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On the floor: Pelosi calls convention to order

by Darryl — Monday, 8/25/08, 5:31 pm

Just after 5:00 pm Pacific time, Nancy Pelosi has called the convention to order—even in this atmosphere of festive disorder. A few minutes into her speech, she is clearly in the role of attack dog, and going after John McCain. “John McCain is Wrong,” she has the crowd chanting in unison.

The “John McCain is Wrong” part reminds me of that “priceless” McCain speech with the green backdrop. You remember that one…where McCain kept saying “And that’s not change we can believe in,” followed by a sheepish grin and a nasally, McGooish laugh. The difference here is that nobody is sheepish (but they are all grins). There is nothing but enthusiasm and, dare I say it, unity. Yes, I know, there is supposed to be disunity, especially among the Washington delegation (with whom I am sitting). While I ‘m sure there are some bitterly disappointed Clinton supporters around, there is most certainly a unity of feeling at the convention that America cannot afford a McCain presidency.

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  1. 1

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 5:43 pm

    Ok I’m looking at convention on CSPAN and yes I see some folks with laptops typing away up above the floor.

    Could be journos, could be bloggers.

  2. 2

    One Fly spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 6:19 pm

    Here is a link to all the bloggers selected to attend the DNC just like this site. I like what I see here.

  3. 3

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 6:22 pm

    Lots of nice words for kennedy.
      
    Not even a moment of silence for Mary Jo Kopechne.

  4. 4

    Don Joe spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 6:27 pm

    Not even a moment of silence for Mary Jo Kopechne.

    We were counting on you for that. And, of course, you blew it.

  5. 5

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 6:29 pm

    3
    You are a fucking asshole, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. You are an unforgiving piece of shit, and precisely what is wrong with this nation. Ted Kennedy has done more good for this nation than any politician alive. He made a mistake 40 years ago. He is now dying of cancer, and what do we see from you? There are limits to political banter. You cross them. I cannot believe you are a musician. I have never met a musician with less soul than you. Did I tell you that you are a fucking asshole?

  6. 6

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:14 pm

    They should have held a vigil for that kid the cunt Laura Bush killed when she was in high school because he wouldn’t fuck the ugly bitch.

  7. 7

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:30 pm

    By the way – a REPUBLICAN Congressman who is supporting President Obama just gave a speech on behalf of the Democratic nominee. Nice to know there is in fact at least one republican in the world who is not a traitor to America.

  8. 8

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:41 pm

    5. proud leftist spews:
    He made a mistake 40 years ago.

      
    The mistake was his car going off the bridge.
      
    What he did after that wasn’t a mistake. It was intentional.
      

    He is now dying of cancer, and what do we see from you?

      
    What did we see from him as mary jo was slowly dying in his car? Besides him putting his career aspirations ahead of what a normal acting human being would do.

  9. 9

    dutch spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:48 pm

    Hold the presses: Pelosi says McCain is wrong…who woulda thunk
    But star struck Darryl eats it up.
    Does she talk about substance ?

  10. 10

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:54 pm

    I’ll second that PL. The silly knee-jerk Republican hack gets no more feedings from me.

  11. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 7:59 pm

    Yelling Loser Boy SCUM has feelings?

    Whudathunkit?

  12. 12

    Ida Gnoh spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:00 pm

    Awww… I’m switching my vote from my John to Barack, just because those two little girls are sooooo cute!

  13. 13

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:09 pm

    uh oh! It’s Miller Time HA bloggers. Ya gotta put up a post about the parties.

    11 – LMAO!!! Get your eyes checked. Read 10 again. MORON!!

  14. 14

    mark spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:14 pm

    @5 And you would feel the same if John McCain
    left Mary Jo to die? Yeah. FUCK YOU

  15. 15

    Troll spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:14 pm

    First day: Very weak, very poor job.

  16. 16

    Me Steve too, Seattlejew spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:14 pm

    Michelle Obama

    Love

    what could be more wonderful?

  17. 17

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:15 pm

    Maybe they’ll read this article before they write their economic platform?

    online.barrons.com/article_print/SB121944470588164921.html?mod=googlenews_barrons

  18. 18

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:16 pm

    I am certain during the Repug convention they will have a loving tribute to Carol Shepp McCain, whom John McCain committed adultery on during their marriage and dumped when she lost her model looks so he could marry the wealthy beer heiress.

    Yep, can’t wait to see that!

  19. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:18 pm

    Mark@14: I agree. The Donkey would react mightily.

  20. 20

    Me Steve too, Seattlejew spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:24 pm

    Stamm

    Like you I am an unforgiving ass hole. But. unlike you I am not a partisan UAH.

    I have had the good fortune ot spend a few hours one on one with Ted Kennedy and came awy very impressed. Whatever happend at the bridge, is horrible.

    But why not show some balance?

    The Bush admin’s shear incompetence in Iraq has killed several thousand Americans and tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of others. How can you tolerate that?

    The same folks have imposed a massive debt on our children for no obvious reason byt their own greed. How can you tolerate that?

    While my friends died in ‘nam of fled the country, your effin President misused our resources and avoided even the minimum of duty required of him. How can you tolerate that?

    The Bush Buddiehood declared war on our own justice Dept and now will not male good the erros they made the lives they hurt. How can you tolerate that?

    In the meantime, we got to hear about true love toimite and you missed it. sad.

  21. 21

    Puddybud spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:26 pm

    Did you see Nancy’s worthless diatribe with Tom Brokay Sunday on Meet the Depressing?

    “I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition.” – Nancy Pelosi

    Well Nancy

    Catholic Church Catechism 70 AD Didache 2:1–2 – “The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child”

    Tertullian in 197 Ad wrote – “In our case, a murder being once for all forbidden, we may not destroy even the fetus in the womb, while as yet the human being derives blood from the other parts of the body for its sustenance. To hinder a birth is merely a speedier man-killing; nor does it matter whether you take away a life that is born, or destroy one that is coming to birth. That is a man which is going to be one; you have the fruit already in its seed”

    Once again Donkey have no clue.

  22. 22

    I-Burn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:28 pm

    5. proud leftist spews:

    3
    You are a fucking asshole, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. You are an unforgiving piece of shit, and precisely what is wrong with this nation. Ted Kennedy has done more good for this nation than any politician alive. He made a mistake 40 years ago. He is now dying of cancer, and what do we see from you? There are limits to political banter. You cross them. I cannot believe you are a musician. I have never met a musician with less soul than you. Did I tell you that you are a fucking asshole?

    Funny, I don’t recall any of this righteous fury when someone on your side, BBG for example, goes beyond not only the bounds of “political banter”, but human decency. Or is your outrage only for your political opponents?

  23. 23

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:34 pm

    I love it when iBurner who is my bitch, tries to make a reasoned argument – like anyone who thinks he’s worth a fuck – RIGHT!

    The right wing turds, my bitch iBurn included, don’t care about America. They care about winning. And they don’t care about anyone but themselves. They’re pro life until you’re born, then they have no use for you.

    Now we should accept this and simply applaud every right wing death.

    I CHEERED when Ronnie Raygun died. I jumped up and down and CHEERED. And I will do the same when that coke-snorting, AWOL, draft-dodging, monkeyfaced idiot GW Bush passes of old age. I’ll CHEER when WHATADICK Cheney finally has that last heart attack and I’ll CHEER when Rove dies of AIDS from being fucked in the ass by his queer boyfriend. These will be great days for America.

  24. 24

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:34 pm

    Wingnuts,

    The Iraqis have spoken:

    GET THE FUCK OUT!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...../iraq_dc_2

  25. 25

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:36 pm

    By the way it’s rumored that Rompin Rudy – the “GOP” keynote speaker plans to say “global terrorism” 123 times during his speech. Fear is all the traitors on the right have for sale.

    Wonder if FlipFlop McSame will invite his first wife to the floor – you know, the one who was disfigured in a car crash and whom he cheated on with SIN dee before finally dumping the first wife he’d sworn his oath of loyalty to?

  26. 26

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:38 pm

    20. Me Steve too, Seattlejew spews:
    But why not show some balance?

      
    Oh, I get it. Bush is bad so it’s okay that teddy let an innocent die.
      
    BULLSHIT!
      
    War is about death, always has been, always will be.
      
    Should every president that has sent troops to war be brought up on criminal charges? Should a person that accidently drives off a bridge and then intentionally does nothing to help someone be brought up on criminal charges?

  27. 27

    I-Burn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:43 pm

    @23

    Case in point, right there.

    BBG, put on a blindfold, and go play in traffic.

  28. 28

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:44 pm

    22. I-Burn spews:
    Funny, I don’t recall any of this righteous fury when someone on your side, BBG for example, goes beyond not only the bounds of “political banter”, but human decency. Or is your outrage only for your political opponents?

      
    I-Burn puts party above everything else.
      
    Too bad mary jo kopechne wasn’t available to speak at the dnc. No doubt she would have spoken highly of teddy, well, until he let her suffer and slowly die.

  29. 29

    K spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 8:49 pm

    Marv @ 25- not every president who led the US to war should be brought up on charges. Those who lied to start the war and pursued it with incompetence, should.

  30. 30

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:01 pm

    I-burn @ 22
    Actually, I do think BBG crosses the line. If I had a chance to talk to him, I would suggest that he not say things like:
    “I CHEERED when Ronnie Raygun died. I jumped up and down and CHEERED. And I will do the same when that coke-snorting, AWOL, draft-dodging, monkeyfaced idiot GW Bush passes of old age.”

    That ain’t right. So, how about you? Don’t you think that Marvistan crossed the line?

  31. 31

    Troll spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:06 pm

    Michelle Obama came off as insincere. Ted Kennedy is a tragic, pathetic, and cowardly figure. I spent his speech reading about Mary Jo Kopechne’s life. I also spent the time reading a NY Times on a little unethical threeway between Joe Biden, his son, and a credit card company. “Biden’s son was on the payroll of a huge credit card company at the same time The Senator was voting to make it easier for huge credit card companies to keep people on the hook for their bad debts.” Corrupt, lying scumbag.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08.....en.html?em

  32. 32

    HMS spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:11 pm

    BBG, put on a blindfold, and go play in traffic.

    —————

    I think he already has – once too often.

  33. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:17 pm

    The Economist, a British conservative newsweekly, suggests American workers will have to accept a lower standard of living to keep inflation under control.

    Roger Rabbit, an American patriot, says cheap labor conservatives should sacrifice a bit of their high living on the backs of America’s workers to keep greed under control.

  34. 34

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:20 pm

    These wingnuts will do anything to keep from admitting they want four more years of the same failures.

    McSame is what they want. When McCain had some independent stands on the issues, they HATED him (even when he voted with the Chimp most of the time). Now he’s the McSame and they’ll vote for him.

    They want the same old bullshit – McSame.

  35. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:23 pm

    @3 Will the GOP/BIAW convention have a moment of silence for Laura Bush’s boyfriend?

  36. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:26 pm

    @8 Poor Stamm believes Teddy pushed Mary Jo’s head under. Because Wingnut Central told him to. What Wingnut Central says, goes. Stamm may not question Wingnut Central.

    But the rest of us can!!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  37. 37

    I-Burn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:32 pm

    @29 PL

    Tough one. Difficult to be at all objective, as I don’t much like TK, either. However, speaking ill of a dying man is probably beyond good taste, if nothing else, yes.

  38. 38

    Troll spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:34 pm

    Does anyone know if it’s true that Obama is a supporter of the Republic of New Afrika (RNA), which seeks the creation of a black nation in the U.S. in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina?

  39. 39

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:34 pm

    Troll
    Any chance you will ever confront yourself and realize that you don’t know the truth from your anal cavity? You are not a liberal, you are not a Democrat. You need to go to your own people and reside among the muck of what passes for the opposition party. Go, man, play with the children that call themselves Republicans. Quit your charade about being a liberal. I’d ask if you had any shame, but Republicans have no shame so I will refrain from asking.

  40. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:39 pm

    @9 Substance. Now there’s a fascinating topic! I could talk about substance all night! Unfortunately, the rightwing-biased media won’t talk about substance for 3 seconds. If they did, no Republican would ever be elected to anything, because Republicans fail on substance every time.

    Republican Score Card:

    Peace: F
    Human rights: F
    Foreign policy: F
    Economy: F
    Health care: F
    Employment: F
    Inflation: F
    Standard of living: F
    Food & drug safety: F
    Disaster response: F
    Tax fairness: F
    Fiscal policy: F
    Open government: F
    Judicial appointments: F
    Ethics: F
    Energy policy: F
    Transportation: F
    Education: F
    Bank regulation: F
    Pensions & retirement security: F

  41. 41

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:40 pm

    I guess Marvie was at the bridge and saw it all happen. He is all knowing, after all. Hey, Marvie, do you have any friends? As a musician, do you have any gigs? I have to ask, given that you say that you live in California and seem to post here quite a lot. I don’t know why a California resident and popular musician would post on this blog unless, well, unless he really didn’t have anything else to do.

  42. 42

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:46 pm

    29. proud leftist spews:
    I-burn @ 22
    Actually, I do think BBG crosses the line. If I had a chance to talk to him, I would suggest that he not say things like:
    “I CHEERED when Ronnie Raygun died. I jumped up and down and CHEERED. And I will do the same when that coke-snorting, AWOL, draft-dodging, monkeyfaced idiot GW Bush passes of old age.”

    That ain’t right. So, how about you? Don’t you think that Marvistan crossed the line?

      
    Comparing me to bibigoober?
      
    All I said was “Not even a moment of silence for Mary Jo Kopechne.” That’s a far cry from cheering or the slew of names bibigoober routinely engages in.
      
    Obviously you feel strongly that what teddy did was wrong, other wise the mere mention of mary jo’s name wouldn’t have pissed you off like it did.
      
    What do you think Mary Jo would have said at the convention? Maybe the other john edwards could use his psychic powers and tell us.

  43. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:46 pm

    Ted Kennedy committed a reprehensible act — one that millions of other Americans commit — namely, drinking and driving. He has spent the rest of his living atoning for it by caring about ordinary Americans — America’s workers, students, veterans, and families.

    Republicans don’t give a shit about anyone except themselves and their own bank accounts.

    I’ll take Teddy over any Republican you can name any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Betcha the Lord will, too.

  44. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:47 pm

    Sign on Heavenly Gates:

    NO REPUBLICANS ALLOWED

  45. 45

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:48 pm

    28. K spews:
    Marv @ 25- not every president who led the US to war should be brought up on charges. Those who lied to start the war and pursued it with incompetence, should.

      
    Here’s a list of the democrats that lied us into the war.
      
    http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html
      
    You’ll be amazed how many were lying before bush took office. Don’t overlook the words of clinton, after all, as president he would know.

  46. 46

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:51 pm

    I-burn @36
    Fair enough, I guess. I think that whatever you think about Teddy, you have to acknowledge he gives a shit about this nation. Bringing up Mary Jo Kopechne at this point in time reveals a person who is incapable of anything but the most ardent partisanship. One of the things that marks hard core contemporary Republicans is an inability to ever admit anything wrong with their leaders. The Cult of Reagan is the best example. Contemporary Republicans, even my friend, the Piper, treat Reagan as if he was the second coming. On our side of the fence, we don’t idolize. We recognize that humans are humans, not gods. That is why Hillary did not win the nomination. Bill may have been popular, but he was human. Reagan, on the other hand, with those of you on the right, never did wrong. I don’t get that.

  47. 47

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:57 pm

    Marvistan @ 41
    You don’t get it at all, do you? Marching through life oblivious ain’t no way to go, m’lad. I’d hate to be you. Nonsense is not a rational path to follow. Go hide in your hole. People like you, who are utterly incapable of taking facts into account, utterly incapable of anything that the most partisan of thinking, are what is wrong with the good old US of A. Marvie, have I ever suggested that you go fuck yourself?

  48. 48

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:58 pm

    40. proud leftist spews:
    I guess Marvie was at the bridge and saw it all happen. He is all knowing, after all. Hey, Marvie, do you have any friends? As a musician, do you have any gigs? I have to ask, given that you say that you live in California and seem to post here quite a lot. I don’t know why a California resident and popular musician would post on this blog unless, well, unless he really didn’t have anything else to do.

      
    I was waiting for the personal attacks. You can’t dispute the facts that your idol teddy allowed someone to die so you have to attack me.
      
    You know the truth.
      
    Enjoy reading-

    In fact it was a full nine hours – and after he learned that the submerged car with a body inside had been discovered – that Kennedy reported the accident to police and said he had been the driver.
       
    At this point the Kennedy clout in Massachusetts kicked in. The other partygoers quickly left the island, and Kopechne’s body was flown by Kennedy-chartered plane to her hometown of Wilkes-Barre, Pa. No autopsy was performed.

      
      
    Mary jo could not be reached for comment.

  49. 49

    csj spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:00 pm

    Ted Kennedy committed a reprehensible act — one that millions of other Americans commit — namely, drinking and driving. He has spent the rest of his living atoning for it by caring about ordinary Americans — America’s workers, students, veterans, and families.

    What evidence was there that he was drinking?

    See the results of the inquest here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....k_incident

    I think the question here is whether his position provided advantages ordinary citizens wouldn’t have had.

  50. 50

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:05 pm

    46. proud leftist spews:
    Marvistan @ 41
    You don’t get it at all, do you? Marching through life oblivious ain’t no way to go, m’lad. I’d hate to be you. Nonsense is not a rational path to follow. Go hide in your hole. People like you, who are utterly incapable of taking facts into account, utterly incapable of anything that the most partisan of thinking, are what is wrong with the good old US of A. Marvie, have I ever suggested that you go fuck yourself?

      
    What fact am I missing?
      
    You know, I can go fuck myself.
      
    Mary jo does not have that option thanks to teddy.

  51. 51

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:16 pm

    Here’s a list of folks who can’t fuck themselves thanks to Bush/McCain

    http://icasualties.org/oif/USDeaths.aspx

    Be patient, it is a long list.

  52. 52

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:20 pm

    Wonder if traitors and cowards like iBurn/AKA HMS ever wonder how all the dead US service men’s families felt when that coward McSame made 30 proaganda tapes helping the VC. Of course since iBurn/AKA HMS never served, they wouldn’t understand. They’re just traitors like everyone else on the right.

    Oh yeah – and Laura Bush killed a guy! (Becuase he wouldn’t fuck her!)

  53. 53

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:26 pm

    A very interesting website about teddy and mary jo.
      

    John Farrar, the rescue diver who examined the Chappaquiddick accident scene, was convinced that Mary Jo Kopechne had not only survived the crash, but had also lived for some time by breathing a pocket of trapped air. Farrar did not believe that she had drowned, but instead had died by asphyxiation as the oxygen in the air she was breathing was used up and replaced with carbon dioxide. “She was alive, easily an hour, maybe two,” he said.
      
    – Underwater, Farrar saw the Oldsmobile sedan balanced on the brow of its windshield, tipped forward from the weight of the engine so that its rear end was tilted toward the surface. The car was facing the opposite direction it had been traveling before plunging off the bridge. Only speed could account for such aerial maneuvers, Farrar said later. “The car must have been going at a pretty good clip to land almost in the middle of the channel.”
    – Farrar peered through the driver’s side open window and saw the front seat was empty. He made his way to the back of the car, and through the corner of the rear window he saw two motionless feet clad in sandals. As long as there was a chance that the occupant might be alive, he had to hurry and expand the air pocket in the automobile and bring a resuscitator, if necessary.
      
    – Farrar thrust himself through the open window and into the car. Looking up, he found the body of a young woman. Her head was cocked back, her face pressed into the footwell. Both hands gripped the front edge of the back seat to hold herself in conformity with its upholstered contours.

      
    http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

  54. 54

    Don Joe spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:43 pm

    Let’s see, a car accident that happened nearly 40 years ago and a link to a web site that shows a very poor understanding of the meaning of the word “lie.” This is the legacy of Stamnering Marvin.

    For the record, asking the CIA to forge documents is a lie.

  55. 55

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:53 pm

    Troll
    I cannot believe you would claim that Michelle Obama’s speech was insincere. She is fucking remarkable. Your remark indicates how partisan you are. You really need to quit your charade. Oh, and by the way, go fuck yourself.

  56. 56

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:57 pm

    Of course “troll” is insincere.

    He’s just a paid plant from the McCain campaign.

    Just another product of the lie machine that is the Republic Party.

  57. 57

    proud leftist spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:20 pm

    Marvistan,
    You have no soul. I’ve never met a musician without a soul. Therefore, I don’t believe you are a musician. Even Toby Keith can connect. You cannot. That is why you have no gigs. Life ain’t easy, Marvie, unless you live in your parents’ basement.

  58. 58

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:27 pm

    53. Don Joe spews:
    For the record, asking the CIA to forge documents is a lie.

      
    So george tenet, the clinton appointee lied for bush?
      
    George tenet doesn’t agree with you, nor does he agree with the author of the book you linked to-
      

    One supposed “news” item from the book apparently asserts that British intelligence had a high-placed Iraqi source who convincingly told them before the start of the war that Iraq had no WMD and that the British relayed this to the United States. As Mr. Suskind tells it, the White House directed (and CIA allegedly went along with) burying that information so that the war could go ahead as planned. This is a complete fabrication. In fact, the source in question failed to persuade his British interlocutors that he had anything new to offer by way of intelligence, concessions, or negotiations with regard to the Iraq crisis and the British — on their own — elected to break off contact with him.

    There were many Iraqi officials who said both publicly and privately that Iraq had no WMD — but our foreign intelligence colleagues and we assessed that these individuals were parroting the Ba’ath party line and trying to delay any coalition attack. The particular source that Suskind cites offered no evidence to back up his assertion and acted in an evasive and unconvincing manner.
     
    The second nugget involves a supposed order from the White House to me at the CIA to have my staff fabricate a letter connecting Iraq with Al Qa’ida and the attacks of 9/11. Suskind says that CIA was directed to get an Iraqi official to copy the bogus information in his own hand — and then cause it to be leaked to the media.
      
    There was no such order from the White House to me nor, to the best of my knowledge, was anyone from CIA ever involved in any such effort.
      
    It is well established that, at my direction, CIA resisted efforts on the part of some in the Administration to paint a picture of Iraqi-Al Qa’ida connections that went beyond the evidence. The notion that I would suddenly reverse our stance and have created and planted false evidence that was contrary to our own beliefs is ridiculous.
      
    There are undoubtedly many other errors in the book — but these are the first ones of which I’ve been made aware. One would think a serious journalist would have, at a minimum, asked the supposed participants if what he was prepared to write was consistent with the facts. Mr. Suskind never contacted me on anything regarding this book. I suppose he had a story that fell into the category of: “too good to check.”

      
    Too good to check, the dan rather story.

  59. 59

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:32 pm

    56. proud leftist spews:
    Marvistan,
    You have no soul. I’ve never met a musician without a soul. Therefore, I don’t believe you are a musician. Even Toby Keith can connect. You cannot. That is why you have no gigs. Life ain’t easy, Marvie, unless you live in your parents’ basement.

      
    Yup, no soul, no gigs. I live in the basement of my parents house. Life ain’t easy, you got me pegged.
      
    Since you are all knowing, why did teddy let her die and try to cover it up?
      
    The soul of Mary Jo is wondering.

  60. 60

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:33 pm

    CIA resisted efforts on the part of some in the Administration to paint a picture of Iraqi-Al Qa’ida connections that went beyond the evidence.

    So, Stammer, even when you are attempting to defend the Repugs, you end up admitting that they actively worked to lie the US and the US Congress into a war.

    Man, sucks to be a repug apologist.

  61. 61

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:37 pm

    Stammer, a question for you. Why did McCain denounce America and admit to being a war criminal?

    Man, it surely do suck being a repug apologist, don’t it, Stammer?

  62. 62

    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Tuesday, 8/26/08 at 1:05 am

    Ooh Boy, the Repugs are such a complete failure

    It is going to be such a treat to have real adults back in leadership. Maybe we can finally clean up the disaster the Repugs have caused.

  63. 63

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Tuesday, 8/26/08 at 8:56 am

    Troll is a republican – he’s not even good at PRETENDING to be a Democrat. He’s an inbred idiot so best to ignore him.

    As for Marvin, he’s a child rapist who lives in California. He’s never denied it. And what a loooooser. . . he has nothing better to do than post on an out-of-state board dominated by Washington-state Democrats.

    Wonder if Marvin the child rapist is proud of the fact that McSame made 30 propaganda tapes for the VC – which helped boost our enemy.

    Oh yeah and don’t forget. . . Laura Bush killed a guy. Google it!

  64. 64

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Tuesday, 8/26/08 at 8:57 am

    Google “McCain is an asshole” 12,500 references.

    Try the same for Obama – 538 references.

    Pretty much sums it up.

  65. 65

    Ekim spews:

    Tuesday, 8/26/08 at 9:54 am

    Does anyone know if it’s true that Troll fucks sheep in his basement and fucks chickens in bed at night?

    Does anyone know if it’s true that Marvin Stamn is jealous because he can’t afford the same quality of sheep and chickens that Troll owns?

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