Great graphic. But, it really would be nice if we could do something with the foot ferries that DOT has tied up in Eagle Harbor. We paid for them, why not use them?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
We should buy one of these for every taxpayer in King County. It would be cheaper than that $550,000 per lineal foot bridge they want to build.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
I still don’t understand how they can spend half a million bucks per foot on a bunch of concrete pontoons, nor can I understand why a 7,600 foot pontoon bridge costs 5 times as much as a 5,400 foot steel suspension bridge built only a couple years ago.
4
ArtFartspews:
Another piece of transportation quackery, unfortunately one of many.
By eating them, yes…especially if it prevents you from getting any…You get the dogfish.
The Piper
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rhp6033spews:
Considering it will take teamwork and perseverence to come up with any transportation plan to get us across the lake, perhaps commuters should consider the following:
Your mother give you that name because she hated kids?
Nothing more sanctimoneous than an old sculler.
But you’re too late…I already proposed galley-slave powered walk-on ferries.
The Piper
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Daddy Lovespews:
For those galley slaves I propose we use the Republican polticians who will be out of their graft-collecting jobs come 11/2008.
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dutchspews:
Why does a 7600 foot pontoon bridge cost 5 times as much ?
It’s in Seattle/King County…
ok, seriously, if you talk to traffic planners and people working on the issues, they are all talking about the large costs of just planning this thing. From environmental impact studies to you name it, all is jacking up the prices. The people living on the west side of the lake (Broadmoor, Leshi, etc) have a very good organization in place run by a group of laywers. They are fighting the bridge with everything they can, but very hush hush. They demand one plan and study…then when this is done, come up with a new issue, when this is done…etc…Instead of doing a big study once…it’s death by a 1000 cuts. A a few Medina and Hunt’s Point residents are part of this too.
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stop the fuckan war or you can be like that stupid fuckan Piper Scott and just obey your tvspews:
Port protesters block military-cargo truck snuck into civilian convoy
November 13, 2007
Protesters have been blocking trucks carrying military equipment for the war in Iraq (such as Strykers that need to be repaired to return to occupation duty), but have allowed all trucks with civilian equipment to pass through their human blockades and barricades. After six days of protest, the Port of Olympia changed tactics to enable the military cargo to leave the front gate, near the Farmers’ Market.
On Tuesday, November 13 at about 9:24 am, a truck carrying military cargo was snuck into a convoy of five civilian trucks. The military-cargo truck drove fast and close to the truck in front of him, in order to prevent protesters from stopping him. Yet he was forced to slam on the brakes when the logging truck in front of him stopped, and nearly rear-ended the truck and lost his military cargo.
Protesters then ran into the tiny space between the trucks, and the military-cargo driver inched his way forward to force the protesters back. When they sat down in the road, the port gatekeeper and a protester convinced the civilian trucker to pull back into the port. This was the second truck carrying war materiel that was stopped today, and the blockade continues.
For background on the port protests against weapons systems from Fort Lewis:
Sims is following the Discovery Institute off the cliff. Discovery decided in 2007 (when they ran out of other goofy ideas to pursue) that passenger ferries are a good idea. Back in 2005, when the tooth fairy was painted a different color, the story was different.
According to a study published by the Cascadia Center of the Discovery Institute, Metro in 1988 studied passenger-ferry service on Lake Washington but concluded that the service would be too slow to compete with buses, that it would be hard to build ferry terminals and that the market was questionable.
In 1989, the Port of Seattle studied the idea of passenger ferries on Lake Washington and concluded that dedicated shuttle buses to the ferry terminal would be needed and that the fares should cover the operating costs. It said those fares, as high as $3 each way, would be too high to compete with buses.
Sound Transit also has studied passenger ferries on Lake Washington and determined that ferries could be competitive with buses to the University of Washington, but that speed limitations in the Montlake Cut mean it wouldn’t be feasible to provide ferries to downtown Seattle.
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Mackspews:
Ron Sims is following the Discovery Institute off the cliff. Discovery decided passenger ferries will be their next goofy idea, but back in 2005, the studies delivered a different outcome:
Monday, March 14, 2005 – Page updated at 12:00 a.m.
King County Metro is considering getting into the passenger-ferry business.
According to a study published by the Cascadia Center of the Discovery Institute, Metro in 1988 studied passenger-ferry service on Lake Washington but concluded that the service would be too slow to compete with buses, that it would be hard to build ferry terminals and that the market was questionable.
In 1989, the Port of Seattle studied the idea of passenger ferries on Lake Washington and concluded that dedicated shuttle buses to the ferry terminal would be needed and that the fares should cover the operating costs. It said those fares, as high as $3 each way, would be too high to compete with buses.
Sound Transit also has studied passenger ferries on Lake Washington and determined that ferries could be competitive with buses to the University of Washington, but that speed limitations in the Montlake Cut mean it wouldn’t be feasible to provide ferries to downtown Seattle.
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ArtFartspews:
Well, kids…let’s do a little pie-in-the-sky (or pie-in-your-face, if you prefer) thinking here. Seems that a long time ago there was a streetcar (that’s an early-20th-century term for “light rail”) that ran the entire length of Madison Park, all the way over the hill from downtown to the lake shore. (That’s one of the reasons why that cool place called Madison Park exists.) So…we know that can be done…even by engineers wearing starched collars. Suppose we rebuilt that, and then ran a passenger vessel or to to points on the east side.
It’s got to be cheaper than a new bridge.
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markspews:
That new King Co logo of MLK looks real good if you take
the same black sharpie the election department uses and draw
a bone through his nose. All tastefully drawn in black and
white. What a complete waste of tax money. FUCK.
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Wow that's racistspews:
@ 15
Wow, that’s really racist.
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Britney Goldsteinspews:
Tax (R)evolution, The Cycle of Stupid:
You say you want a revolution, but did you notice that when the song gets to its punchline, the part about Mao and counting me out, Goldstein the Fifth Bleatle starts to bleat so you can’t hear the message?
And, re evolution: If moron Goldstein’s brain got a Darwinian jump start and gained the intellectual firepower of a clever monkey’s, and if Goldstein were then granted millennia and boxes of typewriters, he might eventually jam enough keys to thrash out Hamlet but he’d never equal Bruce Ramsey … http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ams14.html.
Try to remember when the initiative process (like eugenics and prohibition) was a progressive project. Remember when it was an acclaimed weapon of the people against the powerful. Then tell me why an unevolved progressive lower-primate moron determined that it was cool to throw his feces at the people and to hook up with Bobbe and her two temps from Labor Ready.
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progressive chimpfacespews:
The lower-primate progressives who run this litter box whacked my prescient post from this “open” thread. So find the disappearing post at a venue where free speech is still free: SoundPolitics.com.
Sharks eat goldyfish.
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George Hanshawspews:
@12
When I went to Berkeley I lived in Concord CA, scene of an epic antiwar protest.
The protestors would do well to remember that it is senseless to protest the laws of physics. The Guy who came up with them apparently isn’t interested in changing them…and they enforce themselves.
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stop the fuckan warspews:
@20 I recall when this happened. And a few days ago there was at least one woman there in front of the trucks with a child. Hopefully she hasn’t returned. Those truck drivers can’t see people sitting in front of their vehicles and even though these activists have someone designated to talk to the driver- feelings are running high and it wouldn’t take much of a mistake to cause a death. The right likes to ridicule these activists but it takes balls to do what they’re doing. A lot more balls than standing around repeating the chickenhawk talking points of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly.
Here’s info about a Rally and march in Olympia to support port activists
Saturday, Nov. 17, 1:00pm
Carpools leave Seattle at 11:30am
from New Freeway Hall, 5018 Rainier Ave. S. (Coffee and donuts 11-11:30am.)
Please call 206-722-2453 if you need a ride or can offer one.
Anti-war activists have been blockading military shipments through the Port of Olympia since November 5. On Tuesday night, 57 women held the front line of the blockade and stopped the movement of military equipment until the Olympia police arrested them and then began their assault on the remaining demonstrators.
The police have escalated their violence using batons, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and teargas against non-violent demonstrators. Olympia Port Militarization Resistance has called out fosupport on Saturday at a gathering that begins at Percival Landing and will end at the Port Plaza.
Directions: Percival Landing is just North of the intersection of State Ave. NW and Water St. SW. in Olympia. Take the 105B Exit from I-5. Go north on Plum St. SE to State Ave. NW. Turn left on State and go west approximately 9 blocks. After you cross Columbia St. SW, the street curves left onto Water St. The rally site is on the right near a large statue of two people kissing.
Contact Olympia public officials
Call and email city officials to insist they put a stop to the police brutality and arrests of community residents expressing their constitutional right to dissent. Olympia’s port should not be used for military purposes in the unjust war on Iraq.
michael spews:
Great graphic. But, it really would be nice if we could do something with the foot ferries that DOT has tied up in Eagle Harbor. We paid for them, why not use them?
Roger Rabbit spews:
We should buy one of these for every taxpayer in King County. It would be cheaper than that $550,000 per lineal foot bridge they want to build.
Roger Rabbit spews:
I still don’t understand how they can spend half a million bucks per foot on a bunch of concrete pontoons, nor can I understand why a 7,600 foot pontoon bridge costs 5 times as much as a 5,400 foot steel suspension bridge built only a couple years ago.
ArtFart spews:
Another piece of transportation quackery, unfortunately one of many.
Piper Scott spews:
Per Rabbit’s plan…
May I have mine with the optional fore and aft air cooled .50 machine guns? I reserve the right to repel boarders.
And what about tossing in four or so rod holders? There will be a sockeye season again someday, and commuters shouldn’t miss the fun.
The Piper
Roger Rabbit spews:
@5 I thought you Republicans wanted to wipe out all the salmon.
Piper Scott spews:
@6…RR…
By eating them, yes…especially if it prevents you from getting any…You get the dogfish.
The Piper
rhp6033 spews:
Considering it will take teamwork and perseverence to come up with any transportation plan to get us across the lake, perhaps commuters should consider the following:
http://www.storesonline.com/site/405636/page/66276
It might also solve the obesity, diabetes, and other such problems in the area.
Piper Scott spews:
@8…RHP6033…
Your mother give you that name because she hated kids?
Nothing more sanctimoneous than an old sculler.
But you’re too late…I already proposed galley-slave powered walk-on ferries.
The Piper
Daddy Love spews:
For those galley slaves I propose we use the Republican polticians who will be out of their graft-collecting jobs come 11/2008.
dutch spews:
Why does a 7600 foot pontoon bridge cost 5 times as much ?
It’s in Seattle/King County…
ok, seriously, if you talk to traffic planners and people working on the issues, they are all talking about the large costs of just planning this thing. From environmental impact studies to you name it, all is jacking up the prices. The people living on the west side of the lake (Broadmoor, Leshi, etc) have a very good organization in place run by a group of laywers. They are fighting the bridge with everything they can, but very hush hush. They demand one plan and study…then when this is done, come up with a new issue, when this is done…etc…Instead of doing a big study once…it’s death by a 1000 cuts. A a few Medina and Hunt’s Point residents are part of this too.
stop the fuckan war or you can be like that stupid fuckan Piper Scott and just obey your tv spews:
Port protesters block military-cargo truck snuck into civilian convoy
November 13, 2007
YOUTUBE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM2tNL_roBY
Protesters have been blocking trucks carrying military equipment for the war in Iraq (such as Strykers that need to be repaired to return to occupation duty), but have allowed all trucks with civilian equipment to pass through their human blockades and barricades. After six days of protest, the Port of Olympia changed tactics to enable the military cargo to leave the front gate, near the Farmers’ Market.
On Tuesday, November 13 at about 9:24 am, a truck carrying military cargo was snuck into a convoy of five civilian trucks. The military-cargo truck drove fast and close to the truck in front of him, in order to prevent protesters from stopping him. Yet he was forced to slam on the brakes when the logging truck in front of him stopped, and nearly rear-ended the truck and lost his military cargo.
Protesters then ran into the tiny space between the trucks, and the military-cargo driver inched his way forward to force the protesters back. When they sat down in the road, the port gatekeeper and a protester convinced the civilian trucker to pull back into the port. This was the second truck carrying war materiel that was stopped today, and the blockade continues.
For background on the port protests against weapons systems from Fort Lewis:
Olympia Movement for Peace & Justice
http://www.omjp.org/Port2007.html
Port Militarization Resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....Resistance
Other videos from this week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOkn2Fg7R8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgi5ESpueX8
Music video on past port protests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlndgiBhNQQ
Mack spews:
Sims is following the Discovery Institute off the cliff. Discovery decided in 2007 (when they ran out of other goofy ideas to pursue) that passenger ferries are a good idea. Back in 2005, when the tooth fairy was painted a different color, the story was different.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ry14m.html
According to a study published by the Cascadia Center of the Discovery Institute, Metro in 1988 studied passenger-ferry service on Lake Washington but concluded that the service would be too slow to compete with buses, that it would be hard to build ferry terminals and that the market was questionable.
In 1989, the Port of Seattle studied the idea of passenger ferries on Lake Washington and concluded that dedicated shuttle buses to the ferry terminal would be needed and that the fares should cover the operating costs. It said those fares, as high as $3 each way, would be too high to compete with buses.
Sound Transit also has studied passenger ferries on Lake Washington and determined that ferries could be competitive with buses to the University of Washington, but that speed limitations in the Montlake Cut mean it wouldn’t be feasible to provide ferries to downtown Seattle.
Mack spews:
Ron Sims is following the Discovery Institute off the cliff. Discovery decided passenger ferries will be their next goofy idea, but back in 2005, the studies delivered a different outcome:
Monday, March 14, 2005 – Page updated at 12:00 a.m.
King County Metro is considering getting into the passenger-ferry business.
According to a study published by the Cascadia Center of the Discovery Institute, Metro in 1988 studied passenger-ferry service on Lake Washington but concluded that the service would be too slow to compete with buses, that it would be hard to build ferry terminals and that the market was questionable.
In 1989, the Port of Seattle studied the idea of passenger ferries on Lake Washington and concluded that dedicated shuttle buses to the ferry terminal would be needed and that the fares should cover the operating costs. It said those fares, as high as $3 each way, would be too high to compete with buses.
Sound Transit also has studied passenger ferries on Lake Washington and determined that ferries could be competitive with buses to the University of Washington, but that speed limitations in the Montlake Cut mean it wouldn’t be feasible to provide ferries to downtown Seattle.
ArtFart spews:
Well, kids…let’s do a little pie-in-the-sky (or pie-in-your-face, if you prefer) thinking here. Seems that a long time ago there was a streetcar (that’s an early-20th-century term for “light rail”) that ran the entire length of Madison Park, all the way over the hill from downtown to the lake shore. (That’s one of the reasons why that cool place called Madison Park exists.) So…we know that can be done…even by engineers wearing starched collars. Suppose we rebuilt that, and then ran a passenger vessel or to to points on the east side.
It’s got to be cheaper than a new bridge.
mark spews:
That new King Co logo of MLK looks real good if you take
the same black sharpie the election department uses and draw
a bone through his nose. All tastefully drawn in black and
white. What a complete waste of tax money. FUCK.
Wow that's racist spews:
@ 15
Wow, that’s really racist.
Britney Goldstein spews:
Tax (R)evolution, The Cycle of Stupid:
You say you want a revolution, but did you notice that when the song gets to its punchline, the part about Mao and counting me out, Goldstein the Fifth Bleatle starts to bleat so you can’t hear the message?
And, re evolution: If moron Goldstein’s brain got a Darwinian jump start and gained the intellectual firepower of a clever monkey’s, and if Goldstein were then granted millennia and boxes of typewriters, he might eventually jam enough keys to thrash out Hamlet but he’d never equal Bruce Ramsey … http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ams14.html.
Try to remember when the initiative process (like eugenics and prohibition) was a progressive project. Remember when it was an acclaimed weapon of the people against the powerful. Then tell me why an unevolved progressive lower-primate moron determined that it was cool to throw his feces at the people and to hook up with Bobbe and her two temps from Labor Ready.
progressive chimpface spews:
The lower-primate progressives who run this litter box whacked my prescient post from this “open” thread. So find the disappearing post at a venue where free speech is still free: SoundPolitics.com.
Sharks eat goldyfish.
George Hanshaw spews:
@12
When I went to Berkeley I lived in Concord CA, scene of an epic antiwar protest.
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....hix-sphere
The protestors would do well to remember that it is senseless to protest the laws of physics. The Guy who came up with them apparently isn’t interested in changing them…and they enforce themselves.
stop the fuckan war spews:
@20 I recall when this happened. And a few days ago there was at least one woman there in front of the trucks with a child. Hopefully she hasn’t returned. Those truck drivers can’t see people sitting in front of their vehicles and even though these activists have someone designated to talk to the driver- feelings are running high and it wouldn’t take much of a mistake to cause a death. The right likes to ridicule these activists but it takes balls to do what they’re doing. A lot more balls than standing around repeating the chickenhawk talking points of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly.
Here’s info about a Rally and march in Olympia to support port activists
Saturday, Nov. 17, 1:00pm
Carpools leave Seattle at 11:30am
from New Freeway Hall, 5018 Rainier Ave. S. (Coffee and donuts 11-11:30am.)
Please call 206-722-2453 if you need a ride or can offer one.
Anti-war activists have been blockading military shipments through the Port of Olympia since November 5. On Tuesday night, 57 women held the front line of the blockade and stopped the movement of military equipment until the Olympia police arrested them and then began their assault on the remaining demonstrators.
The police have escalated their violence using batons, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and teargas against non-violent demonstrators. Olympia Port Militarization Resistance has called out fosupport on Saturday at a gathering that begins at Percival Landing and will end at the Port Plaza.
Directions: Percival Landing is just North of the intersection of State Ave. NW and Water St. SW. in Olympia. Take the 105B Exit from I-5. Go north on Plum St. SE to State Ave. NW. Turn left on State and go west approximately 9 blocks. After you cross Columbia St. SW, the street curves left onto Water St. The rally site is on the right near a large statue of two people kissing.
Contact Olympia public officials
Call and email city officials to insist they put a stop to the police brutality and arrests of community residents expressing their constitutional right to dissent. Olympia’s port should not be used for military purposes in the unjust war on Iraq.
Mayor Mark Foutch – mfoutch@ci.olympia.wa.us
City Manager Steve Hall – shall@ci.olympia.wa.us
Phone: 360-753-8447 for both
Police Chief Gary Michel
Phone: 360-704-2740
For more information contact:
Radical Women, Rwseattle@mindspring.com, 206-722-6057
Freedom Socialist Party, FSPseattle@mindspring.com, 206-722-2453.