Open Thread 2/14

- Happy Valentines Day. The only saint’s day where you don’t say “saint” in front of their name, I think. I blame the massacre for that.

– Can we enact mild signature gathering reforms now that there’s evidence of signature gathering fraud?

Rubio has fallen victim to one of the classic economic blunders. It’s called Say’s Law, and it’s not, in fact, a law. It’s more like a guideline. The idea is that supply creates its own demand, which is true enough during booms, but not so during busts.

Seattle’s failure to embrace transit-oriented development, even when bribed to do so by a corporate entity to whom they pretty much never say “no,” continues to be maddeningly counterproductive.

Currently, Washington sends approximately $15 billion each year to out of state oil and gas companies. With a booming clean energy economy, those dollars could be invested with Washington companies to create Washington jobs. States and regions with climate policies in place have seen strong growth in their clean energy economies, including California and New England.

– Loved reading about these Negro Leagues players, especially Hilton Smith.

Comments

  1. 1

    spews:

    - Rubio has fallen victim to one of the classic economic blunders. It’s called Say’s Law, and it’s not, in fact, a law. It’s more like a guideline. The idea is that supply creates its own demand, which is true enough during booms, but not so during busts.

    In other words, it’s like the left’s whole green energy agenda.

  2. 2

    spews:

    - Currently, Washington sends approximately $15 billion each year to out of state oil and gas companies. With a booming clean energy economy, those dollars could be invested with Washington companies to create Washington jobs. States and regions with climate policies in place have seen strong growth in their clean energy economies, including California and New England.

    Well, yeah. But that’s growth paid for by tax dollars, some of them yours and mine, and very generous government subsidies. Those kinds of subsidies may put panels on roofs of northern European…

    What, no mention of Germany and solar? I wonder why not:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....blatt.html

    Actually, no, I don’t.

    We pulled permits last week for solar install – about 3.3 kW with conduit placed for phase II in the future. The amount of subsidy is idiotic. That money could go to rebates for Prius and Ford hybrids and do a whole lot more good for the environment than sucky solar panels will. But, hey, if the state of Washington is willing to surcharge Lib Sci on his energy bill so that a fund can be created to reimburse me for the work I do, well, that’s just an offer too good to pass up.

  3. 5

    spews:

    That money could go to rebates for Prius and Ford hybrids and do a whole lot more good for the environment than sucky solar panels will.

    Heh.. No.. How about feebates? Fee on the gas guzzler that pays for a rebate on the gas sipper..

    Almost no government overhead to speak of. Like SS and Medicare.

    Sucky? Why are you doing it then? You must suck.. Well we all knew that.

  4. 6

    spews:

    @ 5

    Why are you doing it then?

    I’m doing it because someone else is paying for it, YLB. And one of them is you.

    That’s my point, YLB. The ‘clean green economy’ is there because there’s free money to drive it.

    Free isn’t free forever, YLB, as Germany (and Spain) have discovered with their own green initiatives.

    Oh. And I already have a Prius.

  5. 7

    spews:

    I’ve been hearing that “supply creates its own demand” dogma from right wingers for decades..

    My first thought was why haven’t the QE’s created more demand for business loans?

    Supply creates its own demand doesn’t it?

  6. 8

    spews:

    Nope.

    Sam Stein ✔ @samsteinhp

    Senate aide confirms, at this juncture, Reid doesn’t have the 60 votes to move Hagel
    3:52 PM – 14 Feb 13

    Not yet, anyway.

    Anybody remember Obama voting to filibuster a Supreme Court appointee?

  7. 9

    spews:

    6 – You’re doing something that’s “sucky”..

    Yeah makes lots of sense..

    Why not do something that doesn’t suck?? You must like “sucky”… The right wing bullshit you post here sure sucks.

  8. 10

    spews:

    It’s not unheard of for a Cabinet nominee to be blocked by filibuster.

    Last two times it’s been Dems doing it to a GOP president:

    Blocking such a high-level presidential appointee is a rare move. Since 1917, when the Senate’s modern filibuster rules were created, a cabinet-level nominee has faced a supermajority barrier to confirmation only twice: Ronald Reagan’s nominee for commerce secretary in 1987, C. William Verity Jr., and George W. Bush’s nominee for interior secretary in 2006, Dirk Kempthorne.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02.....1&

    Two words, Mr. President:

    Sam. Nunn.

  9. 11

    spews:

    @ 10

    Why not do something that doesn’t suck??

    I do. And I have.

    I am looking forward to the online monitoring of the energy production. Maybe I can be like the ‘rail fan’ guy and go all Copernicus on your asses with updates on how much the sun is doing on one day or the next.

    My point, really, is that far more benefit to the earth would result from, say, 8 x $2500 rebates for incrementally more (not sure how exactly that would be accomplished) Prius purchases than from $20K reimbursed for my solar panels.

    ‘All of the above’, by definition, means including stuff that really shouldn’t see the light of day in a practical world. That’s the sad part.

  10. 12

    spews:

    @ 7

    My first thought was why haven’t the QE’s created more demand for business loans?

    Supply creates its own demand doesn’t it?

    Not necessarily, in a multifactorial equation.

    ‘Here’s some low-cost money. But we’re increasing your permitting challenges by requiring more green stuff on your building, you can’t have as many parking spaces as you need, we just doubled your permit fees, we’re decreasing our LTV from 80 to 75%, and if you actually get this built and make a profit, we’re going to dun you for higher and higher taxes, while threatening to close the ‘loopholes’ letting you deduct your expenses for your project.’

    That’s mostly why you haven’t seen it working.

    Except for the banks. Their margins are expanding, their credit quality is improving because they’re excluding more borrowers, their loan loss reserves are falling, and check out how much money JPM and WFC made last year. Even BAC and C have recovered very nicely.

  11. 13

    spews:

    Another thing I hear these days is that the costs of solar panels keep dropping..

    And the technology keeps getting better..

    The silicon wire arrays created by Atwater and his colleagues are able to convert between 90 and 100 percent of the photons they absorb into electrons—in technical terms, the wires have a near-perfect internal quantum efficiency. “High absorption plus good conversion makes for a high-quality solar cell,” says Atwater. “It’s an important advance.”

    It’s worth some investment..

  12. 15

    spews:

    Here’s some low-cost money. But we’re increasing your permitting challenges by requiring more green stuff on your building, you can’t have as many parking spaces as you need, we just doubled your permit fees, we’re decreasing our LTV from 80 to 75%, and if you actually get this built and make a profit, we’re going to dun you for higher and higher taxes, while threatening to close the ‘loopholes’ letting you deduct your expenses for your project.

    What is this?? Smells like a right wing fantasy to me.

  13. 16

    spews:

    @ 15

    Smells like a right wing fantasy to me.

    Maybe you need to pull your nose out of Rush Limbaugh’s ass, then.

    Actually, it’s been a fairly substantial portion of my 2009-2011. I overcame it but if I was new rather than established I likely would not have. It’s easier now, and 2013 will be better than 2010 and 2011, but a lot of the roadblocks are still in place and they are getting harder to overcome.

    I think it’s something you need to actually experience for yourself, YLB. Shepherd a new project from conception to completion. It very likely will change your perspective on a lot of things.

  14. 18

    spews:

    @ 13

    Another thing I hear these days is that the costs of solar panels keep dropping..

    And the technology keeps getting better..

    YLB, this is actually a disincentive to doing something now, and an incentive to wait until things get better. You understand that, right? I already have electricity supplying my building. I don’t need solar. Why do it now if I can do it better and less expensively in the future? (Answer: Goverment incentives. I’m spending taxpayer and ratepayer money, not my own.)

    It’s why I have a project in two phases. The second phase will be money spent later and not now, because I expect it will be cheaper and better in the future.

    But that doesn’t do much for solar firm employees who need the work now.

    Your move, YLB.

  15. 19

    spews:

    I already have electricity supplying my building. I don’t need solar. Why do it now if I can do it better and less expensively in the future? (Answer: Goverment incentives. I’m spending taxpayer and ratepayer money, not my own.)

    It’s called investment Bob.. The electric going into your building is carbon intensive and polluting and environmentally destructive.. We want less and less of that.

    We also want the green jobs. We want the cleaner environment..

    All energy is subsidized to some extent.. Yet your right wing bullshit gives you some sort of jones against renewables.

    I’m not that big of a fan of renewables either. I think the environmental cost is less in some areas greater in others.. But I’m a fan of advancing technology and as long as the tech makes advances I’m all for investment in renewables.

  16. 20

    spews:

    @ 17

    Again, that’s money taken from taxpayers and forced to be spent on solar, YLB.

    DoD is under pressure to develop the lands to meet the mandates of the 2005 Energy Policy Act, which requires agencies to use renewable energy for at least 7.5 percent of their facility energy needs by fiscal 2013.

    http://www.federaltimes.com/ar.....-turf-wars

    YLB, you understand that money extracted from taxpayers and spent because a law says it’s supposed to be spent isn’t the same as a sustainable industry, don’t you?

    You aren’t helping yourself here. You really aren’t. Pulling a 2007 photo for a 2013 discussion? Silly.

  17. 21

    spews:

    Again, that’s money taken from taxpayers and forced to be spent on solar, YLB.

    Oh like the subsidies the fossil fuel companies still get?

    That’s ok right?

  18. 23

    spews:

    the mandates of the 2005 Energy Policy Act,

    LOL! It just keeps getting better..

    Pelosi and Reid had nothing to do with that.

  19. 24

    spews:

    You win, YLB. Small subsidies given to wildly profitable companies (take ‘em away, I don’t care) gets you out of having to defend industries that likely would not exist were it not for relatively massive government and ratepayer subsidy.

    Your apple trumps my orange. Take your victory lap and enjoy your day.

  20. 25

    spews:

    money extracted from taxpayers and spent because a law says it’s supposed to be spent isn’t the same as a sustainable industry

    Yawwwn. Many currently sustainable industries have needed government subsidy.. Look at the military, NASA.. Those have helped many industries.

    For some reason fossil fuels still need some government help. Go figure.

  21. 27

    Steve spews:

    “Shepherd a new project from conception to completion.”

    I’ve been doing that for decades.

    “But we’re increasing your permitting challenges by requiring more green stuff on your building, you can’t have as many parking spaces as you need, we just doubled your permit fees, we’re decreasing our LTV from 80 to 75%, and if you actually get this built and make a profit, we’re going to dun you for higher and higher taxes, while threatening to close the ‘loopholes’ letting you deduct your expenses for your project.”

    What on earth are you talking about?

  22. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Here’s how Say’s Law works: If you make it, and nobody wants it, you pay a recycling company to take it off your hands.

  23. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Rubio has fallen victim to one of the classic economic blunders. It’s called Say’s Law, and it’s not, in fact, a law. It’s more like a guideline. The idea is that supply creates its own demand, which is true enough during booms, but not so during busts. The underlying logic here — producing goods gives you the income to buy other goods — makes sense, but only as long as you don’t include money. Then everything falls apart. We’ll return to why money is the root of all depressions in a second, but first, let’s think about what it would mean if Say’s Law were true. It would mean a world where demand can never lag supply; where unemployment is either voluntary or transient (when people switch jobs); and where government spending can never help the economy.”

    Ah yes. If only it were true, this would solve many conceptual problems and validate many shibboleths, for Republicans. If you’re out of work, it’s because you’re a slacker, not because the economy is slack. Government bad; private enterprise good. Always, no matter what.

    The Republican solution to untruths is make them true by fiat. Declare them true and it will be so. This is the obvious corollary to a Republican maxim we’re all familiar with: Denying truth makes it false; e.g., Obama was not born in Hawaii no matter what his birth certificate says; the climate isn’t changing despite melting ice caps and glaciers; guns don’t kill people regardless of how many children end up in body bags; etc.

    If you’re a Republican, it doesn’t matter whether things work or not. The world can go to hell in a handbasket as long as (a) you’re in charge, and (b) life goes on normally within your gated community. What the rest of humanity thinks about the misery and mayhem you’ve visited upon them simply doesn’t matter. If the angry mobs get out of hand, just gin up another foreign war, conscript all the unruly unemployed youths into the armed forces, and ship them out of the country. Problem solved.

  24. 31

    spews:

    By your definition unemployment is a sustainable industry because the government pays for it.

    By your definition, the Republicans forcing Obama into screwing the 99ers in 2011 did wonders for the economy.. Supply creates its own demand right?

    Uhhh.. Last I noticed you were still moaning about Obama’s “job-killing” policies.

  25. 33

    Steve spews:

    Why you didn’t respond to this in the other thread, Bob? I just want to help put make this go away.

    @49 “an option to pay by credit card rather than by check”

    As I recall, Darryl’s charity was Northwest Harvest. When you donate by credit card online to Northwest Harvest you have to give them your email address even if you wish to remain anonymous. As I stated above, a charity will then send an email confirming your donation, the tax receipt number, the tax deductable amount of the donation and the tax ID number of the charity.

    If you actually made a donation online to Northwest Harvest then there should be no reason why you can’t submit proof to Darryl and put this to rest.

  26. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    That Atlantic article does a pretty good job of explaining recessions:

    People might hoard money. Now, “hoard” … means households don’t want to spend, and businesses don’t want to invest, and banks don’t want to lend. There’s an excess of desired savings over desired investment — or, as it’s more commonly called, a recession.

    The Fed can make hoarding less appealing by cutting interest rates … but it can’t do so now [because] interest rates are already at zero …. In short, the Fed hasn’t been able to get us to stop hoarding.

    That leaves two options: depression or deficits. In other words, either nobody borrows the unborrowed money, or the government does. If nobody does, the economy will contract by as much as isn’t borrowed; if the government does, the economy will (at least) stabilize. … It’s easy enough to tell the government is borrowing money that otherwise wouldn’t be … [because] interest rates have fallen despite big deficits. There has been no crowding out [of private investment].”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’m a premiere example of a money hoarder, although I haven’t quite caught up with Scrooge McDuck or Warren Buffett yet. Buffett at least broke down enough to buy a private jet, an indulgence I continue to eschew, although he’s still living in the $38,500 home he bought in 1952. But his hoarding continues apace; he bought Heinz Company today. I don’t own Heinz stock, which is too bad, because it jumped 20% this morning on the news.

    I am, however, a notorious hoarder in my own right. I hoard books and back issues of Atlantic magazine; above all, I hoard stock shares. I have well over 10,000 of them in 40+ different companies.

    Rabbits like me are terrible for the economy. I’m a one-rabbit depression-creating machine. I don’t spend; I don’t borrow; I don’t lend. I’m a vacuum cleaner that sucks money out of circulation.

    Some of my rightwing friends are hoarders, too, but they hoard different stuff: Gold bars and gold coins, boxes of survival rations and AK-47 cartridges, flashlight batteries, etc.

    It’s obvious that banks and corporations are hoarding money. Banks are flush with excess reserves, which they don’t need to lend to keep bankers in bonuses because they borrow newly-created fiat money from the government for zero interest and then lend it back to the government at half a percent, and corporate cash tills have never been fatter than they are right now. Apple, Inc., alone has enough cash to buy South America, although I can’t imagine why anyone would want to own South America or what they would do with it under any circumstances.

    If circulating money is the mother’s milk of economies, then money-hoarding rabbits are the bane of economic capitalism. It is, of course, a nefarious plot by rabbits to starve out you humans so we can take over your niche. At least, some might say so. I say we rabbits don’t need to do you humans in, because you’re doing such a fine job of it yourselves without our intervention. All we have to do is sit back, watch the show, and bide our time.

  27. 35

    spews:

    @ 27

    What on earth are you talking about?

    You might have been shepherding it, or at least the engineering portion of it.

    If you had been the one footing the bill, you’d know what I’m talking about.

  28. 36

    spews:

    @ 33

    from the email I received, Steve:

    No tangible benefit, goods or services were provided to the donor in connection with this gift. Northwest Harvest is a 501(c)(3) non-profit
    organization. Tax ID #91-0826037. Please retain this letter as a receipt for your gift.

  29. 37

    spews:

    @ 33

    Steve if you’re this interested, you might consider contacting

    Shelley Rotondo
    Executive Director

    and asking her if a contribution was made online on 12/31/12 in the amount of $1000, and if that contribution came with something that said something along the line of ‘In honor of Dr. Darryl Holman’.

    You might have to ask for 1/2/13 if the money didn’t actually hit their account on the 31st.

    Be my guest. Please. Go right ahead.

  30. 39

    rhp6033 spews:

    I’m in the last afternoon of a three-day industry conference. Early on the first day were speakers on the issue of biofuels for aircraft, followed by a panel discussion.

    One of the things that struck me was the background info provided by one speaker. He said that worldwide, government subidies for petroleum were in excess of $750 billion, measured in U.S. dollars.

    And that doesn’t even address the cost of infrastructure for automobiles, such as roads, parking facilities, etc.

    But the petroleum industry is so afraid of competing forms of energy and transit that they will unleash their fuel political firepower and public relations to try to claim that government money shouldn’t be spent on either, and that they should be expected to perform at a profit from day one, or discarded like so much trash. Serial just is the medium here for passing along their industry-trashing campaign.

  31. 42

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 40: It was just a comment by way of background, the speaker didn’t go into any details at all.

    I thought it interesting that the biofuel industry was turning away from corn and similar food products as a supply source, and turning to algae instead. It thrives in brackash water where nothing else will grow.

    The estimates are that most commercial aircraft will be flying on biofuel within the next fifteen years. The industry is just getting tired of all the turmoil caused by the roller-coaster ride of the cost of oil, and is looking for more stable supply sources.

  32. 44

    Steve spews:

    “If you had been the one footing the bill, you’d know what I’m talking about.”

    Ive footed the bill before and I’ve been dealing with the rising cost of construction and the many changes to codes for a long time now.

    Most changes to code come from lessons learned, be it from fire, earthquakes, floods, whatever. I’m fine when it’s about what should be minimal safety standards. For example, except for 9/11, there is no recorded death of a person in America due to a fire in a fully sprinklered building. I’m good with sprinklers! The actual changes to code that cause construction costs to rise can usually be traced to corporations like insurance companies, not wild-eyed liberals. What drives fire protection? Insurance companies, not hippies. They’ll even have you do things that the code won’t.

    When it comes to “Green” energy codes you’ll find manufacturers and others who profit deeply involved in the code making process, mostly now at the state and munincipal level.

    There are certainly suitable rants when it comes to some aspects of code. For instance, while I don’t see the government coming after my gun, somebody is certainly coming after my damned light switch. You might see a wild-eyed liberal. The problem really isn’t damned commies who don’t trust me to use a fucking light switch. I see a few of those, yeah, but I mostly see Siemens, Tyco and many other global corporations wanting to use code to force us to buy their lighting control systems.

    I occasionally fight the more silly national code I run across. Sometimes I kick butt, sometimes I lose. Most often I live with it because it’s just not worth it.

    This one wasn’t worth it. There’s a requirement that those flashing fire alarm lights you’ve no doubt seen before be at least six inches below a ceiling. Do you know why? So they’ll be less likely to be obscured by smoke. That way you’ll still that you’ll know that there’s a fire. You see, enough smoke rolling across the ceiling in a room to obscure a flashing xenon strobe is insufficient notification for the occupant that something is afoot.

  33. 45

    Libertarian spews:

    The problem with Keynesian Economics is that, if the government is large enough to affect aggregate demand and the economy, then the government is too big. We have a government that is too big. That is, too many people are employed and beholding to government.

    Remember, the private sector is the only place where wealth is created. All government can do is re-distribute wealth. It can’t create it.

  34. 47

    Steve spews:

    I don’t think it would be appropriate for me to inquire about another individual’s donation.

    I did bother to donate online to see what happened. After submitting the donation a page came up with a letter and then I received an email with the same letter . I don’t draw any conclusions from this other than you must have made a donation to get the statement you posted with the correct Tax ID #. It’s the same as at the bottom of my email letter.

    At a glance, it looks like a nuisance email. Specific mention of my donation is buried three paragraphs into the letter. If I wasn’t expecting to examine a receipt and looking closely at whatever arrived, I might have missed that this was it. Unlike other charities to which I’ve donated online, there’s no tax receipt number nor is the tax deductable amount of the donation stated. They usually just say thanks and here’s the receipt. The nuisance emails come later. At least Northwest Harvest allows you to say, “No Thanks” to those when you submit the donation.

    Dear Steve:

    It’s a fact. Thanks to you, fewer people in Washington will go hungry.

    Can you imagine a 10-year-old celebrating her birthday without food to eat – let alone no birthday cake? How about a newly retired teacher whose social security checks don’t stretch far enough to cover all the bills? Unfortunately, we can because we’ve seen it all too often. But, we have also seen the reassurance, comfort and dignity that you give to others when you help us provide food to those who need it, no questions asked. Your contributions help make that happen. Thank you!

    I am writing to acknowledge that we received your gift of $xxx.xx on February 14, 2013.

    Your thoughtfulness and generosity enable Northwest Harvest to address hunger statewide, just as we’ve done for the last 45 years.

    You may be aware that not only do we run the state’s busiest food bank on Cherry Street in Seattle, we also distribute nutritious food to more than 350 partners throughout Washington State, including food banks and meal programs. And, our backpack program discreetly provides food for kids in more than 40 high-need schools so that they have nutritious meals and snacks on weekends and holidays, helping to improve academic readiness.

    Please know your gift means a lot. It costs Northwest Harvest only 67 cents to provide a complete meal for a family of three. So, we cannot overstate the enormous impact of your contribution. One of the people that your gift has helped told us recently, “Please thank them. You’re what has kept me going.” We can’t say it better than that.

    With gratitude,

    Shelley Rotondo
    Executive Director

    No tangible benefit, goods or services were provided to the donor in connection with this gift. Northwest Harvest is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Tax ID #91-0826037. Please retain this letter as a receipt for your gift.

  35. 48

    ArtFart spews:

    @34 Let me see if I’ve got this straight….I’ve been dutifully putting money away in 401(k)’s and the like because pensions went the way of the Model T, and because I figure my bride and I might need something to live on once nobody will employ geezers our age and the shysters in DC finally succeed in absolving themselves of responsibility to pay back all the money borrowed out of Social Security to pay for wars I never wanted…and now I’m to be tarred and feathered as a hoarder?????

  36. 49

    Steve spews:

    “I am writing to acknowledge that we received your gift of $xxx.xx on February 14, 2013.”

    Odd, too, the third paragraph in that letter was written as though it should be first paragraph. Being a tax receipt, it should have been first.

  37. 51

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Watching the news of the damaged Carnival Triumph docking in Mobile, I saw what looked like railroad tracks. On a railfan board, a commenter mentioned that prior to Katrina, Amtrak had a route that ran through their,the extension of the Sunset Limited. It was noticed that the train ran only three days a week, and Amtrak’ s chronic equipment shortage, means no special extras available for charter, so many of the passengers are being bussed back to Texas.

  38. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @42 An economy powered by swamp gas. I love it! Why didn’t the ancients think of that?

  39. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @48 Absolutely not. Tar and feathers cost money. Starvation is more cost effective. Ask Stalin, he killed millions that way, and it didn’t cost him a ruble. The Fed’s version of the same policy is zero interest rates.

  40. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Meanwhile, I own half a dozen stocks that jumped 3.5% or more today in one day. I made over 30 years’ worth of bank interest by 10 a.m. That sure beats the interest that Bernanke and banks want to pay! I wonder what tomorrow will be like?

  41. 55

    spews:

    At a meeting, two firearms experts came forward to speak, bringing with them two common Ruger 10/22 rifles that had been cleared by security. The purpose of their presentation was to explain how the gun-control laws currently being proposed would outlaw only a gun’s cosmetic features while not affecting the functionality of the firearms in any measurable way in terms of rate of fire and accuracy.

    In the video, DFL legislators simply arise and exit without explanation. They avoid learning details from the presentation about the very firearms they seek to legislate out of existence.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/video-.....epage=true

    Why do Dems always run away?

  42. 56

    spews:

    @ 51

    … so many of the passengers are being bussed back to Texas.

    Although some of that bussing didn’t go as planned:

    Carnival rescue bus breaks down
    while bringing passengers home

    CBS News, by Anne Werner Original Article
    Posted By: earlybird- 2/15/2013 9:10:52 AM Post Reply
    Thousands of passengers erupted into cheers Thursday night as the crippled triumph finally pulled up to the dock. As they stepped onto dry land, and into the arms of their loved ones some couldn´t contain their excitement. Carnival then chartered a caravan of buses to transport folks out of Mobile, Ala. To add insult to injury, at least one of those buses became stranded on the way to New Orleans, reports CBS News correspondent Anna Werner.

  43. 57

    spews:

    AURORA, Colo. –
    An Aurora school principal says no white children were being allowed at an after-school tutoring program, upsetting some parents.

    The principal at Mission Viejo Elementary school sent a letter telling parents the program is only for students of color.

    http://www.kjct8.com/news/Pare.....index.html

    Instead they’ll bus the white students home. But the students won’t be able to sit in any of the seats in the first twelve rows of the bus.

  44. 58

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    As is typical of Cap’n Crunch, Serial ass, read his link and you find a rather different story…

    School district spokeswoman Tustin Amole says principal Andre Pearson made a mistake and white students will be accepted.

    According to KCNC-TV (http://tinyurl.com/ao7bbbh ), the new tutoring program was started by parents of minority students to help bridge an achievement gap.

    Relentless fucking putz.

    Wait for it….smarmy comment about my children, or an attempt to portray me as a racist for calling grifter Artur Davis a minstrel for his defection to the White Peoples’ Party.

    Same old, same old…

    Go back to reading X-Rays, Dr. Robert…hope you’re better at that than you are a political observer. Oh, and honor the terms of your bet, asshole.

  45. 59

    spews:

    @ 58

    I think you did quite well portraying yourself as racist, Lib Sci. All I did was make sure that everyone on HA got to see it.

    I am not doubting, Lib Sci, that you truly believe that referring to a black man as minstrel because you don’t like his politics, when you’re among friends and think no one is really looking at the meaning of what you write, is ‘provocative’ (your description, as I recall) and edgy, rather than overtly racist.

    I’m sure that your children will grow up with the same mindset – if they can gin up an excuse their fellow liberals will buy, it’s OK to refer to people of color in derogatory terms. Well done. Bigot.

  46. 60

    spews:

    @ 58

    How is the additional information a reason to suggest that the real story is different than contained in the the text I selected?

    Did the principal NOT exclude white children in the letter he wrote?

    Is the racist exclusion of white children acceptable because the program was started by minority parents, ostensibly because they wanted to preferentially benefit their own kind?

    Lib Sci, you really need to learn not to excuse racism when it surfaces on your own side of the political spectrum, and particularly when it surfaces in your own household.

    Oh, and don’t fail to note, especially since you posted the text, that the superintendent pointed out that what the principal did was wrong. As is calling a black man ‘minstrel’ because you don’t like his politics, Lib Sci.

  47. 61

    spews:

    Democrats deserve the government they elect.

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Dik Bolger is a lifelong Minnesota Democrat, a gray-bearded baby boomer with a braid down his back whose Minneapolis printing company’s plant displays work by local artists and sculptors. He backed Mark Dayton for governor, but his take on the Democratic chief executive’s plan for new business taxes could be the voice-over for a Republican campaign commercial.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/pol.....z2KzNPe6Om

    Good and hard, they deserve it.

  48. 62

    spews:

    Happy Anniversary, libbies:

    University of Wisconsin-Madison Teaching Assistants’ Association and Madison Teachers Incorporated, among other unions, organized a rally of about 100 people Thursday to commemorate the second anniversary of the 2011 Capitol protests and call for solidarity against current and impending union and education issues they say Gov. Scott Walker’s leadership created.

    Read more: http://host.madison.com/daily-.....z2KzSvrabt

    Meanwhile:

    MADISON — Gov. Scott Walker’s administration told the Legislature on today that modest economic growth coupled with “frugal management” means Wisconsin is poised to end the two-year budget cycle in June with a net $283 million surplus.

    http://lacrossetribune.com/new.....963f4.html

    YLB piping up about Walker’s new job creation promise in 3….2…..1……

    YLB would have a point, of course:


    The Revenue Department includes graphs that show the monthly and quarterly graphs moving in the same direction — generally upward in the past year and a half.

    “The next revision to the CES jobs data, due March 2013, will correct the deviation seen in the last four quarters to show the same trend the QCEW reports,” the revenue department report said.

    The report projected that Wisconsin would add 36,000 jobs in 2013, and a total of 127,900 private sector jobs during Walker’s four-year term. That”s would be a little more than half the number he promised.

    http://www.politifact.com/wisc.....-new-jobs/

    Budget surplus and consistent job growth is a recipe for re-election.

  49. 65

    spews:

    Hey MBS.

    Check out some of Steve’s comments from yesterday while you’re here.

    Regarding questioning by Senators, here’s an oldie:

    “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids…” Kennedy said.

    Nary a shred of truth in what he said but I’ll defend his right to say it.

  50. 66

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @65 Serial Reneger,

    Guess what? You’re wrong again!

    Sen Kennedy’s rhetoric was certainly colorful regarding the outcome of Bork’s legal “philosophy”, but there’s no dispute that:
    1. Bork committed to overrule Roe v. Wade if confirmed.
    2. Bork did not believe the federal government nor the court could prohibit segregation.
    3. Bork believed that the state and the police had nearly unlimited search and seizure powers.

    Robert Bork himself edited and published a book (2005) to demonstrate all those years later that Sen Kennedy was correct, A Country I Do Not Recognize: The Legal Assault on American Values

    Of course, “truth” ain’t your strong suit, is it? Shredding truth certainly is.

  51. 67

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @65 Serial Reneger,
    Regarding Steve’s comments, I’m not interested in determining whether or not you found some ‘acceptable’ end-around to your obligation of the wager you lost to me on November 6th.

    You lost the bet.
    The published terms of the bet were for the loser to send a check to Darryl in the amount of $1,000 payable to Northwest Harvest.

    You have not yet done.
    You have RENEGED on your bet. Just like a Rmoney supporting Republican so called ‘conservative‘ would be expected to do.

  52. 68

    spews:

    @ 67

    Clown, you’re back to claiming I reneged because, in effect, I paid with the wrong currency denomination. Weak. Very weak.

    Maybe you’d get more traction from this approach: Because I paid via CC, Northwest Harvest incurred some loss due to transaction costs, so in effect I only aided them by around $985 rather than the promised $1,000. Ergo, I’m a deadbeat.

    I’m surprised you didn’t think of that one already. It would be closer to the truth.

  53. 69

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @68. Serial conservative,

    I’m not claiming anything, loser.

    Did you or did you not send a check to Darryl in the amount of $1,000 payable to Northwest Harvest?

    And let me help you answer. Here are the choices that answer that question:
    1) Yes, I did.
    2) No, I did not.
    3) I don’t know.

    Which is your answer?

  54. 70

    Steve spews:

    There’s a 50th anniversary coming up.

    I thought of Brian Sternberg this morning. Most of you have probably never heard of him. To this twelve year old kid and most other people of Seattle in 1963, he was a sports hero. Husky, Shoreline High graduate and world record holder in the pole vault. In the NCAA meet that in the spring of that year he set two world records on his way to the pole vault title. In other meets that spring he broke the record again and again.

    In a meet in Modesto, Sternberg and Husky long jumper Phil Shinnick challenged each other set world records in their events that day. One might wonder what Shinnick was thinking. After all, his best jump ever was two feet short of the record, but the challenge was on. In the evening when the meet was over, both Huskies held world records. Or did they?

    Damn. The officials didn’t use the wind gauge during Shinnicks record setting leap because he wasn’t expected to set a record. They only used it for Ralph Boston. There was no wind, but there was no record for Phil.

    Seattle was thrilled with the exploits of Brian Sternberg that spring. Then came July. Working out on a trampoline, he had a horrible accident and the injury left him a quadriplegic.

    But that’s only part of the story.

    http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05.....g-to-hope/

  55. 71

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Hey Reneger, Where’d you go?
    We all see you not answering, not responding and we all know you spend the majority of your day here every day commenting.

    Funny, how you seem to miss important questions with such regularity. A casual observer might get the ‘wrong’ impression you do this to dodge the question.

    Let’s try again an hour later. Wouldn’t want anyone making any unfair claims about you.

    Did you or did you not send a check to Darryl in the amount of $1,000 payable to Northwest Harvest?

    And let me help you answer. Here are the choices that answer that question:
    1) Yes, I did.
    2) No, I did not.
    3) I don’t know.

    Which is your answer?

  56. 72

    spews:

    @ 71

    No, I did not. I agreed to the wager, not to the method of payment.

    It’s not like I paid in chickens or bearskin rather than cash. I paid by CC.

    And you’re getting smaller by the minute, MBS.

  57. 73

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @72 Serial Reneger,

    I’m glad we’ve resolved and that you confess that after losing our bet you did not send a check to Darryl in the amount of $1,000 payable to Northwest Harvest.

    What were the methods of payment we discussed prior to the contest about which we wagered?

  58. 74

    spews:

    @ 73

    By, ‘we’, MBS, I assume you do not mean me. I didn’t discuss method of payment on HA.

    Until, of course, you disputed it after I completed the donation and fulfilled my monetary obligation for having lost the bet.

    Smaller, smaller…..

  59. 75

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @74 Serial Reneger,

    Wrong again. How DO you do that so consistently?

    We certainly did discuss the terms of payment for the wager YOU OFFERED me.

    You were part of that discussion.

    I posted this the other day. You must have …. ‘missed it’?

    Look at this thread.
    http://horsesass.org/?p=46992#comment-1193223

    @50 Darryl addresses us both on how it should go.
    @53, 9 minutes later, The Serial Reneger, with fantasies of pedophilia, replies to Darryl. Does he agree? Does he disagree? He did neither.
    This constant bullshitter left himself an out.

    @56 on that thread, I confirmed.

    But, let’s just let that slide for a moment.

    After you lost, and having maybe never discussed terms of payment with the winner prior to losing, when did you offer me, the winner, your proposed terms of meeting your obligation?

  60. 76

    spews:

    @ 75

    After you lost, and having maybe never discussed terms of payment with the winner prior to losing, when did you offer me, the winner, your proposed terms of meeting your obligation?

    It wasn’t a signing on the USS Missouri. I lost a bet, I paid off.

    And you’re getting ever smaller.

  61. 78

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @76 Serial RENEGER,

    And nobody but you is bringing up the USS Missouri.

    I’m demanding you meet the obligation of the wager you lost to me and to send a check to Darryl in the amount of $1,000 payable to Northwest Harvest, as we discussed in October before the outcome was known.

    Send the check, LOSER

  62. 79

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “An Idaho man has been charged with assaulting a minor after he allegedly uttered a racial slur and slapped a 2-year-old boy who cried on a Delta plane as it began the final descent into Atlanta, court papers show.

    “Reached by phone Friday, Joe Rickey Hundley of Hayden, Idaho, declined to comment to CNN and referred inquiries to his attorney. …

    “The boy began crying because of the altitude change, and his mother tried to soothe him, court papers said. Then Hundley, who was seated next to the mother and son, allegedly told her to ‘shut that (‘N word’) baby up,’ according to court documents.

    “Hundley then turned around and slapped the 2-year-old in the face with an open hand, which caused the child to scream even louder, the affidavit said.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/.....?hpt=hp_t3

    Roger Rabbit Commentator: It wouldn’t surprise me if Hundley is one of those Neo-Nazis that Hayden Lake is notorious for. After he serves his jail time, he should be barred from domestic airlines for the rest of his miserable stinking life.