Open thread 12-30-05

The last sandbox of 2005. Please feel free to turn it into “a schoolyard shouting match.”


  1. 4

    Jerry Springer Jr. spews:

    The main difference between Goldy’s comments threads and my dad’s television show is that my dad figured out a way to get rich off schoolyard shouting matches.

  2. 6

    Janet S spews:

    If by odd chance, McGavrick came out for gay marriage, non-activist on abortion, and against teaching ID in schools, but was favorable on limited govt and lower taxes, where would that stand with the “middle” repubs or dems?

    Maria is kind of an embarrassment, but she is a shoe-in if the far right takes hold of the repubs.

  3. 8

    DugoutNut spews:

    To all my RIGHTWINGNUT friends, Happy New Year!

    It is my sincere hope that you finally realize how stupid you really are and how far out of touch you continue to be.

    Here’s to Democrats everywhere, WE ARE BACK!!!!!


  4. 9

    Janet S spews:

    I was hoping for something intelligent. Of course, I’m expecting too much from an over-the-hill govt lawyer and a moonbat.

    Happy new year!

  5. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey everybody, let’s have a WINGNUT NEW YEAR’S RESOLUTIONS CONTEST!!! Here’s my first entry.

    “As a wingnut, I resolve to get a brain transplant as soon as possible!”

  6. 12

    Dr. E spews:

    “As a wingnut, I promise to read, sign, and abide by the terms of the following contract:
    “I (the undersigned) believe President George W. Bush when he says that the United States of America is fighting a ‘new kind of enemy’ that requires ‘new thinking’ about how to wage war. Therefore, as a loyal citizen of President Bush’s United States, my signature below indicates my agreement to the following:

    “1. I believe wholeheartedly in the Patriot Act as initially passed by Congress in 2001, as well as the provisions of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act. Therefore, I grant the FBI access to:

    “a. my library records, so it may determine if I am reading material that might designate me an enemy of the nation;

    “b. my financial records, including credit reports, so it may determine if I am contributing monetarily to any governmentally proscribed activities or organizations;

    “c. my medical records, so it may determine if my prescriptions, injuries, or other conditions are indicative of terrorist activity on my part;

    “d. any and all other personal records including, but not limited to, my store purchases, my school records, my web browsing history, and anything else determined as a ‘tangible thing’ necessary to engage in a secret investigation of me.

    “I agree that I do not need to be notified if my records have come under scrutiny by the FBI, and, furthermore, I agree that no warrant is needed for the FBI to engage in this examination of my personal records. Additionally, I agree that the FBI should be allowed to monitor any groups it believes may be linked to what it determines to be terrorist activity.

    “2. I believe that the President of the United States has the power to mitigate or set aside any and all laws passed by the Congress and that he has such power granted to him by his status as Commander-in-Chief in the Constitution as well as the 2001 Authorization of Military Force, passed by the Congress, which states that the President can use ‘all necessary and appropriate force’ in prosecution of the war. Therefore, I grant the United States government the following powers:

    “a. that the National Security Agency, under the direction of the President, may tap my phone lines and intercept my e-mail without warrant or FISA oversight;

    “b. that the President may hold me or other detainees without access to the legal system for a period of time determined by the President or his agents;

    “c. that the President may authorize physical force against me or other individual detainees in order to gain intelligence and that he may define whether such physical force may be called ‘torture':

    “d. that the President may set aside any and all laws he sees as hindering the gathering of intelligence and prevention of terrorist acts for a period as time determined by the President, including, but not limited to, rights to political protest.

    “I agree that the Judicial and Legislative branches should be allowed no oversight of these activities, and that such oversight merely emboldens the terrorists. I also agree that virtually all of these activities may be conducted in complete secrecy and that revelation of these activities amounts to treasonous behavior on the part of those who reveal these activities to the press and the citizenry.

    “3. Finally, this document is my statement that I believe the President of the United States and the entire executive branch, as well as all departments and agencies involved, as well as all of their personnel, will treat these powers I have granted them with utmost respect. I believe that these powers will not be abused, nor will any of the information I have given them permission to examine be misinterpreted. However, should such abuse or misinterpretation occur, I agree that such actions are mere errors and no one should be subject to investigation, arrest, or employment action as a result.

    “My consent freely given,
    “(Your signature)”

  7. 13

    Commander Ogg spews:

    Sorry I could not answer earlier MTR, I was attending services at the local Chabad. With regard to a written test prior to voting, I recall a joke told to me by a Black Gentlemen who had come to voting age during the 50’s and 60’s before the voting rights act of 1965.

    A Colored man attempted to register to vote in Alabama. He was given the standard question�s for the Literacy Test ( )”List the names of all members of the Cabinet for the first elected administration of Alabama�. The applicant answered correctly. �Tell me the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 10th Paragraphs of the US Constitution�. The applicant rattled them all off. �Give me the names of the Vice President of the United States starting with the Administration of George Washington�. The applicant gave him all the names.

    Finally, unable to trick him, the registrar asked him �Well can you read and write�? The applicant said yes he could. So the registrar told him to write his name and then gave him a newspaper in Chinese to read. The applicant said that he could read the newspaper. The registrar looked at him, astonished, and said �you can read that�? The applicant told him that while the text of the paper was not clear, he could easily read the headline. �Well what does it say?� said the registrar. The applicant replied�It says that this is one n*gger that will not be voting in the State of Alabama�.

    Jokes aside, it should be noted that Ronnie Rayguns vetoed the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987 (Congress overrode his veto) and after two years of veto threats, George the Senior reluctantly signed the Civil Rights Act of 1991 So far the current Administrations record on Civil Rights speaks for itself:
    NY Times

  8. 14

    Tom Johnson spews:

    Maria has ceated a base so strong that she could beat Dan Evans.

    Every conservation / enviro / greenie group will go the the limit for her.

    That means 50 million from national and local and more volunteers that you can imagine.

    A few years back the conservation folks put an ititiantive on the ballot, the subjct eludes me. But they did in in 6 weks with no paid signature gathers. Awsome force in Washington State – east and west.

    Volia the grass roots – Go Maria.

  9. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    The GOP has become what the old-time Democrats (to their shame) once were: The party of racism and discrimination.

  10. 16

    Voter Advocate spews:

    12, 14

    Remarks on his impeachment, Bill Clinton at Hofstra University, November 10, 2005

    Let me remind you, this had nothing to do with my misconduct, this was about whether I lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice. I could not have obstructed justice without lying to the grand jury, because that was what the grand jury testimony was about. There’s one person coming here who voted for obstruction of justice, and against perjury, you ought to ask him how he did that, since the whole testimony was about obstruction of justice. We proved that the person from the House who represented that case on the floor of the Senate, Mr. Hutchison, did not tell the truth about the chronology, proved it.

    It’s still bad, and my reputation should suffer. If you want to hold it against me that I did something wrong, that’s a fair deal. That has nothing to do with the impeachment. Then, if you do that, you then have a whole lot of other questions – how many other presidents do you have to downgrade? What are you going to do with all those Republican congressman who had problems? What about other issues? Does that count more than the Nixon enemies list? Or a man I very much liked personally, President Reagan.

    I’m a Southerner, it was hard for me to get over the fact that he decided to announce for re-election in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where Goodman, Cheney and Schwerner were murdered, and tell everybody, with a wink and a nod, we were going to go back to state’s rights. Everybody knew what that deal was about. I still like President Reagan, I admire a lot about him, but you never hear anybody mention that. But I’m a white Southerner, I grew up in that time and it hurt me bad. I’m not quite over it yet.

    If anyone wants to stand up and condemn me for what I did, and say I should be written down in history that’s fair. That’s your judgment, but then you have to deal with all these other problems. But, to give Newt Gingrich what he believed we would all do, which is to stop thinking, and to legitimize an egregious abuse of power and the Constitution by saying the fact that it happened is a mark, whether it was justified or not – I think that’s not good for America.

  11. 17

    LeftTurn spews:

    Looks like the GOP will have lots of vacancies. DeLay’s been further tied to illegal activity this weekend and his best buddy Jack is going to flip on him and all the other GOP traitors!!!

    The culture of corruption must be crushed!

  12. 18

    Puddybud spews:

    Belltowner, the Pee-Eye is retarded? Golly where were you when they were writing stupid things earlier this year? Two days before the year end and you finally view the Pee-Eye correctly?We on the right know the Pee-Eye is retarded! Their editorial board is whack!

  13. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    Come on Cmdr Ogg: That Reagan link was pretty tricky, but you are not being honest here. Why did he veto the act?

    President Reagan vetoed the Civil Rights Restoration Act, passed by Congress to overturn the 1984 Supreme Court ruling, Grove City College v. Bell (the court makeup is delineated below on this decision). The act sharply limited the remedies available to the federal government in applying anti-bias rules to private organizations receiving federal subsidies. Yeah a democratic congress limits federal remedies for anti-bias!!! This legislation expanded the reach of non-discrimination laws within private institutions receiving federal funds by extending the law to entire institutions, making them subject to loss of federal funds if they were found to discriminate on the basis of race, sex, age, or physical handicap in any of their programs, not just those receiving federal funds.

    Why didn’t you also discuss this one that he signed?

    The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is extended and strengthened by Congress, barring laws that dilute the voting power of minorities, whether or not that is the law’s intention. The amendment overturns a Supreme case, Bolden v. City of Mobile (Ala.), that required proof of intentional discrimination against minority voters in order to establish a violation of the Voting Rights Act. – Ogg? This didn’t make your argument hold water?

    Why didn’t you also discuss this one from the Supreme Court?

    The 1983 Supreme Court rules that states do have the right to outlaw homosexual acts between consenting adults.

    Who were the members of the court in 1983?

    Chief Justice Warren Burger, Justice John Paul Stevens, Justice William Brennan, Justice Byron White, Justice Sandra O’Connor, Justice Harry Blackmun, Justice Thurgood Marshall, Justice Lewis Powell, and Justice William Rehnquist. These people decided the 1984 Grove City College v. Bell case above.

    Golly, no Scalia or Clarence Thomas on that decision huh?

    Why not discuss the need for busing to integrate Boston schools in 1971 through the mid 1990s with the Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education decision by the Supreme Court? You mean busing was needed to integrate a blue city in a blue state because them blue city democrat leaders wanted to keep poor inner city kids in run down schools?

    You see Ogg, you need to have lived on the other side of the tracks before you can start the stone throwing. Me being a child of the 50s and 60s keep track of my people’s struggles.

  14. 20

    For the Clueless spews:

    Ahhh. Another year of talking points parroted and filtered through reputable organs of the wingnut noise machine like NewsWhacks and WingNutDaily. 2006 will indeed be interesting.

  15. 21

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Any predictions for 2006?

    GOP will keep Senate (barely) Cantwell will win comfortably.

    One Term Reichert will lose.

    Legislature and Governor will again have to justify their actions to The People via an initiative to overturn something stoopid they did.

    Circulation of PI and Times will continue to decline. PI will edge toward extinction and probably make it.

    Decision will be made to replace AWV with tunnel. (It will take 20 years and $30B to do it)

    Legislature will tell Sonics and NASCAR to go pound sand.

    Seahawks will win superbowl.

  16. 22

    marks spews:


    I agree with the Seahawks prediction and Cantwell. The rest is beyond the range of my capabilities as seer.

  17. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Gee Mark, I’m having a hard time disagreeing with you for once, although you left out one:

    Mark the Redneck will continue to be a male chauvinist pig, and will continue complaining about getting screwed over by the court system.

  18. 24

    Voter Advocate spews:

    Legislature and Governor will again have to justify their actions to The People via an initiative to overturn something stoopid they did.

    In other words, you assholes will continue to waste taxpayer resources and time on your anti-citizen, anti-government, anti-social agenda.

  19. 25

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Ad – We speak for the people who pay the fucking bills. If they take our money without our permission we will fight back.

  20. 26

    Voter Advocate spews:

    My ass, you whine for people too stupid or selfish to understand that government services don’t come for free.

    You don’t care about the people who pay the bills, those making $50-75K per year. You kiss the ass of the greediest group of fuckers ever, like: Dennis Kozlowski, the scum who ripped Tyco for $463M. He of the $6,000 shower curtain and $16,000 umbrella stand.

    Don’t call yourselves libertarians or tax hawks (protecting the masses from government “waste”), you’re all cheap skates. The only sacred cow in the spending area for you nuts is the Defense Department, result: $10M Bat Mitzvah.

    Locally, has it escaped your attention that this blog is named after an anti-Eyman initiative?

  21. 27

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Ad – You illustrate one of the most bizarre aspects of being a librul…. why do you have such intense hatred for people who are wealthy? I truly don’t get it. What did they ever do to you?

    Please explain..

  22. 28

    marks spews:


    Happy New Year!


    (That was the first bottle, I’ll open another at midnight if I’m still standing)

  23. 29

    Dr. E spews:

    “You illustrate one of the most bizarre aspects of being a librul…. why do you have such intense hatred for people who are wealthy?”

    Be careful with such generalizations. There are a lot of extremely wealthy people who are also liberals. Do they then hate themselves, or could such perceived hatred actually have to do with something other than wealth?

  24. 30

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Two of my favs from last few days courtesy Rakeface and partner:

    …it’s just that the reality is vaginas make us men .
    Comment by GBS— 12/29/05 @ 5:44 pm

    …vaginas do indeed make us men.
    Comment by Donnageddon— 12/29/05 @ 5:55 pm

  25. 31

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    E – OK. Explain the dimensions of librul hate. I’m just here to understand the pathology of the disease of librulism. Educate me.

  26. 32

    Voter Advocate spews:


    Bill Gates is a peach. No doubt he plays the capitalism game to the Nth degree, but he has, through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation made a bigger impact on childhood diseases world-wide than the U. S. Government.

    David Packard, when alive, was also a capitalist with a vengance, yet the David and Lucille Packard Foundation still donates millions each year to worthy endeavors.

    The Gates’ and Packard’s are also much against the Bush tax cuts, too.

  27. 33

    Dr. E spews:

    “E – OK. Explain the dimensions of librul hate. I’m just here to understand the pathology of the disease of librulism. Educate me.”

    Hate is an emotion that knows no political boundaries. How’s that?

  28. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    Here’s laying down the daggers for a moment and wishing all of you unpatriotic, America-hating, fascist scumbags a happy and prosperous New Year – and I HOPE YOU GET LAID!!!! (Maybe you wouldn’t be so fucking insufferable if you didn’t have testosterone backed up to the tops of your eyeballs.)

    I hope your armadillo gets laid, too!!!! Hmmm … I have an idea of how you could kill two birds with one stone …

  29. 35

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger Rabbit, thanks for the wonderful sentiment. But we are patriotic and we love America. As one of the adults here, I read what you say. Our side does not protest in public saying negative things about our country. Don’t worry about me getting laid, but thanks for caring.

    Maybe I’ll send my armadillo over to yours and have mine demonstrate some new tricks! Librul armadillos only learn to hate from their masters!

  30. 36

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Hey Puddy – Didja y’all say coupla days ago you was down in Mississippi? Them fellas down there know rednecks fer sure. You from that area?

  31. 37

    Puddybud spews:

    MTR, no I am not from the area. The family and I were doing a missionary trip to help the victims. Yes there were Rednecks there. Any relatives?