Open Thread 12/28

- When I finally stopped talking, I exhaled. I’d finally told someone I was falling for my whole story. And I was afraid that my biggest fear would come true: Aaron would look at me differently. (h/t)

- We might be all redistricted out by the end of the day, but this vignette from the 1960′s was fascinating.

- Is anyone else but Erika surprised that she finds it more remarkable that she would defend Kim Kardashian than that she would defend child sweatshops? You shouldn’t be because one of the questions on the wingnut welfare eligibility exam is to write an essay explaining the benefits of child sweatshops, poll taxes and climate change.

- Those Ron Paul newsletters are really, really, really awful.

- I think the question about Edgar Martinez and what would his Hall of Fame case would look like if he’d been a terrible third baseman is interesting.

Comments

  1. 1

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Sample of Ron Paul in 1992:
    We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.

    Note: I think it is obvious, but 13 year old black males must have been the first 13 year old males in history to have joined criminal gangs and been scary.

    Funny how glibertarianism and bigotry have walked hand in hand.

  2. 4

    mookie blaylock spews:

    @3

    Its really none of your biz isn’t it. Why do people like you obsess over what other people do with their money?

    How do community organizers get to be millionaires???

  3. 5

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 4: Whenever a politician pretends to represent the interests of the average voter, it’s only fair to ask if they have a conflict of interest. We don’t have a royalist system whereby ostentatious displays of wealth are designed to awe the subjects, although you couldn’t tell that from some of the Republican candidates this time around.

    And with Newt having already been caught (in yet another) lie about his Tiffany’s credit line, you would think he would be smart enough not to advise his wife not to wear expensive jewelry. Apparantly not.

  4. 6

    spews:

    We don’t have a royalist system whereby ostentatious displays of wealth are designed to awe the subjects

    Heh.. That impresses the asshat trolls every time.
    Brings back those old memories of Ronnie Raygun’s 81 inaugural ball.

  5. 7

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @ 3 rhp6033,

    If it was bought in the last 3 years, too much. Nevermind the Tiffany’s premium. The price of gold is too high.

    A jeweler friend of mine was telling me last week how out of whack the price of gold is vis-a-vis silver and platinum.

  6. 8

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @4, Damn Straight!

    And be sure to drop a line to Newt and let him know that it is none of his damn biz to see Romney’s tax returns!

    Newt is just envious of how effortlessly Romney made his money. Newt’s a socialist bastard who does not deserve the nomination. Jewelery on credit! sheeeeesh!

  7. 9

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 7: Yes, last year I was shopping for a gold chain for my wife for Christmas. I couldn’t believe the prices. I went ahead and bought one, but my wife made me take it back, she couldn’t see spending that much money on mere ornamation.

  8. 10

    Puddybud spews:

    Oh my look at the top 25 list of OWS jockstrappers… How do they understand the masses with their rich ASSes?

    1. Yoko Ono – $500 million
    2. Jay-Z – $450 million – Didn’t he and others wear their bling bling when they visited?
    3. David Letterman – $400 million – Who knew?
    (tie) Stephen King – $400 million
    5. Russell Simmons – $325 million
    6. Sean Lennon – $200 million
    7. Mike Myers – $175 million
    8. George Clooney – $160 million
    9. Brad Pitt – $150 million
    (tie) Don King – $150 million
    11. Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) – $145 million
    12. Jane Fonda – $120 million
    (tie) Miley Cyrus – 120 million
    14. Al Gore – $100 million – Oh come on that’s a low ball figger!
    15. Roseanne Barr – $80 million
    (tie) Deepak Chopra – $80 million
    17. Kanye West – $70 million
    (tie) Dan Rather – $70 million – wow libtardo news casting pays on CBS
    19. Alex Baldwin – $65 million – Do I have to turn off my phone?
    (tie) Matt Damon – $65 million
    21. Tom Morello – $60 million
    (tie) Mia Farrow – $60 million
    23. Katy Perry – $55 million
    24. Michael Moore – $50 million
    (tie) Susan Sarandon – $50 million
    Total: $4.1 billion

  9. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    Whenever a politician pretends to represent the interests of the average voter… We don’t have a royalist system whereby ostentatious displays of wealth are designed to awe the subjects

    You mean Nancy Pelosi and her ostentatious display of a $10,000 per night suite in Kona, Hawaii right rhp6033?

  10. 12

    Puddybud spews:

    That old asshat ylb still living in de past

    The most expensive inauguration in the 20th century by far was Bill Clinton’s 1993 inauguration, which came in at a whopping $25 million. In 1997, the number of inaugural balls reached a peak of fourteen during the second inauguration of Bill Clinton.

    Eight years later George W. Bush’s inauguration cost $40 million. Bush only had nine official for his second inauguration in 2005.

    Barack ObamAA+ had 10 official and 121 unofficial inaugural balls. Total cost was $140 Million.

    As always ylb is a MORON!

  11. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 11: You rather conveniently left out an important part of that quote, to wit:

    “…it’s only fair to ask if they have a conflict of interest.”

    At that point it’s fair to give a pretty close look to their actions while in government, to see who they really represent – the richest among us, or the average American.

    While Pelosi doesn’t have a perfect record, it’s considerably better than Romney, Gingrich, et al., who are fighting to cut (or preserve cuts) on taxes on the wealthy, which would benefit them and their friends and financial supporters directly.

  12. 15

    mookie blaylock spews:

    Can someon please tell me how a community organizer becomes a millionaire?

    Or are we not supposed to know?

  13. 16

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 15: You write a book that sells well. What’s so hard to figure out about that?

    By the way, just about everyone in Congress right now is at least a millionaire, from both parties.

  14. 17

    spews:

    mookie blaylock @ 15,

    “Can someon please tell me how a community organizer becomes a millionaire?”

    Sure. After three years of being a community organizer, go to graduate school, get a J.D. (magna cum laude) from Harvard, serve as president of the Harvard Law Review so that publishers are eager to publish your biography. After law school, practice law for a few years, get a fellowship to write a book, get hired to teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, get elected to a state senate seat, get elected to a U.S. Senate seat, write another book.

    That’s all it takes to bring your net worth to about $1.3 million.

    Of course, it helps to go on to be elected President of the United States, which will pretty quickly bring in an additional $10 million in book sales, and snag you about 1/2 million a year in salary and benefits.

    “Or are we not supposed to know?”

    It’s probably okay for you to know the secret of going from a community organizer to a millionaire. It just won’t do any good for reality-deniers!

  15. 18

    Michael spews:

    @5

    We don’t have a royalist system whereby ostentatious displays of wealth are designed to awe the subjects,

    I’d argue that’s exactly what we have.

  16. 19

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    ” Al Gore – $100 million”

    Well, turns out that the whole global warming thing has been “berry, berry good” to Al!

  17. 20

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    “We don’t have a royalist system whereby ostentatious displays of wealth are designed to awe the subjects, although you couldn’t tell that from some of the Republican candidates this time around.”

    Smart wealthy people realize they don’t have to “show their asses to the masses.” They drive Toyotas and Fords, not beamers and Mercedes. Smart money keeps it hidden and doesn’t call attention to itself!

  18. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @20 If you’re uber-rich and you’re expecting social disintegration, you think about kidnapping for ransom becoming a main business of the unfed masses.

  19. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @19 Global warming isn’t about Al Gore. It’s about disruptive changes to the human ecosystem. Hey, I’m not against global warming! The more warm places we have, the more rabbits we have! We rabbits would love for the whole frikken planet to be a temperature zone. If you think there’s a lot of rabbits now, just wait until the polar ice caps are gone!

  20. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    One of the things laying off public workers gets you is more dead cops.

    For the second straight year, the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty rose sharply in 2011, according to statistics released Wednesday.

    “Preliminary data compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund showed that 173 federal, state and local officers have been killed on the job so far this year, 13 percent more than the 153 who died in 2010 — and 42 percent more than the 122 officers who were killed in 2009.

    “The … nonprofit group … attributed the steep rise to ‘drastic budget cuts’ that ‘have put our officers at grave risk.’”

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....rply-again

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: It isn’t Democrats who are pushing cop-killing budget cuts. Next time you see a Republican, ask him why he’s killing cops.

  21. 25

    rhp6033 spews:

    Well, Gingrich is in fine form these days.

    Almost in the same breath, he insisted that he wasn’t going to “go negative”, then immediately called out Mitt Romney for not being “man enough”, and then said he wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul even if he was nominated.

    Then he blamed his failure in not making the Virginia ballot on “one guy” who he insisted committed fraud. It seems he needed only 10,000 verifiable signatures by registered voters to make the ballot, he turned in 11,500, but over 1,500 were disqualified. He’s blaming a paid signature gatherer for turning in false signatures, apparantly.

    What’s so funny about that is that (a) he should no better than to rely upon such a small margin of extra signatures; (b) he apparantly was having trouble getting even 10,000 valid signatures in the entire state of Virginia; (c) he got stuck with the very thing his compatriots in the Republican Party were using to try to eviscerate ACORN and the Democratic Party – a paid signature gatherer who figured out how to get paid without doing the work. Doesn’t say much for Newt’s ability to manage the people in an organization, does it?

    To top it all off, he insisted he was going to mount a write-in campaign, apparantly unaware that he couldn’t do that in a primary under Virginia law.

    Newt Blames everyone but himself for virginia ballot failure

  22. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    The most recent polls ahead of the Iowa Caucus showed no big changes in the past ten days – Ron Paul is leading at 23%, Mitt Romney staying consistent at 20%, and Newt Gingrich falling to third – I think it was 13% or so. Everyone else spreads out among the bottom tiers.

    While we’ve placed a lot of attention on the circus which is the GOP candidates and their scramble to bite and claw their way to the top of the pack, there seems to be one over-riding lesson here: Iowa simply has way too much enfluence in how we select a President.

    The candidates have criss-crossed Iowa, some of them for the better part of a year, and Iowa residents seem rather bored with it. They explain that they are used to seeing and talking with candidates, and experience residents of few other states ever get to experience.

    It’s not that Iowa residents pick the next President. Their record there has been pretty inconsistent. But what they DO accomplish is to provide an effective veto over who will be able to remain in the race. Anyone who can’t get at least in the top three (maybe four) is pretty much out of the running – their campaign funds will dry up, news articles will talk about how they don’t have “momentum”, etc.

  23. 27

    Michael spews:

    Iowa simply has way too much enfluence in how we select a President.

    Nah, look at pervious elections.

    2008 – Mike Huckabee (34%), Mitt Romney (25%), Fred Thompson (13%), John McCain (13%), Ron Paul (10%), Rudy Giuliani (4%), and Duncan Hunter (1%)

    2004 – George W. Bush (unopposed)

    2000 – George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (31%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%), and Orrin Hatch (1%)

    1996 – Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%), and Morry Taylor (1%)

    In ’08 they struck out. In the other elections the Iowa winner was the only person in the field that had a hope in hell of getting anywhere near the White House anyway.

    Iowa’s a joke.

  24. 28

    Michael spews:

    Gary Johnson’s out! Or in, or something. Not that anyone cares.

    Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson said Wednesday he is quitting the Republican primaries and will run for president as a Libertarian, highlighting the possibility a third-party candidate could impact the 2012 election.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2.....s-GOP-race

  25. 29

    Puddybud spews:

    David Letterman, Steven King, Roseanne Bar, etc. are all running for office?

    Who said that rhp6033? Only you!

  26. 30

    rhp6033 spews:

    to Puddy @ # 29: My post (in response to your post) pointed out that a candidate’s wealth (and what they do with it) was a valid issue for consideration. Not the only issue, mind you, but a valid one nonetheless.

    You responded with a list of movie actors, producers, directors, authors, etc., which you implied were Democrats. Which, of course, has nothing to do with the point that a political candidate’s wealth is a valid issue.

    I was just trying to bring you back to the point of the discussion. You, of course, would rather avoid that.

  27. 31

    Puddybud spews:

    “…it’s only fair to ask if they have a conflict of interest.”

    I was GIVING Nancy Pelosi the benefit of the doubt rhp6033… BUTT since you elevated the argument, How about her insider trading antics?

  28. 32

    rhp6033 spews:

    Gingrich is really going off the deep end.

    Now he’s saying he can create “millions of jobs” at the drop of a hat, simply by cutting taxes and repealing regulations. Apparantly his recent add has a fleeting reference to an endorsement by the “architect of Ronald Reagan’s economic plan”, which could only be Laffler and his infamous “Laffler curve”.

    You would think that after thirty years of so of this B.S. these guys would at least come up with a new act.

    Laffler reminds me of the old joke about the Soviet Union, when the cleaning lady asked Gorbachev if Marx was a scientist. Gorbachov patiently explained that Marx was not a scientist, he was an economic theorist. “I thought so”, replied the cleaning lady. “If he was a scientist, he would have tested his theory first!”

  29. 33

    Puddybud spews:

    You responded with a list of movie actors, producers, directors, authors, etc., which you implied were Democrats. Which, of course, has nothing to do with the point that a political candidate’s wealth is a valid issue.

    Ummm rhp6033… My post was about DUMMOCRAPTS and OWSers. BTW they are DUMMOCRAPTS. Need further proof? NewsMeat or OpenSecrets.

    I was just trying to bring you back to the point of the discussion. You, of course, would rather avoid that.

    What discussion dude? You are out in left field as ever. There is NO AVOIDANCE, except you avoiding their wealth and making some stupid false equivalence.

    It wasn’t about anything you posted. Your leetle mind tried to tie them to something not relevant, a non sequitor. How do they understand the masses with their rich ASSes? How do 1%er DUMMOCRAPTS understand a 99%er when their silver spoons are evident in their ride, their air travel and their entourages?

    Yep, you surely didn’t get it!

  30. 34

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 31: I already covered that:

    “…While Pelosi doesn’t have a perfect record, it’s considerably better than Romney, Gingrich, et al., who are fighting to cut (or preserve cuts) on taxes on the wealthy, which would benefit them and their friends and financial supporters directly.”

    Both parties have had politicians engaged in insider trading, probably a lot more than have been named. It should be stopped immediately, and it should be illegal, not a mere ethics violation.

  31. 35

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 33: Apparantly you don’t understand logic, at least not when it doesn’t suit you. I tried to be patient and explain it to you, but you refuse to be willing to learn. I’m not going to waste any more time on a petulant student who’s unwilling to learn.

  32. 36

    Puddybud spews:

    Apparantly you don’t understand logic, at least not when it doesn’t suit you.

    IT’S AN OPEN THREAD rhp6033. One can post anything they want with no tie-in to your crummy commentary.

    You responded with a list of movie actors, producers, directors, authors,

    There is no tie-in, no matter how you TRY to talk down to me fool. I posted OWS loving DUMMOCRAPTS and their monetary worth. Your logic comes from Cass Sunstein! I already proved that many times.

    You continue to make some useless tie-in between posts. Where did I make any mention of your previous posts in my post #10?

    ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE!

  33. 37

    Puddybud spews:

    While Pelosi doesn’t have a perfect record

    You finally wrote something I can agree with.

    BUTT then again Nancy Pelosi voted no on:

    Creating Health Savings Accounts
    Banning partial-birth abortion
    Eliminating the marriage penalty
    Protecting the Pledge of Allegiance
    Eliminating the death tax

  34. 38

    spews:

    12 – LMAO!! Back then YOU were a Dem fool!

    What did you think about it then?

    Raygun set the bar for making a splash in the village.

    Such a miserable dope!

  35. 39

    spews:

    If there is criticism of how much a modern inaugural costs, it is usually directed at this latter cost, the parties and festivities, even though the burden is not borne by taxpayers. Going backward in time, from the most recent to the most distant inaugurals, here are the private-sector costs of the festivities surrounding some inaugurations:

    George W. Bush’s 2nd inaugural will cost in the neighborhood of $40 million. That’s what the Presidential Inaugural Committee is trying to raise through private donations and ticket sales to the nine balls and three candlelight dinners.

    George W. Bush’s 1st inaugural in 2001 also cost nearly $40 million.

    Bill Clinton’s 2nd inaugural in 1997 was comparatively lean by the inaugural standards of the times, $23.6 million.

    Bill Clinton’s 1st inaugural in 1993 cost approximately $33 million.

    George H. W. Bush’s inaugural in 1989 cost approximately $30 million.

    Ronald Reagan’s 2nd inaugural in 1985 cost in the neighborhood of the 1981 inaugural, around $20 million.

    Ronald Reagan’s 1st inaugural in 1981 cost $19.4 million, significantly more than his predecessors. One reason is that inflation had been sky-high between Carter’s and Reagan’s inaugurations. A second reason is that several balls were added to the festivities. A third is that the swearing-in ceremony was moved to the west front of the Capitol. Because of topography, that aspect of the building is much more dramatic than the east front; it was also symbolic of Ronald Reagan’s western roots.

    Jimmy Carter’s inaugural in 1977 cost $3.5 million. Elected in the wake of the Watergate scandal, he deliberately downplayed anything that appeared to aggrandize the presidency.

    http://www.gvsu.edu/hauenstein.....ns-189.htm

  36. 40

    spews:

    but* then again Nancy Pelosi voted no on:

    Banning dilation and extraction* abortion – good. No one likes the idea of dilation and extraction abortion, but believe it or not it is medically necessary in some cases to save the life of the woman.

    Protecting the Pledge of Allegiance - Good. this is a made up issue. It didn’t say “Under God” till the 1950s or somesuch. It’s like the so called war on Christmas that even Faux news sent out “Season’s Greetings” holiday cards.

    Eliminating the death tax - Good. I don’t want to create economic hereditary royalty. Let each generation EARN their worth, not inherit it.

    Creating Health Savings Accounts – Donno. I’d like to hear what the context was. I need more info than the dog whistle phrase you cite.

    Eliminating the marriage penalty - Donno since I cannot get legally married to the person I love. I’d like to hear what the context was. I need more info than the dog whistle phrase you cite.

    *I changed your spellings so you didn’t sound so stupid.

  37. 41

    spews:

    Creating Health Savings Accounts

    Just another tax dodge for well to do people.

    Well to do people are usually the only ones who can spare the cash to take advantage of these plans.

  38. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @37 There is no such thing as a “death tax.” You won’t find that term anywhere in federal or state law. It’s an invention of Wingnut Propaganda Central. It’s also a falsehood; but then, what spew from rightwingers isn’t? Dead people don’t pay taxes. They only make morticians rich and worms well-fed.

    Estate taxes are effectively paid by heirs on what realistically is unearned (and often undeserved) income.

    But I’ll tell you what, pussybutt. I’ll agree to abolish estate taxes if you’ll agree to eliminate the basis stepup and treat inheritances as ordinary income of heirs.

    Deal?

  39. 43

    Puddybud spews:

    even though the burden is not borne by taxpayers

    Who was talking about taxpayers ylb?

    Barack ObamAA+ had 10 official and 121 unofficial inaugural balls. Total cost was $140 Million.

    As always ylb is a MORON!

  40. 44

    Puddybud spews:

    Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)

    Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created in 2003 so that individuals covered by high-deductible health plans could receive tax-preferred treatment of money saved for medical expenses. Generally, an adult who is covered by a high-deductible health plan (and has no other first-dollar coverage) may establish an HSA.

    They were created for the middle class peeps.

    As always ylb is a MORON!

  41. 45

    Puddybud spews:

    But I’ll tell you what, pussybutt. I’ll agree to abolish estate taxes if you’ll agree to eliminate the basis stepup and treat inheritances as ordinary income of heirs.

    Never had a problem with that Oh Dopey Rabbit. If the crazed databaze moron ylb checks his mind assist, you’ll see I suggested that it should be retroactive all the way back to the Kennedy fortune!

    Deal Dopey Rabbit?

  42. 46

    Puddybud spews:

    Banning dilation and extraction* abortion

    It’s called The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 (Pub.L. 108-105, 117 Stat. 1201, enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. § 1531, PBA Ban)

    Butt to a DUMMOCRAPT, it some mumbo jumbo above!!!

    I changed it back because you are sooooooo stupid.

  43. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    One reason is that inflation had been sky-high between Carter’s and Reagan’s inaugurations.

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot!

  44. 51

    spews:

    A second reason is that several balls were added to the festivities. A third is that the swearing-in ceremony was moved to the west front of the Capitol. Because of topography, that aspect of the building is much more dramatic than the east front; it was also symbolic of Ronald Reagan’s western roots.

    Once a blind moronic fool, ALWAYS A BLIND MORONIC FOOL!

    And again, ya can’t read for shit!

  45. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    The author of ylb’s link @50 is Mila Kofman – ObamAA+ Healthcare jockstrapper. BTW village idiot, we have an HSA and I’m not rich! Maybe you are a moron too! Helped pay for my son’s surgery!

    Nuff SAID SUCKA!

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot!

  46. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    I N F L A T I O N!

    So dipshit for brains, why were Clinton’s costs so high?

    Why did ObamAA+’s cost $140 Million dipshit?

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot! Yes ylb is a moron too!

  47. 54

    spews:

    52 – Once again a moronic TOOL can’t read for shit.

    I NEVER SAID RICH!

    And you’re blathering about Obamacare now? That plan that copied what Romney did in MA and whose insurance mandate was touted by both the Heritage Foundation and that “big government progressive” Newt Gingrich???

  48. 55

    spews:

    53 – LMAO!!! 140 million???

    That’s the cost of two miserable minutes of that idiot’s (you voted for him twice) excellent adventure in Iraq!

  49. 56

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW ylb, if you had checked your source… (you never do) Mila Kofman got Maine a one of those detestable health care waivers! These waivers display DUMMOCRAPTS complete disregard for the American people.

  50. 57

    Puddybud spews:

    That’s the cost of two miserable minutes of that idiot’s (you voted for him twice) excellent adventure in Iraq!

    Changing the topic again huh ylb? Only morons do that when they know they’ve lost the argument. So let’s bring the train back to the correct tracks!

    Why did ObamAA+’s cost $140 Million dipshit?

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot! Yes ylb is a feckless moron too!

  51. 58

    spews:

    I N F L A T I O N!

    LMAO!!! Using this inflation calculator, Carter’s inauguration in 77 at 3.5 million would cost 5.3 million in 81.

    Sorry fool, Raygun’s inauguration set an example for over the top extravagance and demonstrating how much government is bought and paid for by big money.

  52. 59

    Puddybud spews:

    I NEVER SAID RICH!

    Ohhh? Well let’s revisit the link headlines you posted…

    HSAs: A Great Tax Shelter for Wealthy, Healthy People

    Butt butt butt the link says wealthy. What are the wealthy ylb? Rich peeps! Certainly not you!

    But then neither am I and we have an HSA!

  53. 60

    spews:

    Why did a much better man than the idiot Puddybud voted for twice’s inauguration cost $140 Million?

    Like with Raygun, fatcats paid for it.

  54. 61

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow when ylb gets his meme he doesn’t drop it. He is tenacious even though he’s a monomaniacal moron!

    Why did ObamAA+’s cost $140 Million dipshit? Was it “demonstrating how much government is bought and paid for by big money.” (your words)? Butt of course. ObamAA+ was bought and paid for by Wall Street, San Franfreako and Hollyweird fatcats.

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot! Yes ylb is a feckless moron too! Butt he’s lhao!

  55. 62

    spews:

    59 – zzzzZZZzzzz.. What a moron.. Never wrote those words..

    But then neither am I and we have an HSA!

    Why? I thought you were on socialist health care from Seattle.

    So you changed to what your right wing masters want you to do?

    Was it something I said?

  56. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    Never wrote those words.

    You posted the link ya idiot!

    B U S T E D!

    HSA are for everyone ya moron. Only you would think it’s socialist. Where is the government taking from you to give to me? Wait a minute… you got nuthin to take!

    @63, you didn’t answer anything. You ran like you always do! Why did ObamAA+’s cost $140 Million dipshit? Was it “demonstrating how much government is bought and paid for by big money.” (your words)? Butt of course. ObamAA+ was bought and paid for by Wall Street, San Franfreako and Hollyweird fatcats.

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot! Yes ylb is a feckless moron too! Butt he’s lhao!

    M O N O M A N A I C A L _ I D I O T!

  57. 66

    spews:

    64 – ZZZzzzzzZZ… Never wrote those words dummy. I said “well to do” in my original remarks.

    HSA’s are only for people with cash they can afford to tie up to get the tax benefit..

    Only you would think it’s socialist.

    LMAO!!! Once again a pathetic fool (Puddybud) is confused. Long ago you said you had Group Health insurance which is called “Group Death” by your fellow right wing morons.

    So when did you make the big switch to “letting the market decide”??

  58. 68

    spews:

    HSA are for everyone

    Bullshit. If you’re working poor and have no spare cash they’re useless. If you’re sick, they’re useless.

    And you distorted that article. It should be properly read as “Wealthy” or “Healthy” but still you have to be “wealthy” enough to tie up the cash to get the tax benefit otherwise – it’s useless.

  59. 69

    spews:

    43. Puddybud spews:

    even though the burden is not borne by taxpayers

    Who was talking about taxpayers ylb?

    Barack ObamAA+ had 10 official and 121 unofficial inaugural balls. Total cost was $140 Million.

    As always ylb is a MORON!

    12/28/2011 at 9:59 pm

    This ass is sickening.

    Everything is bad. If a Democrat says the sky is blue the bitch will find a way to call it a lie.

    The bitch is never ever ever ever wrong and has no positive proposals,

    None.

    Name ONE, bitch.

    Go to Somalia, you fuck. You’ll be happy there with the rest of your Libertarian fuck buddies.

    Amscray erkjay!

  60. 70

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Uh-oh.

    Anti-union group files case against Boeing Machinists through NLRB

    A Virginia anti-union organization has filed what it called a “federal retaliation charge” against the Machinists District Lodge 751 through the National Labor Relations Board.

    Don’t these anti-union employees understand that the NRLB is an evil government agency which should not exist?

    In a Dec. 28 release, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation contended that Boeing workers in Charleston who had opposed unionization there were “denied participation in the hearing concluding the case.”

    Don’t think they were denied. As I recall these same gentlemen complaining now led the decertification process whereby Boeing workers in Charleston voted not to be part of a negotiation process.

    According to the release, union leaders “abused the NLRB’s adjudicative process to bully Boeing in locating production of the company’s 737 Max and future airplane production in Washington State.”

    And so the friendly folks at the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation are going to use the NLRB’s adjudicative process in a better way. Bully for them!

    Let’s hope that the NLRB is not de-funded before it can decide on the merits of this complaint.

  61. 71

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Adding to my above statement, I find it hilariously ironic that an organization like the National Right to Work Foundation and the Koch funded and affiliated Republican congresscritter in Wichita, Mike Pompeo, are up in arms over the contract the Boeing Corp negotiated with the IAM and feel the need to use the power of the evil federal government to harass the good profit earning intentions of the Boeing Corp.

    While I feel for the people of Wichita and Charleston who got the short end of the stick by choosing to trust the good will of the Boeing Corp and the invisible hand fairy, those citizens and workers could learn a valuable lesson by not associating with the Koch brothers hobby horses.

  62. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Everything is bad? If a Democrat says the sky is blue the bitch will find a way to call it a lie.

    Does rujax ever process a thread. Why did I write my comment bottom dweller? The only bitch is you. All you do is bitch bitch bitch how life has dealt you a bad hand.

    Wait… Being a bottom dweller means there is no living brain cells in that vacuous cranial orifice! Puddy isn’t libertarian ya moron. Been against Ron Paul since jump street. You do know jump street right ya idiot.

    Aren’t you one of those DUMMOCRAPTS for Ron Paul? Prove it!

  63. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    What happened to that Mila Kofman argument feckless one?

    I never ran away fool. You go to bed with your wife ya moron. You have no life so you cruise the crazed databaze looking for something useless to post from previous entries.

    Still living vicariously. Still stalking me too. Entry number #23. And still failing. How does it feel to be owned like a slave? I own your sorry ASS! Somewhere you are depriving a village of an monomaniacal idiot. rujax already has the idiot honor on HA!

  64. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    Bullshit. If you’re working poor and have no spare cash they’re useless. If you’re sick, they’re useless.

    Sounds to me another of your crybaby rants. You use them if you are sick idiot! And why are you poor? Poor life choices ya moron.

    Look in the mirror and determine what life choice(s) put you where you are and stop blaming others for your life’s lunacy. Instead of sitting on your ASS 24×7 living vicariously on other peeps thoughts, go to ITT and become something useful instead of a couch sitting biomass!

  65. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW ya moron still have GH. And now we have BCBS too. Two jobs two HIs. Get a job and get some insurance. Stop being a crybaby!

    And from your post in #64, let’s prove once again why you are a chronological monomaniacal moron… My Comment is 11/09

    This is a slog entry from 07/09

    Soon, we’ll all have Group Death!

    Now most peeps who read and post the slog are loony libtardos. They call it Group Death. Any more questions about leftist pinhead commentary on the slog? How many times is it used here on HA to make a “point”? I read it for the comedy value. Golly no crazed databaze needed to recall previously read slog material. You need the crazed databaze because your silly mind is a photographic memory with the lens cover glued on. No mind, no memory!

    So you see once again your stalk #23 is an EPIC FAYLE!

    Don’t worry brain-dead rujax will come to your rescue!

  66. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    MikeBoyScout,

    I like this link…

    The charge points out that if the IAM union hierarchy still had a presence in the South Carolina plant, then the South Carolina workers’ jobs would not have been at risk. Even NLRB Acting General Counsel Lafe Solomon – who issued the NLRB’s complaint against Boeing – admitted in Congressional testimony that it was inconceivable that IAM union officials would have pursued charges against Boeing if workers had not removed the union from their workplace.

    Great information not in the libtardo MSM!

  67. 78

    Puddybud spews:

    “Life is the sum of all your choices.” ~ Albert Camus ~

    We see the HA crybabys’ chose “well”.

  68. 79

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @76/77, You are welcome for the link.

    Tell me, do you think the NLRB has the right to adjudicate the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation complaint?

  69. 80

    spews:

    73 – LMAO!!! You’re too funny dummy.

    The database merely holds you accountable for your blather. I can easily find your crap with it.

    If you didn’t make so much crap here – 30k+ comments, it’d be a little harder to pin you down. But you do and you can’t help yourself and you’re stuck with that. Sure sucks to be you!

    LMAO!!! That slog link has ONE anonymous comment that calls GH “Group Death”. Obviously a right winger. Most of the comments are positive and tout the good service and reasonable price.

    Nice try asshole. Plenty of right wing idiots comment on slog because like here, no one there polices the threads. I caught that old troll “lostinaseaofblue” posting there. The silly fool denies he ever came here even though he comments in the same style, brags about having rental properties and a home in Italy just like he did here.

    What else? 64 was your post stupid. Our family is lucky enough to have great health insurance. We have no use for right wing scams like HSA’s.

    Funny you don’t drop GH and “let the market decide”.. Don’t seem like you have the courage of your brainwashing convictions.

  70. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Poor poor ylb,

    Vicariously living on others posts. EPIC FAYLE using my posts from before. A real monomaniacal (did I hit 300 yet) chronological failure

    LMAO!!! That slog link has ONE anonymous comment that calls GH “Group Death”. Obviously a right winger.

    Wrong again moron. Did you see what he called himself? Oh so HMOs are a good thing per

    Most of the comments are positive and tout the good service and reasonable price.

    Uhhh.. U R HA’s ASShole along with rujax. Here is your picture again… HSAs are right wing? Not per Ted Kennedy!

    The chief proponent in the Senate, Ted Kennedy (D-MA) is striving to make this his legacy prior to retiring, which may occur this year.

    You are one miserable moron!

  71. 82

    Puddybud spews:

    Tell me, do you think the NLRB has the right to adjudicate the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation complaint?

    The NLRB has been in the courts since the 1960s so they have a right! And the federal courts can rule on the NLRB decision making process like they have before!

  72. 83

    spews:

    The most expensive inauguration in the 20th century by far was Bill Clinton’s 1993 inauguration, which came in at a whopping $25 million.

    Uhhh. Fool? Just ran Ronnie Raygun’s 1981 inauguration through the inflation calculator. And Raygun’s 81 bash would have cost…

    (drumroll)

    30.83 million in 1993.. Sorry you lose dummy!

    And there’s more:

    According to comment 39 Clinton’s 1997 bash cost less than his 1993 bash..

    You lose again.

    Ronnie Raygun set the bar stupid. His inauguration way more than tripled Carter’s cost even ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.

  73. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    So now you are using the “inflation calculator”?

    Whataretard!

    His prices were inflated due to Carter’s morass. You are such a simpleton. The first entry in the high cost was I N F L A T I O N per your lousy link.

    You keep screaming… No one’s listening to ya… Barack ObamAA+ had 10 official and 121 unofficial inaugural balls. Total cost was $140 Million.

    Once the village idiot, ylb is always the village idiot! Yes ylb is a feckless moron too! Butt he’s lhao!

    M O N O M A N A I C A L _ I D I O T! ylb, a prime candidate for natural de-selection.

  74. 86

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @82, Let’s try again.

    Do you think the NLRB has the right to adjudicate the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation complaint?

    HINT: It is a Yes/No question.

  75. 87

    spews:

    Not per Ted Kennedy!

    LMAO!!! That Kennedy reference refers to this from that article:

    The high costs to taxpayers of such universal programs in Massachusetts and California may give legislators pause, but Washington observers believe that pressure will be exerted to pass such legislation this year.

    The chief proponent in the Senate, Ted Kennedy (D-MA) is striving to make this his legacy prior to retiring, which may occur this year.

    Teddy was in favor of single payer if he could get it.

    Nothing to do with HSA’s. Thanks for proving yet again you can’t read for shit!

  76. 88

    spews:

    His prices were inflated due to Carter’s morass.

    LMAO! Still WAY over triple Carter’s cost ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.

    81 was a right wing coronation, plain and simple.

  77. 91

    spews:

    Oh so HMOs are a good thing per

    All the doctors in GH are on salary. Keeps costs down. GH started as GHC as in cooperative as in according to right wing idiots, socialism..

    Wow amazing you’d spend your money for that over the right wing solution: HSA’s.

  78. 92

    Puddybud spews:

    All the doctors in GH are on salary. Keeps costs down. GH started as GHC as in cooperative as in according to right wing idiots, socialism..

    My two neighbor doctors are HMO physicians. They like it for two reasons. Steady income and stable work hours. Butt to a moron as you that’s socialism! They work for their income and it’s not handed to them by the “state”. GHC is a state program ylb? Hmmm socialism is a “state” activity! You even suck as a moron!

    Your explanation as always proves you are the HA village idiot!

  79. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    No more Mila Kofman ylb? You ran from her like your smell you leave here. Must be those delusions of adequacy again!

  80. 94

    spews:

    What happened to Mila Kofman?

    Nothing. Still there in comment 50. Why? According to you, her worst crime is to support Obama (most people did in 2008) and ask for more time for Maine to adjust to the new health care laws.

    http://bangordailynews.com/201.....oss-ratio/

    And of course call HSA’s for what they are: a piss poor approach to making health care accessible to modest income people.

  81. 95

    spews:

    My two neighbor doctors are HMO physicians. They like it for two reasons. Steady income and stable work hours.

    Why can’t they let the market decide? Where’s their “entrepreneurial spirit”?

    You must be calling them names behind their backs.

  82. 96

    spews:

    Ted Kennedy was for HSAs

    zzzzZZZZzz.. You lose. That link you provided said he was for “universal programs” like RomneyCare in MA.

    If the country wanted single payer badly enough, Teddy would have been there for it.

  83. 97

    spews:

    Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership[dubious – discuss] of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] “Social ownership” may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous State enterprises.[2][3] Socialist economies are based upon production for use and the direct allocation of economic inputs to satisfy economic demands and human needs (use value); accounting is based on physical quantities of resources, some physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[4]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

    GROUP HEALTH COOPERATIVE

    YOU SUPPORT IT WITH YOUR MONEY FOOL!

  84. 98

    Puddybud spews:

    Nothing. Still there in comment 50. Why? According to you, her worst crime is to support Obama (most people did in 2008) and ask for more time for Maine to adjust to the new health care laws.

    What? If ObamAA+Care is so great why so many waivers. Why did she push for a state waiver?

    Such a moron!

  85. 99

    Puddybud spews:

    You must be calling them names behind their backs.

    Nope you dope. Their children visit our house like others in the neighborhood. We watch over all the children in our block. Something progressive morons like you would never understand. And one is a big time leftist pinhead like you. Even with that he’s still a friend unlike you and your mindless trash!

  86. 100

    spews:

    99 – Wow Puddybud that’s one socialist enterprise you’ve got going in that neighborhood. You saying a market rate isn’t set for watching the kids?

    What kind of a right winger are you?

  87. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    So just because GHC has cooperative it’s socialistic? And since GHC supports ObamAA+Care how can it be socialistic? You and others here complain ObamAA+Care isn’t socialism yet you call a supporter of it socialism!

    President Barack Obama has signed major health insurance changes into law. Group Health has long supported comprehensive health care reform that provides coverage for every citizen.

    Will I drop GHC cuz they support ObamAA+Care? Nope! They have great health care prices as you stated above.

    You forget what you write in just so little time.

    U R A MORON!

  88. 102

    Puddybud spews:

    You saying a market rate isn’t set for watching the kids?

    What are you babbling about now?

    You are a train wreck per post!

  89. 103

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    puddyspasm, I applaud your avoidance of my question.
    I’m sure the horse asses at the National Right to Work Foundation will provide us more hilarity once their complaint is dismissed by the NLRB or as they call the organization they have asked to adjudicate their claim, the Obama Labor Board.

  90. 104

    ArtFart spews:

    @20 In point of fact, I think I’ve become personally acquainted with only two bona fide billionaires. One of them drove an old refrigerator-white K5 Blazer.

  91. 105

    Puddybud spews:

    Ummm MikeBoyScout… You can’t comprehend answers that don’t have progressive spin on them. NLRB has down through the ages has adjudicated disputes. Then the aggrieved party went to the federal courts. Do I need to spell it out for you in case law?

  92. 106

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @105, oh goody!

    “down through the ages”? WTF is that?

    The NLRB has adjudicated since 1935 when FDR signed into law the National Labor Relations Act (otherwise known as the Wagner Act after the Democratic Senator who wrote it).

    The key principles of the NLRA are embodied in its concluding paragraph of section 1 including:
    encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining and by protecting the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing, for the purpose of negotiating the terms and conditions of their employment or other mutual aid or protection.

    And because this law has existed for ages, you agree with it and its authority to adjudicate the complaint.

    Good to know.

    And if you want to spell out for me in case law what will happen when the NLRB dismisses the ridiculous line of bullshit that the complaint plainly is, please do.

  93. 107

    spews:

    78. Puddybud spews:

    “Life is the sum of all your choices.” ~ Albert Camus ~

    We see the HA crybabys’ chose “well”.

    12/29/2011 at 7:59 am

    Like the bitch choosing the hateful racist Ron Paul.

    Good going craphead.

  94. 108

    Puddybud spews:

    Like the bitch choosing the hateful racist Ron Paul.

    Once again all can see rujax has reading problems.

    Spell it out fool. Call on your ugly twin cheezy HA crazed databaze brother ylb to show where I jockstrapped Ron Paul on this blog. Go on moron, prove it. I dare ya!

    I knew about the Paulian newsletters long ago moron. I know black history. U know nuthin and you prove it every day!

    “Life is the sum of all your choices.” ~ Albert Camus ~

    We see the HA crybabys’ chose “well”. rujax stepped to the plate and struck out again!

  95. 109

    Puddybud spews:

    And if you want to spell out for me in case law what will happen when the NLRB dismisses the ridiculous line of bullshit that the complaint plainly is, please do.

    Nope you dope! When did I write that? You have moronic mindless moonbat memory malady! I agree that the NLRB was given that power by law! I said the aggrieved party can take their decision to federal courts and some have.

  96. 110

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @109,


    I said the aggrieved party can take their decision to federal courts and some have.

    No, an aggrieved party cannot take a decision to federal court. And none have had a case heard (anyone can file anything).

    The NRLB can take its decision to a federal court to enforce its determination.

    But hey, you’ve been wrong for ages, so there’s that.

  97. 111

    spews:

    They have great health care prices as you stated above.

    I don’t get it Puddybud. Group Health Cooperative was founded in Seattle and according to your miserable stupid fellow right wingers, that’s teh great socialist shaitan..

    How can GHC be lower in price than the “market-based” providers?

    Wow you are one strange right winger!

  98. 112

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    This from the DK

    It’s a great illustration of just how pathetic the Republican Party has become: a defeated former U.S. Senator is vying to overtake an ineffective backbencher as the Republican Party’s hottest candidate. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney marches to the right, desperate for support from a Republican base that can’t stop falling in love with the Rick Santorums and Newt Gingriches and Rick Perrys of the world. It’s clear that most of the GOP base doesn’t really want Mitt Romney … but at the end of the day, he very well could be the only option that they have.

  99. 114

    spews:

    If President Obama’s health care legislation is so great why so many waivers.

    zzzZZZZzzzz.. Stoooooopid… No one here said it was perfect. At best you can say it’s RomneyCare on a nationwide scale.

    All of us here wanted single payer and barely settled for a public option.

    Your miserable politicians wanted nothing more than warmed over HSA’s and some competition-based bullshit that only let insurers maximize their profits further while bankrupting more sick people.

    But it sure was sweet to see Jim DeMint dance by himself to “Waterloo”.

    We’ll get there.

  100. 117

    Puddybud spews:

    No one here said it was perfect.

    Butt we had to pass the bill to learn what’s in it – paraphrased Nancy Pelosi. If the bill was so great why all the waivers ya moron? The bill sucks and now we know it will cost more to implement than first led to believe.

  101. 118

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @116,

    Spend a little more time researching next time.

    The aggrieved party was not Hoffman Plastic Compounds Inc.
    Hoffman argued that the enforcement levied by the NLRB for the aggrieved party against Hoffman was not legal under the NLRA because the aggrieved party (an undocumented worker who had been laid-off) was not covered because of the worker’s undocumented status.

    Well Mike, how does it look to be wrong again!
    As I am not wrong it doesn’t matter how I look to you or any other wingnut.

  102. 120

    Puddybud spews:

    Where is this “undocumented worker” claim in the decision MikeCubScout?

    Thus, allowing the Board to award backpay to illegal aliens would unduly trench upon explicit statutory prohibitions critical to federal immigration policy.

    Now back to Hoffman Plastics… Per your commentary above

    The aggrieved party was not Hoffman Plastic Compounds Inc.

    From the finding…

    Petitioner hired Jose Castro on the basis of documents appearing to verify his authorization to work in the United States, but laid him and others off after they supported a union-organizing campaign at petitioner’s plant. Respondent National Labor Relations Board (Board) found that the layoffs violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) and ordered backpay and other relief.

    Now who was the petitioner again MikeCubScout?

  103. 122

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @119, Here’s a clue for you. When the case you find includes “NLRB” as the defendant that should tell you that it is not an aggrieved party seeking redress for an unfair labor practice under the NLRA.

    If the plaintiff is a company going after the NLRB (as in Yellow Cab Co, or Hoffman Inc) that pretty much seals the deal.

    Again, this case like the last you found is a company appealing the decision of the NLRB because the aggrieved party, for whom the NLRB found the complaint to be valid, is not within the NLRB’s jurisdiction under the NLRA.

    The situation that I led with was employees of Boeing complaining to the NLRB that they were mistreated by the negotiation between Boeing and the IAM. The NLRB is going to dismiss this complaint as it has no merit, and from a legal perspective that will be the end. There will be no appeal heard by a federal court that the dismissal was wrong. The appeal process is spelled out in the statute.

  104. 123

    spews:

    Almost forgot:

    Another Republican solution to access to health care for poor/middle income people:

    Chickens..

    Solutions to complex problems like access to health care are so simple to right wingers: tax shelters and chickens.

  105. 125

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @120,

    Now who was the petitioner again MikeCubScout?

    The Petitioner in Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB is Hoffman.
    The Respondent in Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB is the NLRB.

    The issue (which you’ve gotten confused) in Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB was a single aspect of the NLRB determination of a complaint filed by Castro.

    I’m done. It is just good to know that you agree with the NLRA that the NLRB has the right to adjudicate employee complaints about an employee’s right to collectively bargain.

  106. 126

    spews:

    If the bill was so great why all the waivers

    Patiently explaining yet again to a total moron.. The bill is not perfect.. Some parties like in the case of Maine need more time to comply with the requirements..

    I’m sure the waiver applications are published somewhere. Go look them up yourself.

    The bill while not perfect makes health care accessible to MORE PEOPLE. It’s a step in the right direction.

    And anything that helps people like social security, like medicare, like Pell Grants is a total nightmare to right wing nitwits like you.

  107. 127

    Puddybud spews:

    And the SCOTUS told the NLRB they could not force Hoffman to pay Castro because he was an illegal, not undocumented so the NLRB was overturned.

    Me done too!

  108. 128

    Steve spews:

    I see that Holder has put the brakes on South Carolina Republican’s attempt to suppress the vote. Nice, how the Governor claims state’s rights. Anyways, it looks like our resident self-loathing loon is all bummed because his elderly black South Carolina peeps might yet get to vote for Obama again. Amazing, that in the 21st Century these elderly blacks have to hear “state’s rights” being spewed by conservatives as they try their damnedest to suppress the black vote.

  109. 131

    Gman spews:

    @30 – love you man but trying to reason with Puddywax is like trying to keep heterosexuals from killing and raping people.

  110. 133

    Gman spews:

    I wonder how many family values murders and rapings there were while Puddwax spewed his bullshit.

  111. 134

    olde english 800 spews:

    sounds like gman is upset again…must have lost at last nights game of rectum-wreckers…

    counseling my boy, counseling….its what you need..