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    proud leftist spews:

    What does “patriot” mean? Does it mean, like those old bumper stickers said in the early 70s, “America, Love it or leave it”? Or, might it mean something else? Something like pride in the rule of law, founded in a Constitution that has endured for over 200 years, though presently facing a maelstrom of Alberto Gonzaleses and Dick Cheneys? I consider myself a patriot. At the same time, I am ashamed of my country in the international sphere. How could anyone who has crossed borders and who can think be proud of us right now? We are acting like the Holy Roman Empire, but not likely to last as long. That does not make me proud. Nor does the domestic spying that is now going on. Could one of you rightwingers out there tell me how exporting your version of democracy makes this country look better to the rest of the world? (By the way, wingnuts, the USA is not the entire world.)

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    ArtFart spews:

    I like the definition of “patriot” implied by a statement made by Merle Haggard in an interview back when public support for the Vietnam adventure was just starting to unravel:

    “If you don’t love America, you should leave. If you do love America, stay and fix the sumbitch!”

  3. 3

    ArtFart spews:

    1 Proud Leftist, I’d expect you’ll not get a cogent answer from any ‘winger dupe until he finishes a thoroughgoing close visual inspection of his own hemorrhoids.

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    proud leftist spews:

    Merle Haggard is a true patriot, from my perspective. His latest disk has a tune sharply criticizing our Iraq folly. Haggard, who did some time in prison as we know, is an old blue collar Democrat who has done quite well. While I believe he is supporting Hillary for president, I suspect when she does not get the nomination, he’ll vote for Obama. Kris Kristofferson said that “Okie from Mescogee,” which became a rightwing rallying song in the late 60s, was a joke from Merle. I think it was. He wrote it in about 12 minutes.

  5. 5

    Liberal Values spews:

    Limited time only… Spitzer special get a hooker for half price only $2,000.00. Half off.

  6. 6

    DustinJames spews:

    Dear Mr. Obama,

    As the candidate who was running on the premise of change, and hope, and restoring trust back in Washington with a new kind of leader, you presented yourself as a uniter. A person who would “Rise Up” and “Change” Washington.

    At first, I kept an open ear to your statements, much like I listened to John Edwards. And then, the initial Rezko scandal hit. And I didn’t honestly think it hurt you too bad. And then, you released your economic plan, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t like how you wanted to raise taxes by 1.3 trillion dollars. I didn’t like how you didn’t support immediate foreclosure relief. I didn’t like how you wanted to keep borrowing $300 billion dollars from foreign governments to support your new spending proposals. But I still listened.

    I listened mostly because I heard the rest of the country praising your name, and it’s not always fun going against what your friends are doing. I listened because I wanted to feel that “gotcha” moment that had fallen over the rest of my co-workers and the online communities that I read. I was still listening.

    And then you started flip flopping on the issues. On Gun Control. On Universal Heath Care. On taking money from people to water down Senate bills (hint: If it walks like a lobbyist, talks like a lobbyist, and acts like a lobbyist… it’s not a mongoose.) And Mr. Obama, I started tuning out a little. But I was still listening.

    I listened to you talk about “Change” and say that our nation needed to “Rise Up”. It sort of sounded like a broken record from earlier, but I listened.

    And then I heard about Jeremiah Wright. I heard about him in March of 2007. And you were not strong on him then, but you did disavow his statement, the one you were “told” about. I thought “Maybe” back then, if he’s able to disavow someone like his own Pastor, he may be the real deal. But then we learned you kept him on your campaign committee. That’s not action Mr. Obama, that isn’t change – that’s an old political stunt of “I say one thing, but I do another.”

    But I kept listening, I wanted to hear how you would handle this crisis. This was your moment to shine. And then I heard you, your own words, say that you weren’t aware that your own Pastor had said ANY of these words in his sermons besides the one you were alerted to back in March 2007.

    I’ve been to church many times Mr. Obama, but not a regular. And even being a casual lay person to the church, I KNEW what was going on, I heard about what the pastor’s last sermon was all about. Mr. Obama, I went maybe once a month on a good month, and I knew what happened over the past month. And that’s without my church having a website that sold the sermons or offered web replays of them on demand.

    But what has happened now, with the countless speeches, given on many different days, that have been brought to light, and with your acknowledged church attendance since 1992 on today’s interviews, you expect us – not as political hacks, but as Americans – to believe you when you say that you didn’t know of ANY of the hate filled speech that was going on?

    Mr. Obama, most of America doesn’t believe you. We believe you have lied to our faces to cover your butt. You probably would have gotten out of this with less damage if you would have admitted that you knew about some of the hate filled crap that your pastor was spewing, but then tried defending him on his positive points that I’ve heard about him, like being a U.S. Marine, or the work that he and your church tries to do in the Chicago community.

    It is clear now Mr. Obama, that you could only keep this charade up for so long. Nearly all the comments on the news message boards are things along these lines:

    “My feelings for Obama have definitely changed. I really think the people of United States have an obligation to research Senator Obama and what he believes before they give him an office to lead all the people in the country.”

    “Obama must be the only church goer who does not know what his preacher preaches. With this sort of attention to main themes I dont think he should run for office any longer.”

    “I found Mr. Obama’s responses to be questionable. My support for Obama is in jeopardy. It is very hard to belive that after 20 years Barack could be suprised by the Pastor’s comments.”

    I could go on, but you can go on to ABC News, CNN, and MSNBC and read them for yourself. They are overwhelmingly distrustful of you and your statement. And this is from the internet community who traditionally is your best demographic; who has defended you to the end on past issues.

    It is now clear Mr. Obama, that the jig is up, and you have let your candidacy be permanently damaged. You have provided overwhelming fodder for Republicans in the general election. This lie, Mr. Obama, has ended any chance of myself or most Americans being able to support you. It is not the racist statements of your supporter, Mr. Obama, it is this lie that you have told with self-conviction that you did not know your pastor said any of these statements.

    Continuing to stay in the democratic contest will do nothing but hurt you and hurt our chances in the general election. It is now, Mr. Obama, time to exit with grace and support the only candidate who still has a chance of defeating John McCain: Hillary Clinton.

    Do the right thing Mr. Obama, and drop out now.

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    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Cripes, little Dusty, you are so full of shit, it even bleeds into your writing.

    But don’t worry, you will always have FOX News at your back.

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    The Real Mark spews:

    Blatantly Oblivious @ 7

    Facts are stubborn things. It is not just Fox. The other channels have the video tape, too. The only difference is that Fox isn’t gushing about how Obama gives them a tingle up the leg. [see: Russert, Tim; MSNBC aka Massively Slanted National Barack Channel]

    Kinda sucks when even Left-leaning Saturday Night Live comes out against your guy, huh?

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    ByeByeGOP spews:

    The really bad news for the righties is this…

    ALL they have and I mean ALL they have to rely on is this kind of shit. Facts that matter? They got nothing.

    How are they going to combat the following when we get to November no matter WHO the Dems run?

    1) JohnBoy McCain is 72
    2) JohnBoy McCain has had multiple affairs with other women while married
    3) JohnBoy McCain left his first wife because she was disfigured in a car crash
    4) JohnBoy McCain has a reputation for having a bad temper
    5) JohnBoy McCain is asshole buddies with GW Bush – the most unpopular President in recent history
    6) JohnBoy McCain supports a 100 year war in Iraq when 70% of Americans want out
    7) JohnBoy McCain gave aid and comfort to our enemies by providing information to the NVA while he was held prisoner in Viet Nam
    8) JohnBoy McCain’s current mistress is a lobbyist who has received favors from McCain
    9) JohnBoy McCain’s already flip flopped on dozens of major issues and that record won’t be easy to spin
    10) JohnBoy McCain was called unfit for this job by every right wing radio talk show host in America
    11) JohnBoy McCainw was called unfit for this job by dozens of high-ranking GOP members during the campaign for the nomination
    12) JohnBoy McCain won’t release his medical records for fear that we’ll find out more about his Cancer
    13) JohnBoy McCain and the GOP haven’t got as much money to spend this time around as the Dems – a first in Presidential politics
    14) JohnBoy McCain will inherit and have to explain the Bush recession
    15) JohnBoy McCain will inherit and have to explain the most horrible economy in decades – all created under GOP watch – nice little accomplishments like the largest US budget deficit in history (NOT counting what we’re wasting in Iraq) – the largest trade deficit in history – most mortgage delinquency since the Great Depression – least amount of savings since the Great Depression, etc.

    I could go on and eventually will as will all the other true Americans who realize that JohnBoy McCain will finish the job that AWOL coward GW Bush started – that is to try to destroy America.

  10. 10

    Another TJ spews:

    see: Russert, Tim

    This may come as a surprise to you, but, even though Tim Russert and Chris Matthews are both tools, they are, in fact, different people.

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    All praise to brother Dustin James.

    BUT you left out the rest of the story!!!!!

    John McCain is also a cryptoracist. He conceals this but he is a infian lover and wants to give large parts back to his casion owning, Liquor swilling, redskin supporters!

    There is on one TRUE Amerrcan in this race, born an American, of American parents, never hid out for five years as a the guest of a communist country or spend trime with some savages supporting their claim that the US should never have existed. That same person is the only candidate who supports the Don’t Burn My Flag Amendment and voted to protect our marriages from the unholy threat of marriage between homosexuals.

    This hero stood by her man when he strayed, raised a wonderful daughter who is now a young hero of her own .. nobly serving this country on Wall Street.

    As for Mr. Obama, SHAME on him … shame for attending a racist Black church that wants to overthrow the very government that provides free drugs to his people and feeds them even when they are too lazy to work. SHAME.

    Hillary our man in 08!

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    delbert spews:

    Aww, turns out the Obamassiah is just another crooked Chicago politician…

    with his own personal Al Sharpton (Rev. Wright) with Tony Rezko playing the part of Norman Hsu.

    For as dirty as he’s turned out to be… You’d think there’d be more actual, you know, experience.

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    The Real Mark spews:

    ATJ @10 “…Tim Russert and Chris Matthews are both tools…”

    I stand corrected, sir (or ma’am… or.. transgender person… or whatever).

  14. 14


    Thanks Big Gipper, I appreciate the support.

    I know this is a liberal blog, it says so! But why is it that they support an antiamerican, half baked kid from Kenya when the obvious candidate is Hillalry the Rodham Clinton?

    I will tell you why …

    Obama is Black and many of the people here think affirmative action is the answser to all the things that went wrong with slavery. These same Kucinich loving liberals go nits when their pet, Ron Sims, dares to disagree with them on light rail. How can a Black even have an opinion on light rail! Black people, Obama and Sims, should wait their time, achieve middle class status and then run for office.

    I do have two gripes. First, some have posted here that you are my sockpuppet … even caling me a “Trojan.” While we both support Mrs. Clinton, we do so very different reasons. You see her as a Republican while I see her as a centrist Democrat. I find your language sometimes a bit impolite. So, could you please tell people we are noit the same person?

    Second, whule I enjoy your posts, the closing line about Hillary being our “man” offends me. As the first post menopausal President, Mrs. Clinton’s manliness really should not be a question.

    Tx and keep up the good work.

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    The Real Mark spews:

    BBG @ 9

    If that’s all you’ve got — a half-baked list (as opposed to you, who is undoubtedly totally baked) — then the GOP has nothing to worry about. Besides, your party of patchouli-soaked layabouts always manages to screw their own pooch in the end anyway.

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    Don Joe spews:

    Um. ‘Scuse me, but what, exactly, is “racist” about anything Rev. Wright has said? Or, is anything said by an angry Black man inherently racist?

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    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Yeah Marky stick your head in the sand and keep believing. Wasn’t it you who said similar bullshit about Dem chances during the last election where we bitch slapped your guys, treated them like left-handed, red-headed step children, then threw the bastards out of office and took over – leaving you and yours to hide under GW’s dress? We took over Congress – we’ll take over the White House. Too bad – it must suck to be you.


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    Proud to be an Ass spews:

    I stay up nights wondering if Sen. Clinton is white enough.

    I mean how white should one be in order to be effective? If you are too white, is that a strike against you? Did she have identity issues when younger, or agonize over her authenticity, her place in the world?

    Most importantly, when she said “all options should be on the table” was she referring to relations with Iran or her presidential campaign?

    Help me out here, Dustin.

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    Upton spews:

    We sure have come far in this country haven’t we? So far, that white folks still don’t like that black man speaking up, even if it’s in a predominantly black church.

    Now we have Clinton people suggesting we support Hillary. Why? I’m a Democrat, Clinton is a DINO.

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    ArtFart spews:

    Uhhhh….methinks this thread is turning into a masquerade ball, or else several people are ‘way off their meds.

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    Proud to be an Ass spews:

    @6: Where did Dustin cut&paste this from? Does this make him a plagarist. If he is a plagarist, does that make him a liar? And if he is a liar, can we disregard everything he writes as a lie also?

    These are important questions that need be addressed directly by Mr James. His disavowal cannot be judged genuine unless it is complete and delivered with a sincerely believable degree of denounceful renouncement.

    If not, well, “all options are on teh table”.

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    Daddy Love spews:

    Shorter Dustin James:

    Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright.

    And, I’d like to add, Wright.

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    Daddy Love spews:

    As we all know, Barack Obama is ahead of Hillary Clinton in the number of votes received. Also in the number of delegates pledged to support him. He leads in the number of primaries won (16-12) and in the number of caucuses won (a remarkable 14-3). He has won more primaries in Red states, and won more primaries in Blue states.

    Hillary Clinton can’t catch up to him, but insetad of being the bigger person and pulling out when she can’t win, her campaign has childishly decided to tear down what they can’t have.

    The question is, do you want an election where the negative campaign guarantees at best a sub-50% win, or an election in which our nominee Barack Obama can receive a true mandate with which to govern? That choice looks easy. Go home, Hillary. It’s over.

  24. 25

    Daddy Love spews:

    11 TBG

    …spend time with some savages

    Yeah, it’s all because he’s black, isn’t it? I am surprised you never mentioned monkeys.

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    The Real Mark spews:

    BBG @ 17

    Lemme see… Wasn’t it YOU guys who were convinced Darcy “Car Wreck” Burner was going to take her race? Oooops! I wonder if the media will pick up on the lawsuit filed last month (King Co. Sup. Ct. 08-2-06920-6). Wonder if it is related to the child-occupied car she hit a while back.

    On a national level, you should be looking at Barack’s poll negatives… 49%! Yet another contest where he’s going after Hillary’s numbers. Keep it up, you wacky kids!

  26. 27


    @6: That’s brilliant parody. You almost had me until I got to the punchline about Hillary being able to beat John McCain, then I finally got the joke. HA!

    The Onion couldn’t do it any better.

  27. 28

    Daddy Love spews:

    26 TRM

    You mean Darcy Burner got in a car accident? Surely no one in history has ever done such a thing!

  28. 29

    The Real Mark spews:

    Me @ 26

    Further research shows it IS related to the FOUR-CAR ACCIDENT that Darcy caused (and that injured a young child). However, the plaintiff appears to be a different party than the one with the children.

    Does this mean that her campaign info will now read:

    Darcy Burner (D*)
    * – for Defendant

  29. 31

    The Real Mark spews:

    DL @ 28

    Not just a car accident. A FOUR-CAR accident that SHE CAUSED and that INJURED A CHILD (and possibly another party, based on the lawsuit). If I were one of you fact-challenged Lefties, I’d start squawking that she must have been DUI, but that’s not what the police report says.

  30. 32

    Daddy Love spews:

    31 TRM

    So from where does this lawsuit arise? Luke Esser? I mean, the Burners are required to be insured, so what’s the deal? Can you point to any documents?

    This sounds like a job for Richard Pope.

  31. 33

    The Real Mark spews:

    DL @ 28 “You mean Darcy Burner got in a car accident? Surely no one in history has ever done such a thing!”

    Well, the Left doesn’t have too good a history with those things.

  32. 34

    The Real Mark spews:

    DL @ 32

    I just happened to run across the lawsuit (case number cited above) when I was looking up the specifics on the original accident. Richard was the one who pulled the police report back when it happened (still available on SoundPolitics). The plaintiff in the lawsuit filed last month is one of the victims of the accident.

    It is all fine and well if the Burners are insured. However, that doesn’t excuse the fact that Darcy’s negligence (at best) caused the accident. Don’t know why — and I won’t speculate — but the most important fact is that at least one person (a child) was physically hurt by her actions. Maybe this suit is just for vehicle damage. I hope so. Because all the insurance money in the world can’t always set everything right.

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    Raymond Shaw spews:

    Faux News: They lower their standards so even a ‘tard can make some kind of twisted sense of his surroundings. It would be funny if the idiots who watch it were not allowed to vote. The light of intelligence is a dim light indeed in the eye of a Faux viewer — where brightness only shines when the red hot button of hate is pushed in their warped little brains.

    These Faux newspeople KNOW what they are doing, which is why I view them as no better than Jew-baiting nazis. As Jed Clampett would say: “And a good ‘Faversham’ to you , sir!”

  34. 36

    Daddy Love spews:

    34 TRM

    Uh-uh. One can be at fault for an accident without being negligent. And accidents happen every day, and sometimes people get injured. It’s sad but true.

    If you have specific knowledge of alleged negligence on her part, perhaps you should mention it. If you don’t, your speculation is meaningless.

  35. 37

    FreedomLover spews:

    Obfuscate. Redirect. Change the subject. Anything but Obama’s pastor problem. 3 words will doom his candidacy. “God Damn America.”.

  36. 38

    YLB spews:

    patchouli-soaked layabouts

    LMAO!!! Surreal Mark you have descended to the depths. Turn up the Limpblows, Insanity Hannity and Felafel O’Reilly!


  37. 39

    The Real Mark spews:

    DL @ 36

    The initial police report says Darcy caused the collision by virture of a “failure to control speed” — and that, at least commonly, if not legally, is negligence.

    Yes, accidents happen every day and people get injured. However, that does not mean we have to merely accept it. It especially doesn’t mean that we can’t hold those whose actions or inactions or carelessness or negligence led to the event responsible for their behavior and the consequences of said behavior.

    To borrow a overly dramatic phrase, Darcy was in control of a one-ton death machine and she failed to act responsibly. And now she is being sued for it.

    Whether is is Obama and his personal associations (going back to the original topic) or Darcy behind the wheel, it is a question of judgment (or lack thereof).

  38. 40

    Hannah spews:

    Off the subject of Obama and Burner.
    Has anyone read the story in the Times how Washington state inflation rose higher and faster than nationwide? No wonder it is almost unaffordable to live here nowadays.

  39. 41

    The Real Mark spews:

    YLB (aka Patchouli-Soaked Layabout) @ 38

    Alas, you’re right… I have sadly sunk to your level with my comments. And I’m deeply, DEEPLY sorry. Maybe I can make you feeeeel better by merely “denouncing and rejecting” something?

    Perhaps I’m wrong about you being patchouli-soaked — at least all of the time. Perhaps you only douse yourself in it when you go out protesting. If that is the case, I accept your clarification.

  40. 42

    YLB spews:

    So Obama’s is going to go down because of words his preacher said at sermons that Obama might not have even attended.

    Everything that comes out of the mouth of a preacher automatically means that all their congregation agree?

    Silly illogic.

    The right wing crazies have plenty of hate-filled preachers on their side for whom their politicians scramble for endorsements.

    I’m sure we can find a fiery preacher out there where Bill or Hillary attended services for political gain.

  41. 43

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    The Real Marl: Maybe Darcy was speeding over to Goldy’s to discuss his next blatantly obvious thread gushing about Her Darciness and she was imprudent in her speed.

  42. 44

    Hannah spews:

    @YLB- AGREED!! Who cares If Obama attended the sermon…as long as he doesn’t agree. Same goes for Hillary and McCain…we need to quit blaming them for other people’s thoughts and words.

  43. 45

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@42: You support Goldy and His Minions with thread 4455 where this guy is NOT McCain’s pastor?

    You are soooooo stupid and stiiiiiiiill an idiot.

  44. 46

    The Real Mark spews:

    PP @ 43

    Actually, I believe the speculation is that she (truly) was racing to or from her filing to run in 2006.

    In either case, “imprudent” greatly minimizes the actions or negligence required to cause (police determination) a four-car wreck.

  45. 47

    YLB spews:

    I have sadly sunk to your level with my comments.

    No you’ve merely become a fully fledged member of the surreal right.

    And I’m deeply, DEEPLY sorry.

    I really doubt you’re telling the truth here. Can’t know for sure of course but let’s say the probability is high given my experience with the surreal right.

    Maybe I can make you feeeeel better by merely “denouncing and rejecting” something?

    Nothing you would write have any effect on me. If it is hate -filled, I’ll call it as such and from what I can tell, that’s what it is.

    I call as I see it. You’re here to hate.

    You can’t stop what’s coming in November.

  46. 49

    YLB spews:

    You support Goldy and His Minions with thread 4455 where this guy is NOT McCain’s pastor?

    Hey Stupes – it’s holier than thou day! WTF are you doing here? Is the wife going to batter you with the rolling pin?

    Dive under the bed Stupes.

    Code Pink!


  47. 50

    Raymond Shaw spews:

    One could point out that Lyndon LaRouche has said many hateful things — and he’s white.

  48. 51


    That clip bored me. I know what the creator of that clip wants me to think after I watched it, but I refuse to drink the Koolaid, but I see many others on this blog already have. You’re a bunch of sheep.

  49. 52

    Daddy Love spews:


    Um, gong back to the actual original topic, John McCain has happily embraced the specific endorsement from Catholic-hating, Israel-destroying Pastor John Hagee and somehow I don’t hear you telling us how it’s a “question of judgment” about McCain and his “personal associations.”

  50. 53

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@48: Rolling pin? Is that how jo mana disciplines her wayward child?

    I’ll ask again, since you can’t answer a question: “You support Goldy and His Minions with thread 4455 where this guy is NOT McCain’s pastor?

    You are still soooooo stupid and a progressive idiot.

  51. 54

    The Real Mark spews:

    YLB @ 42

    Obama was more than a plain ol’ citizen in the pews on the occasional Sunday and the garbage spewed by his hate-filled and racist pastor happened on a number of occasions across a good span of time. Not to mention the pastors numerous associations with Farrakhan.

    By maintaining such a prominent association in such obvious circumstances, Obama calls into question his own judgment. Add to that his personal associations with the Weather Underground terrorist and his dimwitted foreign policy pronouncements… Obama is right. It DOES come down to judgment. And Obama seriously lacks it.

    All of the rock star stuff is scripted. He is a good ACTOR. If you doubt that, listen to the difference when he isn’t reading from a TelePrompTer or when he doesn’t know the questions in advance. “Hey… I’ve answered like 8 questions already…”

  52. 55

    YLB spews:

    53 – Give the url and cite where Goldy or anyone else claimed Hagee was McCain’s preacher. Did I say that?

    No of course not. You’re a liar.

  53. 56

    Hannah spews:

    Let’s see Obama has his pastor, McCain has his pastor…so how about everyone agree they both have extreme pastors? We can’t point out one pastor over the other, that would be hypocritical on both sides.

    Hillary has extreme campaign managers, just no pastor yet!

  54. 58

    Daddy Love spews:

    the reason for the “patriotism” meme re: Obama is just political positioning for McCain. Fox News is a bought-and-paid-for outlet for the Republican Party.

  55. 59

    YLB spews:

    54 – Where’s the facts Mr. Surrealism. Dates, times, no of occurrences, patterns? Clips from Faux Noise doesn’t cut it.

    All you’ve got is guilt by association. Totally silly.

    That Weather Underground crap is SO WEAK. You can’t do better than that? That’s crank material!

    And Obama has a speech writer? OMIGOD! Raygun didn’t have a speech writer. Now McCain – there’s a guy who needs a speech writer!

    How losing are you?!?

  56. 60

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@55: The left first used against Bush. Look here Clueless Idiot: – “Spiritual Advisor and White House Official Defend Bush’s Faith”

    I gave you thread post 4455 but being the ignorant one and an idiot:

    “The General has more on Sen. John McCain’s spiritual adviser.”

    See that was easy.

  57. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, I know what isn’t patriotic: Goose-stepping in lockstep with flag-waving xenophobes, never questioning their murderous program of attacking other countries and peoples, wrapping the flag around their crimes, and impugning the patriotism of those who question their idiocies. Such people — which includes most wingers — are fake patriots; they are the very antithesis of patriotism; they are the nation’s worst enemy and the source of many wrongs in the world.

  58. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    6, 11 – How strange politics is; somehow it has transformed Hillary Clinton into the wingnuts’ favorite candidate.

  59. 67

    YLB spews:

    60 – You can’t fucking read you fool. Pastor and “spiritual advisor” aren’t the same thing. And like the General, Goldy was only satirizing – you’re only doing your typical lying or dense routine.

    McCain trolled that crazy’s congregation for votes. That’s a fact.

    Note to surreal Mark: Puddyprick supposedly supports Obama.

  60. 69

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Ahhh yes Clueless Idiot: Goldy was satirizing? So everything he writes about Darcy is satire? Yes I do agree with you.

    Yes I like Obama and I told everyone here why. But I have some problems with Obama rejecting Romans 1 saying Paul was an obscure prophet and I have

  61. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @20 “Uhhhh….methinks this thread is turning into a masquerade ball, or else several people are ‘way off their meds.”

    Nah, just run-of-the-mill wingnut bullshit. Of all the lies told by our wingnut trolls, the whopper they spout most frequently is that they’re Democrats or independents or centrists or whatever — that they’re anything except the wingnuts they actually are. This is understandable, considering how discredited their GOP brand name has become. It’s on the same level as Richard Nixon insisting, “I am not a crook!”

  62. 72

    Harold spews:

    Yes, and the Obama “I never heard Wright give any angry, hateful sermons” defense would be exactly like one of the HA commenters here saying that they have never read any profanity in any of Goldy’s posts. Wright uses angry hate sermons as his stylistic device in the same way that Goldy uses profanity. It is as certain as the sunrise. No voter will be dumb enough to buy this lame excuse from Obama.

    But I am sure it helps you all to stay insulated, when you can write off anything troubling with Obama’s inner circle of friends and confidants, as simply a “Fox Attack.”

  63. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @64 ooooooo … did I insinuate wingnuts are a bunch of brain-dead, khaki-wearing, stiff-arm-saluting, nazi fools? Well, maybe you don’t wear khaki …

  64. 74

    YLB spews:

    So everything he writes about Darcy is satire?

    I didn’t say that. Someone with a brain knows the difference. You obviously don’t – have a brain that is.

  65. 76

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @54 So, in your topsy turvy world, Obama is what he hears someone else say? Does that mean if I read your wingnut sputum on this blog, that makes me a wingnut too?

  66. 77

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@74: So how do you know when Goldy is writing satire and a real attack or real support?

    You use your brain to choose? So when Goldy is writing his anti-right commentary it’s just satire. You and I both know it’s fodder for the brain arrested type such as you to comment on.

    I stand by what I wrote earlier. Hagee was used to attack McCain not as satire.

  67. 78

    YLB spews:

    So let me get this straight. Obama is pro-terrorist because he went to Bill Ayer’s house tagging along with Alice Palmer, his predeccessor in the Illinois Senate?

    How weak is this shit? McCain and Clinton must be sooooo desperate.

    Here’s a great quote:

    Though he is a respected figure in liberal educational circles, Ayers wrote recently about how in 2006 he was informed he was persona non grata at a progressive educators’ conference in the summer of 2006.
    We cannot risk a simplistic and dubious association between progressive education and the violent aspects of your past,” he quoted the conference organizers, whom he described as friends, as writing to him.

    Simplistic and dubious association – that’s Puddyprick’s, Surreal Mark’s and Dustin James’ arguments.

  68. 79

    YLB spews:

    77 – The General and Goldy were making fun of McCain’s choices – he chose to get the endorsement of a crazy.

    Of course they were attacking him. Did you ever know political satire that wasn’t considered an attack by someone?

    Did they say Hagee was McCain’s “pastor” like you said?

    NO. YOU DID THAT. You’re such an idiot!

  69. 80

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@79: A pastor is a spiritual advisor to that person you ignorant of religious thinking.

    pastor definition:
    1. Minister, counselor, mentor
    2. A Christian minister or priest having spiritual charge over a congregation or other group.
    3. A layperson having spiritual charge over a person or group.
    4. A shepherd.
    5. A spiritual overseer

    As I see you need help, read what the DU has to say about Hagee:


    You can’t run or hide Clueless Idiot.

  70. 81

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot: You are right, everything Goldy writes is satire. From now on any post Goldy writes for Darcy is satirical in nature. I’ll look at it as satire because you Clueless Idiot said it was so.

  71. 82

    YLB spews:

    I’m here Stupes.

    5 different meanings – which one did Goldy intend? Not the one you claim, liar!

    I’ve gone to DU maybe a half dozen times to read the top 10 conservative idiots which by the way you have failed to make. (Too stupid to be even a top 10 wingnut.)

    I don’t agree with everything people on my side of the fence writes – never have, never will.

    And I’m repeating myself for the benefit of the dense air inside your empty skull.

  72. 83

    YLB spews:

    81 – Liar, liar. I never said everything Goldy writes is satire.

    You just can’t stop lying about what other people say! Why is that Stupes?

  73. 84

    YLB spews:

    Hey why aren’t you at Church listening to your right wing preacher?

    Aren’t you supposed to reserve this day for God and put aside your silly ego?

  74. 85

    YLB spews:

    Wright uses angry hate sermons as his stylistic device in the same way that Goldy uses profanity. It is as certain as the sunrise.

    Until you point to proof of this, it’s just smoke out your ass.

  75. 86

    Daddy Love spews:

    Obama attends church.

    One of the pastors of that church says some crazy shit somewhere.

    Obama is asked about it. He says, “I don’t agree with that crazy shit.”

    Fox News and Dustin James: “Obama agrees with that crazy shit!”

    Yea, that all makes perfect GOP sense.

  76. 87

    Daddy Love spews:

    When’s John McCain going to release his tax returns?

    The only candidate who has? Why, it’s Barack Obama!

  77. 88

    Daddy Love spews:

    How come Barack Obama’s paying taxes when he hates America?

    Does John McCain even pay taxes at all?

  78. 89

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 69 Buddypud says

    have some problems with Obama rejecting Romans 1

    That’s funny, coming from someone who has rejected almost everything Jesus said at The Sermon on the Mount. Buddypud hates Jesus so much he actually threatened to kill the guy!

  79. 90

    Harold spews:

    YLB @85,

    Don’t shoot the messenger, Anderson Cooper asked Obama about this on CNN. He says he wasn’t aware. That’s the point. That is akin to a commenter here running for office, and having it come out that they are a frequent reader and commenter of HA. Then, when questioned as to whether or not they condone Goldy’s profanity, saying they are not aware that Goldy uses profanity.

    It stretches the imagination to think that Obama was both a serious member of Wright’s church, with Wright as his or one of his mentors, and yet simultaneously unaware of his vitriol. It’s theoretically possible that he just happened to miss every single hate filled sermon, but unlikely given that Wright seems to have an affinity for such language. And of course assuming that he did not agree with such sermons, or that others in the church would disagree, it’s unlikely that he never would have heard of what was said from another parishioner who was a friend or acquaintance.

    You obviously don’t want to believe that your candidate made some pretty poor choices for someone knowing he would be vetted for national office.

  80. 91

    Harold spews:


    It will take some courage, but go watch the video clips of Wright’s sermons.

    Do you agree that all of “White America” can be classed together and labeled the US of KKK America? Is that really something that anyone serious about national office should not have to answer to if indeed they attend a church with a pastor making such statements? What if George Bush attended a church where a white pastor called all of “Black America” a bunch of lazy welfare recipients. Wouldn’t that be a gross racist generalization? Then would it be grounds for concern on your part? I should sure hope so. Does it really further the dialog on racism to have a pastor make such a statement?

    Also, whether you agree with conspiratorial statements Wright made like “the government lied about Pearl Harbor” etc. you certainly cannot sit with a straight face and expect that there is not a sizable portion of the electorate, even Democrats, that would consider such a statement to be over-the-top. And if this is indeed Obama’s pastor and Obama’s church, he should be held accountable for his 20 year attendance to such ideology.

    And he will be by most voters, no matter what you wish it to be.

  81. 92

    McCain's A Cheater spews:

    Actually Marky I wasn’t posting here when Darcy had her first race. I will assume that your lack of denial proves my point. You were bragging then – as you are now – that the GOP would win and they got their asses kicked. We know your track record is about as strong as your grasp of fact.

  82. 93

    YLB spews:

    90,91 – Link to sources that back up your assertions otherwise to me it’s just hyperbole, out of context crap.

    I don’t deny Wright made some fiery speeches at one time or another. But I see NO EVIDENCE that Obama agrees with anything extremist or plans to do anything extremist if he’s elected to the White House.

    Obama’s record in the Illinois State legislature and the U.S. Senate does NOT point to extremism of any kind.

    The evidence instead points to YOU making propaganda.

  83. 94

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 90 Anderson Cooper asked Obama about this on CNN. He says he wasn’t aware.

    Obama has stated many times in the past, and since this revelation that he knew that Wright made many controversial statemente that he, Obama, disagreed with. Your statement is incorrect. Obama has simply now stated that he was not present when these particular preachments were made.

    Kind of deflates the rest of your argument, particularly in light of McCain seeking endorsements from racist preachers and anti-Catholic ministers. Not even mentioning Clinton’s use of blatant racists in the top tiers of her campaign staff.

  84. 95

    Harold spews:


    Uh no. The argument is that the average voter will see this as cause for concern. Go listen to Wright preach. It’s not a mainstream style. It’s something that should and does make most people feel uncomfortable. “God damn America.” “US of KKK America.” Get real. Is that not inflammatory?

    What kind of serious national candidate would not have greatly distanced themselves from such a statement? And not just as it came out, but long ago. And yet Obama has been affiliated with that church for 20 years. That’s the problem. It’s not plausible to most people that he could disavow the bad now, and yet still be a 20 year member of a community where such statements were demonstrably common.

    If this is the kind of man that has had any role at all in shaping Obama, and Obama has said as much, then voters will take that in to account.

  85. 96

    DustinJames spews:

    African American Pastors will denounce Barack Obama

    CNN (TV – so far not on their site) is reporting that a “sizeable” group of African American pastors are going to denounce Barack Obama for throwing his pastor under the bus. CNN is reporting that they not only will denounce him, but ask the African American community to stop supporting him. Apparently this is scheduled for tomorrow…

    Personally, I don’t think he’s worth being denounced for disassociating himself from his pastor, but I’m not African American, so I can’t speak from their perspective. To me, it was the only thing he could do if he wanted to stay in this thing.

    But apparently from the vibe I was getting from CNN TV – it’s upset a lot of the religious african american supporters he has (or, i guess, had).

  86. 97

    DustinJames spews:

    Oh, and @ 21 – I wrote that. I wrote it on the Hillary Clinton Live Journal last night that I post to –

    I also sent a shorter version of it to both papers in Seattle. Just yesterday, the Times had an editorial that said Clinton should drop out because of Ferraro’s remarks. Let’s see if they get the balls to publish my editorial in response.

    These remarks by Wright make Ferraro look sane.

  87. 98

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 95 Is that not inflammatory? Yes. But I fail to see your point. Obama has denounced the comments. And he previously distanced himself from many of Wright’s comments.

    Obama did NOT make these comments. A pastor at his church did, and Obama has denounced the comments. I am sure you will claim you have never been associated with someone who has made inflammatory comments before, but the rest of us are not liars.

    You keep seeing a “there”, when there is no there, there.

    @ 97, little dusty, your accuracy in reporting the vibes “you’ve seen” on TV has already been shot to hell. Bit then, being the wingnut you are, I know it will never stop you from attempting to place importance on “your vibes”.

  88. 99

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    These remarks by Wright make Ferraro look sane.

    Perhaps to a wingnut racist, but to a person using their brain and not their “vibes”, Ferraro’s comments were absolutely horrifyingly, disgraceful.

  89. 100

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In today’s news, Chinese troops are swarming into Tibet to crush peaceful protests against Chinese rule. In Washington D.C., the GOP’s trained chimp apparently has no plans to invade Tibet to give Tibetans their freedom, even though he invaded Iraq ostensibly to give freedom to Iraqis. In fact, so far as I know, chimpface hasn’t said a damned thing about this brutal suppression of a gentle people and their culture.

    In other news, Sen. Barack Obama denounced intemperate tirades by his church’s pastor in past sermons which some people have interpreted as anti-American. Obama said he never heard the pastor make such remarks, and called them “inexcusable.”

    “Reverend Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life,” he wrote. “And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor and to seek justice at every turn.”

    It’s hard to tell which has conservatives more upset, Rev. Wright’s allegedly anti-American remarks, or urging his parishioners to help the poor and seek justice.

  90. 101

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    But, of course, both pale to McCain’s spiritual adivsor Hagee’s repulsive anti-human statements, whose endorsement McCain sought out.

  91. 104

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Disregard #102. I didn’t post it. My computer ran amok. Next thing you know it’ll post rabbit porn or something.

  92. 107

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Re 100: I suppose what wingnuts are so upset about is Rev. Wright’s interpretation of Jesus’ ministry as being about love and peace, which undercuts their view of Christianity as sanctioning war, torture, murder, looting, and lying when it’s done in Jesus’ name.

  93. 109

    Harold spews:

    @98. You can dismiss it all you want. I am not saying, hey look, Obama is a Muslim, etc. I think those criticisms are unfair. And I am not saying that Obama made these statements, or that he agrees with them. What I am saying is that regardless of whether or not he now denounces Wright, he’s had Wright as a substantial part of his life for 20 years. And that is of his own admission. Before all this came out, he often referred to Wright in a positive light with regards to him as a mentor, and to his spirituality, political guidance, etc. Wright was part of Obama’s life. And at very least, this is a serious judgment issue from a political perspective. Obama should have moved much further away from Wright when he decided he was going to start seeking much higher and national political office.

    There’s no way that the average person is not going to be taken aback by Obama’s long affiliation with Wright, given the audacity of Wright’s statements. And that appears to be bearing out in some polls and general sentiment. And in the sudden willingness of the MSM to discuss the issue.

  94. 110

    YLB spews:

    109 – What you’re saying is that people will be taken in by guilt by association and will look at the preacher instead of the candidate.

    Got it.

    Not buying it. Please sell elsewhere.

  95. 111

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @109 So what? McCain has consorted with dozens of known felons. And I’m not talking only about his fellow Republicans in Congress, although I’m certainly referring to them. McCain was one of the Keating Five, so is himself a crook. He also had such a poor performance record in the Navy that he resigned because he was considered unpromotable.

  96. 113

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 105, Please RR, keep it coming! I just can’t get enough of that bunny love.

  97. 114

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @110 Of course. It’s the oldest wingnut rhetorical scam in their playbook. Some of them still think Joe McCarthy was a patriot and a great American.

  98. 115

    YLB spews:

    And John McCain should not have accepted the endorsement of John Hagee.

    That’s guy’s nuts. Oh boy that makes McCain look real bad, shows bad judgement, etc..

  99. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Far Right has been poisoning American politics with hate, bigotry, racism, lies, and smears for over 60 years and is still going strong. Amazing. It tests my faith, because if there’s a God, you’d think She would have struck them all down by now.

  100. 117

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    When did McCain ever show good judgment? That guy’s hardly done anything right in his entire slacking life.

  101. 118

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 109, let me see if I got this straight.

    There’s no way that the average person is not going to be taken aback by

    1. Clinton’s
    2. McCain’s
    3. Jesus’s

    long affiliation with

    1. Ferraro
    2. Bill
    3. Hagee
    4. Keating 5
    5. The NVA
    6. Lobbyists
    7. Lepers
    8. Whores

    given the audacity of

    1. Ferraro’s
    2. Bill’s
    3. Hagee’s
    4. Keating 5’s
    5. The NVA’s
    6. Lobbyists’
    7. Lepers’
    8. Whores’

    statements and actions. And that appears to be bearing out in some polls and general sentiment. And in the sudden willingness of the MSM to discuss the issue.

    I think I see now.

  102. 119

    DustinJames spews:

    I hear the old Nixon refrain coming around again: “What did he know and when did he know it?”

  103. 120

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    little dusty, you really do live in a wacky reality all your own. A preacher makes some foolish statement, and you bring up Nixon?

    Get a grip, little dusty. You are really making a wingnut ass of yourself.

  104. 121

    DustinJames spews:

    This 4/30/2007 NY Times article has the pastor himself acknowledging that Obama knew he was controversial, directly refuting Obama saying he did not know any of this was ever said.

    “If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

  105. 122

    Reformed republican spews:

    Dustin James: the shill for McCain

    You got NOTHIN’ Dustin.

    Nuthin’ on Rezko – Obama paid the highest price for his house.

    Nuthin’ on Wright – Obama repudiated what he said.

    Repeating lies doesn’t make them true – only Karl Rove tries that.

    dustin is a republican – all he does is attack the democratic nominee.clinton has lost – dustin wanted to run against clinton and will say or do anything to smear Obama.
    Face it – the voters have spoken – clinton has lost.

  106. 123

    Reformed republican spews:

    Is Dustin for McCain?
    Or is Dustin just a racist?
    Or is Dustin a rabid over the top lying clinton supporter?
    Hard to tell…

    Why is Dustin so intent on smearing Obama – when he really can’t?

    Why is dustin always writing stuff that turns out to be half-truths?

    Why is Dustin only attacking and never defending Clinton?

  107. 124

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 120 little dusty said, knowingly lying

    directly refuting Obama saying he did not know any of this was ever said.

    Obama repeatedly has said that he knew many opinions Wright espoused, he disagreed with. Little dusty you keep heaping more lies after other lies.

    Wright was a spiritual advisor for Obama, not a political adviser.

    But wingnut little dusty will never let the facts stand in the way of a good smear campaign for the Republicans.

  108. 125

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    BO@89: Where did I write I wanted to kill Jesus?

    We’ll wait for the actual words I wrote (not your interpretation) to appear in a URL, Citation, and Time and Date Stamp

  109. 126

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot: It is good to do good on the Sabbath. Doing good is writing against your psychobabble.

    Oh BTW, my pastor has never said anything like either person.

  110. 128

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Clueless Idiot@82: Yes you are right. Goldy writes crap such as post 4455. Since meanings 1 & 5 don’t work in your mind, Hagee is not McCain’s spiritual adviser. Glad you figgered out the post was worthless drivel.

  111. 130

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Hey BO I guess you missed this McCain statement as it wasn’t on DUnce or Kurse or Media Morons:

    “Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not. I am hopeful that Catholics, Protestants and all people of faith who share my vision for the future of America will respond to our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society.”

  112. 131

    Hannah spews:

    @130 – I am still in support of Obama, and I am glad he finally is distancing himself from Wright, I do wish it was sooner so it couldn’t be thrown around. But reality is, Hillary has Ferrero, McCain has Hagee and Obama has Wright. Not one single candidate that doesn’t have support from someone controversial…Had Obama done what Mccain had done, I would hope this wouldn’t be an issue. Although I see even after McCain’s original statement, people are using Hagee against him, so most likely even if Obama denounced Wright from the getgo, people would still use it against him.

  113. 132

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 131

    Don’t you think there’s a substantive difference between Hagee’s remarks and Wright’s remarks?

  114. 133

    YLB spews:

    Yes you are right. Goldy writes crap such as post 4455

    Are you saying that I said Goldy writes crap?

    If you are saying that then you are lying again.

  115. 135

    Hannah spews:

    @132 – as far as I am concerned they are both extremists in their points of views, yes different points of views, but both are extreme in their views. If Wright and Hagee both weren’t extreme, neither Obama nor McCain would have denounced them.

  116. 136

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    @ 131 Although I see even after McCain’s original statement, people are using Hagee against him

    McCain sought Hagee’s endorsement, and stood on a stage accepting Hagee’s endorsement with camera’s rolling.

    It was only after people called up Hagee’s virulent anti-everybody comments, that McCain made that statement. And McCain has never denounced the endorsement. He still sucks at the radical religious hatefilled right teet.

  117. 137

    sempersimper spews:

    Dustintroll is just a cheap little blowhard wingnut, posing as a Democrat, and working to get McCain elected.

    What’s unusual about that? Lying wingnut trolls are a dime a dozen. Why is anybody paying the slightest attention to the little turd? I mean, a Rufus (JBD) is the same level of annoyance, and who pays attention to him/her/it????

    Doesn’t anybody know where the scroll wheel is located???


  118. 138

    Hannah spews:

    @136 – All I have been trying to point out is that BOTH, actually all 3 candidates, have extremely controversial supporters. And I wish Obama had expressed his views that he didn’t agree with Wright sooner, so that people would not have this to use against him. Although people are still using Hagee’s endorsement of McCain against him, even when from the getgo on camera he explained he appreciated Hagee’s endorsement, but didn’t agree with him on all his views, just as Obama has now said about his endorsee Wright. Bottom line, just because they have controversial endorsements doesn’t mean they believe to the tee what these people believe.

  119. 139

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 135

    as far as I am concerned they are both extremists in their points of views, yes different points of views, but both are extreme in their views.

    That answer might be relevant in political science circles, but truth isn’t a popularity contest. And, we all know that some people have difficulty accepting uncomfortable truths.

    Let me put it this way. Have you not noticed that one of these people has condemned others for what they believe while the other has taken people to task for what they’ve done? Isn’t that a significant difference?

  120. 140

    Hannah spews:

    @139 – Hagee condemns right? Sorry I don’t know all that much about either. And Wright takes people to task for what they’ve done. Yes both extreme…Hagee is one of those “my way or no way” and Wright takes all “whites” to task for what our ancestors did. Good for Obama stepping back from him. Enough of the blame game or the my way or no way game. Obama realized how Wright could drag him down with his extremism.

  121. 141

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 140

    Sorry I don’t know all that much about either.

    You got that right. Go check out what both of them have said. Wright, for example, doesn’t condemn all white people. He condemns rich white people, and he doesn’t even condemn all rich white people. Indeed, if you check out his full remarks in context, he considers a number of not particularly nice things that have been done, and asks who did it. That the answer turns out to be rich white people isn’t Wright’s fault.

  122. 142

    Hannah spews:

    @141 Basically what I have read and videos watched, he blames the US for the 9/11 attacks, saying we deserved it? Also it’s the goverments fault (rich white folks) for bigger prisons, 3 strike laws, drugs, AIDS was created to hold them down, yada yada yada. That is extremism to the extreme! Had this been a white pastor blaming NAACP (rich black folks) for the white trash in prison, doing drugs or having AIDS, well we all know what kind of an uproar would occur. Wright is reverse racism.

  123. 143

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 142

    I don’t recall Wright ever saying that we deserved 9/11, only that we shouldn’t be all that indignant about it given our own history. He also used the word “we” quite a lot in that particular sermon. Let’s not forget that the man was a US Marine, and, thereby, has rather earned the right to criticize this country.

    Moreover, he’s not the only one who thinks that 9/11 was caused in no small part by our own foreign policies. None of Wright’s remarks, nor the remarks of those who link 9/11 to our foreign policies, provide justification for 9/11. Both Wright’s remarks and the whole issue of the effects of our foreign policy are much more nuanced than simply blaming the US for the attacks.

    As for reversing the white rich folks bit, the primary reason such a reversal would generate a backlash is that such remarks would be fundamentally false. Who instituted slavery in this country? How long was it before African Americans were Constitutionally recognized as full citizens, and why did it take nearly 100 years after that before Congress passed civil rights legislation to put those Constitutional amendments into full effect?

    Rev. Wright’s comments are loaded with hyperbole, a hyperbole that’s not uncommon when one is expressing righteous anger. Are you saying that Rev. Wright’s anger isn’t justified?

    There’s way more racism in the reaction to Rev. Wright’s remarks than there is racism in Wright’s remarks. Indeed, you can’t find any statement of Wright’s remarks that can be construed to mean that any class of people is inherently better than some other group of people. For some people, Wright’s remarks hit just a little too close to home.

    Hyperbole isn’t extremism. It’s merely a rhetorical device employed to express an underlying truth.

    Read the stuff that Lee has posted on drug enforcement. This post is a good place to start. And, no, the information that Lee has posted doesn’t mean that cops are racist. The undeniable fact, however, is that, even today, our society doesn’t treat white people and black people the same.

    Perhaps there are too many people who just don’t know how much truth there is behind Rev. Wright’s statements. If so, it’s time they woke up. Whichever the case, “extreme” just ain’t the right word.

  124. 144

    DustinJames spews:

    Again, I’m not pissed at Obama because of Wright, I’m pissed at him because he lied to our faces saying he didn’t know in 16 years tht the Pastor had said ANY of this stuff.

    Wait til the videos and the pictures come out showing him in the audience. You know every journalist and their sister now has copies of the dvd’s and are slow-mo’ing through the crowd shots…

  125. 145

    Sempersimper spews:


    Do you get your Republican talking points beamed directly into your head by magic rays from headquarters?

    They’ve got lots of room to bang around in there.

  126. 146

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 144

    But your argument’s circular. If there wasn’t anything in Rev. Wright’s remarks to get one’s hackles over, there wouldn’t be any basis for an accusation that Senator Obama has lied about anything. Both your conclusion and its basis require stretching the truth beyond the breakage point.

    Read this piece for a great summary of just how far Rev. Wright crossed the line (which wasn’t very far at all), and why your expectation that Senator Obama needs to repudiate 16 years of Rev. Wright’s sermons is yet another layer of bullshit to be added on top of an already heaping pile of steaming offal that has streamed from your fingertips into the comments section of this blog.

    Not only were Geraldine Ferraro’s remarks offensive, they were 180 degrees away from the truth. The only reason Senator Obama has not yet won the Democratic nomination is because he’s black–a fact which is amply proved by the brainless and ridiculous rhetoric that’s come from folks like you.

  127. 147

    PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator... spews:

    Delusional Don Joe: Memory problems on Jeremiah Wright and his 9/11 comments?

    From Biran Ross ABC News _ “An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright’s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of
    black Americans.

    “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

    In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda’s attacks because of its own terrorism.

    “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

    “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” he told his congregation.

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    "Bulldog" Guckert spews:

    All I want to know is this:

    If elected President, will Barack Obama welcome gay prostitutes back into the White House?

    I’m serious here. Let me be honest. I’m hurtin’. My journalism career has pretty much flopped. Between Mark Foley, Larry Craig, the midterm debacle, and the discovery of my websites, I’ve lost all my best old customers. If things don’t turn around soon I may have to resort to selling blow jobs at the truck stop.

    I just don’t trust this Obama guy. I don’t think he’s likely to be in my corner. And forget about that post-menopausal bitch, Hillary. I think she lost interest in sex way back in Arkansas.

    But McCain’s another story. He strikes me as a man’s man, if you know what I mean. He’s spent time in the military, so he’s probably comfortable about paying for sex. And he spent some hard time in lock up, with only the company of other men to comfort him. And he’s old and highly medicated. Bound to have developed some peculiar tastes over the years.

    Oh, Maverick! Give it to me!

  129. 149

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    #146 Don Joe says:

    The only reason Senator Obama has not yet won the Democratic nomination is because he’s black–

    Are you admitting that half the democrat party is racist?

  130. 150

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Are you admitting that half the democrat party is racist?

    That would explain why Obama is ahead in delegates, popular votes, primaries and caucus’s as the Democratic nominee.

    What a moron.

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    mark spews:

    150 Yes democrats and that pastor Wright are very racist.
    They just cant get over the slave thing. No one alive today is trapped in slavery. Them niggers that jumped up
    out of their chairs to pat the pastor on the shoulder were fucking funny as hell. Hillary would have slaves if it were
    still legal and if you dont believe that you are not
    very perceptive.

  132. 152

    Don Joe spews:

    Memory problems on Jeremiah Wright and his 9/11 comments?

    No. Of all the things you’ve cited, which of them isn’t true? The only debatable position is the extent to which our foreign policies led to 9/11, and the mere fact that the position is debatable means that it’s not extreme.

    Are you admitting that half the democrat[sic] party is racist?

    More than half of this country is racist. Care to discuss matters of degree? Better yet, care to discuss which party’s policies are more or less racist?

    By the way, when will you twits learn the difference between a noun and an adjective?

    Yes democrats and that pastor Wright are very racist.

    Really? Exactly which of Rev. Wright’s comments were racist? Show me where he says or acts in any way that can be construed to mean that one race of people is inherently better than any other race.