Liberalism kills

Yet another tragic consequence of liberalism’s misguided efforts to gut the Second Amendment….

A three-year-old boy died after shooting himself in the chest with a handgun in Clarkston.

Police say the boy was apparently playing with a 9mm semi-automatic at the home of his mother’s boyfriend on Monday. The name of the child, who is from Lewiston, Idaho, and his mother have not been released.

Police say the boy went inside to use the bathroom, and apparently found the gun in a bedroom drawer.

If only everybody was armed, perhaps another three-year-old could have stopped him.


  1. 2


    Drool @1,

    I was parodying the oft-repeated righty logic, that sought to exploit the tragedy of the VA Tech shooting, by arguing that it wouldn’t have happened if more people kept concealed weapons on their persons.

    Maybe. But if more people kept firearms, we would have more tragedies like this poor little three-year-old an his family just suffered.

    There are consequences to a heavily armed America, and one of them is that the number one risk factor for death or injury from firearms is to have them in the home.

  2. 3

    chadt spews:

    As long as we have so many in this country that need to replace their missing balls with firearms, it’s not going to change.

  3. 5

    Libertarian spews:

    Sad as it may be, there’s a failure of parenting and lack of supervision here that is the fault of this accidnet.

  4. 6

    eric spews:

    A true heartbreaker. What we have is not a GUN problem, we have a PEOPLE problem. Irresponsible people leave loaded guns accessible to others. Irresponsible PEOPLE
    leave their infants to play unnattended near 5 gallon
    pails of water… You can’t mandate responsibility. EDUCATE, ENFORCE THE LAW, PUNISH THE OFFENDERS.

  5. 7

    GBS spews:

    As far as I’m concerned the registered gun owner should spend the rest of his life behind bars without the possibility of parole.

    Owning a gun should be similar to owning and driving a car: you should have to demonstrate your ability, both written and physically, that you understand gun safety and how to operate the weapon correctly. And, like a car, you should have to carry liability insurance, per weapon, with the rates being similar to that of car insurance.

    That’s what the Liberals should be pushing for, and I’m sure they can find a strong ally in the insurance industry. If you’re caught not having insurance or being underinsured, which would be classified as a felony, then you have to go to prison for 5 years on the 1st offense, 7 years on the 2nd, 3rd offense the 3 strikes and you’re out clause applies.

    There should be no argument from the “take personal responsibility” crowd.

  6. 8

    GBS spews:


    Subpoenas to the VP and White House in the ILLEGAL wiretapping scandal.

    Probable set up to Impeachment hearings.

    More to come on the Conservative Culutre of Crime & Corruption Crowd.

  7. 9

    Richard Pope spews:

    Aren’t firearms deaths among young children down considerably from what they were several decades ago? And isn’t this reduction mainly due to better education about gun safety and more responsibility taken by most parents?

    I tried to use “the Google” for statistics on this subject, and found this near the top of the list. It is from a pro-gun group, and may be biased like anything else from an advocacy group on either side, but claims a reduction of over two-thirds in accidental firearms deaths: from 530 in 1970 to 142 in 1997, among children 0-14. Presumably the per capita rate of firearms deaths would be even lower, since there were more children in 1997 in the USA than in 1970:

    “From 1970 to 1991, the number of fatal gun accidents for children aged 0-14 declined from 530 to 227. Kopel, Guns: Who Should Have Them? at 311. And according to the National Safety Council, the decline has continued as there were only 142 fatal gun accidents for children in that age group in 1997. National Safety Council, Injury Facts: 2000 Edition, at 18.”

  8. 10

    Richard Pope spews:

    DID THE COMMENT FILTER GRAB MY LAST POSTING? Let’s try a slightly different version:

    Aren’t firearms deaths among young children down considerably from what they were several decades ago? And isn’t this reduction mainly due to better education about gun safety and more responsibility taken by most parents?

    I tried to use “the Google” for statistics on this subject, and found this near the top of the list. It is from a pro-gun group, and may be biased like anything else from an advocacy group on either side, but claims a reduction of over two-thirds in accidental firearms deaths: from 530 in 1970 to 142 in 1997, among children 0-14. Presumably the per capita rate of firearms deaths would be even lower, since there were more children in 1997 in the USA than in 1970:

    From 1970 to 1991, the number of fatal gun accidents for children aged 0-14 declined from 530 to 227. Kopel, Guns: Who Should Have Them? at 311. And according to the National Safety Council, the decline has continued as there were only 142 fatal gun accidents for children in that age group in 1997. National Safety Council, Injury Facts: 2000 Edition, at 18.

    www (dot) gunowners (dot) org (slash) sk0702.htm

  9. 11

    michael spews:

    That’s why you need to take a class and pass a test to own a gun! The classes I took were sponsored by none other than the NRA. And let me tell you after you after you see a few giant slides of kids that were killed by firearms you’ll never leave a loaded one laying around.

    I got rid of all my guns a few years back. Didn’t want people thinking I was some sort of un-evolved right wing crackpot. Plus, I don’t hunt anymore and I doubt the neighbors would like me target shooting with my 30.06 on my 120’X90’ lot.

  10. 12

    drool spews:

    GBS @7,

    Are they going to enforce the insurance laws like they do automobile insurance laws? The government refuses to enforce licensing and insurance laws in this state for automobiles. Last time anyone tried to do anything about it people were catterwalling about it being unfair to the poor.

    I am still awaiting a state driving test that demontrates the REAL ability to operate a car.

  11. 13

    Tuor spews:

    There have been cases where kids released emergency brakes on cars and ended up getting killed as a result, so we should ban cars as well, right? What about kids that used to climb into abandoned refrigerators and had the door close on them, then suffocated to death: ban refrigerators, too?

    Kids do stupid things, often, and sometimes they die over it. That’s sad, but that’s how things are and have always been.

  12. 18

    chadt spews:

    Mr. Pope:

    That may well be correct. It leads to the inescapable conclusion that we can we can increase the number of guns in circulation until we see a significant reversal of the trend.

  13. 20

    eric spews:

    TO: chadt

    …so you are more “OKAY” with deaths involving refer’s,
    bikes, cars, etc. because you find these necessary to
    your own being?? It all comes back to PEOPLE and
    the consequenses of their actions or lack of.

  14. 21

    chadt spews:

    The weapons kids use to kill themselves and each other are invariably guns designed to kill people, as opposed to hunting weapons, and if they were removed from circulation even idiots and the deranged would be unable to leave them lying about. Banning them will never happen because they are a religious symbol to a class of people (and the NRA) and NOTHING will ever justify their elimination.

  15. 22

    Mark The Redneck Goldstein spews:

    I think all you libruls should refrain from owning weapons. If you have ‘em, turn ‘em in. If you don’t currently own any, don’t start now.

    This will come in handy some day…

  16. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:


    “White House, Cheney’s Office, Subpoenaed

    “Posted: 2007-06-27 15:00:10

    “WASHINGTON (AP) – The Senate Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney’s office Wednesday for documents relating to President Bush’s controversial eavesdropping program that operated warrant-free for five years. Also named in subpoenas signed by committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., were the Justice Department and the National Security Council.”

  17. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    That Guy Has To Be A Republican

    What kind of jackass leaves a loaded gun in an unlocked bedroom drawer?

    Umm, well, since you asked …

  18. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 “Tuor says: There have been cases where kids released emergency brakes on cars and ended up getting killed as a result, so we should ban cars as well, right?”

    Leave it to a wingnut to think cars and guns are the same thing.

  19. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 For one thing, the number of kids killed by getting hold of guns is something like 1,000 times more than the number of kids killed by releasing brakes on cars …

  20. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @21 I think liberals should arm like crazy. This poses no danger to kids, because liberals are responsible people with brains larger than an amoeba’s! The gun problem is limited to your redneck cousins. PAY YOUR FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT, WELSHER!!!

  21. 28

    drool spews:

    #25 Roger,

    Got a link to support your number of 1000?

    If you go to page 4 here:

    You will see that car accidents constitute 28 % of kid fatalities (that’s while riding as a passenger….not getting hit by one…that’s another number.). Guns are 2%

    They do not break out the handbrake issue which I presume is very small but you’re an expert and have THE number.

  22. 29

    Richard Pope spews:

    “The decline in the unintentional firearm injury death rate among children ages 14 and under from 1987 to 2000 was 72 percent, one of the most remarkable of the injury risk areas reviewed for this analysis. However, 86 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries in 2000.”

    Firearms safety education and parental awareness has truly done a wonderful job in reducing accidental firearms deaths in children 14 and under. 530 young children were killed (see my post # 9? above) this way in 1970, with the number reduced to only 86 in 2000.

  23. 30

    Thomas H Jefferson spews:

    Why is it that the issue here is legislative interference with what people can have rather than penalties for misuse?

    Seems to me that the perp here is the gun’s irresponsible owner. We need laws that punish folks like this.

  24. 31

    Thomas H Jefferson spews:

    Can one of you younger folk tel ol Tom why this is a liberal vs. conservative issue? The dividing line in current society seem bizar …

    Lib Conserv
    Control sales of guns Yes! No
    Control poisons in food. Yes! No
    Control sex No Yes!
    Mandate religion No Yes!
    Enforce corporate power No Yes!

    Is there ANY logical pattern here? At least ol gran gran was an admitted hypocrite.

  25. 32

    David spews:

    Tragic, and sad. And TOTALLY understand the sentiment. But just curious? Why are guns magic? Do you believe their possessed by demons or something? Why don’t I hear calls for bans when negligent parents leave OTHER things out for children to accidentally find? If some parent leaves a bottle of pain killers out, where is the call to ban all pain killers? If a parent leaves anti-freeze in a pretty colored bottle on a low unlocked shelf, and a child gets into it and dies from poisoning, why aren’t we banning anti-freeze? If a child falls down some steps and dies because a parent forget to put up the child lock/gate, where is the call to ban stairs in homes? If a child dies falling into a swimming pool, where is the call to ban swimming pools?

    See the point? I understand the tragedy. But the problem isn’t the gun (or anti-freeze, or swimming pool) it’s the parent not ‘child-proofing’ their house and leaving and unlocked loaded gun around. The parent should be charged with neglect, just as if they left a child alone in a room with a running lawn mower. You don’t ban lawn mowers, you blame the parent. What is the “magic” with guns? I don’t get it.

  26. 33

    Yer Killin Me spews:

    Painkillers are not designed specifically to kill people. Anti-freeze is not designed specifically to kill people. Pools are not designed specifically to kill people. There’s the pattern.

    And before you jump all over me, I am not some anti-Second Amendment wacko. I have no problem with responsible gun ownership (and I will grant you this does not appear to be a case of responsible gun ownership). I think a responsible gun owner would not keep a loaded firearm in an area where a child was likely to be present, though.

    I’d like to see mandatory trigger-locks for guns in storage, but maybe that’s just me.

  27. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ann Coulter Raises $$$ For Edwards Campaign

    “Coulter’s Words Help Edwards Raise Cash


    “WASHINGTON (AP) – Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said Wednesday that conservative author Ann Coulter’s attacks are hurtful as his campaign used her remarks in an appeal for money. … His campaign cited her remarks in two e-mails to supporters for donations, with the fundraising deadline on Saturday.

    “It’s not the first time Coulter has given the Edwards campaign a financial boost. In March, she called Edwards a ‘faggot’ and the campaign used video of the comment to help raise $300,000 before the end of the first quarter.

    “When Coulter appeared Tuesday on MSNBC’s ‘Hardball,’ Elizabeth Edwards called in to ask Coulter to stop making personal attacks on her husband. The exchange deteriorated, with Coulter … demanding that the campaign stop using her name to raise money …. Response to the controversy was so large that it repeatedly crashed the server for MSNBC’s political blog Wednesday.

    “Mrs. Edwards followed up with an e-mail to supporters Wednesday morning that included a clip of their exchange and a donation request. The campaign said they raised more money this week than from any previous e-mail campaign, but declined to give a total.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I could say something about “unintended consequences,” but I won’t. (snicker) All I’ll say is … very politely … Thank you, Ann. We progressive appreciate your fundraising efforts on John’s behalf. Really. We do. (snicker)



  28. 37

    Thomas H Jefferson spews:


    We actually DO have regulations requiring manufacturers to put child safe caps (the one I can not open) on most toxic stuff.

    But look, if there were an onerous penalty for misuse of a gun, e.g. selling to someone w/o background check, leaving in the open in a car, firing it in prohib place, or leaving it out wher eit could be misused … the issue would go away. Say a 2 yr jail sentance and loss of gun ownership rights?

    For those who want to confound the 2nd amendment issue (part of Tom Tom’s legacy), mayhap look at the effects of cigaretter legislation vs. effort sto prohibit spirits. Smoking is going away because we have made it expensive, emabarassing, and inconvenient. The implication is obvious:

    Gun Usage Act 2010

    1. All registered gun owners must wear an identifying bracelet with RFID code at all times or agree to the G tattoo, between their eyes.

    2. All guns require a license. License will cost $200 per gun per year.

    3. Homes containing weapons mist be marked by the reg G on the front and back door. This is provided by the license fee.

    4. Penalty for gun misuse will include mandatory branding with the red G between the eyes, thirty days in the public stocks, and ten years withdrawal of gun and driving licence.

  29. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @27 Your 28% figure is as phony as everything else you post! I wasn’t talking about kids getting hurt while riding as passengers in cars. I was talking about unattended kids in cars releasing parking brakes. How many cases can you find, in the entire country within the last 12 months, where a kid got hurt by releasing a parking brake?

  30. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @30 “Is there ANY logical pattern here? At least ol gran gran was an admitted hypocrite.”

    No, I made that number up. Peeled it off the wall. Why shouldn’t I? You guys make up things all the time. If you do it, why can’t I! B

    ut I’ll bet it’s pretty damn close. It’s just common sense that kids don’t get killed by releasing the parking brake of a car very often. On the other hand, every year there’s several stories in the local papers about kids getting killed playing with guns. Happens all the time. A ratio of 1000:1 is a reasonable guess, and it’s probably not far off.

  31. 40

    eric spews:

    Ah, 32, you’ve cleared it up. Responsibility and fault
    should lie with the engineer’s design intent with respect
    to a given product and how individuals unknown to him
    conduct themselves through the use or misuse of the product? Really, now. Need I say it again? EDUCATION, PERSONAL

  32. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    For one thing, most young kids don’t know how to release the parking brake, and for another thing, very young kids don’t have the physical strength to release a parking brake if it’s fully engaged. I’ll bet releasing parking brakes kills and injures fewer kids than jackass parents who don’t engage the parking brake at all but just leave the car in gear and then leave the kid unattended and the kid plays with the shift lever and knocks the car in neutral and it starts rolling. That’s probably how most of them kid hurt. The parking brake has nothing to do with it, in those cases. Of course, parents shouldn’t leave kids unattended in a car in the first place, and any parent who does is a jackass.

  33. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And the parents who leave loaded guns around the house are probably have the same one who leave unattended kids in cars.

  34. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Child-Proof Shifting Required

    “More than a decade ago auto manufacturers added ‘brake-shift interlock systems’ that require pressing on the brake when shifting gears. But each year there are tales of children injured or killed by runaway vehicles that are put into gear by kids, so the feature will soon become standard.

    “While 90 percent or more of vehicles today include that feature, the remaining holdouts will add the technology by 2010. The 19 biggest auto manufacturers agreed with NHTSA to disclose whether or not their current vehicles have the safety technology.

    “The estimated cost is just $5 per vehicle ….”

    Five-frikken-bucks-per-vehicle!!! And you know what? Some car manufacturers STILL don’t do it! And won’t do it by next year, or the year after that. Probably some would NEVER do it unless government forced them to. But our government — the one Bush and his fellow government-haters run — hasn’t forced car makers to do anything! They don’t believe in government regulation. Their solution to this problem is to TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO SUE THE CAR COMPANY!!!

    Fucking wingnuts … what can I say? We need a new government. Theirs sucks.

  35. 44

    Yer Killin Me spews:


    Well, I’m glad you think so, but I merely wanted to point out that most products are not designed specifically to kill people. Name me one use a handgun has that doesn’t involve potential lethal force. One.

    Opening soup cans? Naah, you get soup all over the kitchen.

    I don’t deny that EDUCATION, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SEVERE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR are good and useful things. Fact is, I would like to see a little more of all of those, because as I read the news coming out of the other Washington, they seem to be in short supply.

  36. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If some kid left unattended in a car by his jackass parent plays with the shift level, knocks the car out of gear, and rolls downhill and smashes into your vehicle and injures you, your spouse, and your kids — the Republicans’ answer is YOU CAN’T SUE!!! And these assholes want people to vote for them?!! No wonder they can’t campaign on issues, and have to keep people from voting, in order to “win.” Republicans can’t win an honest election and they know it.

  37. 47

    michael spews:


    The number of both guns and gun owners have declined over the last 30 years. Remington now makes drill bits as well as guns, Smith and Wesson makes bike parts and last I checked Ruger was making golf clubs to help stay afloat. Many other gun makers have folded. While gun safety education is important and laudable (see comment #10)the reduction in gun ownership also figures into the reduction of injuries and deaths due to firearm misuse.

  38. 48

    Richard Pope spews:

    Roger Rabbit @ 37

    It probably happens a few times per year, sadly enough. I used “the Google” on the following string:

    children injured “parking brake”

    And came up with the following as Result # 5, which was a study of the 11 non-traffic fatalities of children left unattended in or around motor vehicles in Oklahoma between 2000 and 2004. All of this stories were extremely SAD:

    One incident on Page 3 would probably qualify as a “parking brake release” type of fatality with children and a vehicle:

    “A 4-year-old was standing next to her mother’s pickup truck by the driver’s side door, which was open. Her 3-year-old brother put the truck in gear, which caused it to move backwards out of the driveway into the street. She was caught between the door and the truck. The truck hit a curb across the street and caused her to fall off the truck. Then she was run over by the front wheel of the truck. She died at the scene.”

    Projecting one death in Oklahoma (about 1% of US population) in a five year period is statistically meaningless — you might get 20 children per year, but with an incredible margin of error.

    There was also another child in Oklahoma killed by the unattended motor vehicle in the study — a 12 year old who got inside an open car trunk, shut it on himself, and was found an hour later dead from hyperthermia. Three children were run over by relatives in driveways, three children were run over in parking lots (two by vehicles started by their relatives, one by a stranger who couldn’t see well), and three died while unattended by parents in vehicles (two children from hyperthermia after not being dropped off at daycare, one from car fire started by child playing with lighter).

  39. 49

    GBS spews:

    Hey, every cloud has its silver lining, right?

    Given the location and absolute ignorance involved, that’s one less Republican voter in the 2022 mid-term elections.
    Good riddance.

  40. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Here in Washington, insurance companies are peddling so-called “tort reform” again. And they’re being sneaky about it. They hide behind a “citizens committee” so you won’t know their ads are paid for by insurance companies. And the wording of the referendum is flipped — so you have to vote “yes” to defeat “tort reform” and a “no” vote is actually saying yes to the insurance companies’ crazy scheme to keep collecting premiums from you while refusing to pay claims. Why the hell should anyone buy insurance if they don’t pay any claims?

  41. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @36 “But look, if there were an onerous penalty for misuse of a gun, e.g. selling to someone w/o background check, leaving in the open in a car, firing it in prohib place, or leaving it out wher eit could be misused … the issue would go away. Say a 2 yr jail sentance and loss of gun ownership rights?”

    How about a million-dollar judgment? What legislators and prosecutors fail to do, plaintiff’s lawyers do every day — punish people whose stupidity hurts others. And what’s
    the Republican response to this law enforcement? They want to TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO SUE.

  42. 52

    michael spews:

    To recap for the Righties:

    Gun ownership: down
    Church attendance: down
    Republican fundraising: down
    Military recruiting: in trouble

    Sierra Club memberships: up
    Number of atheists: up
    Supporters of gay marriage: up
    Liberal fundraising: up
    Support for mass transit: up

  43. 53

    eric spews:

    Actually, michael, #of guns, # of gun owners and # of RTC
    states are at an all time high. Go figure. Those
    states also have reduced on average, their violent

  44. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    #38 is completely garbled. I didn’t copy and paste that quote. I’m not sure I even posted this comment, although part of it is content that I wrote. This is weird.

  45. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @39 Why do you have a problem with the simple idea of holding manufacturers and sellers of defective products responsible for the defects of the products they sell?

  46. 57

    eric spews:

    Hey, GBS

    Per 48, you have displayed to all what an idiot you are.
    Exactly how perfect are you? Take a look in the mirror
    then we will start the topic of culling.

  47. 58

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Idaho is a Publican state so chances are this was the kid of Publican parents and I say good riddance. And let the NRA chew on this. Hopefully all right wing children kill themselves and we can rid America of its biggest threat!

  48. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “last I checked Ruger was making golf clubs to help stay afloat”

    It’s extremely doubtful that Ruger’s firearms division is having difficulty “staying afloat.” More likely, it is extremely profitable, and always has been — despite the boycott of Ruger guns by angry sportsmen because of the famous “Ruger letter” to Congress proposing a ban on large-capacity magazines, and William Ruger’s equally famous comment that “no honest man needs more than 10 rounds.”

    Ruger, like any other company, needs to keep growing in order to keep its stock going up in order to keep the shareholders happy. The gun market is a mature and saturated market, so to keep growing, Ruger had to diversify into other product lines. Their golf club manufacturing doesn’t subsidize their gun manufacturing division. If guns weren’t profitable, they would stop making them.

    You know nothing about business. If you did, you wouldn’t make such a silly comment.

  49. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @47 That doesn’t sound like a parking brake case. It sounds like a keys-left-in-ignition-with-engine-running case in which a kid was playing with the shift lever. If the parking brake had been engaged, the truck wouldn’t have moved. If the engine hadn’t been running, the truck wouldn’t have moved.

  50. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The stupid mother put the vehicle in “Park” with the engine engine running, that’s what happened.

  51. 62

    2nd Amendment Democrat spews:

    One person dying from gun accident is one to many. Unfortunately the very young are good at finding trouble such as guns, swimming pools, drugs and/or matches. I have several guns that are tools individually designed for hunting big game, ducks and upland birds. We childproof our home when any of the 5 grandchildren come to visit, in addition to never having a loaded gun in a house or in a car. We do not know any of the details to this event, but I can only ask what are the fearful reasons to have a loaded sidearm in that home

  52. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Kids of that age don’t have any politics, and I would never say “good riddance” about any child, no matter who its parents are. Guns are a self-evident danger to children, but an equally great and less obvious threat to young children is an unfenced backyard bordering a river, pond, or lake. There have been soooo many drownings of young children while visiting grandma’s riverfront home.

    The real story here is toddlers and kids should never be left unsupervised, even for 1 minute, because that’s all it takes.

  53. 65

    michael spews:


    We’ve seen many gun manufactures shifting towards manufacturing products other than guns and they have done this as their production lines have had down time due to lack of gun sales. Had Ruger, Remmington, and Smith and Wesson not diversified their production they would be going bankrupt or downsizing and off shoring like Winchester did.

    Charter 2000 is now bankrupt. Ditto Sundance Industries and Davis Industries Saturday night specials are now seen as a problem, not something cool to own. Lots of unemployed former gun makers in the north-east these days as well.

    I’ll just have to chuckle and agree to disagree with you on the business thing.

  54. 67

    eric spews:

    @54, & 39

    …rather, you name “products” that don’t have POTENTIAL
    for lethality. And 54, I don’t have a problem with
    holding accountable, those responsible for defects…
    however, the weapon involved in the 3 year olds death
    does not sound like it was defective. What we have here
    is a lack of responsible ownership on on the boyfriends
    behalf, and at 3 yrs. old, my child will be escorted when
    entering someone elses home.

  55. 68

    Tuor spews:


    “Leave it to a wingnut to think cars and guns are the same thing.”

    When did I say they were the same thing? That’s right, I never did.

  56. 69

    chadt spews:

    37 RES

    I grew up in Lewiston, Idaho, a town predominately Democratic, with an award-winning Liberal newspaper. My uncle was the dean of the university who left his estate to a foundation to end war (Boyd Martin, look it up in Who’s Who). We would view ignoramus extremist jerks like you with the same distaste we have for southern Idaho potato farmer nutcases. A hate-filled loudmouth like you is merely a mirror image of Ann Coulter. Liberals need more tumors like you, I’m sure.

    Fuck you and the cesspool you call home.

  57. 70

    michael spews:

    -NEW HAVEN — More than a year after the historic Winchester rifle factory was closed, putting 186 people out of work, a real estate development company has agreed to buy the 15-acre site and try to bring it back to life.

    Block & Kahan Properties Inc., based at 38 Trumbull St., has signed a contract to buy the former U.S. Repeating Arms Co. property from The Herstal Group in Belgium. The purchase price was not disclosed, as the sale has not closed.

    Block & Kahan, which redevelops and manages investment properties, will focus on finding a single buyer or tenant or multiple tenants who will bring jobs back to the site, said partner Ed Block;rfi=6

  58. 71

    Tuor spews:


    I was thinking about the whole “child wandering the house” aspect, too. He went into the house to go to the bathroom, so what was he doing in someone’s bedroom? Was the bathroom in the bedroom? No way to know, but likely not. Trying to think back to when I was 3 years old, I don’t think I would’ve been left free to roam someone else’s house, not so much because there might be a gun in the house, but because 3 year olds are unable to recognize *most* sources of danger to them.

    In my day, I remember the Mr. Yuch (or was it Dr. Yuch?) stickers they decided to put on poisonous stuff that could be ingested or otherwise bring harm to a kid. There was a big push to get such things put into places a small child could not reach, and, of course the whole child-proof bottles and whatnot. HOWEVER, if you don’t have a kid of your own, then I, for one, do not take those sorts of precautions: I put things where I want, I don’t get child-proof bottles if I have a choice in the matter.

    Who knows if the boyfriend gave any thought of all that a kid would be at his house. Maybe the idea was that the kid would stay outside (with them?) and he, at least, didn’t think about it when they let the kid inside to use the bathroom. As a guy without a kid, I can easily see that happening. Should the boyfriend be blamed because he doesn’t think like a parent? I don’t think so.

  59. 73

    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Roger Rabbit says:

    @12 For one thing, the number of kids killed by getting hold of guns is something like 1,000 times more than the number of kids killed by releasing brakes on cars …

    06/27/2007 at 12:49 pm

    Between 1999 and 2004 (according to the CDC), the number of accident firearm deaths of children 19 and under was 1050 in the U.S.

    For your statement to be true only one child could have died due to releasing the brakes on a car during that 6 year span. I’d say that’s a pretty remote likelyhood, given there are approximately 80 million people 19 and under in this country.

    Just another Roger Rabbit grandiose exaggeration.

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    ArtFart spews:

    69 Oh, delightful. I see a nice ever-so-cutesy-pie new “old-town” type shopping center/condo development, no doubt with one or two trendy watering holes where the young, affluent and self-important will pull up in their Lexuses to get polluted and find new partners to exchange body fluids with.

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    michael spews:

    I think they’re looking for light-industrial users.

    I posted the article as an example of what’s becoming of America’s, “Gun culture.” That being that it’s going away, plants are closing, views are changing.

    We get the occasional spike in gun purchases, but the long term trend is a downward one.

  62. 76

    Mick Sheldon spews:

    I don’t like guns , don’t own one . But using this death politically makes the Ann Coulter’s make sense .

  63. 77

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Ain’t it great to see Pelletman and ChadT agree on one thing:

    Stupidman is a cesspool and an IDIOT.

    Anyone who doesn’t feel compassion for the loss of a child should be childless.

    Stupidman: I hope your tiny minuscule nuts never produce enough sperm to procreate. We don’t need more IDIOTS like you!

  64. 78


    Where are the hundreds of blog entries of when guns were used to prevent rape, robbery, and murder yesterday? Some evil person must have hacked into the site and deleted them because I do not see them anywhere!!!

  65. 83

    Mark The Redneck Goldstein spews:

    Pahl – I found it. Here ya go. Yer welcome. Dumshit…


  66. 84

    busdrivermike spews:

    Nothing brings out the moonbats like the handgun issue.

    OH, it isn’t the handguns fault, it is never the handguns fault. Handguns are like the Virgin Mary to these people. To be held up and worshipped like Ann Coulters cooter.

    Scared pathetic men that do not realize that owning a handgun is a passport to jail. If you look at five guys who have handguns, one of them will be in jail within ten years. Our jails are full of guys who thought they needed a handgun.

  67. 85

    Dan Rather spews:

    “ the home of his mother’s boyfriend..”

    Obviously this is a liberal couple. Well I would be in favor for one more gun law banning liberals from owning guns. Sounds good to me.

  68. 86

    Yer Killin Me spews:


    When my granddaughter (age almost 3) comes over she doesn’t leave the living room unescorted. If she does manage to make it out to the kitchen or the hall she gets shooed back with a warning that she will be in time out if she tries it again.

    We don’t own guns. Never have, most likely never will. But even in a house like ours where we do our best to baby-proof the place because we do have youngsters coming over on a regular basis, there are plenty of things an inquisitive tot can hurt herself on.

  69. 87


    @50 RRabbit

    We are on the same planet here. Penalties for gun misuse! except I would like to see criminal penalties as well as civil penlaties. Law-Law has become a very expensive form of Jaw-Jaw, most folks can not afford it.

  70. 88

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Liberalism Kills …… even it’s own. Just as Thomas Trainwinder!

    Hey Cluelessman SPIDER Thomas Trainwinder. Tell Thomas what you find!

    You’ll see he’s much more level-headed than you’ll ever be. Well that’s a figure of speech since you do have a flat head like Herman Muenster!

  71. 89

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Puffybutt your Muslim wife says hi and she says Idaho is a cesspool of right wing baby rapers. Anyone from Idaho is a traitor and COWARD.

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    YOS LIB BRO spews:



  73. 91

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Stupidman, no she doesn’t say hi from your Idaho environment. She’s next to me on the other computer. But I hear “from reliable sources” you put lipstick on a pig and call her your “wife”.

  74. 92

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Cluelessman: Since he was cheering up Bridges decision, why didn’t you come to his defense on ‘WIPES?

    Your lack of action proves my point.

    Waaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa

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    klake spews:

    Goldy now I know why your filter removed the post I made last week. Yes Roger your friend wants you disarmed.

    Last week, when the U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed H.R. 2640, “The NICS Improvement Amendments Act,” by a voice vote, some gun owners were confused as to the exact scope and effect of this proactive reform bill. Let’s look at the facts.

    H.R. 2640 provides federal funds to states to update their mental health records, to ensure that those currently prohibited under federal law from owning a gun because of mental health adjudications are included in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). For many years, NRA has supported ensuring that those who have been adjudicated mentally incompetent are screened by the NICS.

    In several ways this bill is better for gun owners than current law. Under H.R. 2640, certain types of mental health orders will no longer prohibit a person from possessing or receiving a firearm. Examples are adjudications that have expired or been removed, or commitments from which a person has been completely released with no further supervision required. Also excluded are federal decisions about a person’s mental health that consist only of a medical diagnosis, without a specific finding that the person is dangerous or mentally incompetent. The latter provision addresses very real concerns about disability decisions by the Veterans Administration concerning our brave men and women in uniform. Remember that one of the Clinton Administration’s last acts was to force the names of almost 90,000 veterans and veterans’ family members to be added to a “prohibited” list. H.R. 2640 would help many of these people get their rights restored. H.R. 2640 will also require all participating federal or state agencies to establish “relief from disability” programs that would allow a person to get the mental health prohibition removed, either administratively or in court. This type of relief has not been available at the federal level for the past 15 years.

    This legislation will also ensure—as a permanent part of federal law—that no fee or tax is associated with a NICS check¾a NRA priority for nearly a decade! While NRA has supported annual appropriations amendments with the same effect, those amendments must be renewed every year. This provision would not expire. H.R. 2640 will also mandate an audit of past spending on NICS projects to determine if funds were misused in any way.

    It is also important to note what H.R. 2640 will not do. This bill will not add any new classes of prohibited persons to NICS, and it will not prohibit gun possession by people who have voluntarily sought psychological counseling or checked themselves into a hospital for treatment.

    So why the confusion?

    First and foremost, the national media elite is irate that NRA has been able to roll back significant portions of the Clinton Administration’s anti-gun agenda and pass pro-active legislation in Congress and in many states. They are desperate to put a “gun control” spin on anything they can. The only real question here is¾given the media’s long-standing and flagrant bias on the gun issue¾why are some gun owners suddenly swallowing the bait?

    Second, some people simply do not like the NICS. In 1993, Congress passed the Brady Act, including a mandatory five-day waiting period, over strong NRA opposition. Due to NRA’s insistence, that waiting period was allowed to sunset in 1998, once the NICS was up and running nationwide. Now that the NICS is in place, it makes sense to ensure that this system works as instantly, fairly, and accurately as possible.

    Also troubling to many is the fact that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) is a cosponsor of the bill. Carolyn McCarthy is among the most anti-gun Members of Congress. She has introduced another bill, H.R. 1022, which represents the most sweeping gun ban in history. But Rep. McCarthy is not the only co-sponsor of H.R. 2640. She was joined by some of the most pro-gun members of the House of Representatives in crafting this bill, including John Dingell (D-Mich.), Rick Boucher (D-Va.), and Lamar Smith (R-Tex.). A few years ago, when Congress passed a bill allowing airline pilots to be armed, one of the lead sponsors was anti-gun Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Ca.). Sen. Boxer’s support of that legislation did not cause gun owners to oppose it.

    Finally, some people have asked why the bill passed on a voice vote. The reality is that there’s nothing unusual about passing a widely supported bill by voice vote. Even so, the House rules allow any House member to request a recorded vote on any issue, and in practice, those requests are universally granted. Despite having that option on the floor, no representative asked for a roll call on this bill.

    H.R. 2640 is now pending in the Senate. Rest assured that if the anti-gunners use this legislation as a vehicle to advance gun control restrictions, NRA will pull our support for the bill and vigorously oppose its passage!

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    YOS LIB BRO spews:




  77. 96

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Cluelessman: I seem to remember November 10, 2006 you said you were leaving at 7:11 AM and showing up at 10:38 as Yos Lib Bro.

    Then you hide the fact you retrieve your “best” material from left-wing whackthemoff crap sites by plagiarization!

  78. 97

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    Puddybud Nagin Need Mo Money says:

    Thomas Trainwinder is right. It’s hatred that drives the ASSes here on ASSWipes, not the issues


    Thomas Trainwinder says:

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. Unfortunately, your other positions are as wacky as the Dems.

    10/13/2006 at 6:19 am




  79. 100

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Cluelessman@94: It’s not keeping track on intrigue but knowing who is on what side of the tracks. Wow a big word from Cluelessman; had to use Websters for that one right Flattop?

    I am impressed at your lack of brain power since you are one of the mainstays of ASSWipes!

    But then again you continually demonstrate to all the ‘Wipers your dull knifeness. Hence I called you “Sitting Bull”

    You do remember my definition of Sitting Bull? SPIDER it on ASSWipes Cluelessman!

  80. 101

    YOS LIB BRO spews:




  81. 103

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    So now Cluelessman comes to Thomas’ defense. Butt, where was his voice yesterday? Oh… hairball spwack…. hack… cough…

    One other thing lost on Cluelessman being all ASS (LMAO as he types at least once a day), I said I sometimes agree with Thomas. I can’t seem to remember when I agreed with you but I may have had a LAPSE OF JUDGMENT!

  82. 104

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Wrong oh cluelessone. I put it in quotes. You didn’t!

    Gosh now Cluelessman is entering the twilight zone.

  83. 105

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Cluelessman says “that old saw horse”. You lied about leaving!

    Still a “working” saw horse to me. Liar and plagiarizer. Dull knife too.

  84. 106

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    knowing who is on what side of the tracks




  85. 108

    My Left Foot spews:

    This is where I take a turn (and the only place I do so) from the left.

    Gun control is bad. Period. My weapons are registered. They are stored properly.

    The fact is that more children are killed, and this child’s death is tragic, in unattended swimming pools each year than by hand guns.

    The right of the people to be armed is paramount to our freedom.

  86. 110

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    I said I sometimes agree with Thomas.



  87. 111

    Kelly spews:

    I grew up in Lewiston. One of the best weeks of my 7th grade year in ’77 was the mandatory 10 hours our class spent getting firearms safety training. 2 hours every day, replacing the time spent in our English class. Friday was spent in the gym, where we all got to fire 5 rounds of .22CB ammo from a bolt-action single shot rifle into targets mounted on hay bales.

    This sort of training was considered reasonable since most of us kids grew up with and around firearms. Teaching kids how to be safe with firearms was considered prudent at the time.

    It’s very sad that neither the pistol owner nor the parent in this case wasn’t better trained. Safety rules like this are, as always, written in blood.

  88. 114

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @86 That’s what contingency fees are for. Although our legal system doesn’t allow plaintiffs to recover attorney fees in a pro forma sense, as a practical matter defendants pay the plaintiff’s attorney fees. It comes out of the inflated pain & suffering awards that juries and judges make tortfeasors pay their victims.

    Do plaintiffs’ lawyers (like John Edwards, for example) get rich off this system? Yes, some do, although the more typical lot of plaintiffs’ attorneys is to make a couple thousand here, a couple thousand there, from a lot of small insurance settlements and never know where their next meal is coming from. And they take all the business risks; if they lose the case, they get paid nothing and eat a lot of expenses plus all the time and work they invested int he case. It’s a risky business, and it’s reasonable for contigent-fee lawyers to get paid for the business risks they take. They also have to invest a pretty substantial hunk of capital into their practice to make paydays happen. Everything considered, for most tort lawyers, it’s not a terrific way to make a living.

  89. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    A private law practice is a business, and works like any other business. The capital required is beyond the means of someone who works for salary or has to borrow to go into business. And it’s extremely hard work. My personal lawyer inherited his law practice from his father, who inherited it from HIS father. Part of the reason I went into government work after law school is that I didn’t have a family law firm to go to; I’m the first and only lawyer in my family, which has been in this country for over 100 years now. I came from a professional family that earned a working-class income (my father was a newspaper reporter, my mother didn’t work) and had a lot of kids; there was no financial help from my family, period. I had to put myself through college and law school. Thank God for the GI Bill passed by Democrats after World War II! Thank God for the student loan programs passed by Democrats! Republicans have never done a fucking thing for me. So why should I vote for them? All they want to do is give companies a free ride when they kill or injure our loved ones with defective products, and make us eat the medical bills. Fuck Republicans, they’re freeloading off OUR labor and putting their sticky fingers into OUR pockets every time you turn around! They should all be hanged.*

    * Just kidding! That’s what England did to pickpockets in the old days. So, if Republicans want to bring back the old days — say, 16th century capitalism — then I say, bring back the public hangings of pickpockets too, starting with them! Just kidding! Jokes patented by Ann Coulter Spew, Inc.

  90. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @92 “Goldy now I know why your filter removed the post I made last week. Yes Roger your friend wants you disarmed. ion/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3128″

    Now do you figure that? This link directs me to an NRA site that says a bill the NRA supports has overwhelmingly passed the House of Representatives which happens to be controlled by Democrats in case you slept throught the last election. But this law won’t mean YOU get guns, klake. You’re nuts.

  91. 118

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And it’s perfectly possible, of course, that there are still some reasonable Republicans left out there and even they think Rossi’s bleating about a “stolen election” is a cartload of elephant crap.

  92. 119

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @102 You can’t have a lapse of judgment if you don’t have any to start with. Your judgment when out the window when you became a Republican.

  93. 120

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Puffybutt – while fucking your wife in the ass last night, she admitted you were a draft dodger and a cross – dresser. She also admitted you give money to Muslim organizations. Why do you support the bad guys Puffy?

    Now spew some more Christian love for us on this forum please. I want the world to see what a so-called Christian looks like.

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    Puddybud Who Left The Reservation spews:


    We know you put lipstick on a pig and claim it’s anything you need for the night. I guess Rosy Palm and her four sisters and cousin gets tired.

    How do you function in the workplace?

    So how big is your sow? Do you kill it and eat it later that evening or the next day?

    Did you family disown you yet? Do you have siblings as STUPID as you?

    Do you really like it when children die?

  95. 122

    Puddybud Who Left The Reservation spews:

    Pelletman: There is nothing in your “repertoire” I want to “steal”.

    Who are you calling a thief? You stole from WA state for too many years!

  96. 123

    Puddybud Who Left The Reservation spews:

    Pelletman: Why are you the MIDDLE Rabbit in the that Funpic picture you posted?

  97. 124

    Puddybud Who Left The Reservation spews:

    Getting back to the topic: It’s sad the little tyke died. My condolences to the mother. I bet Idaho DSHS is all over this asking the standard dumb questions while the mother is grieving.

  98. 125

    Puddybud Who Left The Reservation spews:

    Pelletman: Cluelessman proved above Thomas is donk! Reading is not fundamental to you.

    As I said above there is nothing in your “repertoire” I want to “steal” from you.

  99. 127

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Cluelessman even lies when he’s going to “bed”.

    I’M TURNING IN. 06/27/2007 at 10:02 pm

    More blah blah blah 06/27/2007 at 10:33 pm

    What is truth Cluelessman? It doesn’t seem to flow from your fingers too often.

  100. 128

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    John Barelli: Comment #15 Do the Work Thread. It will re-enlighten your mind!

  101. 129

    Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:

    Where is the Voice of ASSes Wiping comment thread on Tom DheLay having one of his “politically motivated” charges dropped by the Texas Supreme Court?

    Ronnie Earle tried to prosecute him on a law passed a year after the “issue” occurred.

  102. 131

    drool spews:

    @41 Roger,

    “For one thing, most young kids don’t know how to release the parking brake,”

    You must never have had kids. They mimic everything grownups do. Put a kid in the drivers seat of a car and just watch.

    I have seen it happen personally.

  103. 135


    Ah, Puddybud.

    Yes, I read your answer, and posted my own reply. Since it has nothing to do with this thread, I’ll let you read it there.

    More to the topic. Handguns are always going to be a hot topic, because both sides are right, from their own perspective, and neither has any idea what is actually motivating the other side.

    Pro-handgun. First and foremost, people have a right, enshrined in the Consitution, to have and maintain the tools necessary to defend themselves and their households, as the police and other law enforcement agencies have clearly stated that they cannot be held responsible for preventing every crime. The best they can do is to try to catch the culprits. This is not much comfort to a person living in an area with 20,000 people, around 100 square miles of territory and three deputy sheriffs. (That would be me.)

    Additionally, another Constitutional argument is that the people should have the tools to overthrow the government by force, should it fail to respond to democratic means.

    Anti-handgun. These are dangerous items, often more dangerous to the owner and innocent people around the owner than to any potential attacker. While the people’s “right” to overthrow an oppressive government is a fine idea in concept, in reality it is not practical, and methods other than armed insurrection must be used.

    As I said. Both sides are right, from their own perspective.

  104. 137

    Travis Pahl spews:

    Mark The Redneck:

    What is that link have to do with what I asked for? I am looking for an article on any of the hundreds of other times a gun was used the day this kid shot himself.

    My point in case you were not getting the sarcasm is that the media and the horses ass is only reporting the tragic accidents, not the times a gun was used responsibly and prevented a murder or a rape etc… This happens so many more times a day than these tragic accidents but are simply not newsworthy preceisly because it is so common.

    A good comparison is airplane crashes. You see the articles and reports on the crash but never reports on a succesful flight. If you based the decision on allowing airplanes based on just the articles of crashing you would think there is no reason to keep planes around.

  105. 138

    James spews:

    You do not have a right to own any and all types or kinds of arms. The right is limited like most rights are! As long as the Guvm’t does not ban all arms it can ban certain types like daggers, revolvers, handguns, assault weapons, and so on. Because you still can own some kind of arms — like rifles.

    This is just like free speech: you have free speech except for speech creating contracts, fraud, defamation, creating too much noise, putting up billboards that are too big, yelling at your 5 year old for 5 hours at a time that he is a pukeface (that would be child abuse), obscenity and so on. It is not an absolute or unlimited right.

    The original right to bear arms in the bill of rights adopted in England in the Glorious Revolution clearly referred to the right to bear arms as allowed by law.

    Tell me second amendment fans: if you are right there is an absolute right to bear arms, attaching to individuals, why is it okay for the State to prohibit YOU from having your own nuclear weapon? Your own anthrax and mustard gas? Your own bombs?