1. 2

    FricknFrack spews:

    In my meanderings, reading many Alaska folks’ comments about how Palin’s husband was always sitting in on meetings or cc:d emails. Well, this site was kind of curious:

    Shadow Governor?

    “In the aftermath of the Walt Monegan firing, one question keeps surfacing over and over again; why does the governor’s husband, Todd Palin appear to hold so much power?

    After all, Nancy Murkowski or Susan Knowles were never accused of pressuring a commissioner or inappropriately sitting in on meetings that should have been private.

    The stories started last year when Representative Ralph Samuels told me about going into a meeting, he thought would be private, with Governor Sarah Palin. Much to his surprise, Todd Palin was there and proceeded to sit through the entire meeting.

    Other lawmakers have shared similar stories and were shocked at how inappropriate Todd’s presence was at meetings with the governor. Yesterday on the Dan Fagan Show, Representative Jay Ramras mentioned that Todd was working lawmakers offices during the ACES debate. …”

    Perhaps Palin or her Husband don’t feel confident that she can manage the Governors job on her own? Personally, I’m just wondering, Who is minding all them Kids at home?

  2. 3

    FricknFrack spews:

    @ 2, be sure to read the comments at that website I mentioned. VERY interesting also.

  3. 4

    Zed spews:

    I guess we have to play for 2012, but major damage will have been done already during the four McCain years that we wont be able to reverse. I wish we could have won this year.

  4. 5

    David spews:

    Sarah Palin doesn’t hate Jesus and black people. She just thinks she’s better than them.

  5. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 The kind of women who hang out in hockey rinks aren’t better than anyone.

  6. 7

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Just shows you how far out of touch with reality the Xtian Rethugs have gotten.

  7. 8

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow you all are

    S C A R E D

    of her.

    Interesting comment on 130 Present votes: “We don’t have a ‘present’ button as governor – we are expected to lead, we are expected to take action and not just vote ‘present,'” said Palin, who is in her first term as Alaska’s governor. “So there’s a big difference, of course, between the executive and legislative branches and our experience.”

  8. 9

    Puddybud spews:

    You hero is being identified BIG TIME: “Asked who was to blame, the spokeswoman said, “You want me to tick through all the stuff that’s been ticking through all the blogs the past few days? What about the stuff that was on Daily Kos, that rumor that was spread?””

    Maybe that’s why he took it down but Google has cached it BIG TIME.

  9. 10

    Puddybud spews:

    Now we see how Cindy McCain is a humanitarian forming the American Voluntary Medical Team.

    She brought home two sick girls. No Angelina Jolie or Madonna fanfare.

    So bybygoober, while Cindy McCain was performing volunteer humanitarian work overseas, helping people in Bangladesh, Republic of Georgia, Zaire, Micronesia, Rwanda, Vietnam, you were home jerking off into one of those pumps.

    Now we really know why you hate her so much.

    J E A L O U S Y

  10. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    Direct from the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbat!s news source:

    Us Magazine paying the price for their lying cover.

    “(Us publisher) Jann Wenner supports Obama, Wenner media decided to follow the buzz around Palin before her speech, and now subscribers feel like a vote has been cast on their behalf,” says another magazine editor. “It’s going to be tough to bounce back from this one. Especially if the advertisers get involved. If they get nervous, that can hurt all of us.”

  11. 12

    Puddybud spews:

    Looks like 40 MM watch Sarah Palin.

    Direct from the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbat!s news source:

    “BET, TV One, Univision and Telemundo — four networks that didn’t cover Palin’s speech.”

    Golly BET was that racism or sexism?

  12. 13


    Democrats are in for a tough time. They don’t know what to do. They’ve messed up already because their world has been turned upside down, so now they’re in the position of sounding like traditional Republicans by saying women should stay at home and tend to babies, while the Republicans are now the party of feminism.

  13. 14

    Puddybud spews:

    Megyn Kelly whom you all drooled over last week took apart the Us Magazine editor.

    If you can’t click the Google search “Megyn Kelly Us Magazine Editor transcript” you’ll have about 11,000+ to choose from.

    He was

    D E S T R O Y E D

    by Megyn. Beautiful and intelligent. Who do you guys have a “beauties”…oh yeah Helen Thomas, Eleanor Clift, Adriana Huffington, Cokie Roberts, Gloria Borger etc.

    Gloria Borger was the CNN lady I referred to yesterday making those wise cracks for Obama while Alex Castellanos was speaking about Palin.

    The leftist MSM is in the tank for Obama.

  14. 15

    Puddybud spews:

    Troll: I already posted the Chicago columnist who said Obama blew it when he chose Biden over Hillary.

    Now you notice all the female Moonbat! pundits claiming the Hillary supporters will come home to Obama because the soccer moms will be “offended” by a mooose hunting, hockey mom?

    Too funny!

  15. 16



    It’s really amazing. You have long-time Democratic feminists calling Palin a bad mother for not staying home to raise her babies, exposing them for putting partisanship over women’s rights. In that context, it makes the vague slogan “Country First” more understandable. The Republicans have positioned themselves as being the party that’s working toward making America better, and the Democrats are being exposed as being the party that will put partisanship above core feminist values.

  16. 17


    One week ago this election was largely a vote on the war. If you’re against the war vote for Obama, if you’re for the war, vote for McCain. That’s history. The Republicans have flipped things on their head. They’ve co-opted the change message, and the Democrats now need to come up with a reply, quick.

  17. 18

    Another TJ spews:

    Democrats are in for a tough time. They don’t know what to do. They’ve messed up already because their world has been turned upside down, so now they’re in the position of sounding like traditional Republicans by saying women should stay at home and tend to babies, while the Republicans are now the party of feminism.

    Name one Democrat who has argued this about Palin. The only person I’ve heard make this argument has been Laura Ingraham.

    The Democrats have argued against her policy positions and qualifications, not her family life, and the McCain campaign implicitly has admitted the Dems are correct in their critiques. If Palin were ready for prime time, the campaign would not have announced that she will only do scripted events and not take any questions.

  18. 19

    YLB spews:

    Stupes is a big Limpblows fan – that’s where he got “testicle lock box” from.

    He used to say “FUWA” all the time – got it from MTR.

    He still says “libtard” from time to time – got it from robtard.

    Stupes is full of right wing bullshit – a second hand shop of worn out wingnut lies.

    Did the ‘Mat-Su Barbie’ bring you back home Stupes?

  19. 21



    Not going to get side-tracked by you. Not going to play that game of “name one person who said ….” I’m a political and social scientist. (And now a Community Organizer in the comment section of Horses Ass). I look at the big picture.

  20. 23

    Another TJ spews:

    @ 21,

    Asking for an example of what you claim is happening is getting “side-tracked.” I see. Facts are a distraction, evidently.

    Mr. Manweller, thank you for your “contribution” to this discussion.

  21. 24

    Ekim spews:

    First Troll is a democrat, now he is a political and social scientist. Next thing you know, he’ll be a “scientific creationism” scientist.

  22. 25

    Ekim spews:

    You know, Repugnant Retards never want their world view distorted by the facts. Facts are just inconvenient truths they feel best to ignore.

  23. 26

    blue john spews:

    Have you noticed the right wing base on HA has been especially vitriolic over the last few days?

  24. 27

    YLB spews:

    The “Mat-Su Barbie” has really riled up the base – she has given them the signal that they don’t have to hide their true nature – violent, power-hungry, mean, vindictive.

  25. 28

    Steve spews:

    The markets tanked following Palin’s speech. They tank again today following McCain’s speech. The DOW is down nearly 500 points in two days. Why does Wall Street hate Republicans?

  26. 29

    Rujax! spews:

    COME ON!!!

    THIS is the best you rethuglicants can do???

    Holy. Fucking. Shit.

    You all are in worse shape than I thought.


  27. 31

    Steve spews:

    McCain rightly trashed the Bush administration last night. He presented a good argument for throwing the bums out. Unfortunately for McCain and the Republicans, America perceives McCain-Palin as the candidates who will only give us four more years of the same failed Republican policies – indeed a Bush third term.

  28. 32

    Steve spews:

    Palin will take no questions from the press for the remainder of the campaign. She will only appear at closed, scripted events. This is a very good strategy.

  29. 33

    T.J. spews:

    Caribou Barbie will tarnish very quickly now that the RNC show is over.

    @18, our views as Democrats have not changed regarding working mothers. Most Democratic mothers do work outside the home. The problem with Caribou Barbie is that she is still nursing her special needs child and will be on the campaign trail for the next six weeks. She also knew very well that her daughter’s pregnancy would be spotlighted if she were on the ticket. Thanks Mom! Just what every 17 year old wants to have happen. That sounds like family values to me!

  30. 34

    Rudy spews:

    In this media savy world, fast moving in hours and days – the dog fight message of running aginst Bush i inspid and vapid.

    Bush is not on the ballot. He is almost forgotten by tens of millions of voters. It is now a sidesep of the real contest for Obama to even mention him – won’t work any more.

    Obama took on all the old hacks that like Biden, god oh god, what a mistake.

    90 per cent of American know that this is a direct fight between Mc Cain and Obama – head to head in a classic hard fougt political congtest.

    Mc Cain is so canny and that is coming across – Obama turns out to be a lot of the sameold, same old.

    Sarah Palin had to be the choice in that when Barry fucked himself by not taking Clinton, the obvious route to victory was for Johnny to pick a women. I explained this strategy over and over to political friends for three weeks before it happened. All of Barry’s high paid consultants could not see the road to victory – geez.

    Palin scored BIG time at the convention – she is shrewed, well spoken, telegenic and fearless. And some of her accomplishment leave no question as in talking back to big oil, getting more royaties and THEN rebating the windfall, 1,200.00 per Alaskan. PLEASE SEARCH FOR ME, WHEN DID ANY FO YOU GET A CHECK FROM ANY STATE CAPITOL WHEN THEY HAD A BIg SURPLUS, TALK ABOUT SMART POLITICAL LEADER.

    Viewer stats of her speech a almost unbelievable – in three days interest mounted so she had a record level audience – and a total unknown. America has tken to her. She is the Frontier Woman, like our grndmothers coming to the West.

    And then theNatural Gas pipline. If hot air could get new energy into our cities, here would be no deficit of clean fuel. This project has been talked about for THIRTY YEARS< PALIN SEALDED HE TWENTY BILLION PROJECT _ NAURAL GAS FLOWINT TO CITIES



  31. 35

    YellowPup spews:

    @32: She will still have to appear at the debates, but the bar will be high for Biden and low for Palin in a number of ways: sympathy will be with Palin as the political outsider and hockey mom, and suspicion/expectation will be on Biden as the skilled debater and senator.

    Remember what happened in the 2000 VP debate between Cheney and Lieberman: the conventional wisdom was that Lieberman would mop the floor with Cheney (who is a dull speaker when not telling his audience to go F themselves), but Lieberman is actually pretty boring himself, Cheney was the (perceived) outsider against the US senator, and Cheney got a couple of memorable zingers in. This was all he needed.

    Kerry won both debates in 04, but it didn’t matter because by then the Republicans had whispered Kerry to death, and Kerry had been photographed skiing and wind surfing.

  32. 36

    MrToby PDX spews:

    The only problem I see Palin creating for the Dems is that she has awakened the Curstun riechwing. Until she was farted out of McCain’s ass, it was looking like they would not vote as a block as they usually do or would vote for a third party candidate.

    It won’t bother them that she is a lying party whore because she is one of them. She had the retarded baby and that is all it takes for them to vote for McCain and then pray that “God takes him”.

    They won’t be phased by the inconsistencies in her rhetoric vs reality or the fact that her idea of reform is to off anyone who disagrees with her fascist beliefs.

  33. 37

    messenger spews:

    Palin is being skewered by the Anchorage Daily News in an editorial, about how she is stalling on the Troopergate investigation. A while back she said “Hold me accountable”, but now she is trying to keep the legislature from issuing subpoenas in that investigation. Sounds like a real ethics reformer to me!

    If even her hometown newspapers are railing against her, she’s got a problem.

  34. 38

    Charlie Kee spews:

    I was NEVER going to vote for McCain .. really thought I would sit this one out but Palin changes everything. Look at this:

    1, Palin stood up to Big Oil and made them pay for the privilege of drilling in Alaska. Why didn’t Obama propose this? Because he lives in the ivory tower of like minded people who don’t even fill their own gas tanks.

    Obama reminds me of Mary Antoinette … her “Let them eat cake” in his mouth would be “Let them inflate their tires.”

    2, Palin TAKES HER BIBLE SERIOUSLY. Obama SAYS he is a “Christian.” What does he mean by that? Does he believe in the literal word? Does he believe children have the right to be told the real truth .. as revealed by God? Or is his “Christianity” a political convenience?

    3. Palin makes Michelle look like Jackie Kennedy. Can anyone imagine Michele on a hunting expedition with the Guv?

    This is what we can look forward to under a McCain/Palin four years ….

    Imagine SP with: the Pope, praying! Now try t imagne the same thing with Biden or Obama?

    She will take the faux femmes apart. Most demo women are really demi dykes! Lesbo Dems beware! Gregoire? Be real!

    McC will giver her the oil portfolio. Imagine her negotiating with Chavez. The Latin men have never seen a babe like this!

    And for the apex:

    McCain is sick, he gets nursed by his VEEP. She announces he has turned power over t her and asks the nation ot pray for her ………….

  35. 39

    Charlie Kee spews:

    The Anchorage News???

    Yu know who owns them??? They have as much influence in Alaska as saran wrap!

    BTW ..

    anybody get around to asking how much New Jersey mafia money Biden has skimmed?

  36. 40

    Charlie Kee spews:

    I want to see a pic of Obama in the surf vs. Palin in a bikini!

    Guess who wins?

  37. 42

    YLB spews:

    McCain would have truly sunk himself in the muck if he chose Lieberman or Pawlenty.

    Choosing Palin gives the base a reason to rise from their barcaloungers.

    But too many will show up at the polls this November to throw the bums out to make a difference.

  38. 43

    Puddybud spews:

    Another TJ asks: “Name one Democrat who has argued this about Palin. The only person I’ve heard make this argument has been Laura Ingraham.”

    Try leftist MSM Democrat Brian Williams when he interviewed ex-GOP Gov Jane Smart yester at 1:00 PM EDT.

    Or how about the CNN gang? Or, how about the leftist pinhead blog sites fer instance?

    I posted it ATJ, I guess you were drinking Steve’s Stupid Solution?

  39. 44

    Puddybud spews:

    yelling loser boy asks again: 20.Hmmm.. Bummer eh Stupes?

    My response again: With the leftist MSM tanking Obama, the public has been swayed. Now the fun begins. Biden was the wrong choice. Hillary was the better choice, even Chicago columnists agree yelling loser boy!

  40. 45

    demo kid spews:

    @44: Clinton would have been the dumbest choice ever. Obama needed a strong consiglieri in the second chair, and not a rival. Why is it that moron conservatives want to suggest otherwise? Are you just insecure?

  41. 46

    Puddybud spews:

    As the inventor of Steve’s Stupid Solution, pelase tell us where you received this divine missive:

    32. Steve spews: Palin will take no questions from the press for the remainder of the campaign. She will only appear at closed, scripted events. This is a very good strategy.

    Please Steve, show us Steve’s Stupid Solution has a short half-life…

  42. 47

    Puddybud spews:

    I remember this “debate” argument between Bush and Kerry. Kerry was the great debater.

    Hmmm… didn’t work out to well back then did it no matter what YellowPup says above? So all are putting your hopes into a big time bloviator? A man who can’t answer a simple question without giving his life history?

    BTW, are you all afraid Obama will fail against McCain? i noticed the lack of Obama McCain debate passion here.

  43. 48

    Puddybud spews:

    Why did Obama claim he’d debate McCain any place any time yet ran when McCain challenged him to some town hall debates in June and July?

    Well we see the fine example of Obama thinking on his feet at Saddleback Church. – Deeeeeeelicious!

    Wait a minute… Obama was sitting on his butt at Saddleback…

  44. 49

    Charlie Kee spews:

    Puddy …

    Sarah changes everything. We have God on our side!

    There is no way God wants an atheist as president!

  45. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Where is the HA talking point bybygoober?

    Now we’ve seen the real Cindy McCain, bybygoober is MIA – Moron in Absentia.

    bybygoober, your shtick died last night when you saw what she’s done in humanitarian activities, forming a volunteering agency, traveling the world to participate in relief efforts, adopting a child who had a cleft palate.

    I realize this is tough for you to swallow since the Kos man-juice is your continual protein drink. So man up and tell us some more fictitious stories you know about her humanitarian activities.

  46. 51

    Puddybud spews:

    dummo kid: I didn’t suggest, a leftist Chi-town columnist suggested it. I posted the link for yelling loser boy to read. It wasn’t from a righty web site because you all know yelling loser boy is

    S C A R E D

    to visit anything right of Whoopi Goldberg.

    Do you have problems reading?

  47. 52


    Hi, Puddy.

    Not much time today, but one point you made deserves a straight answer.

    “Why did Obama claim he’d debate McCain any place any time yet ran when McCain challenged him to some town hall debates in June and July?”

    How about because helping your cash-strapped opponent get free air time when your message is getting out and his isn’t is bad politics?

    You’ll notice that I’m not trying to give some sort of high moral answer. Simple pragmatism.

    Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are demanding (as loudly as they can) debates for this very reason. They do not have the resources to get their message out otherwise.

    We’ll get three debates, which is sufficient to highlight the differences between the candidates. More than that becomes a way for the the candidates with less resources to overcome the advantage of those with more.

    Frankly, I don’t see that as a bad thing, but as the candidate with the strongest campaign, I understand why Senator Obama chooses not to give up that advantage.

  48. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    So John Barelli@52, your candidate runs around America claiming he’ll debate John McCain yet he doesn’t because it will get John McCain additional presidential funds and you call that pragmatism?

    If you are so great an orator, your debating skillz shoudld shutdown the money flow by making your opponent look worthless.

    Rick Warren did that really well at Saddleback. Did you miss it? It was a disaster.

    And if you remember Andrea Mitchell a leftist MSM supporter said McCain cheated. Well we found out later – “Pastor Rick Warren, in an effort to increase the candidates’ comfort level with his pioneering format, gave each of them a heads-up on several of the hardest questions he asked Saturday night during his “the Saddleback Civil Forum on the presidency.”

    A source close to Warren tells the candidates knew in advance they would be asked their own greatest moral failure, America’s greatest moral failure, and the three wisest people in their lives.

    The source said Obama also knew he would be asked if he’d be willing to commit to an emergency plan for orphans, like President Bush has for AIDS. GIVE OBAMA CREDIT FOR ANSWERING CANDIDLY: “I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea.””

    So if some of the questions were know ahead of time why did Obama stumble and stutter most of his hour?

    But John, you forget: “John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.” So why did Obama reject that notion?

    Did you remember the DUmmys commentary?

    DUmmys Democratic Underground Moronic Moonbat! Yellings

    Do you remember this DU thread? “I won’t win cool points for this, but McCain is doing excellent so far, better than Obama,” expresses something less than a vote of confidence for Obama.

    …I honestly can’t remember hardly any of Senator Obama’s answers to the questions that were asked, while McCain has had at least SOME memorable answers.

    I think it was a mistake for Senator Obama to do this forum.

    I’ve been shocked at how well McCain has done compared to what I was expecting. That very well could be it.

    I don’t know why Obama went there – he comes across as a poor second to our “McZero the hero”.”

  49. 54

    YLB spews:

    i noticed the lack of Obama McCain debate passion here.

    Funny I thought it was reluctance to respond to insane tiresome right wing bullshit artists.

    The desperation on the right is too funny.

  50. 55

    YLB spews:

    With the leftist MSM tanking Obama, the public has been swayed.

    So is the public so gullible? They made the “right” (wing) choice in 2000 and 2004 (with a lot of vote suppression help) and they’re making the wrong one now? Because of the “librul MSM”?

    You really think people are that stupid? Anyone who thinks like this is ready to be committed.

    I’ve hung out here too long. Some people are just plain nuts and when you respond to them, even if only to mock them, you kind of validate them.

    But that’s the nature of the medium – the blog comment thread.

  51. 56

    YLB spews:

    Do you remember this DU thread?

    I can’t remember anytime when someone on my side of the aisle quoted DU comment threads here. Not that they’re bad, I wouldn’t know, I’ve only been there a handful of times to laugh at the top 10 right wing idiots.

    The only one is Stupes, the terminally stupid.

  52. 57

    Charlie Kee spews:

    Puddy on Saddleback

    Puddy, as usual you are right on. At Saddleback waht we saw was the future! That future is an ordinary guy, Rick Warren feeding scrapoes to a per … Obama!

    Obama was impressive, kinda like my accountant! You know the guy? He has an English degree form Yale and an MBA from WAZU. Big fucking deal, he works for me and I graduated, barely, Gonzaga!

    Why does this Jewish guy work for me? Because I have money! Obama will end up the same .. workign for some smart white dude, probably in a lobbyist’s office where he cn be put on show as “that smart black guy” who ran for President!

    I can just see it now … Shaikh ben Hussein will have a sports party to watch his mew basketball team, and invite his bud Brack along to do “color.”

    That is what intellectuals are good for. Give me the ordoinary wisdom of Reagan any day over a smart ass. whether it is Obama, Carter, or any of the know it alls here.

  53. 58



    A quick response, then I’ve got to go.

    Being a great orator does not necessarily translate into winning the rather stylized debates that have been recent practice.

    Your opinion of the Saddleback interviews gives some examples of that. Oh, and no, I do not agree that it was a “disaster”. On the contrary, I think both candidates did what they wanted to do, although it may have been more beneficial for Senator McCain than Senator Obama.

    Senator McCain needed to connect with the “base” (whatever that means) and gave short, clear, simple answers, even when (my opinion here) the topic wasn’t really appropriate for a simple answer.

    He gave good sound bites, and the newsies just loved it.

    Senator Obama needed to show evangelicals and other devout Christians that he wasn’t the evil boogie man that some evangelical leaders have painted him to be. He gave lengthy, nuanced answers on complicated, difficult issues.

    Take your favorite topic, for example. Senator Obama would not give a simple answer as to when “human rights” should be given to a fetus in utero. The closest he got was saying that exactly when a fetus becomes a person is “beyond his paygrade”.

    (NOT, as Mr. Thompson said, when we should protect human life, but only when a fetus is actually a person.)

    YOU may believe that the moment that sperm enters the egg, it becomes a person, with that spark of awareness that we call “spirit” or “soul”, but I do not, and for every Biblical reference you may interpret as saying so, I can find others that can be interpreted as disagreeing.

    And we haven’t even addressed the topic for those people that do not see the Bible as being definitive.

    Unfortunately, when truncated for the evening news, that kind of answer gives the impression of “waffling”. Senator Kerry had the same problem.

    Well, so much for a “quick response”. Senator Obama did what he needed to do at Saddleback. He showed evangelicals that he respected them and would find places where he and they could work together.

    It will probably not win him many votes (although I doubt that it will cost him any votes) but as for laying the groundwork for bringing the country together after the election, it was an important thing to do.

    And, I really like seeing a candidate that is looking beyond just getting elected.

    Now I’ve really got to go.

  54. 59

    Mark1 spews:

    Gainfull employment eludes Goldy, and here is a good summation of his dilema:


    Goldy to Re-evaluate HA in November 2008

    Local Media News
    by pudge, 09:51 AM
    David, the man who runs a local liberal web site bemoans the lack of liberal advertising on his site (warning: not safe for work), as well as the complaints he gets for allowing conservative advertising.

    He says he will re-evaluate the future of his site in November 2008. But I am not sure how he can lose: if the Democrats win, then he, like other people who can’t make money on their own, will be fully cared for by government; that is the exact agenda David pushes, and that his candidates support. If the Republicans win, then the self-righteous anger of the left will fuel the site for many months to come.

    So either way, he can feed off the misery of others for as long as he wishes.

  55. 60

    Daddy Love spews:

    8 Pud

    Of course his “present” votes were in the Illinois legislature. Media Matters comments:

    On page 116, Freddoso addresses Obama’s “present” votes in the Illinois state Senate, citing a December 20, 2007, New York Times article in claiming that “other Illinois senators say” Obama’s 130 “present” votes was an “unusually high” number. In fact, the Times article does not quote any Illinois state senators commenting on the frequency of Obama’s “present” votes, nor does it report that other Illinois senators considered the frequency of Obama’s “present” votes to be “unusually high.” Indeed, while neither the Times nor Freddoso provided substantiation for his claim that Obama had an “unusually high” number of “present” votes, quoted Christopher Mooney, a political scientist at the University of Illinois-Springfield, saying of Obama’s “present” votes: “Everyone I’ve spoken to who’s familiar with this, including lobbyists and people who are engaged in opposition research, say the number of times he voted present on a proportional basis was probably a little less than average.”

  56. 61

    Daddy Love spews:

    13 Troll

    Yeah, right. 18 million Democrats voted to make a woman their presidential candidate, and John McCain single-handedly appoints a woman to the vice-presidential slot, and in your mind that makes Democrats misogynists and Republicans feminists. Up is down. White is black.

    I swear, Republicans believe five impossible things every morning before breakfast.

  57. 62

    Daddy Love spews:

    16 Troll

    you have long-time Democratic feminists calling Palin a bad mother for not staying home to raise her babies

    Would it be too much to ask you to cite whom, exactly?

    You see, “big picture” or no, if you cannot name ONE person, then no one said it and you’re lying. That how it works with adult people, son.

  58. 63

    Mark1 spews:

    Mommy Love,

    Being a member of the fairer sex yourself, I thought you would applaud McCain’s choice for V.P. Jeez, sounds like it’s your time of the month again girl.

  59. 64

    demo kid spews:

    @59: Who cares what Goldy does for a day job? Does that make his points any more right or wrong?

  60. 65

    demo kid spews:

    @63: Being a member of the fairer sex yourself, I thought you would applaud McCain’s choice for V.P. Jeez, sounds like it’s your time of the month again girl.

    Wow… more proof that Republicans are still sexist douchebags. Do you have a point, asshole?

  61. 66

    Daddy Love spews:

    34 Rudy

    Bush is not on the ballot. He is almost forgotten by tens of millions of voters.

    Yeah, I guess the only people who haven’t forgotten him are the 6.1% of Americans who are out of a job, the families of the 4154 Americans killed in Iraq, the people who died waiting for federal aid after Katrina, and anyone paying over $4 a gallon for gas.

    90 per cent of American know that this is a direct fight between Mc Cain and Obama

    I agree, except that then I don’t understand why these guys are crowing about Scandalah Palin so often?

    Palin scored BIG time at the convention

    Yes, the Republicans at the Republican National Convention liked her. But she doesn’t seem to be doing so well elsewhere.

    she is shrewed, well spoken, telegenic and fearless

    Then you’d think she’d do a press conference instead of a speech written by someone else, wouldn’t you? I have a feeling she’s not going on Meet the Press anytime soon. Biden will be on there this Sunday, BTW.

  62. 67

    Daddy Love spews:

    63 M1

    Now I’m convinced that Republicans really are feminists.

    Oh, and it’s “the fair sex” not “the fairer sex.” I wouldn’t want you to sound like an idiot.

  63. 69

    Daddy Love spews:

    More good news for McCain:

    An industry group says a record 9.2 percent of American homeowners with a mortgage were either behind on their payments or in foreclosure at the end of June…

    Nearly 10% and McCain doesn’t say ONE thing about the econopmy in his “Did you remember I was a POW?” speech at the RNC.

    And you guys think he can win doing that? I understand better why Republicans do not value intelligence.

    Update: My bad. McCain did say one thing about the economy. He said he’d be fighting for some couple who lost their “real estate investments” in the current crisis. Not their home.

  64. 70

    Daddy Love spews:

    That darned CNN is telling us today that Sarah Palin is such a “real reformer,” not at all like all those old corrupt power-abusing Republicans in Washington, that she “improperly obtained her former brother-in-law’s state police personnel files and cited information from those records to raise complaints” against him. That’s besides firing his boss when he refused her pressure on him to get the trooper fired.

    How come the new kind of Republicans seem just like the old kind of Republicans?

  65. 71

    Daddy Love spews:

    Sarah Palin is not taking questions from the media.

    But McCain promised that his VP would appear on Larry King:

    KING: We have a history on this program that whenever the vice presidential nominee is announced, he or she appears on this show the next night. It’s been going on for quite a while. We hope that Senator McCain follows that tradition since I have a hunch he will not announce tonight who that candidate is.

    But how close are we?

    MCCAIN: I want to say that that vice presidential candidate will be on your show. I will not risk the wrath of Larry King. I want to assure you.


  66. 72




    You’re basically asking me to do your homework for you. If you have questions about something, do your own research.

  67. 73



    Since you have an interest in drug laws, etc., I think it would be interesting to read a post from you where you take a look at the Skagit county killer. You know, that guy who killed six people the other day. He has a long criminal history, including a long history drug use. “But there’s no connection between drug use and crime! Why do people always tie the two together?” Calm down, Lee, I’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying Perhaps you could somehow mix together your thoughts on how you would rate Gregoire’s effectiveness in dealing with mentally ill criminals, especially those with drug dependencies, and what more can she do to help them, and protect us?

  68. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    John Barelli really tried: ‘YOU may believe that the moment that sperm enters the egg, it becomes a person, with that spark of awareness that we call “spirit” or “soul”, but I do not, and for every Biblical reference you may interpret as saying so, I can find others that can be interpreted as disagreeing.

    As soon as I read that I immediately thought of Psalm 139:13-16 – For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were all written the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them.

    Jeremiah. 1:5. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

    Why did I use the Old Testament? Cuz some here don’t believe in the New Testament.

    But then Exodus comes to mind: Exodus 21:22-25 – If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    Well that’s enough Bible for now.

  69. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    Daddy Love@60:

    WTF? The number of times “present” is below average? What kind of law making activity is the Illinois Senate? Well how does that excuse his “present” votes Daddy love? A I recall… just 10 seconds ago, Barack obama is running for president not the other “higher average present voters”.

    Now for you using Media Morons – Shame on you Daddy Love. A left wing wacko site.

  70. 79

    Steve spews:

    @74 You goatfucking freaks should pay more attention to…

    Leviticus 20:15

    “If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.”

  71. 80

    Another TJ spews:

    Wow, approaching nine hours since I asked for a single example of a Democrat attacking Palin for working instead of tending to her family and as of now the total stands at zero.

    Interesting. One could almost draw a conclusion from that…

  72. 81

    Steve spews:

    @74 Do you want to be stoned to death?? “Baaa” means no, Pudnut!

    Exodus 22:19

    “Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.”

  73. 82


    Ah, Puddy. Exactly the verses I expected.

    Actually, though, the verse in Exodus which you have as “gives birth prematurely” is also translated “has a miscarriage”. The King James Version reads “so that her fruit depart from her”.

    We can debate this, but this really isn’t the place and would just bore most of the folks here. It certainly wouldn’t convince anyone (on either side).

    It seems needless to say, but please understand that I actually do both understand and respect your opinion in this area. (Expect no quarter in other topics.) I doubt that you could convince me that the spark of personality exists in an embryo, but neither do I expect that I could convince you otherwise.

    And believing as you do, I cannot see how you could not be pro-life. One of the tragedies here is that there are certainly areas where both camps agree, but cannot seem to work together.

    While I am pro-choice, I do not ever want abortion to be the only choice. We need strong support programs for pregnant women, young mothers and women who find that they cannot handle the responsibility of motherhood.

    Whether an abortion is ending a life or just a potential life, it is nonetheless an important and life-changing decision, not to be taken lightly, and should never have to be made based on the unavailability of help in carrying, delivering, or caring for the baby.

    But I am convinced that it is also a decision that must not be made by the government and enforced by law.

  74. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, I’m glad you see your demise!

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  75. 84

    Puddybud spews:

    John Barelli:

    Well John, I’m glad I didn’t let you down with my Bible verses. We need to meet sometime over some good food.

    Your last sentence paragraph is really interesting. The only thing a liberal doesn’t want mandated by government.

    Where are you on the Fairness Doctrine?


  76. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    Apparently Another TJ can’t accept his friends on the Huff Post or the liberal MSM as proof they are attacking Sarah Palin on working on the campaign over her family life.

    Apparently Daily Kurse doesn’t count
    Apparently Katie Couric doesn’t count
    Apparently Soledad O’Brien doesn’t count
    Apparently Maggie Rodriguez doesn’t count
    Apparently Harry Smith doesn’t count
    Apparently Brian Williams doesn’t count
    Apparently Keith Olbermann doesn’t count
    Apparently David Gregory doesn’t count
    Apparently Gloria Bolger doesn’t count
    Apparently NARAL doesn’t count
    Apparently Sarah Selzer doesn’t count
    Apparently the DUmmys site doesn’t count … but I thought the DU in DUmmys stood for Democratic Underground.
    Apparently Barney Frank doesn’t count
    Apparently Gloria Steinem doesn’t count

    The list is much longer Another TJ

    But then again Another TJ would support this type of attack directed at Sarah Palin: “Palin was a supporter of [MSNBC analyst] Pat Buchanan, a right-winger or as many Jews call him: a Nazi sympathizer,” Obama spokesman Mark Bubriski wrote in an email.” – Yes that is fair game to Another TJ, even when it was later proven wrong and of course there was no retraction, no fact check, etc.

    But Another TJ, when you read the TPM, Rosenberg wrote: “Bottom line: The Biden choice pretty much eliminated Obama’s “Jewish problem.””

    But Obama had a Jewish problem?

  77. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    But you know the Media Another TJ, they get it wrong so many times. Just this week Obamasmedia (so yelling loser boy can’t claim pajamas media) accused Palin of slashing funding for special needs programs by 62%. But who prepared that proposed budget she’s being accuse of? Her predecessor. She actually raised them 175%, just as she was accused of slashing funding for pregnancy prevention programs when she raised those as well.

    “I just watched CNN’s Soledad O’Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn’t familiar with the charge — which isn’t surprising, since it’s only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)”

    “So the Netroots and CNN allege that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent, by crediting her with the budget proposed by a political opponent. And the truth is that rather than a 62 percent cut, she’s actually increasing special needs funding by 175 percent.”

    So Another TJ and other Moonbat!s stop trusting Daily Kurse and his poisonous sticky warm man-juice kool-aid. They got another one wrong on Palin, just like Trig is her baby.

    So amazing CNN has Daily Kurse on retainer.

    That’s why 51% say reporters are trying to hurt Palin; 39% say she has better experience than Obama

  78. 87

    Another TJ spews:

    It’s now been 24 hours since I asked for a single example of a Democrat criticizing Palin for neglecting her family in favor of working, and the total still stands at zero.

    It’s safe to say we can toss that charge on the pile with the rest.

  79. 91

    Mark1 spews:

    67. Daddy Love spews:

    63 M1

    ‘Now I’m convinced that Republicans really are feminists.

    Oh, and it’s “the fair sex” not “the fairer sex.” I wouldn’t want you to sound like an idiot.’

    Wrong Mommy Love. Excerpt from Webster’s:

    Commercial Usage: FAIRER
    Domain Title
    Books A fairer future for children : towards better parental and professional care (reference)

    Alternative Federal Budget Papers, 1998: Fairer Taxes, Reinvesting in Health Care, Education and the Environment: Sustaining the Recovery and Job cr (reference)

    Art for a Fairer World (reference)

    Financial Statement and Budget Report: Prudent for a Purpose: Working for a Stronger and Fairer Britain (reference)

    Gentleman’s Relish: A Saucy Look at the Fairer Sex (reference)

    (more book examples)

    Sorry girl, turns out you’re the idiot. Try not to get your panties in such a bunch.

  80. 92

    Another TJ spews:

    I think three days is long enough to wait for an example, especially as I’ve provided several examples to support my position.

    GOP Party? Epic Fail.

  81. 93

    Another TJ spews:

    As we conclude our vigil, I’d just like to thank the Palindrones who made this possible. If you folks had known what you were talking about, you wouldn’t have made it so easy. Thanks!