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An angry right wing guy insists that Nazis were leftists because they were “National Socialists,” and he also demands that Baird “stay away from his kids.”
This was from the Brian Baird town hall last Tuesday.
Yeah, we’ll stay away from your kids, angry guy, and you and your kin, because you’re a crazy angry ignorant moron. No problem. My main goal in life is to avoid people like you.
I sure wouldn’t want to risk pulling in front of your grocery cart by accident, because that might be about the same as something Pol Pot would do. I hear old Pol was a real asshole when he was shopping, which would make me a Pol Pot shopper. Or something.
It’s hard to argue with stupid. But this is a pretty good example of what we’re dealing with. G-d bLess tHe UsA.
UPDATE [Lee]: Jon, I hope you don’t mind my piggy-backing on your post here, but the following passage is from the very beginning of Volume 2 of Mein Kampf, where Adolf Hitler lays out the general philosophy of the National Socialist movement:
Our present political world view, current in Germany, is based in general on the idea that creative, culture-creating force must indeed by attributed to the state, but that it has nothing to do with racial consider, but is rather a product of economic necessities, or, at best, the natural result of a political urge for power. This underlying view, if logically developed, leads not only to a mistaken conception of basic racial forces, but also to an underestimation of the individual. For a denial of the difference between the various races with regard to their general culture-creating forces must necessarily extend this greatest of all errors to the judgment of the individual. The assumption of the equality of the races then becomes a basis for a similar way of viewing peoples and finally individual men. And hence international Marxism itself is only the transference, by the Jew, Karl Marx, of a philosophical attitude and conception, which had actually long been in existence, into the form of a definite political creed. Without the subsoil of such generally existing poisoning, the amazing success of this doctrine would never have been possible. Actually Karl Marx was only the one among millions who, with the sure eye of the prophet, recognized in the morass of a slowly decomposing world the most essential poisons, extracted them, and, like a wizard, prepared them into a concentrated solution for the swifter annihilation of the independent existence of free nations on this earth. And all this in the service of his race.
His Marxist doctrine is a brief spiritual extract of the philosophy of life that is generally current today. And for this reason alone any struggle of our so-called bourgeois world against it is impossible, absurd in fact, since this bourgeois world is also essentially infected by these poisons, and worships a view of life which in general is distinguished from the Marxists only by degrees and personalities. The bourgeois world is Marxist, but believes in the possibility of the rule of certain groups of men (bourgeoisie), while Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews.
To believe that the Nazi movement was communist is on the same plane of historical ignorance as believing that the reason the South seceded before the Civil War was because the North refused to end slavery. Actually, it might even be worse than that.
You should have seen the nut cases at the Northgate Mall today with their crayon “No Obamacare” signs. They were pathetic. King 5 said there was 75 protesters on the news before the Seahawks Game. There was like 20 protesters, and about 50 people making fun of them…. When they are not lying, or terrorizing senior citizens, I wonder what these tea bagging ignorant pathetic liars do….. Oh, I forgot. They complain. They sure seem to love our health care for profit system though. Got cash get care. No cash, and yer treated like road kill. It’s the Republican Way. One of these idiots even told me it was Obama’s fault he lost his job. Yeah right buddy. I told him it was Reagan’s fault.
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Troll @ 2,
You have left this same old tired comment so many times that it violates the “Deliberately repetitive comments” part of the comment policy.
Sorry, Kiddo, but get used to it…you’ll feel this same way when your mommy weans you.
devore, how come you never parsed jeremiah wright’s words. like “them jews won’t let me near him”. then, anaylize if it meant obmama always knew of wright’s views, or obama was too stupid to see them, etc. i wont hold my breath.
manoftruth @ 4,
Why should he?
— Wright isn’t a political leader of any sort
— It’s old news
— The comment itself is wacky and irrelevant
— There are far more important things to write about
— I suspect Jon doesn’t take suggestions from haters like you
Any other idiotic questions?
@5
lol….if david duke was a friend of john mccain, and if mccain won the presidency, you’d still be talking about it, you lying fool.
@6: Compare the mileage the Democrats got out of Hagee with what Republicans got out of Wright.
When are we going to get to see Brian Baird’s real birth certificate?
What’s he hiding?
His official bio declares openly that he was born in New Mexico!
The guy is wrong on the the Nazi thing. The Nazi party was a reaction to the excesses of the liberals in 1920’s Germany. But that being said, the totalitarian nature of the Nazi party, as it became, looks very similar to the current uber-statist incarnation of the Democratic party today.
Blame the Jews ->Blame the Republicans
Nationalize Industries -> Nationalize Industries
Brown shirts -> Purple shirts SEIU
Goebbels -> Axelrod
HA -> Hitler youth
@5
How does the kool-aid taste?
Obama sat in Wright’s church for 20 years. Either he believed that crap too, or Michelle did, or it was a cynical ploy for political reasons. Pick which bad option you want, but none of the reasons you cite are valid.
“Jacob Kirkegaard, of the Peterson Institute for International Economics, … found that … ‘the improved operation of the U.S. labor market during the 1990s has reversed itself in the 2000s, with negative long-term economic consequences for the United States.’
“In other words, new sectors aren’t picking up the slack as older ones whither and stagnating wages indicate that the new jobs that come along tend to pay less.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....col23.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Waytago wingfucks! In your zeal to create a Haitian tropical paradise in the U.S., where trust fund babies can spend their days sipping daquiries and ogling bikini babes next to the pool, you’ve created a third-world economy (with third-world health care) for U.S. workers. And, thanks to your CO2-belching power plants and SUVs, you’ve recreated Haiti’s climate in Buffalo, New York too! All that’s missing for the rest of us is the trust fund income, pool, bikini babes, and daquiris. Plenty of ice in mine, when you get around to it, thanks.
Why do Republicans hate the young? Because they voted for Obama?
“According to research by Andrew Sum at Northeastern University’s Center for Labor Market Studies, we’re seeing unprecedented declines in the employment rates for teenagers and young adults. The phenomenon has been happening since 2000 and has gathered force in the current recession. Among 20- to 24-year-olds, employment rates have fallen 5 percentage points since 2000.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....col23.html
Well, maybe they voted for Obama because you Republicans haven’t given them any reason to vote for you! Ya think??!
manoftruth @6,
“if david duke was a friend of john mccain, and if mccain won the presidency, you’d still be talking about it, you lying fool.”
Wait…what????? David Duke isn’t a friend of McCain, McCain didn’t win the presidency, and nobody is smearing Sen. McCain with David Duke.
So…you are offering a preemptive attack against an imaginary attack on McCain?!?!
Dude…seek professional help.
Yeah, he was one of the clueless wingnuts at the meeting that night. The reference to “educating my kids” was about a program to teach basic infant and child care to new parents. Sounds evil, huh?
I’ll remember his words the next time there’s another article about someone beating a 2 year old to death for wetting the bed.
Mental illness must be covered under the public option, since we have so many paranoid freaks in this country.
delbert,
“How does the kool-aid taste?”?
Couldn’t say…I don’t accept tastes from sociopaths. But thanks for asking.
“Obama sat in Wright’s church for 20 years.
Either he believed that crap too, or Michelle did, or it was a cynical ploy for political reasons.”
LOL! You seem to misunderstand why people attend church. Hint: it isn’t to learn politics!
@13 He’s beyond professional help. The best thing he can do is drown himself in a bathtub.*
* Hahaha!! Just kidding! Grover Norquist joke.
“To believe that the Nazi movement was communist is on the same plane of historical ignorance as believing that the reason the South seceded before the Civil War was because the North refused to end slavery. Actually, it might even be worse than that.”
This neatly sums up the utterly inane willful ignorance of the right — which, it is increasingly apparent, is composed of people driven by contrary personalities as though possessed by demons who deliberately and with premeditation pin their worldview and beliefs on premises they know to be false.
Hitler hated communists. That’s why he hunted down and killed Germany’s communists and invaded the Soviet Union. But hey wingnuts, don’t let blatantly obvious historical facts get in the way of your mythologies! When you can’t get laid, there’s no substitute for a good mythology to make you feel all warm and gooey in your pants!!
Pssst, people, John’s post is meant to make you forget Brian Baird’s original anti-American comments.
@9 “The Nazi party was a reaction to the excesses of the liberals in 1920’s Germany.”
What a load of crap. To blame the rise of Nazism on German liberalism is to pretend that World War I never occurred, that Germany’s defeat never occurred, that the humiliations imposed on Germany by the Versailles Treaty never occurred, that the postwar hyperinflation and depression never occurred, and that the Bolshevik revolution never occurred. Those factors, not liberalism, fertilized the soil in which the weed of Hitlerism flourished. The only role German liberals had in all this was the German liked Hitler’s response to ordinary Germans’ fear and insecurity better than the liberals’. To blame Hitler on the German liberals is like blaming Bush on the Democrats because they lost the 2000 and 2004 elections.
@18 Really? You’re the fucking German here.
(Note: The term “German” is here used in context as a pejorative denoting a person with fascist sympathies.)
I was sure when I came in here that I’d see one of those defenses of the Civil War-era South in which they try to claim that the CW was NOT about slavery at all. That’s always fun. I usually link to and quote from the declarations of secession of the various states in which they make it VERY clear that it was ALL about slavery. Fun, but not this time, I guess.
On the topic:
Yeah, let’s think about it. The Nazis were apparently so Communist that the Soviet Union, dedicated to spreading Communism across the planet (in those days) sacrificed 20 million people in the fight to stop them. That’s how Communist the Nazis were.
Heh, you cannot fix stupid. This Former Marine, of which I know many, expects to be praised and respected on that alone for the rest of his life. It doesn’t mean a thing. So what, you stood in a place of danger for a short period in your life with the intention of protecting the country. Thank you for your service, now, go get a job and feed your kids and do what other, non ex-military folks do. Live a life. Create things. Be good to people and don’t be an asshole.
What you are seeing is the effects of the adult who didn’t pay attention in class when he was young. What you see here in this man is the grown up version of the kid who was good at sports or auto shop and really didn’t feel the need to actually learn anything beyond the minimum to skate through school with the least amount of effort.
I knew guys like this, still do. They sneered at me because I would read books at lunch, or went to a biology summer camp sponsored by the local university, while the were out chasing tail, getting drunk and riding dirt bikes in the hills with their other redneck freinds. They actively chose to ignore important details in history class, maybe because the teacher wasn’t a particularly interesting instructor, maybe because that pretty little cheerleader type sitting next to him was more interesting. These are the guys that would throw spitwads, paper airplanes, crack wise at new pieces of information, and totally ignored the books they were issued for the class. They actively chose to learn nothing. Because there wasn’t anything more important than what they already knew by the time they were in 8th grade.
He’s a product of the small town, poorly funded public education system. If he had been in public school in the 1950’s, he would be accusing Rep. Baird of being a communist, because his daddy told him so.
This is a sick, sad, sorry state of affairs. This is why we need to rebuild the public education system from the ground up. fund it as it should be. And require people to learn at least some of the details of history as a qualification to exit that system successfuly.
That coal mine isn’t going to be there forever man. What are you going to do when it closes? Sit around on welfare and drink beer in front of the TV? There are too many people doing that already.
@22 Marines are trained to do one simple thing, and do it extremely well: To engage well-armed and well-trained enemies in combat, and prevail.
Being able to do this earns them our undying gratitude, but doesn’t impart them with superior knowledge of public affairs, nor does it entitle them to tell the rest of us how we must live.
Welcome home, Marines. (From an Army Vietnam vet with long pink ears.)
We crazy angry ignorant morons know this: National Socialism and Soviet Socialism were fuck buddies. The national socialist project, as its name implies, was built to build socialism in one nation. The soviet socialist project was intended to export socialism from the USSR. That’s why they called it the Comintern, ya dopes: Communism going international.
Any of you neocommies still hung up on the Nazi-Soviet nonagression pact of 1939? Get a crazy angry moron to fill in the abysmal gaps in your knowledge and understanding.
Hope this helps, Big Bad Jon and Doper Lee, because you need help.
Hey you ignorant wingfucks, if Nazis were socialists, how come Hitler persecuted and murdered socialists and sucked up to Germany’s industrial capitalists (see, e.g., Gustav and Alfried Krupp)?
Part of what is going on here is that Bechista/palinista Repubican Remnant are practiced in misusing words.
The word “communism” is misused. Hitler WAS a Communist in much the same sense as Stalin, that is both believed in totalitarian governments and the primacy of the state over the people.
Marx would have been in the camps in Germany, both for his politics and for his descent.
This versionb of Newspeak degrades discussion, a tactic both Stalin (as the creator of the Soviet propaganda institutions, and Goebells understood very well and the staple of a Glen Beck et al.
There are PLENTY of examples of this on the left as well. Here is a list of terms that no longer have rational meaning:
socialism
preventative medicine
pro life
medical marijuana
right to bear arms
free speech
fascism
racism
tolerance
God
etc etc.
Orwell would understand.
@13 Darryl
McCain, FWIW, DID buddy with the contras.
Let me ask you this. Does Baird think dissent is unpatriotic?
@7 demo kid
Hagee is far worse than Wright, Do you knkows abiut the efforts his community has made to undermine the Air Force Academy?
@w27 Troll
Surely you understand the difference between dissent and obstructing free speech. How are these troglydites different from their nit left equivalents who packed efforts by anyoe to speak out the War? .. of from pro Fatahniks who who drown out speeches on the middle east?
@9
This could be the stupidest comment in the history of this blog. I don’t even know where to begin.
Blame the Jews ->Blame the Republicans
Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews for being too liberal and too aligned with Communists. He also blamed them for not being patriotic enough during World War I and for being too pacifist. Numerous times, he refers to Jews and the liberal press as part and parcel of the same dynamic. This comparison doesn’t hold in any way. It’s utterly retarded.
Nationalize Industries -> Nationalize Industries
The Democrats have absolutely no interest in nationalizing industries to the extent that Nazi Germany did. That said, the motivation behind the Nazi nationalization was to consolidate power for the existing upper class, which is actually more similar to how the Republicans have been merging the interests of large corporations with the legislation that Congress produces. Again, your comparison falls on its face.
Brown shirts -> Purple shirts SEIU
Wow! The brownshirts fought the labor unions! Pick up a history book!
Goebbels -> Axelrod
Really? How so?
HA -> Hitler youth
My god, do you even care how much you’re embarrassing yourself? As I said, this may be the dumbest comment in the history of this website. Read the passage from Mein Kampf that I posted above and ask yourself if those words fit more closely with the American left today or the American right. If you think it fits the American left, you’re clearly too stupid to participate in a discussion of politics.
I usually reserve the term “nazis” for the anti-democratic thugs who refuse to accept the outcome of elections, or try to de-legitimize elections (& other public events) because they don’t want the other side to even be put forward.
Sorta like the birthers, the death panel thugs, & the uber-environmentalists like the owner of this site
who insist that the referenda on the bag tax MUST not be legitimate, the vote MUST be repeated ad infinitum (sorta like the issue of what to do w/ the viaduct) until the stupid voters vote the RIGHT way.
cause it doesn’t agree w/ his nazi environmentalist pre-conceived attitude that will not accept any deviance from the party line.
Interesting opinion piece on the same subject:
Note, the details are scanty, but the man gets the gist of what is being said in the comparison between nazism and the current efforts by the Democrats to create a whole new paradigm in medical care coverage. The people that are saying these things are the same sort of people who were going around London and New York City, smashing automatic looms because their weaving jobs were being usurped by machinery.
It is always the same, new ideas, new illustrations of problems within an existing system are met with resistance, often violent, mostly rhetorical, but always rooted in ignorance of the problems that emerge with the existing system. Such people flatly refuse to even look at what is right in front of their eyes, it disturbs their nice, comfortable little world too much. Even when that world would become a better place if that source of stress, that problem, no longer had to become a disaster when the need for the service exceeded their financial ability to access it.
We can solve the health insurance crisis, we can solve the massive debt structures created by the current system to maintain that boot-on-the-neck of the American people. Debt is slavery. Debt and the systemic maintenance that creates that debt is tyranny. Corporations should never be allowed to tyrannize citizens that have no choice but to use they system they present as being the only solution to the emergent problem.
Debts incurred by medical care are the number one cause of ALL personal bankruptcies in this country. Over 50% of all personal bankruptcies are founded in overwhelming medical debts.
A man can go from owning property, being happy, to becoming a slave with no life of his own, because of debts incurred by doing the right thing and seeking medical care for himself or his family. Insurance is no guarantee of relief of that, all too often the insurance company will chisel the payout, or deny it altogether. That leaves the individual holding the bag on massive, overwhelming debts that stay with him or her for the rest of their lives. Whole estates are regularly confiscated by these companies after the death of the individual who used their services.
We incarcerate people for refusing to take their kids to a doctor when those kids die from what would have been a curable medical problem. Are we going to start prosecuting people for refusing to take on debts related to medical care? This is a rationale for the system as it exists now. Are we going to start prosecuting people for exceeding credit limits when they max out every resource to pay off medical bills?
This was actually proposed in congress back in 2003 as a solution to the problem of debts related to medical care. Congress was aware of the crisis 25 years ago. They refused to even address the issue untill the Hospital companies started demanding a solution, with the only consideration being that of protecting their buisiness.
Certainly, the private prison industry is slavering at the thought. They’ll charge you with incurring too much debt, then charge you for the time you are incarcerated, and make you work forever in a slave pen to repay a debt to a private buisiness at a rate of pay that guarantees the permanent state of debt to you, and everyone in your family. Coal companies used to work this way. The English had this system so well emplaced in their culture that everyone in a family could be imprisoned for debt incurred generations before.
Achilles had the right idea. Just cut the knot. It is just too complex and too tighty stressed to try to untangle it. Take the corporations out of the system completely. They are not doing anything except protecting their now fatally wounded cash cow.
Um… “militarism, nationalism, anti-communism” Sounds like Reagan, not Obama.
@32 – Yeah, because the Jews were notorious Nazis.
These people have to be joking.
& a “sieg heil” to #37 back atcha
if the swastika fits, wear it, ya anti-democracy loons
But Nancy Pelosi said she was a fan of disruptors.
http://www.breitbart.tv/06-fla.....isruptors/
Oh wait, maybe she’s only a fan of disrupting protesters if they support her views.
Rabbit kicks in where he left off more than a year ago: Hitler was not a variation on the theme of socialism because he killed communists (along with Christians, Jews, capitalists, Gypsies, gays, and other socialists.)
But socialists of the nationalist or soviet type typically killed their socialist rivals. Read about Stalin’s war against Kirov, Trotsky, and the thousands or millions who were murdered by Stalin during the purges of the 1930s. Many of the murdered were old Bolshevik comrades.
As for throwing around the Hitler trope, we learned it from you. Here’s socialist Hal Draper’s comments from the 1960s about Ronald Hitler Reagan, governor of Cali-fucking-nazifornia:
Troll @ 38,
Ask your mommy about the difference between a disruption at a public meeting to make a point versus attempting to shut down a public meeting.
Oh…wait…your a troll!
…what was I thinking?
NewSpeak
I just made a post at SJ that is relevant.
This kind of newspeak is inevitable BUT its intent is to block discussion.
examples:
Calling marijuana “medical” Marijuana is not more medical than the fungus used to make penicillin.
Calling marijuana a “drug” err yeh .. so are coffee, glucose, chocolate, ????
Calling opposition to abortion “pro life” .. and then killing Dr. Teller???
Calling the carrying of an AK 47 (not even a good ‘ol American gun) an acto of free speech
Saying youir church only wants to “save” the Jews.
Claiming the Israelis sold Palestinian organs?
This sort of thing needs a work of its own, but for now I will call it newspeak. Newspeak makes language unusable.
@40
Can I please see your proof that town hall protesters were trying to shut down the meetings?
@32
That the Nazi’s were any sort of environmentalist or that our environmental movement draws anything from the Nazi’s is a canard.
The environmental movement started with Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot, both of whom were Republicans. The first federal legislation to address air pollution was enacted in 1955 by President Einserhour. The Clean Water Act was enacted by President Nixon. The Water Quality Act became law in 1987 with the Support of President Reagan.
Damn Republican Nazi’s…
If you go back and read Goldy’s post about the bag amendment again you might just see that he was pointing out how much work the Chemistry Council threw our local media outlets with their opposition to the bag amendment.
@40
Oh wait, you mean shut down meetings like this account of liberals trying to prevent others from the freedom of assembly and free speech during WTO?
“Once downtown, protesters are told to arrange themselves into human chains, blocking off the intersections from foot and vehicle traffic. The idea is effectively to shut down the WTO by making it impossible for delegates to get from their hotels to events, including this morning’s opening ceremonies at the downtown Paramount Theatre.
And that’s precisely what happens. One by one, delegates try to make their way to the opening ceremonies, only to be met by crowds of protesters blockading the streets, arms attached. When the delegates try to dart down an alley or back into their hotels, the human chain widens, and the protesters block off those entrances, too. It’s kind of like urban musical chairs, and the delegates can’t find a place to sit.
I hang out at one intersection for a half-hour or so, and in that period, the protesters block about 10 people from entering the WTO opening ceremonies. Many of the delegates smile and try peacefully to negotiate their way past the human chains, but the protesters smile back, and refuse to let them pass. A few attempt forcibly to push through, but they, too, are repelled.
It’s pretty amazing to watch this all unfold. Within an hour or so, the protesters have built human chains within every major downtown intersection and outside almost all of the downtown hotels.”
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/a.....9/WTO.html
Here’s something almost apropos from neo-communist Lance Selfa:
That last bit about the arsenal/millitary-industrial complex is a complex muddle. The complex didn’t get play until Eisenhower’s farewell. He intended to blast the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex of Democrats, such as Kennedy, who lied about bomber gaps and missile gaps. Kennedy Democrats wanted to throw billions and billions at the weapons lobby that Goldycrats claimed had been starved by Eisenhower Republicans.
What a discovery! A right wing Republican blogs on corruption in his own party.
By all accounts his writing is to the point and fair
http://anticorruptionrepublican.blogspot.com/
But to the brownshirts who come here, he’s a “leftist”.
44 T
That must mean it’s OK for you too! You clever thing, you found the loophole!
Troll @ 44,
“Oh wait, you mean shut down meetings like this account of liberals trying to prevent others from the freedom of assembly and free speech during WTO?”
I agree with you…directly acting to shut down the WTO meetings would not be patriotic. Of couse, the attempts to shut down the WTO were largely symbolic. And, aside from some anarchist kooks who took over a building, protestors were not going into meetings and shutting them down.
So does that mean you agree that the people shutting down town halls are acting like brownshirts?
@31
I must have touched a nerve there, eh Lee?
“Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews”
“Obama and the Democrats blame the Republicans…
Pick your target of popular discontent, polarize it, make it personal. – Saul Alinksy
“The Democrats have absolutely no interest in nationalizing industries to the extent that Nazi Germany did”
Too late for that argument.
Personal army of violent thugs:
Nazi -> Brown shirts
Dem -> Purple shirts
Do we need the Youtube video of the SEIU beating a black man reposted?
Axelrod is Obama’s minister of information. Check who’s paying his old firm, AKPD, big bucks for health care propaganda. And ol’ Axe is still getting his cut. He’s owed $2 million over the next two years as part of his buy-off, er buy-out. Almost like Cheney and Halliburton, except with money and influence this time.
And you are right about the Horsesass faithful, the Hitler youth had adult leadership and we’re allowed to carry knives.
Democrats have nationalized no industry. The US government has purchased a 60% majority ownership stake in ONE of the so-called (and tattered) “Big Three” automakers as part of its (GM’s) bid for bankruptcy protection. Every other US automaker and the many others who operate here are quite private, thank you.
And as soon as the US government sell off enough of GM to pay off its stake, we’re out of there. But breathless claims of the government “nationalizing an industry” are deceitful and misleading.
48 – Way to go Del with stirring up some Alinsky fear, paranoia, loathing.
You fiends are so freaked out by Alinsky you’re reading and learning from him yourselves.
http://www.onthemedia.org/tran.....9/08/07/01
You’ve become what you supposedly fear and loathe. It’s too funny!
48 del
You naive child. The Nazis used brownshirts to go after political opponents while they were gaining power. Democrats used blogs to get out the truth, and then used something called “ballots” to get elected. You guys shoudl try it sometime, whenever you run the crazy fuckers out of your party.
But Democrats don’t need a “personal army.” Effectively, Democrats control the Congress and the Executive Branch. The FBI. The Justive Department. The US armed forces. The Secret Service. The BATF. With all of this, why would they feel so insecure or powerless that they would need a few brawlers from the SEIU? Not that logic is your strong suit, but that doesn’t make sense.
And by the way, you guys should really make up your minds. Which is it, does the SEIU control the Democrats, or the Democrats control the SEIU?
FYI, the Democratic leadership are beholden to the voters, and the SEIU leadership are beholden to their membership, who elect them democratically.
You’ve never even been in a union, have you?
Oh my! My sides are splitting….
Kenny the hustler and his 15 seconds of fame…
http://www.newmajority.com/can-we-get-a-grip
But what does the “axis of evil” right winger know? He’s a Canadian just like Mark Steyn!!
This idiocy is just too entertaining. I gotta stop now!
And Republicans blame the Democrats.
But everyone still remembers who drove this country off a cliff over the last eight years, so good luck with that.
I don’t think anyone should forget how the Democrats are going to infect the US with swine flu this fall in order to pass health insurance reform, which will seal the fate of both capitalism and Republicans.
@48
LOL!! Was that supposed to be some kind of response?
None of what you posted there even comes close to disproving what I wrote in comment #31. Please pick up a history book and stop embarrassing yourself. Believing that the Nazi’s have a lot of similarity to today’s American left is every bit as ridiculous as believing that the South was fighting against slavery in the Civil War.
And what are these idiots doing carrying weapons to a protest?
Doesn’t the right wing believe in non-violent dissent?
Apparently not. The right wing has been losing at the ballot box since even before 2006 and there’s little hope of that ending soon.
Like Tim McVeigh showed us, they appear to be on the brink.
I am Republican – I will support anything that any idiot says.
@6: Compare the mileage the Democrats got out of Hagee with what Republicans got out of Wright.
Ummm demo kid or is that dumb-o-kid? Did McCain sit in Hagee’s congregation for decades? Did McCain say Hagee was his spiritual advisor? Didn’t “the messiah” sit in Wright’s church, give Wright $22,500 in donations in late 2007-2008? Didn’t “the messiah” tell the world Dr Wright was his spiritual advisor, only to throw him under the bus when the heat got too hot in the kitchen?
Dummocrapts could not get mileage out of Hagee because there was no road to travel upon unlike “the messiah” and Dr Wright.
Because the Krupps threw big money into the Nazi party to save it in 1932 Pelletizer. This gave them the right to run Hitler’s armament factories. Some think the Krupps were Illuminati members.
@59
I hope you are claiming that as a joke, because if you take such things seriously, that way lies madness.
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@61
Still better than your hero chimpy ever had.
62. Chris Stefan spews:
I was never a fan of Bush…never, especially on Fiscal issues. Bush is not a true Conservative.
Plus, Bush had years of ratings better than what Obama shows today.
More & more MISTRUST Obama.
Obama has lost America’s trust.
Can he regain it??
It’s tougher to regain than lose!
The essential split is between those who believe in collective (in reality,political), centralized decision making and those who believe in personal liberty and choice. Mussolini was someone who saw little difference between his previous ideology of communism and his adoption of Fascism.
“Some think the Krupps were Illuminati members.”
What the fuck does that have to do with anything, Puddy Kuricbud? The Illuminati behind 9/11 no doubt? Jeez. Shades of The John Birch Society!
You are going over the edge.
What Nazi group or individual supports Obama? If he were aNazi, wouldn’t he have Nazi supporters?
re 63: I guess that’s why conservativism never works — because your leaders are not real conservatives — just like our leaders are not real Liberals or Progressives.
Is the point sinking in yet?
Fascism is a collusion between big business and government to maximize control of citizens and (what they think is) maximization of profit.
We are both trying to work our agenda in a Fascist environment.
@28 No. Muzzling dissenters is a Republican shtick. (See, e.g., Watergate burglary and Bush townhall arrests.) Democrats like Baird don’t do that. All we do is call the cops when Republicans riot.
Proudtobeanass: WTF does this have to do with anything fool
It’s because Pelletizer has no grip on historical facts proudtobeanass. Yet you give him a pass.
Did you read the “Brownshirts” link from Another TJ? Look up Night of the LongKnives. It gives you much information around how the Nazis left socialism in the 1930s during the Depresssion. But then of course Pelletizer is historically ignorant.
See ya Proud. Stay an historical ASS!
@70
The Nazi’s were never real socialists. There were some who saw American capitalism as a threat on par with Communism, but the Night of the Long Knives was Hitler’s effort to defeat that wing of the National Socialist movement.
Historical Revisionist @70: The “Night of the Long Knives” had nothing to do with socialists or socialism. That’s a fact; and all of your verbal somersaults can’t change historical facts.
Pelletizer@72 Before you call anyone a historical revisionist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.....ong_Knives.
Lee, as the article opens…”The SA (sometimes known as the “Stormtroopers” or “Brownshirts”) was the paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party that played a key role in the Nazi rise to power in the 1920s, culminating with Hitler’s appointment as German chancellor in 1933.”
Further in “By the summer of 1933, the Sturmabteilung (SA) had grown discontented with the progress of the Nazi regime. Many had taken seriously the socialism of National Socialism and were angry at Hitler and the other party leaders for abandoning socialist principles.”
Roger Rabbit Quiz
Which of the following protesters most nearly resembles a Nazi brownshirt?
(1) This liberal protester getting her hair yanked by a Republican thug: http://tinyurl.com/nr7gcu
or
(2) This conservative protester brandishing a firearm at a health care townhall: http://tinyurl.com/ll86vs
What Puddy thinks is funny is how Another TJ calls people who are demonstrating against “the messiah’s proposed socialist health care system” as they see it “brownshirts”, who were for socialism.
Roger Rabbit Quiz #2
Whose beliefs most closely resembles Hitler’s?
(1) President Obama, who believes all Americans should have access to affordable health care.
(2) Ann Coulter, who believes liberals should be put in concentration camps and executed.
@75 What I think is hilarious is your lame attempt to pose as educated.
Historical revisionist @75: Go read Fest’s biography of Hitler, then report back here.
Puddy agrees that @76 is correct about @75.
Ahhh … mystery solved … I know where poodlehead is getting this horseshit … http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....3131/posts
Thanks for the information Pelletizer. Puddy never saw this before. Puddy loves to read new material.
Here’s a little light reading to supplement your perusal of Wikipedia, lap poodle:
[Copied Text Deleted]
Quoted under fair use; footnotes omitted. For complete article see: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
@81 “Puddy loves to read new material”
In that case, skip through my comment #82 to the link at the bottom and read the entire article that I quoted from, then report back here.
@81 (continued) Personally, poodlehead, I think you’re marching on command. That’s right, the Republican Noise Machine proclaimed that Hitler was a “socialist,” and the wingnut websites all fell into line and indoctrinated all the good little wingnuts with this thesis, and then your wingnut masters blew a whistle and all of you wingnuts starting regurgitating the new mantra from Wingnut Propaganda Central: “Hitler was a socialist.”
Poodlehead, you’ve never had an original thought in your life. All you know how to do is post wingnut crap on command when the whistle blows.
So, given that you claim not to have gotten this wingnut horseshit from Freep, would you like to tell us which wingnut website you did get it from? You certainly didn’t think of it yourself — you’re not that smart — so you had to get it somewhere. Not that it makes any difference, because all the wingnut blogs are saying the same thing: “Hitler was a socialist.” And poodle, good little wingnut that he is, marches to the drummer.
Hey Pelletizer, Hitler a vegetarian?
Yep Hitler was really a vegetarian…From WikiPedia Pelletizer..
“”On page 89 of The Gourmet Cooking School Cookbook (1964), Dione Lucas, recalling her pre-World War II stint as a hotel chef in Hamburg, Germany, states: ‘I do not mean to spoil your appetites for stuffed squab, but you might be interested to know that it was a great favorite with Mr. Hitler, who dined at the hotel often. Let us not hold that against a fine recipe though.'””
Idiot @85, 86 — Beat you to it, see #82 about 2/3rds of the way down. Yes, Hitler was a vegetarian — because he associated eating meat with the death of his girlfriend:
“Hitler’s vegetarianism had nothing to do with his political beliefs. He became a vegetarian shortly after the death of his girlfriend and half-niece, Geli Raubal. … Hitler would remain deeply distraught … for the rest of his life. As one historian writes: ‘Curiously, shortly after her death, Hitler looked with disdain on a piece of ham being served during breakfast and refused to eat it, saying it was like eating a corpse. From that moment on, he refused to eat meat.’ Hitler’s vegetarianism, then, was no more than a phobia, triggered by an association with his niece’s death.”
Nevertheless, from this anecdotal bit of information, poodlehead extrapolates that “Hitler was a socialist.” That takes quite a leap of imagination — much more imagination than poodle is capable of. All poodle does is regurgitate it on cue like a laboratory rat looking for the cheese when the bell rings.
I have definitely proved tonight that poodlehead is an unthinking automaton who posts talking points issued to him by Wingnut Central when an operative pushes a cue button.
Good night.
@49
“Democrats have nationalized no industry.”
Except 2/3 of the big three automakers, most of the banks, and they’re trying for the healthcare system.
Dumbass.
So Pelletizer, Hitler didn’t have a Eugenics program?
Hitler biographer, Thomas Fuchs, in his book, A Concise Biography of Adolf Hitler (New York: Berkeley, 2000, p.78), also confirms that Hitler was not a vegetarian.
In the New York Times of May 30 1937, in an article entitled “Where Hitler Dreams and Plans,” Times reporter Otto D. Tolschuss wrote, “It is well known that Hitler is vegetarian and does not drink or smoke. His lunch and dinner consist, therefore, for the most part of soup, eggs, vegetables and mineral water, although he occasionally relishes a slice of ham and relieves the tediousness of his diet with such delicacies as caviar, luscious fruits and similar tidbits.”
From Puddy’s SuperVegan link above.
Yep Puddy posts from WikiPedia, definitely not right-wing web site! And this is the feral dumb bunny who told us all about Haiti.
Even a Salon editorial has something to say on that Pelletizer…http://letters.salon.com/books.....w/?show=ec This was an editor’s choice!
how come you guys never talk about stalin, who killed millions more people than hitler did?
Poor Lambchop. He’s gone so far around the bend that his imagination has to create old people for whom he can be offended. Don’t worry, sweetie, THEY’LL appreciate you, not like those real Americans with their insistence on facts and stuff.
You’re a hero to the imaginary elderly! Meaning for your life! Huzzah!
Stupid Another Total Jerk…
The video Puddy placed with the old people complaining was Nancy Stretch Pelosi’s office in San FranFreako. Contact your cousin ylb-wondermoron because he claims to have every HA PuddyMissive. But that’s okay to Another Total Jerk, because he received his morning marching orders from TPM. Since it is apparent the truth bothers you and you have to create fallacies and fantasies, you are one sick freako.
“Freak Out” Another Total Jerk.
@94
Well, he has been going on about the Illuminati lately. Babbling such nonsense in public is typically seen as a sure sign one’s tinfoil hat is perhaps a bit too tight.
@93
Well first nobody other than some real fringe types really doubts Stalin was a communist. Second comparing someone to Stalin just doesn’t have quite the emotional weight as comparing someone to Hitler. Finally calling someone a commie makes one sound like some sort of cold war relic rather than intensifying the poo throwing like calling people Nazis does.
Chris@96,
Babbling from historical records? Historical records are what they are. Too bad your Kos decoder ring can’t change it.
@89 False on all 3 points, dumbass.
@90 He did, and I didn’t say he didn’t; so, what’s your point? Do you have one?
@91 A minor book by an unknown author who, as far as I can determine, conducted no original research and contributed nothing new to our historical knowledge. Why don’t you try reading real books, poodlehead, instead of this Dick And Jane stuff?
LOL! You tell everybody this Stupes. Over and over again.
You’re so full of fear! You so skeeeeeeereed!
Keep stewing. This is entertaining to see.
@92 Now poodle links us to an irrelevant letter-to-the-editor about Wikipedia and the evils of self-publishing. And this has to do with what? Nothing we’ve been discussing so far as I can determine. Opinions are like assholes, poodle — everybody’s got one.
The opinion currently on the table is that of rightwing spinmeisters who assert “Hitler was a socialist” for the purpose of linking Obama and health are reform to Nazism. That’s right, folks, in the Republican mind affordable health care for all is the same thing as Nazi genocide.
Meanwhile, at townhall meetings where some of us are trying to conduct a serious discussion about health care, Republican protesters behave like Hitler Brownshirts — shouting people down, spreading lies, and brandishing guns.
Poodle’s response to the brownshirt behavior of Republican thugs is to claim Hitler wasn’t a vegetarian after all. What does that have to do with anything?
Poodle and the rest of the rightwing leemings probably get their “information” from “The Hitler Diaries.” They seem to have an affinity for frauds, hoaxes, and forgeries of all kinds.
@96 If he ever stuck his head in a microwave to kill himself he’d merely blow out the element.
@98 This coming from someone who has so little respect for historical fact that he uses it as toilet paper.
OK…we go with the re-education camps.
NOW!!!!
Can these fuck-heads READ? THINK??? Understand fucking ANYTHING???? Are they ALL from TEXAS??????
Fuck.
The stupid…it’s like hydrochloric acid.
Shit for brains @89:
na⋅tion⋅al⋅ize
/ˈnæʃənlˌaɪz, ˈnæʃnəˌlaɪz/ [nash-uh-nl-ahyz, nash-nuh-lahyz] , -ized, -iz⋅ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to bring under the ownership or control of a nation, as industries and land: a movement to nationalize the oil industry.
2. to make into a nation.
3. to naturalize.
4. to make national in extent or scope: a magazine article that nationalized a local problem.
Nothing has been “nationalized” in the US. The US neither ‘owns’ nor ‘controls’ any bank or auto manufacturer.
Good god, the right wing is entirely populated by functionally illiterate morons.
No wondermoron you told everyone you had them when you threw up the Mike Webb “dancing on his grave” chronological mistake.
You forgot that already since it showed how stupid you really are!
Pelletizer@100, it was you who threw this up as your Hitler “proof point”
Eugenics is something the leftist pinheads promulgated. Margaret Sanger, Oliver Wendell Holmes John D. Rockefeller etc. What a moron de dumb bunny is. He can’t remember what he posts from his copied links.
So Pelletizer throws up a link using material from William Shirer while dismissing others who interviewed a personal chef to Hitler and others who watched Hitler eat.
Yep standard moonbattery.
@104 WTF? More delusional rantings from the oxygen starved mind of the dumb bunny. You fell off the rocker today?
Rog–@82
Gee, Jon & Lee delete anything I cut-and-paste that is more that a paragraph!!
Double-standard??
Obviously!
Cynical, they pity the dumb feral bunny.
Mr Cynical @ 114,
“Gee, Jon & Lee delete anything I cut-and-paste that is more that a paragraph!!”
If you copy a paragraph from an article that is two paragraphs long, then yes, that likely violates the comment policy. This may help you understand the concept.
“Double-standard?”
No…I just didn’t see it.
Sorry Wascally Wabbit.
Mission Accompwished!
110 – My recollection is that I said the tools were “almost” at hand.
And yes, I’m right!
http://horsesass.org/?p=17726#comment-929126
As usual you are full of bullshit.
Angry white rural home-schoolin’ disabled military dude rants and repeats myths he learned on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Nothing new here.
Gee, I wonder if he was acting out his own personal frustrations and challenges? This is the new Right Wing Victim Complex mantra: “somebody ELSE is to blame for that bad things that go on in my life. Gotta take it out on the guv’mint!”
Nobody has EVER said that the dumbassknownaspuddy lacks for chutzpah…
…he just lacks basic reading comprehension, reasoning ability, intellectual rigor and comman sense.
When I watch his feeble attempts at besting the Rabbit at word to word combat I think of say, a football contest…one team is oh…the College of William and Mary.
The other team is the New England Patriots.
Same result…total annihilation.
Just so you know pudster, old pal…
…your feeble efforts are really fucking funny in a pathetic sort of way. I love it that you try soooooooo hard.
@118 “This is the new Right Wing Victim Complex mantra: “somebody ELSE is to blame for that bad things that go on in my life. Gotta take it out on the guv’mint!””
Nothing the least bit new about that.
@98
Oh puddy, historical “fact” or not, bringing up the Illuminati tends to get you labeled as a conspiracy nut. The Bilderburger Group and the Tri-Lateral Commission may be real organizations too but bringing them up in anything other than the narrowest of contexts similarly will get you dismissed as a conspiracy loon.
In other words if you want us to take you even halfway seriously don’t start talking like someone who’s tinfoil hat is a bit too tight.
My God, reading “delberts” comments reminds me why we should be teaching history better in school – along with a few other things, like classical rhetoric.
You see, the Republicans (including Delbert) are simply trying to create yet another straw-man, which according to classical Greek rhetoric is a logical fallacy, the creation by rhetorical devices of an opponant who is intentionally so unsupportable that he is easy to deride or dismiss. In other words, he is building an opponant as a “man of straw”, putting a sign on it with the name of his opponant, and then laughing at how easy it is to knock it down.
That’s exactly the approach the Republicans have taken in this health-care debate. They aren’t debating the actual bills, because they know that if they did, they would lose. They are constructing a straw-man of a bill, one that no one would support, and then encouraging everyone to come out against it. The problem is, it has no relationship at all with the proposals being suggested.
But it’s particularly discouraging to hear them try to equate an attempt to broaden health care access for all with an organization which killed in excess of 6 million directly in the Holocaust, and another 20 million plus in their quest for world conquest. Using such terms in a political debate over health care trivializes the crims of the Nazis, and they should be ashamed and embarrased. Every WWII vet should come come out in force and shame them for uttering such nonsense.
Chris, Puddy brought up Illuminati because it’s historical record. Puddy should not bring up Eugenics as historical record because progressives supported it?
It’s amazing how rujax! focuses on one little thing vegetarianism, twisted by Pelletizer and he claims victory? He provided one link. First he accused Puddy of using Free Republic. That failed so he went on his “rampage” looking for something to place on the blog. Puddy provides the left-leaning WikiPedia for historical record and you dismiss it?
Puddy will remember Monday August 24, 2009 as the day rujax! claimed Puddy’s use of WikiPedia doesn’t measure up to Pelletizer using William Shirer
wondermoron@117,
First fool, since you usually don’t say anything of essence here, you were the one bragging about your “special project”. So what Puddy didn’t get your non-sensical comment perfectly right. You don’t ever bring it… you piggy back on others comments. Hence monomaniacal. Since your tools are at hand Puddy will continue to tell all HA Libtardos to get PuddyMissives from the monomaniacal chronologically challenged clueless wondermoron, HMNMT. – YOU fool!
To show how stupid rujax! is, without looking it up rujax! how much did John Rockefeller give the Germans to study Eugenics? And rujax! who was the head honcho in Germany’s eugenics program?
Puddy knows rujax! has to cheat cuz he’s another historical moron.
Orly,
Those imaginary people on whose behalf you are offended will be SO grateful! WOLVERINES!!!
Christ, Puddy…who gives a flying fuck about some fucking irrelevant bullshit about John Rockefeller and motherfucking eugenics.
More irrelevance and diversionary horseshit from some little loser fuckhead, Puddy…
Holy fucking shit you are just fucking dense.
So there’s some quote on this thread somewhere where Rujax! alluded to vegetarianism? Fine. Prove it dumbfuck.
Gads…if you are the best your side has there is absolutely no futher explanation needed for republican irrelevance.
109 worf
Wrong. The US government owns 60% of GM, which is a controlling interest.
Delbert is an idiot, but the US DOES own GM. However, I agree with you that it does not fit any practical definition of nationalization.
Hey dumbfuck rujax @130. There you go again. Puddy didn’t say you said vegetarianism.
This is why you are as dumb as a clusterfucked cinderblock.