Open Thread 1/5

- Hornswoggle is a great word.

But as sure as the followers of Farrakhan deserved more than UFOs, anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories, those of us who oppose the drug-war, who oppose the Patriot Act deserve better than Ron Paul

– Richard Cordray will get a recess appointment to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Application for Kanye’s Magical Awesomeness Factory

– I don’t agree with North Korea very often, but it’s true that both the regime and I think Mayan apocalypse is bunk (point 7). Although for very different reasons.


  1. 1

    Michael spews:

    Ha, ha, what a bunch of hypocrites.

    Porn in the USA: Conservatives are biggest consumers.
    Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

    “Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by,” Edelman says.

  2. 4

    Michael spews:

    Another Iraq vet shoots a bunch of cops. Remember not to long ago when some federal folks said we might want to worry about Iraq vets shooting cops and everyone on the right was all up in arms about it and they forced the federal folks to eat their words? I seem to remember that happening.

    (Reuters) – Six police officers were shot, one of them fatally, when a gunman said to be an Iraq war veteran opened fire on them as they served a drug-related search warrant, authorities said on Thursday.;rpc=71

  3. 5


    “Hornswoggle is a great word.”

    So is ‘consarn’ it!!!’ except it’s two. How many times are you going to have to be told to stop talking like a Gold Rush Miner?

  4. 7

    greg spews:

    Pat Robertson checking in at the Pearly Gates.

    St Peter, “Next, name please”

    Pat, “Pat Robertson”

    St Peter, “Oh really, that Pat Robertson? The same Pat Robertson that used God’s name in vain, sounding insane, and acting inane?And filling your pockets with millions of dollars ,That one?”

    Pat, “Uh, …..

    St Peter, “We’ve been waiting for you, well not really waiting, but, uh, never mind…Pat we have some good news and some bad news”

    Pat, “Okay, bad news first…

    St Peter, ” Well there is a God, he loves his children, there is a heaven”

    Pay, “how is that bad news”

    St Peter, “your evil hate mongering, insanity, and abuse of all that is good, has not been appreciated”

    Pat, “huh, and the good news”

    St Peter, “well the good news is for us, you won’t be joining us here in heaven, you’ll be sharing a bed with John Wayne Gacy in hell, but don’t worry, you’ll know lots of people”

    St Peter, “God thought it would be best if you heard it from us, your special kind of evil demands special handling, and we wanted the memory of what you would be missing to really sink in”

    St Peter, “oh, and say hi to Rush, Murdoch, Palin,W, Bill O, Hannity, Cheney, and all the rest when they get there.

  5. 8

    FakePudge spews:

    It’s too bad the Democrats in Olympia refuse to cut spending on public art at half way houses for sex offenders. That’s what’s killing our budget!

    See, no sane person would want to raise taxes to pay for art at a halfway house for child molesters, so the Democrats have conducted a strategy of cutting the most popular programs first, in the hopes that popular support will swing toward increasing taxes. So far, it hasn’t worked, but now that the Supreme Court of Washington has ruled that public education is underfunded, that may change.

  6. 9

    Michael spews:

    The News keeps getting worse for Scott Walker and I’m laughing my ass off about it.

    MADISON, Wis.—Two people, including a former close aide to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker when he served as Milwaukee County executive, were arrested on felony theft charges Thursday as part of an ongoing criminal investigation that centers on people who served in the county during Walker’s tenure.

    A third person, who worked six months for the state Department of Public Instruction until being fired Thursday, was charged with two counts of felony child enticement in a case the county prosecutor said was discovered while investigating the others.

    Watching the TV the other night, CNN had some political show going on and they were talking about how in 2012 Wisconsin and Ohio would probably go to whomever the Republican nominee was. No word on what they were smoking when they came up with that.

  7. 10

    Steve spews:

    @9 The “I love the troops more than you” bullshit these two must have been spewing would make for a funny read.

    “The complaint against Russell said he stole more than $10,000 from a private entity he controlled that was supposed to benefit military veterans. The complaint said he instead used the money in part to pay for Caribbean and Hawaiian vacations.”

    “The criminal complaint against Kavanaugh said he embezzled at least $42,232 from the Military Order of the Purple Heart between 2006 and 2009.”

    Of course, where there are wingnuts,

    “two counts of felony child enticement”

  8. 11

    Steve spews:

    “CNN had some political show going on and they were talking about how in 2012 Wisconsin and Ohio would probably go to whomever the Republican nominee was”

    I no doubt missed that as I now find CNN to be just about unwatchable.

  9. 12

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    The new leader of North Korea, Kim Jung-Un, wanted to get a hipper name than “Supreme Leader,” so as to modernize North Korea in the eyes of the rest of the world. Here are a few of the names he considered instead of “Supreme Leader:”

    1. Groovy Leader – from the Sixties
    2. Far Out Leader – also from the Sixties, but pretty close to true for North Korea in general.
    3. Bitchin’ Leader – from the Sixties and surfer genre. This one would have been my choice, but, alas, it didn’t make the cut.

    Kim Jun-Un’s dad, The late Kin Jung-Il, was a movie buff and had a large collection of movies from the US and Europe. Perhaps there is a copy of Pulp Fiction in that collection that should have inspired a good title for Kim Jung-Un. How about “Bad Motherfucker Leader?” If you recall, that was the name of Samuel L. Jackson’s character’s wallet in Pulp Fiction, and I think it would have made a great title for Kim Jun-Un.

    In any event, the powers that be in North Korea elected to go with “Supreme Leader” rather than rock the boat.

  10. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “So anything disparaging about the year 2012 is banned in the country outright. The movie 2012 was no exception, and apparently some people in North Korea were even arrested for having pirated copies of the movie.”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: These folks are going to have an “oh, shit” moment when they’re tied to a post and watch as a firing squad marches out and takes up position.

  11. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Fuck, that country has too many mouths to feed, so if you’re not in the army or growing rice, you’re useless and they want to get rid of you anyway.

  12. 15

    Politically Incorrect spews:


    Is there a candidate, other than Ron Paul, who supports ending the American Empire with its waste of blood and treasure, ending the War on Drugs, repealing the Patriot Act and dismantling the Department of Homeland Security? I can’t think of a Republican or Democrat who’s in favor of all of those worthy projects. That’s why I’m going to write-in Ron Paul in 2012.

  13. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This startling CNN article says half of America’s doctors are going broke.

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: The problem isn’t that health care is too cheap; the problem is that useless insurance bureaucracies get too much of our health care money, and the actual health care providers don’t get enough.

  14. 18

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    @13, & 14,

    Yep, North Korea is headed for hard times, and the neighborhood ain’t gonna be so swell for everyone there. Now is a good time for us to clear out of the Korean Peninsula and avoid the shit storm that’s coming. They’ll have to solve their problems without us.

  15. 20

    ArtFart spews:

    @11 “I now find CNN to be just about unwatchable.”

    Me, too. Even (or perhaps particularly) Erin Burnett.

    Speaking of unwatchable…anyone else catch that “independent” film that ran on PBS a week or two ago about evangelical Christians and their “conflicts” between faith and politics (or something like that)? In retrospect it appears to have been carefully crafted to make Rick Santorum appear a reasonable man.

  16. 21

    Michael spews:

    Isn’t that just awful? Probably the worst thing about it is how I wasn’t shocked or offended by it. Republicans stealing from soldiers is more dog bites man then man bites dog at this point.

  17. 22

    Michael spews:

    Erin Burnett is awful.

    I usually watch TV about once every 6 months, just to double check that I’m still not missing anything.

  18. 24

    Michael spews:


    A veteran Seattle police officer who was arrested early Thursday morning on suspicion of a drug offense was found shot a few hours later.

    The officer, Richard F. Nelson, has been hospitalized in critical condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to a hospital spokeswoman.

    One source said it appears Nelson had shot himself in the head. He was reportedly found near North Bend on Thursday morning, several hours after he was released from jail.

    Can we please end the stupid drug war now. See also #4 on this page.

  19. 25

    Michael spews:


    Conservatives: Time to rally around a not-Romney
    By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press – 4 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Prominent conservative leaders want their rank and file to quickly get behind a single presidential candidate — Rick Santorum now seems the likeliest — fearful that persistent splits will help Mitt Romney win the Republican nomination.
    “While no political candidate, or human being for that matter, is perfect, Rick Santorum’s baggage contains his clothes,” president Brian Burch said Thursday, after Santorum’s virtual tie with Romney in Iowa won the support of the 600,000-member online organization.
    “Republicans hoping to win back the White House in November must unite behind the candidate most dedicated to the foundational issues of faith, family and freedom.”

    Yes, please rally around a nutcase who wants to outlaw contraception.

  20. 26

    Michael spews:

    Romney narrowly won the Iowa caucuses when conservative voters split their support among several challengers, and the worry is that the same thing will happen in South Carolina, Florida and beyond if Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry all stay in the race.

    In Iowa Romney picked up the urban votes and Santorum picked up the rural and exurban (all 40 of them) votes. But, 41% of voters in the Iowa caucuses were rural in most of the rest of America the rural vote’s about half that.

  21. 27

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 13: “…Roger Rabbit Commentary: These folks are going to have an “oh, shit” moment when they’re tied to a post and watch as a firing squad marches out and takes up position.”

    I’m not sure whether you are referring to the guys caught with pirated movies, or the N. Korean leadership when they have their own revolution. Either way, N. Korea doesn’t waste money on bullets to execute prisoners. It simply stops feeding them and then works them to death. Takes a couple of weeks, I’m told.

    True story: at a Nazi concentration camp, an SS officer walks up to an inmate. “You have been stealing food!” he accuses. The inmate is horrified, knowing that the penalty for stealing food is to be hung at the gallows at the front of the camp by a piano wire. “Nein, my capitain”, he pleads. “I haven’t stolen any food!”. “You MUST be guilty” the captain insists. “We have carefully calculated your diet and your workload, and we know that you will die within forty-five days of arriving here. You have been here fifty days, and are still alive. So you MUST be stealing food!”.

  22. 28

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    This is partly due to the skimming off the top of the health care economy by the big insurance companies, much likes the banks have a cut of every transaction in the broader economy.

    It’s also a consequence of how we reimburse doctors. A certain AMA committee makes recommendations that Medicare rubber stamps regarding the relative value of various things: office visits, hip replacements, brain surgery, dialysis, etc. The insurance industry largely follows Medicare’s lead.

    The big issue is, that AMA committee is dominated by proceduralists – surgeons of various stripes, gastroenterologists, cardiologists, and therefore, reimbursement for doing anything with an instrument is far larger than for things that require ‘mere’ thinking – for example, managing 12 or 15 different toxic and dangerous medications in a fail elderly person with heart disease, kidney disease, hypertension and dementia.

    There is, within medicine, a division of wealth that mirrors the society at large – I can walk you through any hospital parking lot, and point out which type of doctor it is by whether they’re driving a Porsche or a Honda – it’s remarkably easy. The CNN article gets at where we’re heading – those people drawn to do the poorly-reimbursed are going out of business.

  23. 30


    re 18: “Yep, North Korea is headed for hard times….”

    That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard: headed for hard times — They’ve been down so long, it looks like up. If it wasn’t for bad luck, they wouldn’t have no luck at all. They were born under a bad sign and they’ve been down since they began to crawl.

    As far as the new ruling monster of N. Korea goes, only his momma love

  24. 31


    re 18: “Yep, North Korea is headed for hard times….”

    That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard: headed for hard times — They’ve been down so long, it looks like up. If it wasn’t for bad luck, they wouldn’t have no luck at all. They were born under a bad sign and they’ve been down since they began to crawl.

    As far as the new ruling monster of N. Korea goes, only his momma loved him, and she coulda been lyin’ too!! ————

  25. 33

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 26: By all accounts, Romney is going to carry the New Hampshire Republican primary. We can ignore New Hampshire results because everybody understands this, and it’s not going to make a difference regarding who stays in or drops out.

    What WILL make a difference is the S. Carolina and Florida primaries, both of which should be “Tea Party Central”.

    Gingrich is going to stay in as long as his money lasts, because he has a huge ego, loves attention, and wants to use this to market his books and his subsequent contracts as a Fox pundit. The only question is how long his money will last. (I’m talking campaign donations, I seriously doubt he would ever risk his own personal money on this race).

    Likewise, Paul can continue to run a low-budget campaign and stay in for quite a while – at least through S. Carolina and Florida.

    That leaves Perry and Santorum to battle for who’s going to represent the Evangelical wing of the party. I don’t think Perry has the momentum to improve his results, even in S. Carolina and Florida.

  26. 35

    rhp6033 spews:

    Romney’s campaign theme (of late) is the claim that he “created” more jobs in Massachusets than the President did in the entire country.

    But check out the following graph:

    Job Numbers

  27. 36

    Michael spews:

    The whole thing’s a bunch of nonsense, 2012’s going to be Romney V. Obama. The questions are who’s going to be Veep and how much damage the various members of the far right do when Santorum or Perry don’t get the nod.

    Santorum can’t repeat Iowa. City folk wont vote for him. New Hampshire and S. Carolina are about 3 times as dense population wise as Iowa.

    I’ve already got my slogan picked out for 2016.

    “Someone with a normal first name for president.”

  28. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @34 The way things are going in Wisconsin, by next June half of Walker’s supporters will be convicted felons.

  29. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Guns Don’t Kill People Dep’t

    One cop was killed and five others were wounded while trying to serve an arrest warrant in Ogden, Utah, today.

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: The problem isn’t guns; the problem is who has access to guns. But Wisconsin’s GOP legislators think anyone should be able to buy a gun without a background check, and carry it anywhere without a permit.

  30. 39

    NW Freddie spews:

    Yet another sleezeball pal of Obama’s further embarrasses the Dems-

    WASHINGTON (AP) — D.C. Councilmember Harry Thomas Jr. will plead guilty Friday to stealing more than $350,000 in government funds and filing false tax returns, bringing an end to one of the many scandals that have plagued District of Columbia government in the past year. Thomas, a 51-year-old Democrat, was charged Thursday in a criminal information following plea discussions between his attorneys and federal prosecutors. A plea hearing has been scheduled for Friday morning, court records show.
    Although a guilty plea would not require Thomas to resign, he appeared to be preparing to do so. Mayor Vincent Gray and several of his colleagues have called on him to step down.
    “I urge Councilmember Thomas to resign and focus his time and efforts on defending himself in court,” Gray said in a statement. “While everyone is presumed innocent until proven otherwise, those who violate the public’s trust must be held accountable for their actions. I’m hopeful that this matter will be concluded quickly.”

  31. 41

    Michael spews:

    Here goes Romney!

    Romney 41, Paul 18, Gingrich 7, Huntsman 7, Santorum 8, Bachmann 1, Perry 0

    Romney 38, Paul 24, Gingrich 9, Huntsman 8, Santorum 11, Bachmann 0, Perry 1

  32. 42

    Michael spews:

    Ooo… That’s gotta sting… The Boston Globe has endorsed Jon Huntsman in the presidential primary. Sure, The Globes a liberal rag and all that. But still, they picked a guy from Utah instead of their own previous governor.

    For vision and national unity, Huntsman for GOP nominee

  33. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Iowa Vote Tally Called Into Question; Did Santorum Win Iowa?

    The Des Moines, Iowa, ABC-affiliate TV station reports tonight that a precinct-level Republican vote counter claims a 20-vote counting error in Romney’s favor and that Rick Santorum actually won the Iowa caucuses.

  34. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hmmm, it appears that Republicans — who tell everyone else how to run elections — can’t count votes accurately in their own damned caucuses.

  35. 46


    @39. Just aching to claim the equivalency argument, aren’t you. Because this guy was a democrat, he’s somehow linked to Obama and it’s obama fault. Really?

    I await your outrage that yet another sleezeball pal of Walker’s further embarrasses the Cons, as mentioned in 9.
    I expect I’ll be waiting for a long time, because after all, Walker is a ‘con and he’s white.

  36. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @39 I like our crooks better than your crooks — partly because they get caught, and party because there aren’t nearly as many of them.

  37. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @48 I guess it’s a function of how much some people are willing to pay for that plant.

  38. 52

    rhp6033 spews:

    So much happening today, I’m waiting for an open thread. I’d post links, but since these things are all in the major online news headlines you can find them easily enough.

    1. Unemployment numbers dropped to 8.5%, private business hiring is up. (Expect the Republicans in Congress to try to squash the recovery so they can use it as a campaign issue.)

    2. A vote-counter in Iowa reports that there was a 20-vote discrepency between what he counted and what the Republican Party reported, putting Romney’s eight-vote “victory” in doubt. (This is statistically much more significant than any discrepencies in the 2004 Wash. guvenatorial race, but it really doesn’t amount to a hill of beens – Iowa delegates will be selected later, and can vote for anyone they want at the convention).

    3. Somebody’s released an on-line video add showing Huntsman and his adopted kids (one from China, another from India), and asking if Huntsman has American values or Chinese values. Everybody’s condemning the ads, and disclaiming any responsibility. But it does go to show how deranged some of the Tea-Party types are.

    4. Santorum’s getting a lot of press today, and none of it’s good. It seems he isn’t the sqeeky-clean “outsider” he likes to portray. He, Grover Norquist, and Tom Delay were primary movers in the GOP “K Street Project”, designed to make sure all lobbyists knew that they had to give money to Republicans – and only Republicans – if they were to have an ear in Congress. Santorum also gave big earmarks for federal funding of projects which benefited businesses donating to his charity, which was a way to get around existing limitations against corporate donations to a political campaign.

  39. 53

    mookie blaylock spews:


    People obsessed(to the point of risking jail and family) with smoking a plant that gives you a mild buzz. How stupid.

    There, fixed it for ya……for free.

  40. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @52 There’s another news item: Romney has a Mexican family. Another reason for the knuckledraggers to not vote for him.

  41. 56

    Deranged Obama Syndrome spews:

    “So idiot Rabbbit, who claims to know how to smell, I mean spell, can’t even spell Bachmann’s name?”

    Wtf are you babbling about?

    Bullshit. Anyone who didn’t plunge us into a Great Depression by doing the wrong thing in 2009 was qualified to be president in that dangerous time. He didn’t, therefore he was.

    On the other hand, if the stupid gold-standard Republicans who wanted to let the banking system fail had gotten their way, we’d all be shivering in soup kitchen queues now.

    I haven’t done anything in the stock market today except watch my stocks go up. Last week I thought coal stocks were undervalued so I bought Peabody Coal.

    … rightwing ignoramuses think they know more about economics than I do …

    Throw your bullshit at Suskind. He’s over there on your left and, unlike you, seems capable of making a cogent argument instead of just making fumes with projectile farts. That HA stench you smell mostly comes from you.

    And from the fact that Goldy’s Christophobic self-hating Jew-o-phobic Bible Studies stink.

    Which brings us back to you, alas.

    You know economics? Bullshit. You know greed and anal fisting fistulas from sodomizing yourself with carrots. And you know tularemia. You’re a walking vector of disease and stench, but not of knowledge.

    You think you know more economics than St. Paul Krugman? That’s from democrat underground, which must mean they’re dead or braindead or ought to be.

    Nobel Krugman seems to be saying that the FUBAR Democrats failed in 2009 because they didn’t do enough Krugman/Keynes. Should have thrown, say, $2 trillion in unstimulative Obama stimulus at us instead of the niggardly (is that racist?) and useless unstimulative Obama stimulus they threw. While wasting time, as Suskind demonstrates, on selling the cost-containment rationale of an Obamacare that doesn’t contain costs.

    Krugman makes the classic commie argument that Keynesianism, like pure pristine communism, seems so far to have failed because it has so far not been tried, either in the deranged Obama era or in the FDR era.

    As for your triple-negative nattering about what Obama didn’t do wrong, about the Great Depression reprise that didn’t happen yet, note what Obama and the useless idiots who still support him have done. Obama and other useless idiots from “News”week to the NYT have hijacked TARP from Bush and Paulson and have given it to themselves, taking credit for averting a depression that was already averted.

    And … gold standard? If you’re still thrashing thru the gold standard, that a Republican president cut loose in 1971, take it up with Grover Cleveland or with Winston Churchill and Keynes. Ahamed wrote in Lords of Finance that Churchill got the best advice he could about putting the UK back on gold. Keynes, Ahamed writes, had nothing intelligent to say.

    Which brings us back to you. Making an unearned increment of easy money on … coal. Coal, which, according to deranged Obama, is killing the planet.

    When you figure out how to make a pile on Solyndra, let us know. Meanwhile, you’re just making piles on the floor and rug.

    Coal. You should be ashamed.

  42. 61

    Michael spews:

    I’m watching Ralph Reed on CNN on TV right now and he looks like he wants to cry. Sorry Ralphy, the culture war’s over and your side lost.

  43. 62

    Gman spews:

    Chicago Cubs All Star player accused of rape. Rape and murder mainstream for heterosexuals. That Family Values thing really working for you, keep at it.

  44. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @56 “averting a depression that was already averted”

    Bullshit. The bank bailout was less than half-complete when the White House changed hands. A misstep by Obama in his first six months would have plunged us into the abyss. It was of critical importance that a competent leader was at the helm in 2009. That leader was not McCain, who admitted he didn’t like economics and didn’t know much about it. And let’s not forget that what we’ve consistently gotten from conservatives is gold standard and balanced budget idiocy.