Open Thread


  1. 3

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    That was amazingly funny. Now all we need is a clip of Baby Bush going AWOL, the Bush Twins pulling a train and getting busted for DUI, WHATADICK Cheney shooting a guy in the face, Karl Rove outing a CIA agent, the GOP engineering the theft of the White House and Laura Bush killing a guy and we’d be on to something.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I wish I could get the trollfucks to hate me as much as they hate Ted Kennedy. They say the measure of a rabbit’s character is who his enemies are.

  3. 8

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Remember what Ted’s brother said: “Forgive your enemies, but remember their names,”

  4. 9

    headless lucy spews:

    Well, Republicans killed both of Ted’s brothers. I don’t know why the murderous bastards (Republicans) are so concerned about a car accident.

    If you are making headway against Republican politicians, stay away from small aircraft. Ask the Wellstone family — amongst others.

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    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Why do the Publicans hate our troops? Is it because most Publicans are chickenshit, chickenhawk cowards? The mess at Walter Reed is just further proof that the GOP hates our troops. 12 years of Publican rule in the House/Senate and more than 6 years in the White House and during that time, they let the soldiers who did the fighting for them suffer at Reed.

    How can America even permit these traitors to be in the minority party? That’s too good for the Publican cowards. Shame on them for hating our troops!

  6. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 How do you know who the troops vote for? The Pentagon doesn’t allow pollsters to conduct surveys of active duty soldiers, so all this blather about “how the troops vote” is mere speculation.

    And if Republicans are truly confident that the troops vote for them, why do they run secret operations to challenge the voter registrations of soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

  7. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey UNION fireman! Does THIS describe you?

    “Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican
    “A TvNewsLIES Reader contribution.
    “By John Gray Cincinnati, Ohio

    “Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

    “All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

    “Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    “Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    “Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

    “Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

    “Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

    “He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

    “He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, ‘We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have’.”

  8. 17


    Union Fireman says:


    then why do American troops overwhelmingly vote for Republicans?

    Funny, when I was on active duty, our ballots were secret.

    Now, if you are simply parroting the “conventional wisdom”, then perhaps a little study from Columbia University might interest you.

    “In terms of ideology, we found that the army largely mirrors the public in terms of self-placement on a liberal/conservative scale.”

    “These findings refute the conventional wisdom that the army is uniformly conservative and Republican.”

    The study did find that West Point Cadets primarily self-identified as Republican, but also said

    “However, we cannot conclusively determine whether this is the result of self-selection to the Academy or if cadets adopt their partisan affiliations at West Point. The bulk of evidence points towards self-selection in that the majority of cadets report that their parents identify with the Republican Party.”

    This is actually good news on a couple of fronts. I am glad to find that at least some Republicans are willing to join the military, and are willing to allow their children to serve. I have no problem with Republicans that are willing to stand up for their beliefs, to the point of risking their lives for them.

    Hopefully, those folks will take back control of the Republican party, from the chickenhawks and self-servers that are currently running it.


  9. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @17 I’ve seen a number of things reported in the media and on the internet that indicate the military isn’t as “red” as conservative blowhards claim it is. Most prominently, a whole slew of retired generals have been PUBLICLY lining up against Bush’s “surge” plan — and these are folks who are trained to be nonpolitical and almost never go public with their disagreements with civilians in the chain of command, so you know they must feel pretty strongly about it, to be publicly criticizing the C-in-C. But there are other signs and signals, too, such as Army Times stories about disaffection among military voters with the Bush administration’s troop deployment policies and other issues. Generally, the farther up the ranks you go, the more Republican the soldiers are — but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to find out the “lifers” are getting upset with the Bushies for dragging the Armed Forces through a sewer of lies and corruption. I think it’s very reasonable to respond to posts like UF’s by saying he’s blowing smoke out of his ass.

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    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    I served in the Navy during the Viet Nam conflict. I marched against the war before I went. I went in a Democrat. I came out a Democrat. I marched against it when I came out.
    I met a number of enlisted men who had voted for Nixon, and then said they would vote Democratic, given another chance. I was out by the time Nixon gave us “Peace with honor” complete with people hanging off helicopter skids., so I couldn’t say how their final political slant was.. .

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    Some time ago, I wondered why Ms. Clinton was considered to be the front runner. Nothing against the lady, but I was wondering what made her the best available candidate. It seemed to me that she would govern as her husband did, with a “finger to the wind”. Better her than W, but that isn’t saying much.

    From her comments at a candidates debate in Dover, NH:

    “if the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from.”

    I’ve got no problem with candidates working for the middle ground in public debate, but I think she may have overshot the mark.

    In her defense, I will note that up until this point, my biggest concern was that she seemed to be forming her opinions based solely on public opinion, rather than her own convictions. Either I was wrong, or someone has given her some really bad polling data.

    Either way, I will be looking for another candidate. Mr. Edwards had developed a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease, and so far Mr. Gore is declining to run. I hope Mr. Obama is as good as people seem to think he is.

  12. 22

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Probably the best crticism of Hilary I hve heard is: She lacks Leadership.
    She is Smart.
    She is Capable.
    She has Talent.
    She is alwaysPrepared.


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    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Why do military vote “overwhelmingly” republican?

    Well let’s see – they don’t. How’s that asswipe? And then those that do, we know why they do. They were ordered to. It’s that simple. Any more questions?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @21 Obama is short of experience, and perhaps policy perspective as well, but there are times in a nation’s history when a candidate who can make us feel good about ourselves is just what the country needs. This may be such a time, and Obama may be such a candidate. As for the rest, what president hasn’t needed on-the-job training? It took Lincoln three years to figure out what the criteria of a good general are.

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    I have high hopes for Mr. Obama, as he is one of the few folks currently running that do not give me the urge to “draw aside the hem of the garment”.

    I still harbor a secret urge (well, not so secret now) to see Ron Paul seriously run for President. I’d heard of him before, but one of our right-wingers brought his name into the conversation, and so I learned a bit about him. I disagree with him on any number of topics, but I have to admire his honesty and integrity.

    The guy votes against giving Congressional medals because he sees nothing in the Constitution that allows Congress to spend money on them, but offers to pass a hat for contributions. The man seems to honestly believe that Congress is simply acting as trustee for the public’s money and should treat it as such.

    He voted against the initial resolution for the Iraq war and has been a consistent critic of how it has been waged, not because he’s anti-military or pro-Saddam, but because he didn’t see where it was a matter of immediate national security, and doesn’t think we should be spending lives and dollars on someone else’s civil war.

    He actually believes in many of the things that the Republicans say they stand for. Naturally, they’ve been trying to toss him out of the party for years, but his constituents love him.

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    Puddybud spews:

    Now here is a curious development surely to shut up the fringies (oh… wait… most ASSWipes on ASSHeads are fringies). The electronic voting machines in Florida were found to be in working order and the Moonbat!s can’t figger dem out! Waaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaa HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!;emc=rss

    Clueless it’s in the NY Slimes so it has to be good!

    So how will Hilary stuff the primary ballot now we know they work correctly in Florida?

  17. 28


    Just looking in on an old thread and noticed that Puddybud picked this one to post his drivel. As there was a newer “Open Thread” at the time of that post, I have to assume it’s just because he wasn’t looking for a response.

    Here’s one anyway.

    You might want to consider actually reading the articles you link to before posting them. Of course the “Weekly Standard” is still blaming every problem in the world on President Clinton, but the NY Times article doesn’t say what you think it does.

    (Wow, Mr. Clinton must have been a much more effective President than I ever gave him credit for.)