Open Thread

- Kitsap County was forced to pay Bruce Olson $2,000 as reimbursement for the grow lights that they confiscated from him and never returned after the ill-conceived 2007 raid on his legal marijuana patch.

– The Marc Emery extradition hearings have been pushed back another few weeks as a potential plea deal is being worked out.

– Melissa Gira Grant writes in Slate about why the crackdown on Craigslist for their erotic classifieds will just lead to more problems when it comes to dealing with prostitution. Dominic Holden and Jonah Spangenthal-Lee write about a local case that illustrates the pointlessness of maintaining an absolute prohibition on paying for erotic services rather than regulating it.

– Scott Morgan dismantles the myth that marijuana is a “gateway drug”.

– In Mexico, the political party that most openly advocates for drug legalization has seen some of its candidates violently attacked, allegedly by the cartels. It’s an important reminder that those who steadfastly oppose drug legalization are on the same side of the debate as the organized crime groups who profit from the illegal drugs.

– Time Magazine writes about one of the most morally bankrupt aspects of the international war on drugs – the attempts to use the U.N. to ban the ancient practice of chewing coca leaves in indigenous areas of South America.


  1. 1

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Once again, Potlead Lee’s obsession with dope shows where what little is left of his brain is.
    Grow up Lee.
    No drugs, No Alcohol….be like Puddy!

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    demo kid spews:

    And the same thing could go for @1, too. Can you disprove what Lee’s saying here? Or are you just trying to prove yet again that you’re a fucking twit?

  3. 5

    Michael spews:

    I’m so glad to see that things are so safe, tranquil and crime free in Seattle that the SPD can dedicate a year to busting a single hand-job-hut where there’s no indication of human trafficking, drug sales or money laundering.

    We all need to live by the law and what they were doing is illegal, but that is one huge was of time and money on the part of the SPD.

  4. 6

    Michael spews:


    Those were state agency’s that missed the goal, not the Democratic party

    High pump prices and limited supplies proved the biggest hurdles, the study found.

    On average, a blend of 20 percent biofuel with 80 percent petroleum-based diesel costs 33 cents a gallon more than regular diesel — a margin that was a disincentive for cash-strapped agencies to pay.

    Had they met the goal, you’d be on here complaining about the extra cost.

  5. 7

    Michael spews:

    Craig’s List is still full of ads for sex, they’ve just changed the language a little bit. The Prude Force seems to have accomplished nothing.

  6. 10

    Michael spews:

    Obama administration halts development in roadless parts of federal forests
    by Matthew Preusch, The Oregonian
    Thursday May 28, 2009, 10:55 AM

    The Obama administration on Thursday took its first substantive step into the fray of public lands logging, giving the head of the Agriculture Department sole say over road building and timber sales in millions of acres of federal forests.

    The directive gives Agriculture Department Secretary Tom Vilsack authority on development in roadless areas for one year.

    “This interim directive will provide consistency and clarity that will help protect our national forests until a long-term roadless policy reflecting President Obama’s commitment is developed,” said Vilsack, whose department oversees the U.S. Forest Service.

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    Proud To Be An Ass spews:

    @1 & 2: So tell us, KKKynical KKKlown, investment adivsor extrordinaire (Wells Fargo for ‘safe’ dividend yield! What a fucking dummy!), how does it feel to be irrelevant…totally irrelevant…how does it feel, moron?

    I remember well Limbaugh’s taunting diatribe that “until the dems win an election” they should just shut the fuck up.

    The tide has turned. Shut the fuck up.

  8. 12

    Michael spews:


    You gotta love that free market!

    During the first quarter of 2009, more bicycles were sold in the US than cars and trucks. While the Great Recession is hurting bike sales, they didn’t fall as fast as automobiles. Around 2.6 million bicycle purchases were made, compared to less than 2.5 million cars and trucks that left our nation’s lots.

    Bicycle Sales Still Hurt by Recession

    I don’t mean to say that bicycle sales are unfazed by the recession. They are actually down more than 30% from the first quarter of 2008. But that percentage drop is slower than the 35+% drop in sales for cars and trucks. Since nationwide gasoline prices are now rising above $2.40 per gallon at the pump, we may see another wave of US residents shifting to bicycles for their everyday trips. The large savings from riding a bike over short distances rather than driving can help consumer confidence and support economic recovery.

  9. 13

    Christi S spews:


    I’d love to comment on your site, but don’t see the opportunity to have reasonable discourse. Any way to moderate the trolls and the horses asses?

  10. 14

    Michael spews:

    Hey Righties, When are we going to see thousands of people marching in the streets to continue our employer based health-care system?

    Thousands march for universal health care

    Thousands of people took to the streets of Seattle on Saturday to make sure the issue of health care reform stays front and center on the national agenda.

    Marchers said they know that overhauling the nation’s health care system won’t be easy – but they said more and more people agree that changes need to come sooner than later.

  11. 15

    Michael spews:


    We do have a reasonable discourse here, but it’s hit and miss in the posts and you have to learn to over look some (all?) of the hyperbole.

  12. 16

    proud leftist spews:

    13 and 15,
    I once believed that reasonable discourse was possible with those on the other side of the political fence because I believed that reason mattered. I believed that facts mattered. Evidence, reality, those sorts of things. I have come to understand, however, that wingies like Dick Cheney, Glenn Beck, and our trolls don’t care about those sorts of things. They only care about their opinions, no matter how unbased those opinions might be. So, those of us who live in the reality-based universe must stop trying to reason with those who cannot reason. We must simply bash them, ceaselessly and unmercilessly. It ain’t a pretty task, but it is our job.

  13. 18

    proud leftist spews:

    Ghengis Khan @ 17
    Amen, bro.
    On the other hand, you killed a lot of people. What was that all about? Dialogue didn’t seem to be your thing as you sought your own empire. Channel me, Ghengis. Are we not seeking an empire as we try conquering lands, like Iraq and Afghanistan, you tried to conquer?

  14. 19

    Christi S spews:

    @15 and 16

    I guess that’s my problem, call me naive, but I’m just pragmatic enough and rational enough to believe that facts should matter in the narrative.

    give me another hit, I guess. or two. :)

    David, do you need moderation staff, or is this they way you like it? Volunteers are easy to find. You know how to find me, luv.

  15. 20

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Getting back on point…..

    After reading the Time article, the UN is dead wrong in its attempt to outlaw natives chewing coca leaves. And while I usually find the bomb-throwing, civil-war-starting Chavista that is Evo Morales about as enjoyable as a root-canal, he’s got a point on coca. While we in the industrial world focus rightly on the refined form of cocaine, in its native form, coca is….. actually pretty harmless, and in many ways quite beneficial.

    I remember reading several years ago about studies done on the local peoples that chewed coca leaves. In its native form, the chemical makeup of the leaves allowed for better absorption of oxygen into the bloodstream. Which is a big plus when the farm you’re working is situated on hillsides that are frequently over 15,000 feet (Mt. Rainier tops out at 14,411′ by comparison). And as far ‘cocaine’ was concerned, a farmer that chewed on a handful of leaves a day ingested about 1/3 of a gram of what we would consider cocaine. And the same studies showed an added bonus, that the locals that chewed coca had (for the region) abnormally strong, healthy, and very white teeth. This led to Andean nations putting coca extracts in toothpaste as a way to legitmately use coca crops.

    And if there’s such an outcry about coca, why isn’t there a similar attempt to outlaw the chewing of khat leaves in Africa and the Middle East? Hell, pretty much the entire nation of Yemen chews it and gets stoned to a bejeezus on it…….

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    Ghengis Khan spews:

    @17 Read the Secret history of the Mongols. I was no more expansionist or bloodthirsty than the Athenians, the Spartans, the Persians, the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Zulus, the Iroquois, the Chinese, The Romans. Everyone acted agressively and took slaves. We all pillaged, slaughered and conquered back then, before we had rules of war. But I gave more religious freedom and spurred peace and trade in my empire. I’ve gotten a bum rap from Western history. Believe me it was war of all against all back then and those Rus would have done the same to us if they could have.
    Let me specifically include the Scandinavians, who created empires and conquered and raped, and pillaged, and enslaved people like everyone else — just as much as they possibly could!
    But when I did it it was legal. When the USA invaded Iraq (one of my favorite plums) it was illegal. Because in my day, there was no international law.

  17. 22

    Ghengis Khan spews:

    That was for @18.

    And watch it — I didn’t try to conquer Iraq and Afghanistan. My people did conquer them.

    You would disrespect the Khan……?

    Be thankful I conform to the accepted rules and customs of the day. That is, unless you are an idiotic right wing numbskull.

  18. 23

    NotReligiouslyinsane spews:

    Methinks Mr Cynical -n- gang need to visit the Temple … a handjob on the alter might “alter” perceptions enough so that even unattractive rightys can get relief… failing that I suppose there is always the Dominican Republic and Viagra…

  19. 25

    NotReligiouslyinsane spews:

    29 year old man with lengthy criminal record has 21 children with 11 different women. Anyone want to guess his race?

    “Mormon”?? Sounds like the FLDS

  20. 26



    Yeah, all them Mormons with lengthy rap sheets. See ‘em on COPS all the time.

    Nope, it’s a black guy, of course.

  21. 28

    nolaguy spews:

    Interesting study on Freedom in 50 States

    By their measure, Washington is 44th freest state:

    Washington scores #41 on economic freedoms,
    #35 on personal freedoms, and #44 overall. While taxes are fairly low, spending is higher than average, and accordingly government debt is quite high. The government payroll is much larger than average. For a liberal state, gun laws are quite reasonable. Alcohol is fairly tightly controlled, with taxes on spirits the highest in the country by far (effectively $21.15 per gallon). Marijuana laws are a bit better than average, but making high-level possession and low-level cultivation misdemeanors and low-level possession a civil
    offense would help further. Washington does not
    authorize sobriety checkpoints. Educational regulation is absurdly tight, with private schools needing state approval and under certain conditions teacher licensing, and home schoolers needing to meet teacher qualifications, annual standardized testing, and extensive recordkeeping rules, along with other requirements. Land-use planning is becoming more centralized. Labor and health insurance laws are poor. Asset forfeiture has been reformed, but eminent domain has not. Cigarette taxes are high, and smoking bans are extensive.

  22. 29


    Was there a point to that, or were you worried that some of the new people here didn’t know that you’re a racist?

  23. 30

    NotReligiouslyinsane spews:

    Yeah, all them Mormons with lengthy rap sheets

    bigomy and pediphilia dont count in your world to bad cops dont show the Madoffs of the world more often, but I digress…

    The last episode of Cops I saw, the very white truck driver was wearing Make up and a dress screaming away because another very white meth addict stole his truck

    I wonder what would happen if one were to count the number of meth addicts verses crack addicts and race I dont think Blacky would out number whitey (but that’s just a guess)

  24. 31



    That bringing up Madoff shit may throw others off-track, but I own a police scanner, so I hear first-hand who’s committing all the crimes.

  25. 32

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Hey Union Duchebag Fireman, remember me….remember me saying that supply and demand doesn’t always apply to oil and gas……well here is a brief lead in into a story on cnn….

    “Storage tankers may be brimming with oil that no one is buying because of the global economic downturn, but the traditional laws of supply and demand don’t always apply to oil prices, reports. Drivers have faced rising prices at the pump in recent months, as investors and oil-producing countries hoard supplies in anticipation of a global economic recovery later this year. full story”

    Seems like there is always some type of excuse for raising the price…why not let supply and demand take over, and when the demand does increase then raise the price, why are we now anticipating the future to base our price.

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    I’m not a racist. I’m more like the little boy in The Emperor’s New Clothes. I’m merely saying the truth, as unpopular and un-pc as that may be.

  27. 34



    Oh, and what does that say about you and this blog that you allow someone to use the word nigger so freely and … hold on … my cat just knocked over my bong. brb.

  28. 35

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    Obama would make a lot of points with me if he’d order the drug people to drop all actions against Canadian Marc Emery. The war on drugs hasn’t worked and has tarnished law enforcement everywhere in this country. It’s time to come to a sane policy on substances like marijuana and realize that imprisoning people for smoking pot is a waste of time and resources.

  29. 36

    Ghengis Khan spews:

    Hey at the health care rally folks drowned out Patty Murray’s tepid speech, with cries of single payer, single payer.

    Are Murray and Cantwell even on board supporting the government option ?

  30. 38


    Obama would make a lot of points with me if he’d order the drug people to drop all actions against Canadian Marc Emery.

    I agree, PI. I’d like to see Jenny Durkan take some initiative on that.

  31. 39

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Lee I will PAY you to block Troll’s IP so we don’t have to listen to his cum-drunk drivel any more!!!

  32. 40

    eastsider spews:

    YAKIMA, Wash. — A 25-year-old woman is in critical condition after a hit-and-run crash early this morning in the 1500 block of McKinley Avenue, city police said.

    Victoria J. Oregon suffered severe external and internal injuries and is being treated at Yakima Regional Medical and Cardiac Center, detectives said in a news release issued this afternoon.

    Police are seeking anyone with information about the crash or the driver, who has not been identified.

    About 3:15 a.m., someone called 9-1-1 to report a woman down on the street. Officers found the woman unconscious.

    Evidence at the scene, as well as her injuries, indicated she was hit by a vehicle, police said.

    Yakima’s racist response below:
    Posted by Nick at 06/01/09 01:19PM Post ID#: #4390
    This happened virtually in front of my house. The neighborhood is about 95% Hispanic. There are many gangsters as well, out ripping up and down the street at all hours, flashing signs and there single-digit IQ at us “gringos”. I have yelled at young Hispanic drivers racing by at about 50 mph and more, cars parked both sides and about a lane and a half of room. The driver’s response – shift down and floor it. We desperately need some kind of traffic control in our neighborhood – especially after school and late at night. The neighborhood is also full of little kids who pay no attention, (most whose moms are nowhere to be seen) dashing across the street between the cars. Add the small pets that do the same – most of them dead by now.

    It’s about time people started caring for the victims instead of the perpetrators of these senseless and unnecessary crimes that happen frequently in this neighborhood, but often go unreported because nobody does anything about them anyway.

    OK 1mgh, chime in and call me disgusting and racist for citing more facts and expressing anger and

  33. 41

    eastsider spews:

    Nick;you are not only a racist;
    you are the most bigoted racist person
    i have ever read in opinion forums.
    Every opinion you type,is disparaging
    of hispanics.
    By the way,Nick is a member of
    the Yakima Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.