Open Thread 11/16

- The religious right hucksters versus the true believers.

– Sorry Rainier Valley residents, 98178 is the 7th most diverse zip code.

– Getting Iraq wrong helped right winger’s careers. So I don’t see any reason why getting the election wrong would hurt them either.

– What the fuck Representative Scott DesJarlais? (h/t)

– Supporting Walmart workers on Black Friday by not shopping there then seems reasonable enough.

Her name was Savita Halappanavar.

Mayor Mike McGinn is opening Seattle City Hall’s gorgeous lobby to all couples who want to marry on December 9. Judges have volunteered to perform weddings for free and the Stranger is working with Jennifer Zeyl and Alicia Berger and other local scenic artists to create four tasteful pop-up wedding chapels in the lobby of City Hall.

How to draw Doug may be my favorite Super Fun Pak Comix ever.

Comments

  1. 1

    spews:

    Ho Ho – No.

    Teamsters blame the bakers’ union for the Hostess debacle:

    BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.

    On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

    http://www.teamster.org/conten.....te-hostess

    Stupidity should be painful. It’s unfortunate that the Teamsters’ union members will feel some of it due to the stupidity of their bakery brethren.

  2. 2

    Tea for everyone spews:

    Two months of stock market collapsing, and every day we hear of more loss, more layoofs and plant closings (Hostess, 18000 union workers) and the Fiscal Cliff keeps on wiping out American incomes. Gotta love this administration!

  3. 5

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Of course you blame unions.

    Of course, Hostess management had already claimed that the strike would be responsible for the closings of specific plants—when it had already planned to close plants even if the workers accepted the cuts and stayed at work. BCTGM President Frank Hurt says the workers understood who they were dealing with:

    Our members know that the plans all along of the Wall Street investors currently in control of this company did not include the operation of Hostess Brands any longer than it takes to sell the company in whole—or in part—in a way that will maximize the profits of these vulture capitalists regardless of the impact on the workforce.

    Workers were being asked to accept cuts, but top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy. Investments in the company’s future that had been promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy were never made. And as for the management, put in place by the private equity companies that now own Hostess, Hurt says:

    Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, “restructuring experts”, third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a “liquidation specialist”. Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.

    This is a Mitt Romney-style deal. Throughout the campaign, we read about Romney’s past deals that went very much like what’s happening to Hostess. Now we’re watching it in real time—and seeing how when workers fight back, they’re targeted for blame.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....liquidates

    Conservatives, are you FOR anything that helps workers? Anything at all?

  4. 6

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    The most recent example of the moral and economic bankruptcy of this approach was offered by Caterpillar – the leading world class producer of mining and construction equipment based in Illinois which simultaneously cuts workers’ pay and benefits, complains about taxes and moves to the South, and then bitches that the United States is not producing sufficiently trained and motivated workers.

    Go figure. This is the America that conservatives apparently want. And they wonder why they lost the election.

  5. 7

    spews:

    @ 4

    This is a Mitt Romney-style deal.

    Er, no, it isn’t.

    Bain deals didn’t typically give seats on the board and 25% equity stakes in the company to unions in exchange for concessions. That’s what Hostess offered in exchange for the concessions it needed to stay in business.

    United Airlines employees took equity in exchange for concessions. UAW has done it. Those weren’t Bain-style deals, either.

    The company was in trouble – its revenues had fallen 50% since 2002. It needed help from its unions to stay afloat – Teamsters agreed, the bakers didn’t.

    Although it may be for the best – does one really want people as stupid as the bakery union leadership holding seats on the corporate board?

  6. 8

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Re Hostess:

    Clearly the ownership of the company is in a better financial position in the negotiations. Being in a worse position is not a reason to roll-over.

    I feel badly for the Hostess workers because I have not eaten the crap that company produces since I was a child, and would not, in any circumstances allow my children to eat it. It’s crap.

  7. 9

    spews:

    @ 8

    I have not eaten the crap that company produces since I was a child, and would not, in any circumstances allow my children to eat it. It’s crap.

    Agreed, with one exception: When I was racing criteriums, about 2 hours before a race I would down a Hostess fruit pie for the sugar rush. Worked really well.

    Of course, then Western Family started making them, at about 2/3 the cost, and those worked equally well.

  8. 10

    Puddybud spews:

    Earlier yesterday Puddy asked if the private equity firm that the judge placed Hostess into back in January was the blame. No one could rightfully answer… just throw out their steady stream of useless class warfare epithets. Puddy identified the private equity firm waiting for someone to step up to the plate. Well, they had to get their marching orders from left wrong web sites and they failed miserably! Now we see the crazy mind of the Fascist one whipped into a frenzy drinking his Daily Kook-aid.

    Nothing new here; just some crazed rantings of a well known HA lunatic. Move along.

  9. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    MikeBoyScout… I have a 4 year old Twinkie in the pantry. Aging nicely at 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Why? To demonstrate to my sons the exact same thing. It’s crap!

  10. 12

    don spews:

    @6

    25% of a turd is still a turd.

    does one really want people as stupid as the bakery union leadership holding seats on the corporate board?

    6 different CEOs in 8 years and not one had experience in the food industry? Who are the stupid ones here?

  11. 13

    Puddybud spews:

    On another front… the slobbering heads up de Oblamer ASS media’s love of Hamas proves “The Jews” owning the media as some HA libtards claim is farcical! ABC and CNN are mis-characterizing the Israel defensive response to Hamas, Hizbollah and Syrian rocket attacks into Israel. If “The Jews” owned the media, would those Hamas loving reports be on display?

    Typical leftist media! Typical HA leftist response!

  12. 14

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Bob, you be sure and send those fine people at Hostess a thank-you note for the contribution they’ve made to your gout.

  13. 16

    spews:

    @ 11

    6 different CEOs in 8 years and not one had experience in the food industry? Who are the stupid ones here?

    Remind me again how much auto industry experience Obama’s car czar had prior to being tapped for that job?

  14. 17

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @15 Kap’n Kornflake,

    Steve Rattner was never CEO of GM nor Chrysler.

    Steve Rattner’s experience was in finance and the task he was to perform for the Treasury was to develop a plan to save both the two manufacturers and related suppliers and finance companies; which he did, buy the way.

    The only comparison of Steve Rattner to the failed CEOs of Hostess is that Rattner had the good sense to demand the resignation of GM’s CEO, Wagonner.

  15. 18

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Do Conservative Pundits Ever Have To Be Right?

    Obviously not. There’s always been a very good line of business telling (stoopid) people what they want to hear. Unfortunately that market dries up after a time. I believe some scientist called it evolution.

  16. 19

    Czechsaaz spews:

    Amazing that so many CEO types are so stupid. John Schnatter is waging a losing PR battle (“I, I, I am going to be FORCED to charge you $0.14 per pizza. It’s just evil and socialist!)

    And hey, what happened to the idea, floated every time there’s a minimum wage hike suggested, that passing on those costs to consumers will cause such a devastating drop in customers that you’ll be forced out of business? Doesn’t apply here or did you always know you were lying?

    So when the collective public shoulder shrug of, “Hmmm, so I might pay $10.27 for two medium two topping pizzas instead of $9.99 while you keep your 18-hole private golf course watered? O.K. But you’re kind of an asshole.” comes right back at him Schnatter goes with, “I’ll cut everyone’s hours and keep them under 28.”

    No you won’t. To do that, every full time employee would need to be replaced with 1.3 part-time workers. Just from that alone training costs go up. Then you have retention problems and the associated training costs. Your uniform costs go up. You will have fewer employees maxing out their disability Social Security deduction so you’ll be matching even more disability payments on those extra workers. Your payroll and HR department budgets just went up to deal with the increased staff. Your workers comp insurance is tied to the number of employees you have so that went up.

    Shall I go on?

    And call it class warfare but that overhead shot of “Papa’s” mansion while you whine about how devastating “Obamacare” is to America is just pathetic. Deep down you know it but you don’t mind being an asshole on public display, right?

  17. 20

    Puddybud spews:

    Schnatter is losing the PR war? Only to you libtards. Conservatives are ordering Papa Johns like crazy. Better Pizza and Better Ingredients. Kind of reminds Puddy over the Chick-Fil_A brouhaha that you libtards dreamed up earlier this year.

    BTW did any libtard help Schnatter build his mansion? Did Schlatter build his mansion with after tax money? Was it his hard work, his ingenuity, and his sales prowess that made him successful?

    Puddy remembers when someone showed Baba Streisand’s mansion and how she birthed a cow over it.

  18. 22

    spews:

    A right winger in an unusual moment of clarity:

    The simple fact is that in the run-up to this election, we were fed a steady diet of lies, from all our “loyal” sources. We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press – Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....-kael.html

    Right wing FOOLS – “fleeced”, “exploited” and “lied to” by the right wing BULLSHIT complex!

  19. 23

    Gman spews:

    Benghazi – does anyone really care? Who cares if a decision was made to provide no security after alarm of a possible attack. Ok, wrong decision. So what? New findings that the GWB administartion new more about the 9/11 attacks before the attacks – where is this investigation? GWB sent men and women to war with inadequate protection – where is this investigation? GWB sent men and women to war on lousy intelligence – where is this investigation? War is war – so the bad guys of Benghazi won this time, until they are found and justice prevails. Who cares? Only Republican scum that are trying to make an issue of it. McCain didn’t even attend the briefing, only 3 of 9 Republican Senators attended the breifings – I thought they wanted to get to the bottom of this. Political posturing and nothing more over the lives of 4 dead Americans.

  20. 24

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    I am glad I am not in that double bind, a job that did not pay enough to support oneself, or no job at all. Neither are desirable options.
    If a company cannot pay living wages, should it be in business in the first place?

  21. 25

    Czechsaaz spews:

    @19

    Puddy doesn’t understand what a PR war is. Conservatives may be lapping up crappy pizzas right now but they’ll move on. Everyone who earns wages for a living is watching an asshole. (See Marie Antoinette.) So when in 2016 Schnatter is hosting fundraisers for Marco Rubio that’s a minus not a plus. It will be simple math. There are more non-conservatives, non-owners out there in the world or did you not notice the last election? Every time Shnatter goes on the air, he picks up a handful of conservative customers and loses a couple thousand ordinary Americans. It’s math Piddles. When “Papa” makes these claims about how his business is going to go in the crapper due to Obamacare, everyone except his elitist class brethren is well aware that he’s full of shit.

    The big complaint right now is that Obama “fooled” America by offering them stuff. How’s this going to sound. “Now that the economy has turned around, Governor Chrisite wants your vote so Papa John can have an extra golf cart free of charge. But we think it would be better if you can afford to see a doctor. Golf Cart or Doctor, it’s your choice.”

    Piddles seems to be missing the entire point. If Miss Streisand spent all her time claiming that her taxes are crushing her earning power then maybe you’d have a point. As usual, no. Right, “Obamacare, is going to be devastating to my finances so I’m going to screw my employees to cover the cost. No watch this drive on my private course.” Yeah, that’s a winning argument for conservatives. T.D.F.

  22. 26

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow,

    Petraeus tells the Intell Committees today that the CIA told Oblamer’s sadministration that this was a terrorist attack from the beginning and someone took that out of the “official narrative” when Oblamer went to the whitey house lawn and then told everyone it was a video.

    Typical so typical. DUMMOCRAPTS lie and lie and lie and gleeeeeeeeman has no clue about what happens except his jaunts to the Cape.

  23. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    Of course the congressional libtard response was of course the talking points had to be changed when they went from classified to unclassified. Yep, take out the truth!

  24. 28

    Gman spews:

    why did Isreal wait until after the election to kill Hamas leader – I smell another fucking conspiracy.

  25. 29

    Puddybud spews:

    Oh no… Did CNN use faked Palestinian injury footage? Seems so. What will Anderson Cooper do now?

    CNN – Clueless News Network… like ylbuttspigot AKA Clueless!

  26. 33

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Free Markets!

    Denny’s franchisee backs off ‘Obamacare’ threat


    The Florida-based owner of a string of Denny’s restaurants on Friday backed off a threat to add a surcharge to customer tabs to cover the cost of so-called Obamacare, ABC News reports. John Metz, who controls around 40 Denny’s and multiple Dairy Queens, had said Thursday he would add the surcharge and also cut back employee hours to make them ineligible for insurance under the new rules. But his representatives told the network that while he still plans to cut back hours, the 5% surcharge was only speculative and he never really intended to impose it. For its part, Denny’s corporate office was quick to distance itself from Metz, noting that “while we respect the decision of an independent business owner to speak out on this topic, these statements do not capture the respect by Denny’s, the Denny’s Franchisee Association or our franchise community at large for our hardworking employees or for our valued customers.”

    You know who eats at franchise restaurant chains? The people who most need and support ObamaCare.

    F*cking overpaid ‘job creators!’ are as stupid as their losing candidate, Slick Willard.

  27. 35

    spews:

    when Oblamer went to the whitey house lawn and then told everyone it was a video.

    LIAR!!!!

    Point to where he said this:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-.....taff-libya

    But he did say this:

    But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts…

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    @25 we see the LIES of AN INSANE FOOL! “fleeced”, “exploited” and “lied to” by the right wing BULLSHIT complex!

  28. 36

    spews:

    Do all of these revenge firings even come close to the 700,000 jobs per month that we were losing in the latter part of the Bush administration due to the long term effects of Republican policies?

    Not even.

    This is a PR war that is not going to rebound well on the big business perpetrators of this little piece of marketing psychodrama.

  29. 37

    spews:

    Maybe all of the extra Twinkies™ can be repurposed as packaging filler for nuclear waste. The container may eventually degrade, but the Twinkies™, with their chemically dense spongecake outer covering and soft faux-cream filling, will last for eternity.

  30. 38

    ArtFart spews:

    @5 “Caterpillar – the leading world class producer of mining and construction equipment”

    …and armored bulldozers used by the Israeli army to crush Palestinian houses and any poor souls who might happen to be in the way.

  31. 40

    spews:

    It’s been almost four years since I’ve had to listen to the President of the United States say ‘nukular’ for the rest of the world to hear and ponder upon the intelligence of the speaker.

    We can afford to let big business crap its diapers and cry like a colicky infant. May they rot in hell for eternity and a day, for, in fact, the rich man does not ask for forgiveness, but rather for pity.

  32. 41

    Puddybud spews:

    CBS News ya moron buttspigot… When directly asked if it was a terror attack what did Oblamer say buttspigot…? Direct from 60 minutes November 5th… left on the cutting room floor the first time…

    KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya Attack, do you believe that this was a terrorism attack?

    OBAMA: Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other.

    KROFT: It’s been described as a mob action, but there are reports that they were very heavily armed with grenades, that doesn’t sound like your normal demonstration.

    OBAMA: As I said, we’re still investigating exactly what happened, I don’t want to jump the gun on this. But your right that this is not a situation that was exactly the same as what happened in Egypt. And my suspicion is there are folks involved in this. Who were looking to target Americans from the start. So we’re gonna make sure that our first priority is to get our folks out safe, make sure our embassies are secured around the world and then we are going to go after those folks who carried this out.

    So who’s lying again ylbuttspigot?

    Such a useless piece of HorsesASS! A stalking fiend! He never said TERRORIST ATTACK!

    Sucks to be you!

  33. 43

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @35 Hec Ramsey,
    Right on.
    Same thing regarding the sell off in the market.
    The babies are having their tantrum.

    The most humorous aspect is that these Galtian ‘job creators!’ are only hurting themselves. What will it take for you or most of the people you know to eat at a Папа Джонс, Denny’s or give business to any of these other job killing cry babies?

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  34. 44

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @40 Uncle Puddles,

    And what would have happened differently if the President had said “TERRORIST ATTACK!”?

    Seriously. WTF?
    Would it have brought back the 4 lives lost by the act of terror?

    Just WTF is yours and the WINGNUTS obsession with ex post facto semantics?

  35. 45

    spews:

    re 43: They are trying to establish a false equivalency between Dubya’s ignoring of the warnings about bin Laden’s plans and the killing of the 4 Americans in Libya.

    If they are successful in pushing their ‘investigation’ forward, the nly logical consequence is to open up a similar investigation into 9/11.

  36. 47

    Tea for everyone spews:

    The Unions always kill their HOSTess

    It will only end when the Unions grow up and realize they are taking the companies and nation down.

  37. 48

    spews:

    The good news for Dubya about a 9/11 investigation would be that he could continue to pursue his favorite sport even while in prison — except on a stationary bike.

    “Aerosol!!!” … not

  38. 49

    ArtFart spews:

    As to the first article cited…it just might be that an increasing number of onetime “true believers” have simply said fuckit and moved on. They might have tired of hearing one lame-ass excuse after another for why the Rapture didn’t happen last week. They may have been disgusted with their huckster/leaders blowing smoke about “morality while genuflecting to images of dead presidents and putting their dicks in all sorts of odd places. Maybe some of ‘em got a little pissed about their daughters being called “sluts”. Or all of the above.

  39. 50

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @44 Hec Ramsey,

    I think the right is just desperate for some public grabbing scandal, and having been provided none by a well run and clean Obama administration they are left with manufacturing one. And like most Republican attempts to manufacture anything it fails spectacularly.

    I don’t expect to hear an answer from Uncle Puddles, but it’d be entertaining to hear his opinion about what would have happened differently had Obama or any member of his administration give his preferred incantation magic spell.

  40. 51

    spews:

    Direct from 60 minutes November 5th…

    LOL!!! I quote remarks from THE DAY AFTER the attack and what does Obama say?

    “ACTS OF TERROR”

    There’s no blaming a video! There’s no blaming a video in that NOV 5 stuff! YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!

    YOU ARE A FOOL! Swallowing the BULLSHIT narratives of the right wing BULLSHIT complex!

    Heh. It really rankles that the “community organizer” still has his job..

    It really rankles that the “community organizer” will give ANOTHER inauguration speech in Jan.

    It really rankles that the “community organizer” will have the same job for 4 WHOLE YEARS after that!

    What will “ha trolls” do?

    They will CONTINUE to be “fleeced”, “exploited” and “lied to” by the right wing BULLSHIT complex! As they have for MANY, MANY YEARS before the existence of this website and will for MANY, MANY YEARS after the server goes cold.

    Do the same old, some old expecting different results.. It’s what insane people do.

  41. 52

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    But his representatives told the network that while he still plans to cut back hours, the 5% surcharge was only speculative and he never really intended to impose it.

    Yup. Screw the workers.

  42. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    And what would have happened differently if the President had said “TERRORIST ATTACK!”?

    A lot would have changed.

    Still waiting for Oblamer to show the official directive he claimed to create. Don’t hold your breath though!

  43. 54

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    How come…
    When Zimmerman shoots an unarmed black kid, the conservatives say we need to wait till all the facts come in, don’t rush to judgement. After all, it’s probably the black kid’s fault.
    When Benghazi happens, all the conservative rush to judgement and say, we don’t need facts, it’s the black president’s fault.
    I see a theme.
    P.S Puddy, never walk after dark in Florida or be President. It’s just safer for you that way. Serial “Cheep Shot” Conservative will turn on you in heartbeat.

  44. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    Seriously. WTF?
    Would it have brought back the 4 lives lost by the act of terror?

    Well MBS, the lives are lost. But why did Oblamer’s sadministration remove the consulate’s protection contigent a few weeks before? They may have helped. Remember the Lt Col’s testimony? Oh you forgot that?

    Why the coverup for so long? Don’t worry don’t expect you to answer that FlubScout!

  45. 56

    Puddybud spews:

    When Benghazi happens, all the conservative rush to judgement and say, we don’t need facts, it’s the black president’s fault.

    Ahhh the Fascist fool strikes again. Because the British Press the next day told the world it was a terrorist attack. Puddy provided the links. The Libyan government said it was a terrorist attack the next day. Puddy provided the links.

    Then the time lines appeared. They all contradicted Oblamer’s “official line” of it was a video tape!

    buttspigot is ignored for continual lunacy!

    Stoooooooooooopid!

  46. 57

    Puddybud spews:

    Puddy, never walk after dark in Florida

    Puddy walks in the dark all the time in Florida. Puddy has relatives in gated Florida communities. Puddy drives in the dark too. You should be afraid!

  47. 58

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @51 Uncle Puddles,

    Question: And what would have happened differently if the President had said “TERRORIST ATTACK!”?

    Uncle Puddles’ Answer: A lot would have changed.

    Is that your final answer? “A lot”?

    P A T H E T I C

    4 year olds can come up with better answers.

  48. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Rep. DesJarlais …

    Since when is it news for a GOP “pro-life and family values” politician to be outed as a lying, cheating, secret-abortion-arranging hypocrite?

    Aren’t they all?

  49. 60

    Puddybud spews:

    You know FlubScout @56…

    Puddy already laid out in previous threads what would have changed. There is a terrorist act law Oblamer could have invoked. There were military actions Oblamer could have called for. Puddy laid these out in previous threads and you forgot them!

    And you have the audacity to call my response childish when you act as a pouting child and forget facts every day on this blog?

    Where is the official directive Oblamer claimed he put out with his three talking points? Why hasn’t Oblamer sat down with the families and told them the truth?

    Cry Puddy a river moron FlubScout. Puddy doesn’t replay links just because you think you ask nicely. Ask the buttspigot for the links. He answered you before, he’ll answer you again from his crazed databaze!

    Nuff yo crap!

  50. 61

    Gman spews:

    @40 sounds to me as if the President was saying that it was terrorism….not sure what your stupid point is. You are too dumb to read into what he is saying. If anything those quotes or back up the President. So he doesn’t use the word terrorism, big deal, you have to understand when your government downplays something, like GWB did with 9/11.

  51. 63

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @58 Uncle Puddles,

    You already “laid out in previous threads what would have changed.”? BULLSHIT. Show me.

    The president could have invoked a “terrorist act law”? How does that work? If and only if the president screams “TERRORIST ATTACK!” can the (alleged) law be invoked?

    “There were military actions Oblamer could have called for” Are there?
    Tell us Uncle Puddles, how long after the report that the Consulate(/CIA outpost) was under attack was it before US military action was called in?

    I’m asking you for answers Uncle Puddles.
    Not that I expect to be able to provide any, but to show you and the world that you are chewing on yet another nothingburger, like Solyndra, like Fast & Furious and, of course, like Mittmentum.

  52. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    N word

    Republican friends in Massachusetts? 11% of the population claims to be Republican in Massachusetts. So the N word must be NUTZ to describe you!

  53. 65

    Puddybud spews:

    You already “laid out in previous threads what would have changed.”? BULLSHIT. Show me.

    SCREW YOU. It’s in da crazed databaze. Aks ylbuttspigot. I dare ya! Puddy don’t work for FlubScout! Puddy don’t jump for FlubScout.

    Remember when Steve asked Puddy for proof from a previous conversation? No? You forgot that too! Puddy provided much proof. Right from the HA blog. And it was in the crazed databaze. You aren’t Steve! So you LOSE sucka!

  54. 68

    spews:

    http://management.fortune.cnn....../#comments

    Hostess is bankrupt … again

    July 26, 2012: 5:00 AM ET

    Caught in a fight between labor and hedge funds, the baker may finally have reached its expiration date.

    By David A. Kaplan, contributor

    Here’s a great run-down of the Hostess management debacle from the well known commie-pinko rag…

    …Forbes.

    Of course anti-worker, anti-union anti-(fucking) AMERICAN assholes like Max and “Bob” and the puddypussypissypants will never lay ANY blame at the feet of the vulture capitalists who have sucked billions upon billions out of our economy.

    Tell me again why and how this Romney style/Mafia bust-out model is good for anybody except the assholes at the top.

    PS- “bob” you are just fucking full of shit…another one like max who owes practically everything to the infrastructure you grew up in, and are willing not only to pay NOTHING in return, but actively work to deny those who come after you the same opportunity you had.

    What a morally bankrupt piece of shit you are.

  55. 70

    Puddybud spews:

    vulture capitalists who have sucked billions upon billions out of our economy

    And rujax, the dumbest of the leftist mofos here forgets how many venture capitalists voted for Oblamer while sucking this country dry.

    Another of the really stooooooooooooooopid!

  56. 71

    spews:

    Oh…

    …and Petraeus appeared before the House Intelligence Committee (an oxymoron if I ever heard one…with Republiclowns in charge).

    Afterward Rep. Peter King (R-Asshole) declared that the General supported the President and Ambassador Rice. That any information that was left out of Ambassador Rice’s briefing was done administratively.

    So fuck you you puerile little toady. Go kiss up to your teabagger hero Allen West before his fifteen minutes are up forever.

    And let us bid a fond farewell to the POS Dan Lundgren as well. Next targets are the dumb fuck Darrell Issa and Dana Rohrabacher.

    Crow tastes like shit doesn’t it boys?

  57. 72

    spews:

    There were military actions Oblamer could have called for.

    This is hilarious! This IS A JOKE! After Obama helped liberate Libya from a crazy dictator he’s supposed to turn America’s guns willy nilly and wipe out a bunch of swarthy skinned folks for the barcalounged idiots who watch Faux News?

    Uhhh.. He’s been doing enough of that thank you very much with drone strikes in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and who knows where else. What was the purpose of the CIA outpost just 20 some minutes away from the Benghazi consulate stocked full of trained killers?

    Now its bomb, bomb, bomb and boots on the ground time to a country who was GRATEFUL for our intervention?

    To a country whose OIL we NEED?

    Throwing them INTO THE ARMS of Islamists?

    That was the MO of the empty-suit ha trolls voted for twice.

  58. 73

    spews:

    68. Puddybud spews:

    vulture capitalists who have sucked billions upon billions out of our economy

    And rujax, the dumbest of the leftist mofos here forgets how many venture capitalists voted for Oblamer while sucking this country dry.

    Another of the really stooooooooooooooopid!

    11/16/2012 at 1:45 pm

    The puddypussypissypants…the best example of a complete ignoramus the goddess ever created.

    Pure brilliance!!!

  59. 75

    spews:

    http://slog.thestranger.com/sl.....t-15305941

    Management, Not Unions, to Blame for Twinkie Baker’s Demise

    Posted by Goldy on Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    I imagine that at this very moment a Seattle Times editorial board member is angrily scribbling away on an anti-union screed blaming striking bakery workers for the collapse of Hostess Brands, and the loss of 18,500 Twinkie-making jobs. So I thought I’d give Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers (BCTGM) president Frank Hurt the opportunity to present the union’s position in his own words:

    From the “Blogfather”!!

  60. 76

    spews:

    http://www.thestand.org/2012/1.....t-hostess/

    Union: Blame failed management at Hostess

    UPDATE (Nov. 16) — Also at AFL-CIO Now — Trumka: Bain-style tactics by Hostess are ‘wrecking America’ — AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka:

    What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It’s wrecking America.

    Here’s the real story from maxeee’s favorite publication.

  61. 77

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    This comment pretty much sums up my feelings on the Twinkie management

    If you cannot afford to pay people a living wage to do a job, then either the job isn’t worth being done, or you have completely screwed up.

    Obviously, the world needs Twinkies, so the owners have completely screwed up.

  62. 78

    spews:

    http://americablog.com/2012/11.....omney.html

    Top farm subsidy areas overwhelmingly supported Romney

    11/16/2012 4:15pm by Chris in Paris

    Surprise!

    Just as the Romney class conveniently forgets that they are recipients of federal giveaways, many farmers also have a convenient memory. They just hate the 47% types of people who can’t get enough of those federal tax dollars but hey, it’s completely different when it’s them who are receiving the cash.

    It’s not just Red State Socialism that is popular, but Red County Socialism as well. And then there’s Corporate Socialism, CEO Socialism, Wall Street Socialism, Big Oil Socialism and well, you get the picture.


    Got YOUR hand out???

  63. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    Afterward Rep. Peter King (R-Asshole) declared that the General supported the President and Ambassador Rice. That any information that was left out of Ambassador Rice’s briefing was done administratively.

    Where’s da link rujax?

    Here’s the video saying something else rujax!

    Toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

    Fuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny

    Keep drinking da daily kook-aid

  64. 80

    Puddybud spews:

    They just hate the 47% types of people who can’t get enough of those federal tax dollars but hey, it’s completely different when it’s them who are receiving the cash.

    Romney never included farmers in his 47% you stooooooooooooooooopid moron! Romney been for farm subsidies! Looks like Oblamer wanted to cut farm subsidies!

    rujax = stooooooooooooooooopid!

  65. 81

    Michael spews:

    Well I went and did it. Michael will be rejoining the Legion Of Car Commuters. But, it’s just a temporary thing and if you’re going to commute by car, Gig Harbor to Bremerton three days a week (22 miles one way) is one of the better ones.

  66. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    @71,

    notice rujax never comes back with links just ad hominem attacks and innuendo?

    Puddy provided more than just George Soros in his links rujax. Remember that VC who was indicted for underaged sex rujax? No? Well you are one stupid mofo so Puddy has to give you a pass! Oblamer lover! As your dumb ASS brother ylbuttspigot for the links. He’ll give them to you. You is family!!!

    Family of stupidity that is!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  67. 84

    spews:

    81. Puddybud spews:

    @71,

    notice rujax never comes back with links just ad hominem attacks and innuendo?

    Puddy provided more than just George Soros in his links rujax. Remember that VC who was indicted for underaged sex rujax? No? Well you are one stupid mofo so Puddy has to give you a pass! Oblamer lover! As your dumb ASS brother ylbuttspigot for the links. He’ll give them to you. You is family!!!

    Family of stupidity that is!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    11/16/2012 at 2:23 pm

    Go

    Fucking

    Find

    It

    Yourself

    Or

    Is

    It

    Too

    Hard

    For

    The

    puddypussypissypants’

    Pea

    Brain

  68. 86

    rhp6033 spews:

    A friend of mine who drives trucks for a living has seen the bad side of management-buy-outs. It happened about 2006 or so, and his company (a moderatly profitable freight carrier) was absorbed by a smaller freight carrier which had big venture capital financing available – a minnow swallowing the trout.

    The first thing the new management said was they were going to impose wage cuts of up to 30%. That’s when it was pointed out to them that they were Teamsters, and they had a long-term contract in place, and they could re-negotiate at the end of the contract. The company whined for the next year or so about how it had to cut labor costs to be competative. The drivers shrugged – they were Teamsters, if this company went out of business, the freight would go to other companies, and they could get jobs there.

    Of course, when the financial crash hit at the end of 2008, the company “suspended” all payments into the pension fund, saying it had to do so to survive. Of course, the previous company under old management could have weathered the storm quite well, with modest expenses and debt. But the new company was incurred with huge debt burders incurred only to buy the old company.

    Now the company is trying to force out drivers by re-locating their terminals to distant locations, making them commute an hour each way per day in addition to driving all day long. The company argued that employees who don’t accept the transfers will be terminated and not entitled to unemployment compensation because it is barely within the milage limit (35 miles?) from the old terminal, but nobody’s been able to figure out how they calculate that. Besides, some drivers already drove 20-30 miles to get to the old terminal, now they might have to drive 55-65 miles each way.

  69. 88

    Puddybud spews:

    Once again rujax lost the argument. Puddy ain’t gonna replay the links you moron. Puddy gave link after link of leftist VC who suck America dry while jock strapping Oblamer!

    Such a sad sack of leftist rujax shit! How is the reservation treating ya?

  70. 89

    Ekim spews:

    Question: Why did the Turd Blossom melt down on the Fake News channel on election night?

    I admit to a lack of interest until today. Then I saw this.

    Anonymous Claims It Stopped Karl Rove From Hacking The Election By Hacking ORCA, We Think

    Oh cool, Anonymous (we think it is Anonymous?) says Karl Rove was gonna vote fraud all the Machines, and that’s why he was so flabbergasted and refused to believe it when Fox called Ohio for Bamz, but they stopped him from stealing all the Machines by jamming up ORCA, because it was not actually a GOTV system but a “steal the vote” system, but they stopped him, we are pretty sure that is what the following letter, which we guess is from Anonymous probably, says. Seems legit! But here is our question! If Anonymous hacked ORCA and caused it to explode miserably on Election Day, how could Anonymous ever prove that ORCA was actually a vote-thieving program? If they hacked in, couldn’t they have planted code to make it look like Rove was gonna fraud the election? (Not that we believe for a second that Rove wasn’t trying to fraud the election, we are just saying, it seems like “logic.”)

  71. 90

    Puddybud spews:

    Don’t worry rujax,

    Puddy not worried about you posting the Peter King link, since Puddy done smack yo side you head with facts!

  72. 91

    Puddybud spews:

    Just think 18,500 people hitting the unemployment line due to the Baker union not coordinating with the Teamsters union!

    Oopsie!

  73. 93

    Real American spews:

    This is great!

    Obama is still the President, and will still be four years from now, and Piddles is still a batshit crazy loser spinning wingnut nonsense for the amusement of well informed liberals.

    Dance for us Piddles, dance!

  74. 94

    spews:

    86. Puddybud spews:

    Once again rujax lost the argument.

    Not even CLOSE, fuckwad.

    Puddy ain’t gonna replay the links you moron.

    Links to Peter King? THAT’s what we were talking about, REMEMBER?

    Puddy gave link after link of leftist VC who suck America dry while jock strapping Oblamer!

    Who fucking gives a fuck? Those assholes didn’t vote for tha President this time. And so what if they do…it’s a free fucking country. It’s been documented that criminals generally vote Republican. There goes your arguement.

    Such a sad sack of leftist rujax shit! How is the reservation treating ya?

    11/16/2012 at 2:37 pm

    You know shithead…I and very encouraged right now. the goddess has smiled on us all. President Obama walloped the forces of intolerance, hate and evil. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren will sit on the Banking Committee, my daughter and brother can marry the partners of their choice in our great state, we’ve got momentum and lots more to do.

    Thanks for asking.

  75. 96

    Michael spews:

    @85
    OMGerd! A public-relations firm got a story in the press! That’s never happened before! Ever! Checkout TV local news, If it isn’t weather, sports, or a car crash, it’s probably a rip-and-read press release.

    I wonder how many pieces of news BP and Exxon got on there (and just about everywhere else in the press) over the same time period.

  76. 97

    Czechsaaz spews:

    @54

    Piddles is still pretending the 16 minute segment of Rachel Maddow on September 12 didn’t happen. “But, But, But, how come the British press knew? How come the American press covered it up? Yaaargh!”

    Riddle me this Piddles? The response included activities from a classified CIA annex involving assets that the public now know exist. But the right’s assumption is, “Well the President should have told the world exactly everything he knew the moment he knew it.” Never mind that acting in such a manner might have gotten those assets killed. I mean, classified information should ALWAYS be shared with the press, right? That’s what you think should have happened?

    Why do you hate our troops on the ground? Why do you wish CIA officers dead? Why do you hate our country?

  77. 98

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    I have a sort of confession to make.
    A friend just called me and let me know he got his “free stuff”.

    Apparently his health insurance provider failed to meet the ObamaCare 80/20 rule and he received a $1,600 reimbursement today.

    So, “FREE STUFF”, Yeah!

  78. 100

    Czechsaaz spews:

    @91

    And after Willard, and so many of his kind in the House, got their asses kicked running on the theory that, “You know, we’d actually be A-O-K and the economy would be humming if the Job Creators, who are seeing their lowest tax rates since the 30s were doing just a bit better,” Piddles is still peddling the same thinking.

    I mean, if the bakers union would just have bent over so the executives could have another raise it would have all been great.

    McCain tried to sell lower taxes on the ‘Job Creators’ in 2008. Willard tried it in 2012. Who’s next to peddle the thoroughly discredited economic theory that Piddles is one of the minority clinging to? That ever shrinking minority. That minority who are the only morons who haven’t noticed that trickle-down is and always has been a fraud. Good luck with that.

  79. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    Those assholes didn’t vote for tha President this time.

    Oh yes some did you again stooooooooooooopid idiot rujax!

  80. 102

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @94 Yeah, it sure looks like the commies won the PR war; that’s why the USSR is thriving and America went under.

  81. 103

    Puddybud spews:

    Links to Peter King? THAT’s what we were talking about, REMEMBER?

    Puddy placed a Peter King video link in this thread rujaxmoron! Did you forget it already. Well you are mindless, more than the standard 24 hour moonbat mindless memory malady expressed by others. That video link refutes your Daily Kooks regurgitated psychobabble. Petraeus stated it was a terrorist attack. Oblamer’s sadministration sanitized it.

    Sucka!

  82. 104

    Puddybud spews:

    Why do you hate our troops on the ground? Why do you wish CIA officers dead? Why do you hate our country?

    What checkmate? Oblamer removed the troops on the ground to protect the ambassador you moron! The ambassador is dead due to Oblamer incompetence you idiot.

    Nuff said about checkmate!

  83. 105

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Clearly our right-turd friends didn’t see or hear the Democratic train coming as they ambled serenely through the tunnel. Why? Because the lights and horns of the approaching locomotive were drowned out by the Wingnut Blather Machine. Consequently, the Republican fools actually believed Romney would win by a landslide.

    “Conservative hand-wringing in the wake of President Obama’s victory continues unabated, with both voters and strategists venting their frustration about the GOP’s loss, while condemning the conservative media for leading followers to believe a GOP victory was imminent. (A landslide!)”

    Here’s how it got out of hand:

    “Instead of being honest down the homestretch, conservative pundits on Fox News and at places like the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post fed Republicans a steady diet of falsehoods and Pollyannaish analysis that ran counter to the clear polling data about the state of the race.”

    Yes, the polls were absolutely clear about what would happen, but conservatives retreated into their bubble and refused to believe the polls — just as some of them refuse to believe Obama has a valid Hawaii birth certificate.

    A Republican governor who happens to be a rising GOP star is trying to deal with this by urging his fellow Republicans to “stop being the party of stupid” and “we’ve had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism.”

    Good luck with that. My prediction is there’s no cure for terminal idiocy; it simply leads to termination of the idiot’s existence. And that’s where the GOP is going and will continue to go.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2.....ght/191374

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Personally, I think we should relentlessly and ruthlessly make fun of all the rightwing jackasses who predicted a Romney “landslide” until they disappear. Because they need to just fucking disappear. Some cancers disappear only when the host body dies, and that’s what’ll happen in the Party of Stupid’s case, too.

  84. 107

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @102 “Oblamer removed the troops on the ground to protect the ambassador you moron! The ambassador is dead due to Oblamer incompetence you idiot.”

    Bullshit.

  85. 108

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Uncle Puddles,

    I’m certain you will not give up on “Benghazi!” any time soon.
    But I’m keeping track of the WINGNUT failures of manufactured “Oblamer” scandals.

    So far, I’ve got:
    a) Solyndra!
    b) Fast & Furious!
    c) Benghazi!
    for sure. Should I add:
    d) Death Panels!?
    e) FEMA Death Camps!?

    And were there any I missed?
    As the HA mouth piece for every manufactured “Oblamer” scandal that comes out of the Fox Puke Funnel, you’re the resident expert.

    Thanks in advance!

  86. 109

    Puddybud spews:

    Puddy has to give checkmate some credit though. For weeks on HA all we heard from dunceman and his buds how Benghazi was a false narrative created by Republicans. Well General Petraeus has shown how Oblamer’s sadministration has be-tray-ed us by lying for all those weeks so they could get reerected.

    rujax hasn’t even come face to face with the facts! This proves checkmate is smarter than rujax, although that’s not saying much!

  87. 110

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @107 Uncle Puddles spewed,
    that’s not saying much!

    Despite a flood of comments with a lot of words, that’s right, you don’t say much at all. :-(

  88. 111

    Ekim spews:

    90. ButtPutty GoatBoy spews:

    Ekim@87,
    Got proof or more libtard speculation? Who created ORCA?

    Goat Party tonite at my house!

    Oh ButtPounder of low intelligence, I neither know nor cared if the story is true. I found it amusing, more so than you. You I find to be utterly boring.

    Mostly I pass on your posts as completely worthless and mindless drivel. (pause) A quick scan shows you posted nothing of value in this thread either. How utterly predictable. But I will go back and read the other posts.

    Oh, and I’ll pass on your goat party as well.

  89. 112

    Puddybud spews:

    Bullshit.

    Really Roger SENILE Wabbit? Really? You already forgot Lt. Col Andrew Wood’s Congressional testimony Roger SENILE Wabbit? Lt. Col. Andy Wood was the former head of a U.S. Special Forces “Site Security Team” in Libya Roger SENILE Wabbit. They were pulled out of Libya in August Roger SENILE Wabbit. Lt Col Wood testified before Congress in a House Oversight Committee hearing talking about the lack of security at the American consulate in Benghazi Roger SENILE Wabbit.

    Google it sucka!

    You are more than senile… stupid… moronic… idiotic… and full of bullshit!

  90. 114

    Puddybud spews:

    FlubScout farts!

    a) Solyndra! – True
    b) Fast & Furious! – true
    c) Benghazi! – Proving very true
    for sure. Should I add:
    d) Death Panels!? – What did Paul Krugman say again FlubScout?
    e) FEMA Death Camps!? – Don’t know about that one! Got link?

    Going to fix dinner. See you pukes lata!

  91. 115

    Puddybud spews:

    Butt before I leave here is a great synopsis of the Oblamer sadministrations lies on Libya!

    We all know why it Al Qaeda was removed. Because Oblamer claimed he decimated Al Qaeda and this would hiccup Oblamer’s narrative. Well Al Qaeda has said they ain’t dead!

  92. 118

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @110 Uncle Puddles,

    You said “Lt. Col. Andy Wood was the former head of a U.S. Special Forces “Site Security Team””

    And, as you know, Lt Col Wood said “The SSTs mission was to support and answer to Chief of Mission in Libya. I worked directly for the Regional Security Officer.”

    The point is that Wood, a National Guard member on temporary assignment, was not the point man for security in Libya, but by his own testimony was 2 links down the chain of command in country.

    To your false point about ‘removing the troops’, again what does Lt Col Wood tell us?


    I served as the Site Security Team (SST) Commander in Libya from 12 February to 14 August of this year, 2012. I was mobilized from the Utah National Guard into Title 10 status and reported to Special Operations Command Africa (SOCAFRICA) which serves directly under AFRICCOM. I was detailed in Title 22 status to the Department of State and assumed command of the SST.
    The SST element consisted of 16 members. It is my understanding that it was crafted by the National Security Council to meet the demanding security challenges facing the Department of State and their requirement to re-establish diplomatic relations with a post Qaddafi or Free Libya. The SST loaned considerable support to the Department of State’s security posture in this uncertain and volatile environment.

    Now, Uncle Puddles, I understand the reason you never dared to volunteer to serve in the uniform of the armed services of our country was because … Yeah, I forgot because I don’t give a shit to hear your lame excuse.

    But had you served you might be aware that the reason Wood left when he did was because THAT’S WHAT HIS DEPLOYMENT ORDERS STATED before he left.

    But you keep pitching your WINGNUT BS, you yellow bellied coward. Keep pitching.

  93. 121

    ArtFart spews:

    “Butt before I leave”

    You’re leaving, Puddy? Oh, please do…and please take your butt, and your equally poop-filled cranium, along with you.

  94. 122

    spews:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the....._with.html

    Six Affairs, Two Abortions and Another Term in Congress

    By Josh Voorhees

    Posted Friday, Nov. 16, 2012, at 10:54 AM ET

    Tennessee Republican Rep. Scott Desjarlais was among the more than 350 members of Congress who won another two-year term this election, defeating his challenger by double-digits last Tuesday despite a late-breaking sex scandal that had given Democrats hope of an eleventh-hour upset.

    But he SAYS he’s pro-life???

    The puddypussypissypants’ kinda guy!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....47332.html

    That donor was National Republican Campaign Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas), who donated $2,000 to his embattled colleague. An NRCC spokesman did not immediately answer an email request for comment.

    The Tea Party Express-affiliated Our Country Deserves Better PAC thought DesJarlais should be reelected, and gave him $1,000.

    The political action committee of shipping giant Federal Express also delivered for the Tennessean, donating $5,000. Another group that soothed the pain of DesJarlais’ scandals was the American Society of Anethesiologists, which gave him $4,000.

    DesJarlais also appears to have gotten some last-minute love from a PAC run by Rep. Tom Latham (R-Iowa). The FEC forms listed a $5,000 donation from “For Americas” with an address at 675 N. Washington St., Suite 410, in Alexandria, Va. Latham’s For America’s Republican Majority PAC also lists that address and suite. A spokesman for Latham denied the Iowan donated to DesJarlais, but did not answer a request for clarification.

    Hypocrites.

  95. 124

    Michael spews:

    I’m watching Anderson Cooper tear Rep. Dana Rohrabacher to shreds. The house Republican’s haven’t gotten the memo and are going to just keep on lying and go down with the ship.

  96. 126

    Puddybud spews:

    I understand the reason you never dared to volunteer to serve in the uniform of the armed services of our country was because … Yeah, I forgot because I don’t give a shit to hear your lame excuse.

    Wrong again FlubScout.

  97. 127

    Puddybud spews:

    Hey FlubScout… you missed this on purpose

    I traveled to Benghazi on two occasions, once with the RSO to evaluate the security situation there and once to conduct some work for the Defense Attache’s office. I was there the second time in June when the UK Ambassador’s convoy was attacked. I responded with DS security agents in order to help provide medical and security assistance for wounded UK security personnel. I conducted a post attack investigation of the ambush or assault.

    And this too!

    State Department’s decision not to extend SST’s security work beyond August 5th terminated our work in this capacity. The military members of my team were in the process of changing status from Title 22 back to Title 10 shortly before my departure.

  98. 128

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Shale Energy — Boom Or Bubble?

    We’re told “fracking” can make America energy-independent, but experts are raising the alarm that shale gas is a bubble, not a long-term industry. A disturbing fact coming to light is these wells deplete very quickly. This means the U.S. might have only 10 years of shale gas, not the 100-year supply claimed by fracking boosters.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....99138.html

  99. 129

    Michael spews:

    @126
    We don’t have 100 years of natural gas. period. We might have more than 10, but we don’t have anything near 100.

  100. 130

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    An important thing to remember about energy production is that it takes energy to produce energy. The amount of energy required to find, produce, and transport oil, gas, coal, and other energy resources is stated as EROI (energy return on investment). Corn ethanol, for example, uses almost as much energy to produce as it provides, limiting its viability as a fuel. Here are some EROIs for other energy resources:

    Domestic oil circa 1930 – 100:1
    Domestic oil circa 1970 – 40:1
    Imported oil circa 1970 – 40:1
    Hydroelectric power – 40:1
    Imported oil circa 2005 – 35:1
    Wind power – 33:1
    Domestic oil circa 2000 – 15:1
    Domestic natural gas – 15:1
    Nuclear power – 15:1
    Solar photovoltaic – 10:1
    Canadian tar sands oil – 10:1
    Biodiesel and gasohol – 5:1

    http://www.motherearthnews.com.....0zrog.aspx

  101. 131

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ohio’s GOP Gov. John Kasich is pushing to replace the state income tax with royalties from fracked gas production. His argument is based on the claim there’s a trillion dollars worth of recoverable gas in Ohio, but this figure came from a single anonymous industry source, and is scoffed at by industry experts as a wild exaggeration. That probably doesn’t bother Kasich, because his real agenda is not to fund public services, but to defund them. If Ohio voters buy this pie-in-the-sky, and it turns out to be untrue and the state’s public schools and public services collapse as a result, Ohio’s Republicans will have won a great victory for their cause.

  102. 132

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @129 The 10-year estimate might be too low; reputable sources suggest we may have 11 years.

  103. 133

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @124 The problem is Republicans are like Viet Cong on opium; they don’t even know they’ve been shot, and keep coming at you until you blow them completely apart.

  104. 134

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I offer puddy as an example of a Republican who doesn’t comprehend that he’s been annihilated.

  105. 135

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @127 Uncle Puddles,

    And what is the reason to extend the temporary deployment of the National Guard to Libya?

    Facts not in evidence ya cowardly non-serving dope.

  106. 136

    Michael spews:

    I wonder if any of our trolls were down in Longview on Wednesday night?

    The Associated Press

    LONGVIEW — A man who was exposing himself took off running after a Longview woman pulled out a gun and pointed it at him.

    The Daily News reports that around 8 p.m. on Wednesday the woman was at Lake Sacajawea when a man approached her aggressively while masturbating and suggested she should watch him.

    Instead the woman pulled out her gun.

  107. 137

    Puddybud spews:

    Facts not in evidence ya cowardly non-serving dope.

    First off you have no idea about Puddy’s military history… So suck on that moron!

    The previous attacks on the Benghazi compound FlubScout. The ambassador’s security worries from his diary reported by CNN.

    And the cover-up asked for by the CIA!

    So you see FlubScout… you need to improve your media sources over the standard left wrong materials.

  108. 138

    Puddybud spews:

    I wonder if any of our trolls were down in Longview on Wednesday night?

    Had to be a libtard!

  109. 141

    doggril spews:

    “6 different CEOs in 8 years and not one had experience in the food industry? Who are the stupid ones here?”
    That would be the morons who read that statement and still insist it’s all the unions’ fault.

  110. 143

    Puddybud spews:

    ylbuttspigot

    Prove anything is false! Just another ylbuttspigot smelly diarrhea stain in a thread!

    You are the sad existence! No job! Copying everyone’s blog entries!

    A ylbuttspigot joke!

  111. 144

    Michael spews:

    While a Chinese company’s $15.1 billion deal to buy Calgary company Nexen Inc. has been grabbing headlines, Ottawa has quietly been weighing another major foreign takeover of a Canadian energy firm.

    In late June, Malaysia’s Petronas announced a $5.5 billion deal to acquire Calgary-based Progress Energy Resources Corp. — its partner in B.C. shale natural gas development.

    Capital gettin’ scarce? It takes a lot of Capital to turn sand laced with bitumen in into oil.

  112. 146

    spews:

    143 – Poor fool. This manipulation of the benghazi attack will FAIL to depose the “community organizer” just as your beloved right wing plutocrats with all of their money FAILED!

    Their strategy relies on BULLSHIT! We all saw the BULLSHIT FAIL on Nov 6..

    As long as you rely on FAILING Faux News and other right wing BULLSHIT,

    YOU WILL FAIL WITH IT!

  113. 147

    Puddybud spews:

    Find a job yet ylbuttspigot?

    R U still receiving unemployment checks ylbuttspigot?

    What kind of role model R U for your son ylbuttspigot?

    Keep those Oblamer dreams going while you sit at home wasting oxygen ylbuttspigot!

    Hey ylbuttspigot, while you are stuck at home living off Mrs buttspigot’s SEIU paycheck for Christmas, Puddy taking the whole family overseas for Christmas. FREE! Well Puddy has to pay airport taxes on the tickets. So much for your FAIL WITH IT charge.

    Sucks to be you! Keep your inner dope alive! EPIC FAYLE!

  114. 148

    Mathew "RennDawg" Renner spews:

    I was not planning to go to Wal-Mart on friday. Now I will just because it might annoy a LAZY striker.