enough.

    Stephen King – a great patriotic American!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....-sake.html

  51. 70

    spews:

    If you’ve heard it once from your Fox-watching uncle, you’ve probably heard it a hundred times. “The government never did anything for me, dammit,” he grouses. “Everything I have, I earned. Nobody ever handed me anything. I did it all on my own. I’m a self-made man.”

    He’s just plain wrong. Flat-out, incontrovertibly, inarguably wrong. So profoundly wrong, in fact, that we probably won’t be able to change the national discourse on taxes, infrastructure, education, government investment, technology policy, transportation, welfare, or our future prospects as a country until we can effectively convince the country of the monumental wrongness of this one core point.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/04/3.....singleton/

    Yep, Stephen King is a damned talented spinner of thrillers but he needed a receptive audience for his stuff. Warren Buffet’s knack for allocating capital would have been of zero use in the Nebraska of 100 years ago.

    No man is an island..

  52. 71

    the 5% spews:

    How much you wannna bet ylb household gave $0 to charities and volunteered 0 hours last year….

    The big govt suckling, gimme free stuff types never ever give anything charity..be it money or time.

    Yo ho ho ylb, leave the charity talk and posts to people who actually gave……your selfish ass doesn’t qualify.

  53. 72

    spews:

    The basic elements of Ryan’s plan are this: The tax code would be collapsed into two rates, with the top rate dropping to 25 percent, but eliminating unspecified tax deductions would keep tax revenues at the current level, as set by the Bush tax cuts. Medicare would remain untouched for those 55 years old and older, but those under would be given vouchers at a capped rate. Given that the Medicare savings would not begin to take effect for more than a decade, that taxes would stay level (at best), and that military spending would increase, Ryan would achieve his short-term deficit reduction by focusing overwhelmingly on programs targeted to the poor (which account for about a fifth of the federal budget, but absorb 62 percent of Ryan’s cuts over the next decade). The budget repeals Obamacare, thereby uninsuring some 30 million Americans about to become insured. It would then take insurance away from another 14 to 27 million people, by cutting Medicaid and children’s health-insurance funding.

    This is not a moderate plan. As Robert Greenstein, a liberal budget analyst, summed up the proposal, “It would likely produce the largest redistribution of income from the bottom to the top in modern U.S. history.” And yet, Ryan has managed to sell it as something admirable, and something else entirely: a deficit-reduction plan. This is very clever. Whether Ryan’s plan even is a “deficit-reduction plan” is highly debatable. Ryan promises to eliminate trillions of dollars’ worth of tax deductions, but won’t identify which ones. He proposes to sharply reduce government spending that isn’t defense, Medicare (for the next decade, anyway), or Social Security, but much of that reduction is unspecified, and when Obama named some possible casualties, Ryan complained that those hypotheticals weren’t necessarily in his plan. Ryan is specific about two policies: massive cuts to income-tax rates, and very large cuts to government programs that aid the poor and medically vulnerable. You could call all this a “deficit-reduction plan,” but it would be more accurate to call it “a plan to cut tax rates and spending on the poor and sick.” Aside from a handful of exasperated commentators, like Paul Krugman, nobody does.

    http://nymag.com/news/features/paul-ryan-2012-5/

    Jon Chait is doing the best writing on politics of his career, some of the best writing out there period.

  54. 73

    spews:

    Again from the Chait article,

    It was the simplest, no-brainer pot of savings you could find—ending pure corporate welfare, just like in the movie Dave. The cause attracted support from think tanks, as well as the moderate Wisconsin Republican Tom Petri, an eclectic reformer who is sort of the real-life version of the Paul Ryan character who appears on television. Two National Review editors endorsed eliminating guaranteed loans in an article advocating a new reform conservatism.

    The banks lobbied fiercely to protect their gravy train. Among the staunchest advocates of those government-subsidized banks was … Paul Ryan, who fought to protect bank subsidies that many of his fellow Republicans deemed too outrageous to defend. In 2009, Obama finally eliminated the guaranteed-lending racket. It could save the government an estimated $62 billion, according to the CBO.

    Paul Ryan: venal right wing scumbag!

  55. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    A 51-year-old Colorado inmate serving life-without-parole walked out of prison a free man today, because DNA testing confirmed he wasn’t the killer/rapist.

    Since 1989, post-conviction DNA testing has freed 290 wrongly convicted innocent people.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....iller?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’m not posting this as an argument against the death penalty in all cases. I still support very sparing use of the death penalty in extremely heinous cases where guilt is not in doubt. A few crimes are so odious and shocking to normal sensibilities that no other punishment seems adequate to deal with the depraved and ruthless monsters who commit such crimes.

    There are two criticisms I want to make here of conservatives attitudes toward criminal justice.

    First, our legal system is imperfect; and, because it is, the demands by conservatives for “swift justice” — which can easily degenerate into “rush to judgment” — is inappropriate and dangerous.

    Second, it is conservatives — and, particularly, conservative justices on SCOTUS — who have pushed for strict legal rules that prevent reopening cases after jury convictions, even to consider DNA testing or new evidence. Convictions, they say, should be final. Which is the same thing as saying the legal system should never admit a mistake.

    Texas outdoes all other states when it comes to executing people. There is a darkening stain on Texas justice. Its name is Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed for setting a house fire that killed his children. National arson experts who reviewed the case concluded the fire was an accident and the local arson investigator whose testimony sent Willingham to Texas’ death chamber was a poorly trained incompetent. In other words, not only was Willingham innocent, but no crime was committed.

    An accident is an accident. More than a century ago, the great future Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in his famous book “The Common Law” (a copy of which I own and reposes on my bedroom bookcase), “Even a dog knows the difference between being stepped on and kicked.”

    Well, Texas Governor Rick Perry apparently can’t tell the difference between accident and murder. When a report was placed on his desk hours before Willingham’s execution that called into question the arson investigator’s conclusions and raised the possibility that Texas was about to execute an innocent man, Perry refused to read it. In the aftermath of the execution, when the Texas Forensics Commission began reviewing the case, Perry fired its members and replaced them with cronies he could rely on to sweep that possibility under the rug.

    What can one say about this? First of all, we should all heave a giant sigh of relief that Rick Perry self-destructed in this spring’s GOP primaries and is not going to be elevated to the office of President of the United States. He just doesn’t have the intelligence, judgment, or integrity to make decisions at that level — decisions that may involve not only the life or death of individuals, but of civilization itself.

    The salient point here is that Perry is a conservative who believes jury verdicts are sacrosanct and can never be disturbed. That’s just plain wrongheaded — juries make mistakes. Every single one of the 290 innocent people who have been freed by the work of the Innocence Project was convicted by a jury.

    Conservatives are wrong about their demand for “swift justice” at the expense of justice itself. In their zeal to prevent vicious killers from delaying or avoiding execution for their crimes with endless appeals, they’re wrong in their insistence on closing off legal avenues of further review that slam the door to correcting the legal system’s mistakes where potentially innocent lives may be at stake.

    While I continue to support limited use of the death penalty against those surely guilty of truly heinous murders, if conservatives insist on rushing to judgment and slamming the door to reconsidering cases where a mistake may have been made, then I would not be able to support the use of the death penalty in any case, because its cost is simply too high — an innocent life, once taken, can’t be restored.

    Rick Perry is the worst argument in favor of the death penalty that pro-death penalty conservatives could possibly have. They need to realize he and his ilk are no friends of their cause.

  56. 76

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @71 Let’s say you’re a businessman who makes millions by sending jobs overseas, closing plants, and putting thousands of people out of work; and you cut a check for $50,000 to your church’s charity. Does that make you a good Christian?

    And let’s say the next guy is one of those unemployed workers, who donates nothing to chairty from his meager unemployment checks and takes your charity by utilizing the church’s food bank to feed his family; are you a better person than he is?

  57. 77

    shark tales spews:

    WTF is wrong with some people?

    crazy ass mom was putting bleach in her infants eyes? WTF?

    solution part 1: get the kid to foster parents
    solution part 2: bullet to back of head of crazy mom.

    solved.

  58. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @77 Does she get a trial first? At least check her photo ID before you shoot her to make sure you have the right voter … er, I mean, culprit.

  59. 79

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Funny how the same people who think you shouldn’t be allowed to vote without showing them your birth certificate would pull the switch in a death chamber without even checking to see whether they’ve got the right guy. See, e.g., the dozens of people released from death rows by DNA testing that they oppose.

  60. 80

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Okay, so my suggestion is, let’s have the authorities conduct a proper investigation to verify that allegedly deranged mother did what the doctors suspect she did, then make her submit to a psychiatric exam to determine whether she’s mentally responsible for what she did allegedly did to her child, then go from there with either criminal or civil commitment proceedings.

  61. 81

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Meanwhile, our friend @77 apparently isn’t very fastidious about the nuances of the culpability of sane people vs. insane people. He’d shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.

  62. 82

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Corporate Welfare Bums Dep’t

    Another corporation joins my rogue’s gallery of companies that would rather suck on the taxpayer tit than work at making an honest profit in a free market.

    Delta Airlines got $30 million from the state of Pennsylvania to buy a refinery.

    Meanwhile, Seattle Times editorials urge our own legislature to nickel-and-dime our state employees.

  63. 83

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I wonder what the Seattle Times would say if an airline asked Olympia for $30 million to buy a refinery? Frank Blethen probably would say, “Take it out of Roger Rabbit’s pension!”

  64. 84

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Actually, that would be okay with me if I were going to collect $60 million of pension from the state. I’d be willing to go halfsies — half to me, and half to the airline. Anybody at the Seattle Times want to take me up on that deal?

  65. 85

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As further evidence that free markets are collapsing, Australia cut its interest rates by twice as much as financial analysts expected. Capitalism doesn’t seem to work unless governments print money to bail out busted banks.

  66. 86

    shark tales spews:

    81. Roger Rabbit spews:
    Meanwhile, our friend @77 apparently isn’t very fastidious about the nuances of the culpability of sane people vs. insane people. He’d shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.

    04/30/2012 AT 11:26 PM

    No, I wouldnt waste gods time…no reason to sort them out.

    some people just got….to….go…..sane or not.

  67. 87

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @86, 77, and comments in-between…

    You should have stopped with:

    WTF is wrong with some people?

    I thought you were going to go into a diatribe about people with genetic predispositions to sociopathic behavior tending to become Republicans.

    Oh, no.

    You want extra-judicial executions, with bullets to the back of heads. Which begs all sorts of questions from sane people, easy ones like, who decides? Oh, wait, I get it, we’re all armed, and anyone, anywhere seeing something, anything, amiss gets to shoot.

    While the crime you describe is heinous, is it really worse than thousands of excess, but slower and less obvious, deaths of mothers, fathers, children from environmental degradation from unregulated industries? Love Canal, Times Beach, fracking, moutaintop-removal, arsenic and acid rain, dead coral and acid oceans?

    How about the long-term consequences of being thrown into poverty, homelessness and unemployment – what do you think that does to a kid – from a system designed to harvest your labor and throw you away, so that some asshole can have a bigger McMansion or a G6?

    I’ll bet serious money that the mother in question had had some sort of evil visited upon her when she was helpless. What we allow to happen in this society to the vulnerable, to helpless children, to others without power, and then expect them to ‘buck up’ and get over it and ‘get a job’, is obscene.

    This is what happens when you commoditize people – and some are found less valuable. By all means – sell schools to corporations, make people work until they break, or 67, whichever comes first, stop wasting money on healthcare, make people as insecure and desperate – and therefore exploitable – as possible.

    The ones that crack? Shoot ‘em in the back of the head and give the pup to someone else to raise.

    Republican values, severely conservative.

    (Christian?)

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    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @74. thanks posting that clip Michael. Cenk Uygur did a great job of poking holes the oppressed christian(TM) arguments.