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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Rog from a prior thread–
    @57 “It’s a pop-pop-pop vs. BOOM thing, Cynical”

    Do you mean BOOM as in the stock you road down the tubes??


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    Another lie from Martin Sheen. This one concerns 9/11:

    “Up until last year, I was very dubious, I did not want to believe that my government could possibly be involved in such a thing, I could not live in a country that I thought could do that – that would be the ultimate betrayal. However, there have been so many revelations that now I have my doubts, and chief among them is Building 7 – how did they rig that building so that it came down on the evening of the day?”

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Look at buying Waste Management today under $30. With the huge dropped in fuel prices (oil at $73 and unleaded gas @ $1.73 this AM), WMI will profit immensely as they have raised garbage rates when fuel was high.
    You KLOWNS do create lots of garbage and poop. So invest in WMI and Sewage Treatment Plants.

  4. 4

    YellowPup spews:

    Glad there has been some kind of response, it’s been so annoying seeing Sheen’s ads on television going unquestioned.

  5. 7

    Ekim spews:

    Have you noticed that Mr. Cynical is like the Go-PP as a whole? Both are becoming increasingly irrelevant to the world around them.

  6. 9

    WheresHilary? spews:

    This initiative is a bad idea. This from a centrist, non-religious voter. It will give the insurance companies more reasons to deny treatment. See how this works in counries with socialized medicine and Oregon. Sounds sensible but it is not.

  7. 10

    headless lucy spews:

    Martin Sheen is a staunch Catholic. His opposition to this measure stems from his religious beliefs.

    Maybe he should clarify this in his opposition to this measure.

  8. 11

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Sold JRCC @ 16.10…BOT yesterday @ 14.90.

    3. Mr. Cynical spews:

    Bought JRCC @ 14.90 today.
    This one is a flyer.

    10/15/2008 at 3:36 pm

    Made $2400. Must just grate on you GBS!!
    Get out of your shell and trade you fool.
    Bitching about Republicans isn’t going to put Tenderloins & Cabernet on the table!

    BOT WMI @ $29.50.
    It’s down a bit from there.
    Crazy Market.
    Oil was under $70.
    Unleaded Gas hit $1.62/gallon.
    Gas prices will soon plummet.

    Also looking at Apple. Hit below $92.
    I’m looking under $90.

  9. 12

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Waste Management traded as low as $28.57.
    It is now around $29.
    I BOT 1,000 shares @ $29.50
    Will buy another 1,000 if it hits $28.50.

    Buy this sucker.
    One of it’s major costs is fuel…which is plummetting. People still have garbage. So do businesses. Rates were increased when fuel high.

  10. 13

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    From Today’s Rasmussen:

    Thursday, October 16, 2008
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 46%. It’s the first time since September 25 that McCain’s support has reached 46%.

    Like I have been saying, this race will tighten up. I still think O-blah-blah will win…but probably by 2-3 points. If the race tightens beyond that, it is possible O-blah-blah could win the popular vote & lose the Election. Wouldn’t that just make you KLOWNS go nuts!….I mean NUTTIER!!

  11. 14

    SeattleJew spews:

    I met with Nancy N., the spokesperson for I-10O0 at DL Tuesday and saw much of the same thing Lee does here. Nancy is on a crusade, driven by the horror of her husband’s death. I began to feel she was supporting I-1000 out of revenge rather than compassion. Others at our table, including a supporter of I-1000, were shocked.

    As in Lee’s earlier diatribe against Joel, she gave me an earful about the Church to the point I had to keep telling her I am not a Catholic. Apparently she was raised in the Church and has turned against it. That is fine by me, but whatever gripe she has with Catholicism is hardly a reason to diss Catholics for taking a moral stand.

    I tried to switch the subject to concerns about misuse of I-1000 in the treatment of poor people, unable to afford expensive terminal care unless they impoverish themselves to get on Medicare. Nancy attacked me … saying her husband was “not affluent.” She reminded me of McCain trying to define an income of $250,000 as middle class.

    Finally, in the most bizarre thing of all, she said that placing this terribly private matter in the public sphere, was a good thing! Having just watched my own Dad go through a terminal illness, I am grateful for not having had to register his decisions with the government, ask two docs to certify them and then subject all of us to sdome psychologist’s effort to determine whether the emotions associated with his last days comprised “depression.”

    I tried to be gentle and argued that even good intents can go awry. We talked about the effects of HIPPA. HIPPA is an federal act meant to protect all of use from insurance companies misuse of our health data. As someone with a couple of chronic diseases, I can tell you that somehow the effin drug companies and insurance companies have gamed this system and have free access to my data while my own physicians now need to leap over HIPPA to just talk to each other.

    For what it is worth to HA readers, estimates of what HIPPA has cost now run into the billions, not only in health care but massive increases in bureaucracy associated with medical research.

    Nancy told me she did not care about how much HIPPA cost, the medical system deserved what it got. I was left thinking she is out to revenge her husband’s death.

    I do not mean to tar all supporters of I-1000 with this brush. I would vote for a different version for the law. But, saying people lie, dismissing arguments that come from religion, and faili8ng to show concern for the poor … these tactics are abhorrent.

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    Geov spews:

    @9: What planet are you on? Under Washington law, insurance companies can and always do deny treatment to the most seriously ill eight percent of the population. This includes anyone who is terminally ill, without exception. It’s been well over a decade since anyone with a serious chronic or terminal illness could buy private insurance in this state.

    Incidentally, since many terminally ill folks (including almost everyone over 65) are either on Medicare or in the state’s high risk pool (WSHIP), this also puts the lie to the idea that private insurance companies will pressure…I dunno…someone to induce people kill themselves. Insurance companies got out of the business of insuring sick people some time ago. Now it’s mostly taxpayers or nobody who does that.

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    Geov spews:

    @14: SJ:

    “I tried to switch the subject to concerns about misuse of I-1000 in the treatment of poor people, unable to afford expensive terminal care unless they impoverish themselves to get on Medicare.”

    Seattle Jew, there’s no means testing in Medicare. You qualify either by being over 65 or being disabled. Many terminal illnesses (including mine) automatically qualify you for disability coverage.

    The “the ill will get pressured to kill themselves” line is such a red herring on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to start; in ten years of experience with an almost identical law, there’s been no evidence of this sort of abuse in Oregon. There are too many safeguards against it. As noted above, most seriously ill folks in our state don’t have private insurance. And as someone who’s been and will again be in this category, the idea that being physically ill also renders one incapable of making one’s own decisions is, frankly, pretty insulting.

    But if you’re going to spin this fairy tale, at least get your facts straight.

  14. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Wrong again, Cynical! Pull your head out of your ass, you old fart. I was talking about guns, not stocks. They ain’t the same.

  15. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Why do Republicans like McCain continually complain about the class warfare they’re waging against workers?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 Keep living in your fantasy world, Cynical! The sky is falling on you Republicans. It’s too bad that millions of ordinary working class Americans have to lose their jobs and life savings before realizing that Republicans are all about greed and taking from others to give to themselves, but better late than never.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @15 This is the issue I wish Obama had talked about in the debates: People who pay insurance premiums, and think they’re insured, discover their insurance companies won’t pay if they get an expensive illness. That makes all of us uninsured.

    This is the biggest scandal of all in private health insurance: The companies take your premium money, and then if an insured event occurs, they renege the contract in the belief most people can’t afford to sue, and the lawsuits they lose will cost far less than the extra profits they’ll make by refusing to deliver the coverage their customers paid for. This is consumer fraud, pure and simple, on a massive scale.

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Roger Rabbit spews:
    “@1 Wrong again, Cynical! Pull your head out of your ass, you old fart. I was talking about guns, not stocks. They ain’t the same.”

    I know Rog…
    I was just yankin’ yer chain because of your choice of the word BOOM!
    You know, your “sure thing” stock that went from a high of $66 DOWN to a LOW of $15.23!!

    Did you take my advice and buy WMI??
    I bought it at $29.50 today…now it’s around $29.
    When will you listen to me???

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Just because people make a lot of money doesn’t mean they are greedy.
    I always tip 20%…your KLOWN pals dine & dash!

    My wife & I contribute more than most of you KLOWNS combined. We help folks who need a helping hand. Heck, we even helped a woman on the run buy a car and paid for her apt. for 3 months. I live a relatively low cost life-style. I’m not in to new cars or depreciable assets. I’m very conservative on the majority of my investments. The stuff I post here is my one vice…but it’s based on research saying buy on big dips and sell into rallies.

    Is that greedy?

    You KLOWNS, especially O-blah-blah, feel it’s up to him and the government to “spread Joe the Plumbers” wealth and mine. No thanks. Is that greedy?? I think it’s just a difference in philosphy about the role, size & cost of government. That’s why I don’t feel any hatred toward you KLOWNS. I see this as different philosphies. You KLOWNS take it all so personally…mainly because most of you have missed investment opportunities and cannot relate to those who create jobs & take risks.

  20. 24

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Thanks Lucy. Now I know where the ass-backwards stupidity comes from.


    Only 20%? When the wife and I dine out, we don’t tip less than 25% unless the service was totally shitty. And 30% isn’t out of the question if the service is great. The only time I go 20% or lower when the service is good is when the bill is so large that a 15% to 20% tip would probably be more than the server’s wages for the day. And with some of the restaurants the missus and I hit during our last trip to Lost Wages, that’s a lot of coin.

    (Side note: When in Vegas, try Lawry’s The Prime Rib on Flamingo Rd, about 3/4 mile east of The Strip. All I can describe it with is my best Ben Stein impersonation: waooow.)

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    rla spews:


    Your deposit here is at best ignorant and just lazy. It’s convenient to categorize people you don’t know with such a broad brush. You don’t have to think or see any shade other than black or white. You also don’t have to listen.

    It may make you feel like a big shot to tell us all how much money you have and how much the rest of us are just stupid and thieving because we “feel it’s up to him and the government to” spread wealth around. If you need that sort of ego boost, there are plenty of other places where you will find people who are far more impressed than this crowd.

    As for your generalizations, you’re just saying more about your own intellect than you are about your so called “KLOWNS.” I’m not Warren Buffett rich but I am in no way middle class either, even by Senator McCain’s standards. Under a President Obama, my taxes will go up. That 3% is meaningful for me and will represent me paying incrementally more in tax than my father’s annual salary when he retired in 80’s. I may even start paying FICA on a bigger chunk of my salary than the sliver I pay on now. And I AM OKAY WITH THAT.

    I am blazingly angry about taxes. I have paid many millions in taxes of the last 8 years and what have I gotten for it? A bunch of dead Iraqi’s, a giant cluster in the economy, a crumbling infrastructure, the worst education and health care system in the industrialized world and the reputation as a bully. My neighbors are losing their homes, I have to send my kids to private schools for a decent education, I get sneers when I travel abroad and the biggest deficit in world history. I have absolutely freakin’ had it.

    I will pay more taxes to resolve this situation. I will gladly pay more taxes to save the middle class of this country which is where I came from and allowed me to be where I am today. I will GLADLY pay more tax for a healthier, safer, more respected America because I still believe in the American ideal.

    You know who’s spreading your wealth around now? The administration. They’ve paid blackwater, kbr, big oil, big pharma, lobbyists of every stripe, defense contractors and the financial services industry EVERY LAST GOD DAMN CENT OF YOUR TAXES AND THEN SOME over the last 8 years.

    Take your eyes off that weak ass e*trade account of yours and open them to see what your insular and selfish point of view about *your* wealth has wrought OUR country.

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    SeattleJew spews:

    @16 Geov …

    Geov, I read your paen to I-1000 with great respect and I share your feeling about the right to choose death. My opposition to I-1000 is not about the right to choose death, but to a law that I see as deeply flawed.

    Let me address only one issue .. the issue of patients being forced to choose between a $50 death cocktail and overwhleming bills for terminal care.

    I mispoke about Medicare .. even I am on Medicare though I do not use it because i have other coverage. However, as you know, Medicare does not provide complete coverage. care beyond Medicare require either private insurance or a means test. Because the extra insurance can be VERY expensive, social worlers and fiscal planners make a living “assisting” old people to impoverish themselves to qualify for state aid.

    So, the threat of impoverishment ios very real and actually rather common at least amongst my acquaintances.

    By the way, you also mispoke. You attribute words to me that I have not, to my knowedge, used:

    The “the ill will get pressured to kill themselves” line

    . Perhpas you did not intend the quotes to attribute these words to me? I hope so and I agree this has not yet happend in Oregon.

    That said, I do think there is reason to believe the law will go awry. As I assume you know, one Oregon patient received a letter from her HMO refusing terminal care but telling her the HMO would pay for the suicide cocktail. The reaction to this horrid letter was even worse. The employee who sent the letter was punished! BUT, the letter told the truth. This woman was, to use extreme language, “sentenced” by the Oregon system to a choice between suicide and an unpleasant death because the insurance company would not pay for the drugs she needed. It seems to me, the employee did the woman a service.

    So, as I tried to discuss with nancy, I suggest there are much better ways to give patients this choice. A better law would take the responsibility for making this decision out of the hands of physicians, preserve the patient’s privacy in this difficult time, minimize the bureaucracy, assure that no one is forced to choose suicide as an alternative to medical care, and address the much greater needs in the community of people with severely disabling chronic diseases.