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    Puddybud spews:

    My oh my this is funny too:

    www. chron. com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5657703. html

    Houston & Texas News March 28, 2008, 10:33PM
    Robotic phone calls lead Democratic delegates astray

  2. 6

    Puddybud spews:

    Aren’t robocalls simple to trace? I bet neither side will trace them. Can you imagine if it was your supporter doing the Clueless Idiot thing?

  3. 7

    Puddybud spews:

    Since this is a Donkey intramural fight, the Donkey are honing their dirty trick skills for the fall, even if they are against their own candidate.

    “The e-mails, at least, appear to be a self-inflicted wound by Clinton’s campaign. Convention delegates who had signed up for Clinton event notices on her Web site late Thursday received notices that their local convention had been canceled.”

    Wait a minute…
    Maybe it was the vast right wing conspiracy (VRWC) striking again.
    Maybe it was Rush Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos
    Maybe some Donkey are STOOOOPID.

  4. 8

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow it looks like another lefty anti-Iraq film (I stopped counting them after 1) flopped.


    “It’s not looking good,” a studio source told me before the weekend. “No one wants to see Iraq war movies.”

    You betcha. This is the effect the liberal MSM and the Donkey pundits have done to their hollyweird friends.

  5. 9

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    The right is working hard to spin all the anti war films as flops. The truth is – if 1, 10, 100, 10,000 or a million people see any one of them – the right will tremble in their boots. They can’t stand the truth getting out to people. Even one person hearing the truth is a victory and one that the GOP would stop if they could find a way to pull it off. Wait – I hear another bill coming down the halls of Congress – the “Save America From bin Laden Act” will have a rider attached that makes the film industry let Karl Rove see and approve all films before they are distributed to the public. Just like China -more similarities between East and West.

  6. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ethanol Is A Smokestack Industry

    ” …[S]everal new studies show the biofuel boom is … dramatically accelerating global warming ….

    “Corn ethanol, always environmentally suspect, turns out to be environmentally disastrous … cellulosic ethanol made from switchgrass, which has been promoted by eco-activists and eco-investors … as the fuel of the future, looks less green than oil-derived gasoline.

    ” … [T]he basic problem with most biofuels is amazingly simple, given that researchers have ignored it until now: using land to grow fuel leads to the destruction of forests, wetlands and grasslands that store enormous amounts of carbon. …

    “[T]his alarming phenomenon is replicating itself around the world. Indonesia has bulldozed and burned so much wilderness to grow palm oil trees for biodiesel that its ranking among the world’s top carbon emitters has surged from 21st to third according to a report by Wetlands International. Malaysia is converting forests into palm oil farms so rapidly that it’s running out of uncultivated land.

    “But most of the damage created by biofuels will be less direct and less obvious … deforestation results from a chain reaction so vast it’s subtle: U.S. farmers are selling one-fifth of their corn to ethanol production, so U.S. soybean farmers are switching to corn, so Brazilian soybean farmers are expanding into cattle pastures, so Brazilian cattlemen are displaced to the Amazon. It’s the remorseless economics of commodities markets. ‘The price of soybeans goes up,’ laments Sandro Menezes, a biologist with Conservation International in Brazil, ‘and the forest comes down.’

    “Deforestation accounts for 20% of all current carbon emissions. So unless the world can eliminate emissions from all other sources — cars, power plants, factories, even flatulent cows — it needs to reduce deforestation or risk an environmental catastrophe. … The biofuels boom, in short, … could haunt the planet for generations ….

    “This destructive biofuel dynamic is on vivid display in Brazil, where a Rhode Island-size chunk of the Amazon was deforested in the second half of 2007 and even more was degraded by fire. Some scientists believe fires are now altering the local microclimate and could eventually reduce the Amazon to a savanna or even a desert.”

    Quoted under fair use; for complete article and/or copyright info see,00.html

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’ve been dissing ethanol for some time. That doesn’t make me a shill for the oil industry; no one is more environmentally-conscious than feral rabbits! I’m against ethanol because it’s bad for both the planet and the economy. It’s also a lousy investment; many ethanol stocks have dropped precipitously. All I’m saying is we need a sound, sensible, fact and science based approach to alternative energy — not a hysterical en masse embrace of fads that don’t work. (And there are a lot of those.)

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @7 “It’s not looking good,” a studio source told me before the weekend. “No one wants to see Iraq war movies.”

    It would seem this also applies to right pro-war films.

  8. 14

    slingshot spews:

    Puddybud, you need another hobby. Have you been outside lately? How does it work, have you been assigned by your superiors to surveil HA 24/7? Do you gulp Folgers and listen to Limbaugh & O’Reilly reruns in the background? What a sad and lonely life it must be. I guess your parents abandoned you in early todlerhood? I’ll envision you when I toss a few coins into the Salvation Army canisters next holiday season. Bully for you, keep a stiff upper lip, man.

  9. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I see the Bushwhackers have proposed an overhaul of America’s financial regulations that would eviscerate the SEC and leave stock investors even more vulnerable to fraud and abuse than they are now.

  10. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    Pelletizer: You are, as always, almost two months late to the PuddyStudy party on Ethanol.

    Look at threads 4231 and 4260. If you waited until April 4th you’d be two months behind.

    I guess that oxygen starved mind is working slowly processing well known facts. Well, at least, you see it too. Nottobrightmostlyincorrect will disagree with you Pelletizer. Facts hurt his liberal mind.

  11. 20

    Puddybud spews:

    Slingshot: Glad you asked. while the wife and I snuggle on the couch watching her favorite show; if it’s one I’m not too interested in, I’ll breeze over to HA and see what the 16%ers are writing about. Then, I’ll visit the liberal MSM to see what is on their mind. Then, I visit the UK and Australian sites.

  12. 21

    Puddybud spews:


    Here is a program I turned off. This week with George Steponallofus and their “round table”.

    Paul Krugman, Donna Brazile, Robert Reich, George Steponallofus, vs. George Will. That’s 4 against 1. Really balanced.

  13. 22

    Puddybud spews:

    Now this must pizz off Your Clueless Idiot: – But is this Richard Mellon Scaife news org? What an idiot Clueless Idiot is.

    Al-Sadr pulled him militia off the Basra streets? Hmmm… I thought he was winning Clueless Idiot?

    I guess when US air strikes kill 25 at a time, life gets a little tough?

  14. 23


    @20 Puddy

    You might take a look at my recent post about Jermiah Wright over at Seattlejew. I would like to hear your side of the controversy between him and the NY Times!

    BTW in regard to you msg 20, I AGREE … four white guys and onw black woman is very imbalanced. I noticed this right away! Am glad you did too.

    I wonder why one never sees the reverse collection … e.g. 5 Catholics conservatives vs two Jewish liberals on the Supreme Court?

  15. 24

    busdrivermike spews:

    Iranian general played key role in brokering Iraq cease-fire
    By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers

    * Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008

    Heckuva job, McCainy!

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    busdrivermike spews:

    Iraqi lawmakers held talks with Brig. Gen. Qassem Suleimani, commander of the Qods (Jerusalem) brigades of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps and signed an agreement with Sadr……

    Mission Accomplished!

  17. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    RR @ 16: Yep, the Bush are going to announce “the largest overhaul of the banking regulation system since the great depression”. They are also saying it has been in the works for about a year, and isn’t brought about by the recent sub-prime meltdown. They claim it is in response from complaints by some of the biggest financial companies that “excessive regulatoin” has made them less competative in the international marketplace.

    Apparantly, most regulation and oversight of the financial markets will be taken away from the current regulators and given to the Fed instead. We’ll find out the details sometime today, they promise.

    Well, anytime you have a “crisis”, and the Bush administration announces a plan, it’s time to get a firm grip on your wallet (at least). Let’s look at recent history:

    * Bush & Co.’s response to 9/11? Pretty much doing away with the 4th and 5th Amendments (“Hey, we only do it to terrorists, honest! We won’t ever wiretap YOU, torture YOU, or lock you up for years without trial, or “rendition” you to another country so it’s security people can do the same! What, are you still arguing? You must be a terrorist!”

    * Bush & Co.’s response to Katrina: No-bid contracts to a handfull of favored contractors, through which all the work must be sub-contracted.

    * Bush & Co.’s response to the 2000 election nightmare in Florida: replace troublesome punchard ballots with electronic systems which cannot be audited or re-counted at all, leaving voters in some precincts in Florida to complain that they saw their votes for Kerry change to Bush right after they pressed “enter”, large discrepencies between the exit polling and announced poll results, and results which couldn’t be explained by known party preferences (68% of registered Democrats voted for Bush in 2004????).

    * Patriot Act coming up for renewal, and Bush & Co. arguing that allowing it to lapse for even a few hours might be fatal to national security? What a great time to insert some language while typing up the final conference committee report, which gives the President the right to replace federal prosecutors without Senate confirmation! After all, he wouldn’t abuse that, would he??? He wouldn’t require one prosecutor to resign so a Rove protoge could have a seat, would he? Or fire prosecutors who prosecuted Republican lawmakers for corruption in California, or who didn’t make sure indictments of Democrats were announced in New Mexico just before an election, or fire a prosecutor in Washington state because he wouldn’t bring voting fraud charges against Democrats simply because there wasn’t any evidence?

    Personally, considering that a Democrat will be President in less than nine months, I would prefer that the Bush plan be tabled until then. Bush & Co. have NO CREDIBILITY left – it must be presumed that any plan they propose has some partison advantage.

    I wonder if they are seeing a long desert ahead of them, with Democrats in control of the Congress and the White House, perhaps for the next twelve or sixteen years? If so, taking lots of authority away from the executive branch and giving it to the Fed makes one wonder if they think that the Fed will remain more partial to their interests, and serve as a brake upon the Democratic plans until the Republicans can come back into office?

    Or maybe they just want to make it appear that despite almost eight years of negligent lack of oversight of financial markets, that they are finally doing something (punting the problem to the Feds)?

  18. 27

    busdrivermike spews:

    We asked Iranian officials to help us ………” said an Iraqi official, who asked for anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.

    Bring ‘em on!

  19. 28

    busdrivermike spews:

    “militants on the ground in Basra said they would continue to fight in self-defense.

    “We will stay in our positions because the government didn’t stop the raids and the attacks against the Mahdi Army and their areas,” Abu Muamal said. “We are waiting for clear orders from our command and we will not withdraw until the situation is clarified.””

    The surge has worked!

  20. 29

    busdrivermike spews:

    Yes, folks, those “dead enders” now take their marching orders from Iran. Maliki’s own party members go to Iran to “negotiate” a cease fire, supposedly behind Maliki’s back, but probably not.

    That is the shit pile Mr. Bush continues to pour American troops and treasure into. Senator Dorf McCain wants to continue this sham for 100 years if “necessary” to “win”.

    This is the war Hillary Clinton has supported and constantly defended.

  21. 30

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Yeah the surge worked – just like we were welcomed as liberators – our mission was accomplished and we found the WMDs. Keep the lie alive right wingers – it’s all you have left.

  22. 33

    Puddybud spews:

    SeattleJew@22: That cracked me up. Good joke. Except Donna is one of othee three lefties.

    Still that was funny.

    Regarding the Supreme Court, I can’t help you.

  23. 34

    busdrivermike spews:


    So Iran has taken over southern Iraq due to Republican incompetance, and the best you can come up with this is something that will actually make Obama look better since it will highlight that fact that he rose from nothing to be President?

    You sir, are a partisan hack who sees everything through a Rush Limbaugh inspired prism.

  24. 35


    @31 Pudddy, you are R$REACHING for something serious to say! Next thing you will want to bring up the fact that Obama went by another name for a long time. Shocking.

    to all HA/DL crew

    FWIW …

    Despite my impression sin the past, PB is not a 14 year old white girl from Isssaquah. I met the real PB at DL last week and was surprised. He is a 6’2 guy who works for Microisoft and is actually more intellignet than (at least by my standards) then I would thought. Literate even!

    So how comes it that this guy passes for an underage Goldwater Girl? I think he does it because he enjoys role playing. Too bad. It would be nterested in seeing what smebody ike this … wnother one tof the Godamn America crowd form Philly that seem to infest HA, has to say about other matters.

    So Puddy, come out of the costuime .. maybe keep “Puddy” as a sock puppet pet?

  25. 36

    Puddybud spews:

    Golly ByeByeGOP, the planted $100,000 was missing $10,000 and was found in his home freezer.

    Yes to the demented mind og BBG they planted the money in his freezer, which he doesn’t deny having…

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    Puddybud spews:

    SeattleJew: Not all of those who came from Philly are bad… Just the ones from the suburbs seem to tilt left.

  27. 41

    YLB spews:

    Now this must pizz off

    What piSSes me off are right wing shitheads stealing from my kid’s future.

    Apparently that piSSed off the people at that Washington Nationals game. The sight of that idiot chimp should give anyone with a heart and a mind the feeling of motion sickness.

    Things will be set right in November, that is, if Rove and his gang of criminals doesn’t steal it again.

  28. 42

    Daddy Love spews:

    Again, now we’ve seen firsthand that that the Badr Brigade can just make a phone call and get a face-to-face with the head of Iran’s Quds Revolutionary Guard. If you haven’t been following on your program, the Badr Brigade is the Iran-originated militia that makes up the majority of the official Iraqi security forces and is ISSI’s own little military wing (ISSI and Dawa parties being the coalition that keep Nouri al-Maliki in power). So, what can we conclude from this?
    1. That our “allies” in the Dawa and ISSI parties are at least as deeply involved with Iran, and maybe more so, than the Mahdi Army.
    2. That they had to ASK for peace, which means Sadr and JAM (short for the Mahdi army) have the upper hand.
    3. Sadr is now seen as having humiliated Maliki both politically and militarily, which puts him in a stronger position for the October 1 elections (assuming they occur).

    I still see Moqtada al-Sadr as last man standing in Iraq. We should leave it to the Iraqis to sort out their little squabbles. It’s clear we have NO influence there. Successful surge and all that, don’t you know.

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    @37 Puddy, higher than 6 2 .. heh. Quite abrag for 14 yo!

    As for where one live sin Philly, form Boston .. I hate to say this .. you all look alike to us. All we know id that the founder had to hide there while boaston fought off the Brits single handed.

    Hope to see you more at DL!

    BTW .. if you have time to do so, I am very interested in comments on the Rev Wright exchange with the NY Times over at SJ. I would also like to engage you in discussio9n about school refomr.

  30. 45

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #20 Puddybud says:

    This week with George Steponallofus and their “round table”.
    Paul Krugman, Donna Brazile, Robert Reich, George Steponallofus, vs. George Will. That’s 4 against 1. Really balanced.

    Fair fight. The truth is, it takes 4 left-wingnuts to equal 1 conservative.

  31. 46


    Puddy (back at 8:18 PM, regarding robo-calls)

    We’ve been seeing a bit of this around here, too. I’ve been working a phone bank, calling Obama delegates, and some of them have said that they received calls with incorrect caucus dates. Not many, but it’s troubling.

    While the Texas chair noted that robo-call equipment is cheap, in reality it can be done by anyone with a computer and modem, and I’m not even sure it requires a modem. High speed internet and the right program might do it.

    Not all that easy to trace, if the folks know what they’re doing, especially if the folks are careful about who they call, and prosecuting it would be even harder.

    Unfortunately, we have a few individuals that seem to believe that since the Republicans have done it to us in the past, it is now acceptable practice for us. Some folks on this board have even said so.

    No, I don’t think that dirty tricks are nearly as prevelant within the Democratic Party as they are within the Republicans, but it only takes a very few people who are willing to do anything to get their candidate elected to pull some of these stunts, and discredit the entire party.

    I, for one, would simply drum them out and send them packing. We don’t want or need their “help”. We won’t defeat the neo-cons by becoming neo-cons, and if we can beat the dirty tricks using open, honest politics, perhaps we can even encourage the honest folks over on the other side to take their party back from the crooks and liars.

    Hey, I can hope, can’t I?

  32. 47

    correctnotright spews:

    That is because we outnumber the rightwingnuts 4:1 in America. Also, one loud rightwingnut spouting lies from talk radio require2 4 fact checkers to disprove the crap coming out.

    Where are the right wingers on the traditional republican issues?

    1. Budget deficits (now that Bush has broken the record set by Reagan in his proposed budgets)

    2. State’s rights: Now that bush is opposing Oregons death with dignity and California’s CAFE standards.

    3. Individual liberties: Now that bush has illegally wiretapped americans and used torture illegally.

    4. Nation building: Gee – we weren’t supposed to do it in Bosnia where it worked but in Iraq, where everyone with a brain knew it wouldn’t.

    Gee- no wmds, no nuclear threat, no democracy in the Middle east, no bin Laden, no need for more troops, no problem since Iraq will pay for itself and no treating the US as liberators. How many times can so few be so wrong in pursuit of such

  33. 48

    GBS spews:

    @ 45:

    Yeah we don’t need Robo calls.

    I sure hope some idiot doesn’t call in bomb threats to polling stations that are target rich I mean heavily Republican strongholds.

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    It has also occurred to me that neither campaign may be responsible for these. It seems a remarkably clumsy way of actually garnering more delegates, but perhaps a good way of increasing the tension between the two campaigns.

    At this point, with the Obama camp focused on the Clinton camp and vice versa, and tempers running a bit hot, this could easily stir up more of that “if my candidate doesn’t win, I’ll vote for McCain” sentiment.

    And that would be a win for the Republicans no matter which candidate won.

  35. 51

    Puddybud spews:

    Now John, you can’t pin this on the Republicans. That would be a ByeByeGOOBER oops… NotRightStillStupid… oops… Left Turdball move.

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    @48 As a jew I am mystified. Why would anyone see antisemitism in this. I see an erudite rationa criticism. maybe his problme is that he is librrul.

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    I’m not “pinning” this on anyone. Just pointing out that it would be an exceptionally stupid move for either Democratic candidate, and a clever, if totally unscrupulous move for the Republicans.

    But just because it would be exceptionally stupid, doesn’t mean that some Clinton or Obama supporter didn’t do it. It would really surprise me to find anyone actually connected with either group doing it.

    Just from a purely pragmatic position, too much effort for too little return, and much too likely to backfire, because it’s just too easy to verify the dates.

    But if someone wanted to turn up the heat under both camps, getting them even more distrustful of each other than they are now, it would be a smart move.

    Remember that the polls are saying that there are significant groups in each camp that say they will vote Republican if their candidate loses. While I doubt that most of those folks would actually follow through, if enough hard feelings could be generated, big groups might stay home.

    Voter suppression has been a tradition among the Republicans, and there are more than a few neo-con groups outside the party itself that have pulled other voter suppression stunts in the past.

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    Maybe, maybe not. But one thing for certain. This would benefit the Republicans a lot more than either Democrat.

    Could the Hillary camp be doing a “if we can’t win, then give it to the Republicans”? Maybe. It would set her up for another run in 2012. But that would be a very risky move, especially if it ever got out.

    Could it be some misguided RES types that are so single-mindedly supporting Ms. Clinton that they don’t see (or care about) the damage that this would do? Yes, it could.

    But, the only candidate this is really likely to help is Senator McCain. No, I don’t think he or his campaign authorized this, or would even approve of it.

    The Speakers Roundtable, however, would do this in a heartbeat.