Open thread

Oh, and on a totally unrelated topic, a tip of the hat to the Seattle Times’ David Postman for pointing us to breaking news… about talking urinal cakes:

SANTA FE — New Mexico is taking its fight against drunken driving to men’s restrooms around the state.

The state has ordered 500 talking urinal cakes that will deliver a recorded anti-DWI message to bar and restaurant patrons who make one last pit stop before getting behind the wheel.

“Hey there, big guy. Having a few drinks?” a female voice says a few seconds after an approaching male sets off a motion sensor in the device. “It’s time to call a cab or ask a sober friend for a ride home.”

Oh great. I’ve already got a touch of “shy bladder.” A talking urinal cake is going to shut the hose right off.

Comments

  1. 1

    GBS spews:

    Taken from Post 61 on the 2/10/07 Open Thread.
    Catching Puddybud, PacMan, Sniveling Liberal Lefties Love Islamo-Nutjob\’s says, and whatever other personas portraying, in a big FAT lie.

    Puddybud says:
    GBS: Is your email the same as it was before? Mine is still the same, so you can email me.
    You see I ax’d you to email me or better yet tell FroggyASS when we traded emails about me meeting you at your favorite place. You told me not to reveal your favorite place again on ASSWipes.
    You see GBS FroggyASS didn’t write the whole thread. FroggyASS is not telling you the truth. That’s because FroggyASS will not take the time and look on ASSWipes to view our discussion. I told him to look up our conversation last winter. You should remember our conversation late Winter 2006 when PacMan and I told you we were headed over to your favorite haunt. We went when we had free time. You told me you could not make it AFTER we went. To go there one must park and pay. If you shop in your favorite place your parking ticket is reduced or made free. You know this I know this and PacMan knew this. You commented afterward you could not make it but let’s try another day.
    I told Froggy to look it up. I wrote to you to corroborate the event. FroggyASS didn’t take time to look it up, FroggyASS doesn’t know how to search the ‘Net. FroggyASS is just dumb!
    02/11/2007 at 8:08 pm

    Puddybud @ 61:

    **HEAVY, HEAVY SIGH**

    Why do I start my post with a heavy sigh?

    Several reasons actually. I guess I’m disappointed on many levels. For starters, I probably missed my true calling in life. I should’ve been an attorney for the D.A.’s office. It seems to me, at least from the point of an educated guess, that a prosecuting attorney has to have a great recall for the details. At the end of this post, I’ll return to this point and wrap it all up in a nice gift box with a bow on it.

    When you and I first started trading barbs on this blog I figured out that while you claimed to have had military service, little inconsistencies in the details of your story led me to believe you never actually spent time in the military. As it turned out, at least according to your account, which will be forever suspect, you did sign up for the Navy’s nuclear power program in college, but before you could actually wear the uniform you injured your knee in a basketball game and couldn’t meet the physical requirements of military service and never even spent one day being “haze gray and underway.” Yes?

    Yes, of course I’m right! That’s exactly the gist of what transpired. Roger Rabbit took your back on this one saying that you “signed on the bottom line” so you served. I, however, had a differing point of view. But I digress.

    Remember the whole 4 minute mile argument we had? Yes, of course you do. That’s where I gave you the first hints into my military background.

    Remember when I confessed that I didn’t attend college like you and “PacMan” and that I wasn’t the smartest man in the world, but I had a great memory for details? Do you remember why I had to develop a great eye for details? Hint: remembering each aspect of every operational detail were the keys to success in my community.

    But through it all, our heated exchanges, our differing points of view, I believed we had found some common ground of friendship and a willingness to break bread together. Although we never actually ate lunch together I felt as though we were friends. I even took your back on a few occasions when you were being unfairly attacked on this blog.

    Mr. Puddybud, there is no “PacMan,” is there? A “PacMan,” at least, that exists outside of your own imagination. PacMan is, in fact, a figment of your imagination, isn’t he?

    You know it, I know and now, so, too, will everyone else.

    You disappointed me, Puddybud, I thought we were friends. I thought you were different.

    ***HEAVY SIGH OF DISAPPOINTMENT, AGAIN***

    Instead, you revealed your true colors of the typical, amoral, conservative Christian quality that most modern day conservatives seem to share like: DeLay, Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Ney, Libby, Rev. Haggard and the rest of your ilk.

    What you say in your post @ 61 is “mostly” true. We were trying to set a date for lunch, but I specifically said I couldn’t make the lunch before you and “PacMan” went rushing to the undisclosed lunch location (Uwajimaya.) Re-read the posts if you must (March/April 2006 time frame). If you were to recall correctly, I was just about to depart for a well deserved European vacation and couldn’t squeeze in the time.

    Have you figured it out yet, Puddybud? Have your synapses fired yet? Did you make the connection yet? Do you know where you made your fatal mistake yet? Because this is THE critical moment.

    No?!?!?!

    Let me put it together for you and the readers of HA. At the time we were trying to set up a lunch to your gambling debt and you, as in Puddybud, were frightened of me. You, Puddybud, wanted an address where you could mail me a “certified” check for the amount we bet. Then, as if by magic – Ta Da – “PacMan” moves up from the Bay Area to Seattle and the both of you want to make a last minute dash to meet me for lunch. And, as it happened, we missed each other.

    But the part that tripped up your story, Puddybud, is this passage in your post @ 61 “GBS: Is your email the same as it was before? Mine is still the same, so you can email me.

    You see, Puddybud, and ladies and gentlemen of HA jury, Puddybud never, ever emailed me because he was scared of connecting with me. So he had “PacMan” email me.

    See the inconsistency in your story, Puddybud? You and I NEVER exchanged emails, only “PacMan” and I emailed each other. So, if your email is the same and I can email you then you are, in fact, “PacMan” and a liar, sir. A Liar. Not only did I use the term correctly, I used it well,

    And that’s why I should’ve been an attorney for the D.A.’s office.

    Remember that? “You Jean” wearing “Rook”-ie! And I do mean rookie.

  2. 2

    rhp6033 spews:

    The Bush administration has just weighed in on how to solve the transportation problems in U.S. cities. It wants to privatize U.S. roadways.

    WASHINGTON – Carpooling won’t do much to reduce U.S. highway congestion in urban areas, and a better solution would be to build new highways and charge drivers fees to use them, the White House said on Monday.

    “It is increasingly appropriate to charge drivers for some roadway use in the same way the private market charges for other goods and services,” the White House said in its annual report on the U.S. economy.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17119050/

    Of course, I’m expecting that some will argue that its just a proposal for toll lanes, like we have on many bridges and some highways, and the roads remain public so its not a privatization at all.

    But bear with me now. Many of the same people who oppose just about every public mass-transit system, as well as any general taxes to support highway improvements, also hate HOV lanes, but love the idea of toll lane where you buy a permit in order to use the lane.

    Why do they like it? Because for the price of a permit, they get to use a public facility that the holi paloi (less worthy) don’t get to use. And they get to get their faster.

    It’s kind of like the luxury boxes in the Key Arena. The public in general pays most of the cost for their construction, but by paying only a small additional cost, the box patrons get their own entrance to the game, a dedicated server to bring them food and drink (catered, if you request), and a chance to mingle in comfortable seats. Hey, they even bring you a half-time breakdown of the game, hand-delivered to the suite. Moving to the anaology of the road, the toll purchaser gets to wave at the thousands of other moterists (or give them the finger) as he drives by, with even a few restricted exits and entrances which only he and his similarly-situated brethern can use.

    Why does this bother me, if they are willing to pay the price? Because (a) I think public facilities should remain public, without discrimination based upon financial circumstances, (b) a taxpayer paying for toll roads will likely NEVER vote for a tax which will only help everyone else, and (c) it will remove ANY incentive to carpool, thereby making traffic that much worse for everyone else, (d) it will SLOW DOWN bus transit, as volumes in the HOV lanes increase, and (e) the increased traffic will make the HOV lanes impassable to emergency workers during an emergency.

    On the last point, I vividly remember the post-Thanksgiving snowstorm when I spent eight and a half hours trying to get from Bellevue to Everett on NB I-405. The freeway was blocked by collissions at the Woodinville interchange, nobody was moving, cars were running out of gas in the middle of the freeway, etc., and the roadsides also blocked with stalled cars. Why couldn’t emergency workers, sanding trucks, plows, etc. get through to clear the problems? Because everybody moved over to the carpool lanes at 7:00 PM, because a few people a few years ago were so outraged that they couldn’t use those lanes the DOT gave in and let them do it. So now NOBODY could move.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    So your prostate is crapping out on ya, Goldy? Welcome to the club, man. It’s called “middle age.” The symptoms of middle age are that your plumbing quits working, and pretty soon, everything else starts to go out, too.

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Did Ari Fleischer Lie On The Witness Stand?

    From today’s AP coverage of the Scooter Libby trial:

    “Another Post reporter, Walter Pincus, testified that then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer ‘”suddenly swerved off’ topic during an interview to tell him of her employment. This contradicted a point in Fleischer’s testimony last week.”

  5. 5

    proud leftist spews:

    The Dixie Chicks rule! The Refucklican suppressors of free speech can go lick their wounds and snivel in their lonely basements! All those anti-American, limp-dicked human hemorrhoids who pronounced the Chicks dead and buried can go stew in their own juices of bitterness and blindness. Long live the Chicks! None of us are ready to make nice after 6 years of fascist rule.

  6. 7

    GS spews:

    Oh no Oh no, next thing you know, there will be talking urinal cakes at the drinking Liberal meetings.

    This could be a disturdddding scenerio worthy of this legislatures EMERGENCY legislative regulation……

    Sorry gotta go

  7. 9

    Schvincter-tite'n'rite spews:

    re 2: It goes even further than you think. They’ve already sold the rights to the cash receipts on many of the nation’s toll roads. That means that all your cash goes directly to foreign governments and private interests.

    The neocons are traitors who are deliberately undermining the US.

  8. 10

    proud leftist spews:

    mac @ 8
    Excellent question. Talking urinal/toilet cakes need to be gender blind.

  9. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Well done, GBS! Your trap caught a rat! They’ll fall for the cheese every time.

  10. 13

    spews:

    The mental image of some drunk arguing with the urinal cake is now burned into my mind. Thanks, Goldy. Remind me to do something equally nice to for you someday.

    They need to be in the regular toilets too. A nice “surprise” for the next “commode-hugging” drunk.

  11. 14

    klake spews:

    After numerous rounds of “We don’t know if he is still alive”, Osama himself decided to send Ted Kennedy a letter in his own handwriting to let him know he was still alive.

    Kennedy opened the letter which appeared to contain a single line of coded message:

    370HSSV-0773H.

    Kennedy was baffled, so he e-mailed it to John Kerry. Kerry and his aides had no clue either, so they sent it to the FBI. No one could solve it at the FBI, so it went to the CIA, then to the NSA. With no clue as to its meaning, the NSA finally asked Marine Corps Intelligence for help.

    Within a few seconds the Marines cabled back with this reply:

    “Tell Kennedy he’s holding the message upside down.”

  12. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    America owes much of its prosperity to universal free public education, free public highways, rural electrification, and other taxpayer financed economic capital. Privatize everything and you end up with a third world economy.

  13. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Why does Bush care who pays for our highways, anyway? He’s planning to live in Paraguay after the indictments come down.

  14. 17

    proud leftist spews:

    Klake @ 14
    The joke doesn’t work. Ted Kennedy is far smarter than the proper butt of the joke, our esteemed president. Mr. Bush limits his reading to the backs of cereal boxes. Ted Kennedy has also done far more good for this nation than any ten current Republican senators combined. He made a mistake 40 years ago and you unforgiving bastards pretend that is the sum and substance of the man. He never launched an immoral war. Now, that is something unforgivable.

  15. 18

    Right Stuff spews:

    @17 c’mon now, funny is funny.
    If it makes you feel better, insert GWB, or Right Stuff or Roger Rabbit, Goldy, whomever. Funny is funny. Have you listened to Kennedy speak? Sometimes he sounds three sheets to the wind! And I’ll never say that GWB is an elegant speaker…It fits him too. lighten up.

  16. 21

    proud leftist spews:

    Right Stuff @ 20
    This may be good news–these pacts have a way of not quite coming off or working out. Certainly, some steps in the right direction have been made. And, John Bolton’s words should inform all of us why Bush never should have put him in any sort of policymaking role dealing with the rest of the world: “John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N., harshly criticized the deal and urged President Bush to reject it, saying it made the U.S. look weak.”

  17. 22

    spews:

    Right Stuff says:

    Off Topic but yoy have to admit this is good news

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/sun bin/stories/w-asia/2007/feb/12 /021206620.html

    Six party talks are working. The world wins.

    Hey, it’s an open thread.

    Yes, on the whole, this is good news. I’m just hoping that the “Decider” doesn’t take the advice of his former UN Ambassador.

    From the article:

    “John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N., harshly criticized the deal and urged President Bush to reject it, saying it made the U.S. look weak”

    One of the nice things about having such a low opinion of our President is that whenever he does anything right, it’s a very pleasant surprise.

    Please, Mr. Bush. Surprise me.

  18. 24

    harry poon spews:

    re 18: It’s not funny. It’s a slow train comin’. (You can see and hear it from a mile away and it’s no surprise when the punchline gets there.)I’d only feel the necessity to explain that phrase if a wingnut were involved.

    George Bush bears a strong resemblance to a chimp!

    NOW THAT’S FUNNY! GET IT?? hE LOOKS LIKE A CHIMP!

  19. 25

    Squirm, baby KILLERS spews:

    Hip Hop Singer Regrets Abortion – Calls It “Homicide” and “Murder”

    Flipsyde group’s music video: \”Happy Birthday…so make a wish\”

    By Meg Jalsevac

    SAN JOSE, CA, February 12, 2007, – A hip hop group entitled Flipsyde, led by the singer known as Piper, released a song in Dec. 2005 entitled \”Happy Birthday…so make a wish\” which voices the remorse and love that a father feels towards his unborn child who was killed by abortion. The music video of the song from Flipsyde’s album, “We the People”, was just brought to the attention of LifeSiteNews. It is an undeniable testament to the guilt and sadness that many fathers experience after losing their child to an abortion.

    The video portrays a young, black man staring through a chain link fence at an empty swing set and intermittently flashes to typical scenes in a young child’s life – playing ball with friends, going to school and hand-made Father’s Day cards.

    The song lyrics begin with the father asking his unborn child to “Please accept my apologies” and then continues to ask what the child would have been like had he been given the chance to live. Piper says in the song that every year he wonders these things and then moves to the touching opening lines of the chorus, “Happy Birthday. I love you whoever you would’ve been.”

    Piper recognizes the devastating truth of abortion calling it both “murder” and “homicide”. The song continues with Piper telling his dead child, “I paid for the murder before they determined the sex, choosing our life over your life meant your death.” And, “I got a million excuses, as to why you died. And other people got their own reasons for homicide. Who\’s to say it would\’ve worked and who\’s to say it wouldn\’t have – I was young and struggling, but old enough to be a dad.”

    Piper goes on to ask if the smiles of the younger brother who was allowed to live is actually “you proudly knowing that your father\’s doing the right thing now.”

    The lyrics of the song express belief in life as a gift from God and the heavenly after-life, despite the fact that the unborn child was not given the opportunity to experience life outside the womb saying, “And from the Heavens to the womb to the Heavens again. From the ending to the ending, never got to begin. Maybe one day we can meet face to face, in a place without time and space. Happy birthday.”

    The song concludes acknowledging the brutal reality of abortion: “Happy Birthday / What I thought was a dream / Make a wish / Was as real as it seemed / I made a mistake.”

    The Flipsyde song portrays a similar message to Nick Cannon’s song entitled, “Can I Live.” as reported previously by LifeSiteNews.com. Cannon’s 2005 hit was heralded by pro-life groups everywhere as touching tribute to mothers who choose life for their unborn children. The music video to Cannon’s song follows what the viewer is to perceive as Cannon’s own mother as she tries to procure an abortion and then changes her mind and chooses life for her unborn child who is Cannon himself.

    Similarly, country singer Kenny Rogers sang “Water and Bridges” which also tells of the guilt that fathers endure after their child is aborted.

    Flipsyde is a relatively new hip hop group that appears to be better known in Europe than in America. While several of their songs seem to have a Christian influence in the content of the lyrics, they are not a “Christian hip-hop” group. In fact, their debut album which includes the song “Happy Birthday” has a parental advisory notice for offensive language in other songs.

    Watch the Flipsyde \”Happy Birthday…so make a wish\” video:
    http://video.google.com/videop.....1186397914

    The complete lyrics to \”Happy Birthday…so make a wish”:

    Happy Birthday. So make a wish.

    Please accept my apologies, I wonder what would have been.
    Would you have been a little angel or an angel of sin?
    Tom-boy running around, hanging with all the guys.
    Or a little tough boy with beautiful brown eyes.
    I paid for the murder before they determined the sex,
    choosing our life over your life meant your death.
    And you never got a chance to even open your eyes,
    sometimes I wonder as a fetus if you fought for your life.
    Would you have been a little genius? In love with math?
    Would you have played in your school clothes and made me mad?
    Would you have been a little rapper like your poppa The Piper?
    Would you have made me quit smoking by finding one of my lighters?
    I wonder about your skin tone and shape of your nose,
    and the way you would\’ve laughed and talked fast or slow.
    I think about it every year, so I picked up a pen.
    Happy birthday, I love you whoever you would\’ve been.

    Happy Birthday
    What I thought was a dream
    Make a wish
    Was as real as it seemed

    I made a mistake

    I got a million excuses, as to why you died.
    And other people got their own reasons for homicide.
    Who\’s to say it would\’ve worked and who\’s to say it wouldn\’t have
    I was young and struggling, but old enough to be a dad.
    The fear of being my father has never disappeared,
    I ponder it frequently while I\’m sippin\’ on my beer.
    My vision of a family was artificial and fake
    so when it came time to create, I made a mistake.
    But now you got a little brother, maybe it\’s really you.
    Maybe you really forgave us knowing we were confused.
    Maybe, every time that he smiles it\’s you proudly knowing
    that your father\’s doing the right thing now.
    I\’ll never tell a woman what to do with her body,
    but if she don\’t love children, then we can\’t party.
    I think about it every year, so I picked up a pen.
    Happy birthday, I love you whoever you would\’ve been.

    Happy Birthday
    What I thought was a dream
    Make a wish
    Was as real as it seemed

    I made a mistake

    And from the Heavens to the womb to the Heavens again.
    From the ending to the ending, never got to begin.
    Maybe one day we can meet face to face,
    in a place without time and space. Happy birthday.

    What I thought was a dream
    Make a wish
    Was as real as it seemed

    I made a mistake

  20. 28

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    GBS I am sorry for your loss of a friend. . .even if he was false from the get-go. I am an outsider, but there were just too many inconsistencies in Darrell’s story in the parts that are publicly accessable.
    When I called him on claiming to have bought you lunch, recently, This was not the first time he had made that claim. And not the first time I had called him on it. . . . .I could find it, you were not posting at the time as I recall, but frankly, I am sick of this wingnuts posts.
    A little research comparing posts on both HA and (Un)Sound Politics early on in the election controversy will lead you to Darrell’s true identity. No, Darrell, I am not outing you. I told you that you outed yourself. Along the way you may find that “Pac Man” moved to the Northwest considerably earlier than Darrell (I mean Puddy) so conveniently told you.
    Yes, Darrell, “Froggy” is dumb, sure, dumb, that is so dumb he just wouldn’t believe your BS.

    And as a final note, to Carl: I’ve never seen any evidence that Darrell, or Puddy, or whatever, has ever been married. I’m not saying he’s not. . .I’m just saying that I’ve never seen that evidence. And I certainly cannot accept anything he says as proof.

  21. 29

    pbj spews:

    You know the liberals really have something with this new “science” they have invented where you “predict” all possible outcomes and declare you are right about the “science” and use that to push your political agenda. So let me introduce my “Correlated Relationship of Atmoshperic Politics” a unifying theory of liberal politics and enviromental climate change.

    The theory starts with the fact that liberals cannot get elected by espousing what they truly believe, so they must mask their intentions to the public and electorate in order to gain power to enact those liberal policies that would fail at the ballot box.

    Research evidence has shown that liberals are ignorant, foul mouthed and hungry for power. They have little hope of convincing voters to vote for their anti-capitalist, anti-American agenda . Under CRAP theory, it is inevitable that living standard of Americans will head southward as the “solutions” to the global warming theory are implemented.

    And of course every correct theory must be able to make accurate predictions. PBJ’s Correlated Relationship of Atmoshperic Politics also has predicitons that offer “evidence” that this theory is in fact true. Prediction #1: The more media hype given to the liberal global warming theory, the more monies will flow into “research” grants to academic institutions, a liberal bastion. Prediction #2: The more media hype given to ignorant liberals with no scientific background whatsoever (such as Al Gore) who espouse the liberal global warming theory, the more “credible” such non-credible politicians will seem. The fact that such politicians as Al Gore once stood with Tobacco Farmers and told them he was “once of them” and a few years later used the the death of his sister from smoking to ingratiate himself with the crowd at the 1996 Democrat convention will be soon forgotten. No one will ever ask Al Gore where he did his post graduate work in atmospheric science. Prediction #3: Internationally, fake agreements such as Kyoto will be created and the US will be urged to sign on. Drastic measures that curb economic prosperity will be proposed in the name of preventing climat echange. Of course, as with KYOTO, none of the non US signatories will meet or even come close to meeting their obligations under the treaty but the US will be the only nation in which this will be an issue.

    You will know the CRAP theory is true and accurate as it predicts the sun will shine somewhere in the world at least once a day, night will fall somewhere in the world at least once a day, somehwere in the world it will be hotter that somewhere else in the world, somewhere in the world it will be colder than somewhere else in the world and liberals will always lie, cheat or steal to grab power.

  22. 30

    Puddybud spews:

    Ahhh yes GBS. You email me and you’ll meet PacMan and me at your favorite haunt.

    In fact I just called PacMan and left him a message.

    Frightened of you. Nope. Try another excuse.

    So you think I’m lying. So you didn’t think we went to Uwajimaya, and looked for you at your Sushi Bar? Well you are DEAD WRONG. Remember PacMan posted from CA. I posted from WA. Hmmm…? How did I do dat? But for someone I truly can spar with to doubt me…

    VERY HEAVY SIGH

    Well, when can we meet you? You have $20 of Sushi to eat. I have the 21st or the 22nd free at lunch. I will crossreference with PacMan. He is no figment of my imagination. It will be awfully funny when you gulp and see him. In fact I might invite a whole bunch of Moonbat!s so you all can touch us. If you want I’ll show you the right knee.

    FroggyASS you can come two. I want to see yo puny beatch ASS.

    Clueless, if you can figure where it is (cluelessness) you can come.

    Meet two black men who left the reservation.

    And I may have a surprise for you too.

  23. 31

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Mellaril, Darell, Mellaril. Check it out. You want some. You really need some.

  24. 32

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW GBS:

    This is no bluff. In fact tell me where you work and I’ll stop by and pick you up from your job, eat at the Sushi bar and take you back to work. Shucks, I’ll sit next to the Great Navy Seal. You seem to forget I tutored some in college. I’ll tell you again all about it.

    FroggyASS: Care to show up? Clear your calendar. BTW you’ll need to tell me your real name. I know GBS’ first name.

  25. 33

    Puddybud spews:

    FroggyASS, We’re meeting GBS. Bring your Sorry ASS downtown Seattle.

    I’ll even control myself. Can you?

  26. 34

    Puddybud spews:

    I have to go Froggy. I’m in my busy part of the year. Staying on ASSes takes time from me making monay

    Can you say cha-ching?

    GBS – you know how to contact me. If you forgot, contact FroggyASS, he knows eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverything!

  27. 36

    rhp6033 spews:

    Yes, it is indeed good news that North Korea seems to be agreeing to shut down their nuclear reactors in exchange for – oil. Allow us all to take a moment to breath a sigh of relief, and I even offer a hearty “congratulations” to all involved. Hey, I’ll even give Bush a little credit for whatever he might have done, or just for not getting involved, if it contributed to the accord. God knows, he needs a little success now and then.

    (five-minute pause for a semi-quiet celebration, including back-slapping, and even a few high-fives).

    Now that we’ve got that behind us, let us take a moment to point out that a decade ago, Clinton had a similar agreement in place, N. Korea had its nuclear programs sealed (we promised to help them construct a reactor which couldn’t be used to produce weapons-grade fuel), all in exchange for – FOOD. This program was ROUNDLY CRITICIZED by the right wing Republicans, who laughed at Clinton as being wimpy in his dealins with N. Korea, and that he should never had “propped up” the regime with food aid, and alleged that N. Korea “must be” cheating on its nuclear program, (presumably based on intelligence which was similar to that showing Iraq to be using its nuclear program to produce WMDs).

    So in 2001 when Bush came into office, one of the first things they did was suspend the food aid program to N. Korea. By 2003 N. Korea was already making plans to re-start their nuclear program, which culminated in a semi-succesful underground test last year.

    Now, Kim Il Sung is a wild card, scarily unpredictable, and you certainly can’t trust him any further than you can throw him. But as Ronald Reagan said, “trust, but verify”, and do whatever it takes to find a way to survive the next twenty years or so without a nuclear war.

    But you have to wonder which program “propped up” the N. Korean military more – food aid (under the Clinton program), or oil (under the Bush program). And which program benefits the U.S. people more – buying produce from our farmers and sending it to N. Korea, or buying oil from the Saudis and sending it to N. Korea? And who benefits when the price of oil goes up because of increased consumption in N. Korea – the oil companies, of course, and IRAN, which derives a considerable amount of its national revenue from oil sales.

    And speaking of IRAN, now that it has started its own nuclear program, what will we now offer them in exchange for shutting down the program – oil?

  28. 37

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud @ 30, 32, 33, 34:
    OK, you’re on. Wednesday, Feb. 21st. 11: 30 am. We’ll meet at the entrance to Uwajimaya that faces the parking lot (south side of the building.)
    Let me just say short and sweet to anyone and everyone who shows up; I’m in no mood to be fucked with by ANYONE, for any reason. Things will get sideways beyond belief at the drop of a hat. I could give a shit if you came with Puddybud, PacMan or just decided to show up on your own. Do NOT even think of playing ANY games with me.

    Puddybud:
    This part is for you and you’ll understand my reluctance to believe you 100%. This exchange was from March 22, 2006, DAILY OPEN THREAD my post @ 107: You can read the entire thread if you wish the relevant posts are 37, 59, 65, 76, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111.

    A copy and paste from March 22, 2006, DAILY OPEN THREAD my post @ 107: It clearly refers to an open thread dated 3/13/06 that I couldn’t make the lunch date 2 weeks in advance.
    ”Here’s me at on the “Daily Open Thread” for 3/13/06. At the point of the comment by me, we had NOT confirmed any meeting date, place or time, which, by the way, was one week ago. So show me where we confirmed a meeting time TWO weeks ago. If you have info to the contrary please post it here and I WILL pay for you and PacMan.
    Here’s my comment and how you responded afterwards with my follow up response.
    189:
    Hey, I’m going Europe for 3 weeks and won’t be back until mid April. I’ve got a million things to do between now and my departure date, but when I get back you, me, and PacMan will have to get together and break bread.
    You still owe me, bud.
    Commentby GBS— 3/14/06@ 4:25 pm

    Your response, Puddybud:
    193:
    GBS: Noooooo, we were looking to meet with you next week. I said I was back the week of March 19. PacMan and I talked today. He was in South Seattle for the day. Are you still in town midweek or are you leaving Sunday?
    Commentby Puddybud— 3/14/06@ 6:43 pm
    Me at 194:
    I’m leaving on evening of the 24th on British Airways to London. The family and I are going to spend some a few days in London then head down to Florence, Italy for 10 days. I have a passion for the Medachi art collection that I must see.
    Then, we’re headed over to the Costa Del Sol in Spain for a week, then back to London for a few more days before we head home.
    I’ve got a ton of personal and business stuff to take care of before I leave and my days are pretty well spoken for. There’s an outside chance on the 21st, but it’s slim. I’ll keep you posted.
    Commentby GBS— 3/15/06@ 11:45 am
    Now show me where I confirmed a meeting date, time, or place?
    Chickened out, my arse. I’ll let you pay your debt when I get back. And next time let’s have mutual confirmation.”

    Puddybud, you knew at least 1 week before we met I couldn’t make the lunch. Yet, you told “Voter Advocate” at post 65 that we had “firm” date. This is not true and you know it. Plus, if you care to go back and read those posts at that time we clearly mentioned that I’d have to contact you vai an email with PacMan. I know they exist because I read them today.

    So the reasons I have a certain level of distrust in your words is because:
    A) You told Voter Advocate @ 65 we had a firm date, when clearly we did not.
    B) PacMan is the only person I ever emailed directly form this blog with the exception of Goldy.
    C) Forget any surprises as mentioned in your comment to TFF at your post 30. It won’t be well received, but it will be reciprocated.
    See you then.
    GBS

  29. 39

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: We’ll meet at 11:30 at the South Entrance. PacMan will be there. Just got off the phone with him. I look forward to the look on your face! Can I use my camera phone?

    Uh no I didn’t know about the week before because I DO NOT READ EVERY THREAD. And… I deflected the conversation PURPOSELY because your friends, these Moonbat!s can’t search the Internet. I’ll never give these egalitarianistic libtards nuthin! I figured you copied it. I don’t need to copy anything since I know how to correctly create a search string. Remember I do this for a living!

    Since I am a nice guy, I’ll even throw in and extra $5 for usury (libtards call it interest) so you can eat $25 of Sushi on me! See you next Wednesday and I’ll give you a hug.

    Good day!

  30. 40

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud,

    I can’t wait to see the look on your face, either.

    Uhhhh, YES! you did know a week before that I wasn’t going to meet with you. I’ll repost the comment YOU wrote one more time, not that it makes a difference now, but YES you did know a week before last time. Check the time/date stamp on YOUR comment. The question isn’t if you read something or not, clearly you did as evidenced by YOUR response the week PRIOR.

    Your response, Puddybud:
    193:
    GBS: Noooooo, we were looking to meet with you next week. I said I was back the week of March 19. PacMan and I talked today. He was in South Seattle for the day. Are you still in town midweek or are you leaving Sunday?
    Commentby Puddybud— 3/14/06@ 6:43 pm

    Now, why would you be objecting by saying “Noooooo, we were looking to meet with you next week,” if you were under the impression we were MEETING still on for a meeting the following week?

    As far as the camera phone, not so much. Hug? That’s OK as long as there’s no inapporporate Mark Foley kind of touching.

    BTW, I understand that two black guys hanging out in front of Uwajimaya asking each passing white guy if they’re GBS, might draw unwanted attention from the poh-lice. So I’ll be the 5’11, 185lbs, red-headed white guy asking if you’re Puddybud and PacMan, the Dynamic-Duo.