While the Minnow scrounges in boxes for ballot envelopes, massive Republican voter fraud is ignored.

Leave it to a DONK to believe the facts! All us right thinkers know that only DONKS steal elections! Republicans just ensure that they come out the way they should!

Channelling RUFUSBUD – George W. Bush is the selected President!

re 4: Should read: “was NOT committed”

Enjoy it while it lasts, you’ll be out of power for the rest of the century.

The scary part is that the Democratic Party establishment does not appear to be doing anything special to stop the GOP from committing these same crimes all over again, so I expect it will happen again.

Huh? I thought Gore won? When’s the Gore / Kerry runoff?

Personally, I can’t wait for the Hillary/Flipper/Bore rat fight!

This is not new or even breaking news. The subject was the topic of Mark Crispin Miller’s latest book Fooled Again, in which he exhaustively documents the available evidence of voter fraud and manipulation in the 2004 election.

Of course, substantiated documentation of factual evidence, complete with ample citations of the sources from which it comes, will probably do nothing to persuade the closed-minded trolls (like 6 and 8, above).

Hell, even Rancid ButtPutty’s virgin twenty something sons will probably rather vote Democrat than polish their knobs with Rethuglican playmates. . .

“likely changed the outcome”
“the article alleges”
” may have been fraudulently”

Goldy is the consummate wordsmith.
You KLOWNS have fun with this one….just like the one you all believe that no airplane ever hit the Pentagon!!
That one was humorous too!

Have Joel Connelly investigate this one for you.
OOOOPS, Joel, his gardener and a couple that never even lived in Washington are registered at his little Island County Cabin!!!!
Maybe someone else can do it.

The Konservative Krime Klown himself speaks. Tell me, Mr. Cyanide, you Krime Klowns had your day in court in Chelan. . .and you even chose the venue. Would you care to try the same deal in Ohio ?
Or perhaps just twisting, twisting slowly in the wind of public opinion will suit you Konservative Krime Klowns better.
Just remember, your boys are below freezing.

Take a look at your own state first you KLOWNS!
http://www.effwa.org/enforcement/
“On May 12, 2006, the Secretary of State Sam Reed reported that his office had removed 55,000 duplicate and deceased registrants from the Voter Registration Database. Of these registrants, Secretary Reed said there were only 30 cases of double-voting. Previously he confidently asserted that voters with duplicate registrations “are not casting two ballots.”

How does he know? Assistant SOS Steve Excell recently revealed that “The state VRDB does not have voter history going back further than last Fall” and the SOS “has never claimed we were going back in time to re-analyze the 2004 election.”

The lack of desire to investigate systemic voter fraud and election crimes in the 2004 general election is not limited to the SOS. Consider the letter the Jefferson County Prosecutor sent to an alleged double voter. It said that double voting is “taken very seriously by the Auditor and this office (the Prosecutor) because voting is at the core of our democracy. If someone successfully votes twice that destroys the equality of ‘one person, one vote.’ Voting twice will not be tolerated.”

What did the county prosecutor, the elected official in charge of enforcing the law, do to preserve the sanctity of “one person, one vote?” Nothing. Instead the Prosecutor said, “This office will NOT press criminal charges with respect to the 2004 election on the assumption that you made an honest mistake.”

Despite the evidence of potentially thousands of crimes, there were only eight criminal prosecutions stemming from the 2004 general election.

With only a façade of enforcement, no one will stop criminals from committing crimes.

This database is a resource for citizens who are concerned about election integrity, but do not have the time to track alleged crimes and prosecutions. Click on your county to learn about the number of possible crimes in your county and how many, if any, your prosecutor prosecuted. We have included the prosecuting attorney’s contact information, in case you would like to let them know how you feel about their actions or inaction.”

“On October 22nd, a mere eleven days before the election, Ohio Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett … sought to invalidate the registrations of 35,427 voters who had refused to sign for the letters [sent by the the same party] or whose mail came back as undeliverable.(66) Almost half of the challenged voters were from Democratic strongholds in and around Cleveland.(67)”

“There were plenty of valid reasons that voters had failed to respond to the mailings: The list included people who couldn’t sign for the letters because they were serving in the U.S. military, college students whose school and home addresses differed,(68) and more than 1,000 homeless people who had no permanent mailing address.(69) But the undeliverable mail, Bennett claimed, proved the new registrations were fraudulent.”

“By law, each voter was supposed to receive a hearing before being stricken from the rolls.(70) Instead, in the week before the election, kangaroo courts were rapidly set up across the state at Blackwell’s direction that would inevitably disenfranchise thousands of voters at a time(71) — a process that one Democratic election official in Toledo likened to an ”inquisition.”(72)”

Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

Just don’t forget, Konservative Krime Klowns, the voter fraud discovered in Washington was Republican Voter Fraud. Spin that one Krime Klown.

In other words, the KKK right wing of the taliban GOP is okay with fraud, just so long as it cost Dems votes. Otherwise, they don’t like it. And by the way, the case in Chelan pointed out that the only ILLEGAL – read that FRAUDULENT votes counted in the most recent Washington State election for Governor were cast for the republican by republicans. Therefore, it looks like ANOTHER case of a republican crook voting for a republican crook.

“Lance deHaven-Smith: It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000.”

Here in Washington, the Republicans don’t want us to look at and duplicate ballots. They say voter intent can’t be determined. They are liars.

And if you want to read more about republican crooks, here goes….
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13086315/from/RS.3/

For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000.”

Commentby Harry Tuttle— 6/1/06@ 1:25 pm

Those numbers are probably correct, but it doesn’t mean that (1) a large number of the over-votes were same candidate write-in overvotes or (2) that Gore got significantly more same candidate write-in overvotes than Bush.

Most of the overvotes in Florida came from counties where the presidential candidates (there were 10 of them in Florida in 2000) were listed in either two separate columns (on optical scan ballots) or on two separate pages (on punchcard ballots). Many people voted for one presidential candidate on each page or each column, thus invalidating their vote.

Overvotes also happened (less frequently by the way) in Palm Beach County, which used the butterfly ballot — candidates listed on both sides on the page — making people vote for two line numbers in a row, because the presidential candidate and vice-presidential candidate were on separate lines, rather than follow the arrow to the correct punch circle.

Vastly more Gore supporters did the two candidate overvote, than did Bush supporters. In some poor, heavily black precincts, which Gore otherwise carried by well over 90%, the percentage of double candidate overvotes was in the 25% range — enough to wipe out Bush’s victory margin if only a couple of these precincts had all voted correctly.

As for the same candidate write-in overvote, these probably broke down more evenly between Bush and Gore. In any event, under Florida law, such votes were probably invalid in 2000. Otherwise, Gore would have made a big stink about this at the time.

So in Florida people were too dumb to vote properly using the butterfly machines, etc. and in Ohio people were to easily discouraged by long lines.

Failed Dem execution lost both elections for you.

Lesson: when you program your voters in minority districts make sure and tell them that they have to vote legally, properly and they actually have to vote, or the votes won’t count. You want dumb, easily goaded voters, but you also want them to be smart, determined voters.

The Democrat Paradox.

Mr. Frog Farmer: Calling me a name is childish and doesn’t advance your side of the “debate.”

Other than going on and on about exit polls there is very little “meat” in the allegations listed here. Until officials are elected by exit polls I’m not buying it.

The allegations agains KC elections are far more specific and credible. Besides the judge ruled a standard that is impossible. Determine how the individual actually voted in a secret ballot election. Yeah right!

Let’s just say for for a moment the Ohio WAS “stolen.” You’re just pissd that you were taken down by your own tactics.

This is why lefties hate Ann Coulter. She spouts off like a dyed in the wool liberal, calling peoples names and using invective language. But it’s OK when Al Franken & Co. does it.
Sure it is.

Can you say double standard? **Or just call me more names.**

Gore won, in any case

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

“Kerry Wins!” by Goldy, 06/01/2006, 12:10 PM

Gore won, in any case -Commentby Harry Tuttle— 6/1/06@ 1:59 pm

President George W. Bush 2001 – present.

{snicker}

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re 39: There’s plenty of “meat” in the allegations against Republicans: Blackwell’s paper weight scam, the shifting of voting machines, organized phone calling threatening legal voters with jail time, expunging voter rolls illegally. All of these are fully documented facts.

Your bland denial of an obvious truth makes you as culpable as the people who actually did the cheating.

Ask yourself this Jackie Boy: If we can’t get some justice on these phony elections, what do you suppose a valid move would be to make a person like yourself a believer in honest elections? What loss are you willing to take in return for the one you are inflicting?

Asswipe at 43….that draft-dodging – AWOL coward might be YOUR president, but he certainly isn’t mine. And based on the polls, you’re one of the few idiots still stupid enough to support the Liar and Chief!

A write-in overvote where the write-in is the same as the candidate voted for should count as a vote for the candidate.

Commentby Harry Tuttle— 6/1/06@ 1:52 pm

Okay Harry — you’re a pretty smart fellow. So a question:

Do you have any sources to show the number of two candidate overvotes versus same candidate write-in overvotes in Florida 2000, and how the latter category may have broken between Bush and Gore?

All I have been able to find (so far) is the speculation by Lance deHaven-Smith in his article in Research in Review Magazine, Florida State University, Fall/Winter 2005:

http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter.....field.html

DeHaven-Smith speculates that many African-American voters decided to be really careful and wrote-in Al Gore, in addition to punching or marking his name. But he cites no statistics or sources for his theory.

As for myself, I remember looking at the precinct breakdowns in several Florida counties from counties that put these on-line. The heavily African-American (in the South, this can mean nearly 100%) precincts were easy to spot, since there were some where Gore got 95% or 98% of the vote. But we can simply IGNORE race for a minute — since Gore did get nearly all the vote in many precincts, for whatever reason.

Duval County in 2000 use a punchcard system. The presidential candidates were listed on two separate pages. So Duval would have been prone to double votes for President — a candidate from the first page (which included Gore and Bush) and a candidate from the second page (which included four or five largely unknown minor party candidates).

The other top-of-the-ballot race was for U.S. Senate, which was won by Democrat Bill Nelson. There were only two or three candidates for U.S. Senate, and they would have all been on the same page.

(Do you remember punch card ballots? You stick them in the ballot holder, and there is a heavy cardboard book, with several pages, that line up to each line on the punch card ballot. You flip each page, and vote for the candidates according on each page. Florida law required the candidates for President and Vice-President be listed on separate lines. So if there were more than five or six — ten in Florida 2000 — you had to use two punchcard pages, or the butterfly arrangement on the other side of the page. If the same race appears on two consecutive pages, it is understandable why the less observant would vote twice.)

As I recall, the Duval County (Jacksonville) vote for President in heavy 90%+ Gore precincts was often 20% to 25% less than the vote for U.S. Senate — as in the total number of valid votes recorded in the race.

If African-Americans (or any other group) thought it important to both mark the ballot and write-in the same candidate, then presumably they would have done this in each race, and not just for President. In such event, the U.S. Senate valid vote should not have been significantly higher than the President valid vote.

Another issue is write-in votes on punch card ballots. As I recall, this is not very easy to do. You have to write the names in on a ballot security flap, which folds back over the punch card section. When ballots are later tabulated, each one is inspected to see if votes are written on the security flap.

If thousands, or even hundreds, of African-American (or other) voters in Duval County had written in Gore, the Democrat observers would have noticed this. Especially when the Gore write-ins vastly outnumbered the Bush write-ins.

Absolutely nothing was said or heard about this in 2000. So presumably nothing of the sort happened on any major scale.

“A review by the Jacksonville-based Florida Times-Union found that nearly 42 percent of the discarded votes in Duval County came from City Council Districts 7, 8, 9 and 10, located in predominantly African-American areas of Jacksonville. More than 11,300 of the 59,650 ballots in those four districts—about 19 percent—were thrown out. By comparison, 7.5 percent were discarded in District 4, where 64 percent voted for Bush.”

“Nearly 22,000 out of the 27,000 votes were nullified because voters chose more than one presidential candidate. Like Palm Beach County, a confusing ballot contributed to the large number of so-called overvotes. In Duval County 10 presidential candidates were listed over two pages. A sample ballot made public before the election included instructions to “Vote each page.” A different ballot, telling voters to “turn page for continued list of candidates for president and vice president,” was presented on Election Day. It is likely that many voters picked a president on page one, then voted again on the second page, resulting in the discarding of their votes.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2.....-d13.shtml

Ask yourself this Jackie Boy: If we can’t get some justice on these phony elections, what do you suppose a valid move would be to make a person like yourself a believer in honest elections?

Vote in person and show ID
Mail-in votes only for valid reasons not convenience.
Non participation in 2 elections requires re-registration
Show proof of citizenship and valid address to register
Enhancement of ballots NOT authorized
zero balance account by election officials of envelopes vs signatures in voting books.
cut off date for counting, eliminates “Oh we found some ballots.”

Just a hint koolaid guzzlers…. your fixations on the past is the reason you don’t win in the present.

But, please Kerry ON!

Or should I have said Kerry ON and Bore us some Gore?

ARMY DOG HANDLER CONVICTED

An Army sergeant was convicted by court-martial today on Abu Ghraib detainee abuse charges, bringing to 11 the number of soldiers found guilty of criminal conduct in the treatment of Iraqi prisoners.

Remember when the rightwing fucks pooh-poohed the torture charges, said it was all b.s., etc.? Well, folks, they LIED and tried to COVER UP criminal conduct. Unpatriotic bastards — and these traitors have the NERVE to plaster American Flags on their cars and call themselves “patriots.”

And now that proof is before us that the 2004 election was STOLEN in Ohio by massive FRAUD committed by REPUBLICANS, they’ll pooh-pooh that, too, and say it’s all b.s., etc.

Given the rightwing fucks’ sorry record of LYING and COVERING UP criminal conduct by the illegitimate Bush administration, anything they say about the Rolling Stone article is just RIGHT WING PARTISAN BULLSHIT and ain’t worth a BUCKET OF WARM SPIT.

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Hey buttfuck, I’m talking about YOU when I refer to right-wing traitors who should be hanged — but I’m just kidding about the hanging part, ha-ha-ha!!!

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Hey Ass, you should be hanged as a traitor, too — but remember, I’M JUST KIDDING!!! (About hanging you, that is.)

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

Now we have to figure out how to keep these fascist bastards from appointing Brother Jeb to the White House in 2008. If we can’t choose our own government in this country anymore — if we’re going to be stuck with these lying, thieving, warmongering, torturing, fuckers forever — then we’ve got two choices:

[ ] 1. Resign ourselves to living under a right-wing dictatorship
[ ] 2. Guns

Like Russians, the American people live under a gangster government.

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Lock and load! If they steal a third consecutive presidential election, the majority whose constitutional rights are being trampled ought to take this country apart. There should be massive riots in the streets until the Republican gangsters are forced to board their corporate jets and seek refuge in Paraguay.

RR:

While the Bush admin is busy abolishing our civil rights, at least they’ve left the 2nd amendment alone.

I think you know what I mean. And, I’m not kidding. Yes, I am. No, I’m not. Well, as much as Tranny Annie kids around.

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And then we should convene Special Tribunals and hunt them down like dogs, like the Israelis hunted the Nazis.

State Comptroller Alan Hevesi publicly apologized Thursday for a “beyond dumb” remark about a fellow Democrat putting “a bullet between the president’s eyes.”

Hevesi called a mea culpa press conference hours after putting his foot in his mouth at the Queens College commencement.

Havesi gave the following tribute to U.S. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY):

“The man who, how do I phrase this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between the president’s eyes if he could get away with it. The toughest senator, the best representative. A great, great member of the Congress of the United States.”

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/9306297/detail.html

Roger Rabbit needs to go back to Rabbit Meadows Sanctuary:

http://www.rabbitrodentferret......ctuary.asp

It is a quiet peaceful place for him to recover from his castration wounds.

@ 75:

Couldn’t we just skip the where we force them on their corporate jets and hunt them down like the fascists Nazi’s they are, or do you just like to give them a “sporting chance?”

Personally, I am against the “sporting chance” school of thought, but you’re nicer than I am.

Liberals with guns

Ah, the

What is a Roger Rabbit?

A Roger Rabbit is born outside and raised without close human contact. A Roger Rabbit does not have the instincts of the wild rabbit. A Roger Rabbit will tunnel about 12 inches under the ground. They have the burrowing instincts of their wild cousins, but that does not translate into being able to dig deep enough to keep warm in the winter. These tunnels also collapse when it rains. Over time, breeding without human intervention, their colors return to that of their ancestors, so that at first glance they look wild. With time and patience, a Roger Rabbit can be brought into a human home and learn to appreciate, rather than fear, the human touch. They will enjoy lounging on your sofa, or laying over a heat vent. Given enough time and patience, a Roger Rabbit will become indistinguishable from our domestic pets. There are many people in the Seattle area who have rescued Roger Rabbits from Woodland Park, and can attest to what a great pet they have become.

The back legs of Roger Rabbits are not as long as wild rabbits, their front legs have greater width and their face is not as pointed. Roger Rabbits have, in general a larger body image than their wild cousins. Roger Rabbits often run away from their burrows when frightened or chased, frequently leading to disastrous results.

http://www.woodlandparkrabbits.....bbits.html

Isn’t it interesting that Dubya “won” each of his elections by one state, and in both 2000 and 2004, he obtained his winning margin of electoral votes in states where elections were controlled by GOP officials and massive irregularities have been documented.

Interesting article in Business Week that you should read. Hugo Chavez said there is excess oil on the world market and there should be a “minimum” price of $50 per bbl.
So you may be right about this one, I’ll go along with you and say we’ll see $60 per bbl before we see $80 with one condition. Military conflict with Iran. Since, as you very well know, oil is purchased in the futures market and any more turmoil in the Persian Gulf, even if just serious saber rattling, could drive the price above $80.
Commentby GBS— 6/1/06@ 2:29 pm

GBS—
I believe this whole oil price bullshit is a Wall Street fix.
Prices are going to drop quickly.
I sold out part of my oil holding last November….and the rest of my oil stocks in April and Early May.
I am 100% OUT of oil.
Question GBS—
What play should I make if I’m convinced oil prices will plummet in the next 4 months?????

HCYBPTBAA @ 83:

Why don’t they put a picture of Dick Cheney on that ad? Afterall, out of the 4 people, Al Gore, Sen Feinstein, Rosie, and “Dead Eye” Dick, only Dick has discharged his weapon carelessly and shot a fellow hunter.

@94

just kidding HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

51.

I can’t imagine that anyone has looked at those ballots for the write-in overvote case, it’s real inside baseball. I’m sure deHaven-Smith is applying his pasts analyses of Florida voting over the years to those vote.

I can say that the write-in overvote was pretty prevalent in 2005, but I doubt the numbers were tracked, since they were duplicated for the candidates the voters were clearly voting for.

The first thing that struck me about deHaven-Smith’s statement was his estimate of the number of overvotes, 2/3 the total spoiled ballots, about 115,000. Even if only the WaPo look at the for Gore, for Bush ones gets us 63,000. In King County in 2004 there were 218 overvotes in the Governor’s race. That tells me that more than 1,000 in Florida should raise alarm.

An true overvote is a pretty rare thing, even when SoundPolitics readers are marking them intentionally, as they did in 2005. States that are reporting overvotes in the tens of thousands are running operations that are throwing out valid votes. Even on punch card the chads should not fall out that easily. In a marked ballot system, I don’t buy it at all.

In addition, 50,000 more ballots that were spoiled strikes me as odd.

6.5% of the ballots being thrown out is bad.

All is not lost, my patriotic, true-blue, liberal friends! Their clumsy attempt to steal the Washington governor’s election for a former janitor backfired on them! Now they have egg all over their faces.

HEY HARRY TELL US AGAIN JOW MUCH GORE WON TN BY.OH THATS RIGHT HE NOT ONLY DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION BUT FAILED TO WIN HIS OWN STATE.HARRY GORES A LOSER AND SO SHOVE THAT UP YOUR ASS.YOU LOST GET OVER IT.

@ 91:

I’ll have to think about that one. Off the top of my head though, shorting oil companies may be profitable, all though that’s not a play I ever make. I don’t dabble in the futures market either, but betting on Aug futures in oil at $60 bbl might not be bad either, if the price declines.

A sector that I’ve been looking at lately, but have no plays selected yet, are companies the specialize in oil refinery construction, maintenance, repair, and pipe line construction. I believe oil refineries may get a chance to expand if the GOP holds their majority in both houses this fall.

I am looking at a stock that I held about 2 years ago, GDP. It had one hell of a ride up and then couldn’t pass $30. Right now it’s falling in price and I’m not a bottom feeder for stock purcahses, but, in the last couple of weeks there’s been about $2 million dollars worth of purchases from inside traders @ 23.95 and $25.71.

For me the fundamentals aren’t there technnically, but when a beneficial owner plunks down $2 million of his own money, it does get my attention.

What are you considering?

It’s easy… they don’t have a (D) after their name.

Well, it looks like has your number d’RATS!

thanks for clogging things up George.

YO @ 101:

Originally, I was going to write some smart ass response to your post using double negatives in a run on sentence. But I just couldn’t dumb it down that far to write in the same manner as you do.

So I’ll just say what your conservatives colleagues are thinking; “YO, Please stop posting. Your incoherent rants make us conservatives look really, really stupid. You are not helping to advance our cause. Please hang out an SP where nobody BUT republicans are writing and your ignorance won’t be on display for the whole world to see.”

OK, run along you idiot savant.

What is an idiot savant?
The word idiot usually refers to a simpleton, in contrast to the word “savant” in French that means “learned one.” Idiot savants are a subgroup of a class of people called idiots with an IQ of about 25. .”

Yep, that about sums it up for YO: an IQ of about 25.

Just like GWB has clogged his toilet of a government

Mr. Pope, if you catch that damned rabbit, we’ll pay you $50 for his belt.

Richard, just an FYI … three weeks ago, Animal Control offered a $50 reward for the location of my burrow, so I gave it to them and they DIDN’T PAY!!! Redneck isn’t the only welsher on this board. Just thought you oughta know before you make a big investment of your blood, your sweat, and your tears in trying to make a rabbit stew out of me.

Your pal and brother before the Bar, Roger

thought the study showed that these sort of children (whiny, insecure, unadventurous) grew up to be conservatives?? -Commentby rwb— 6/1/06@ 4:15 pm

Sorry sweetcheeks, perhaps with your ADD you weren’t quite paying attention… it is NEWSWEEK that claims They resemble nothing so much as ill-adjusted adolescents, afraid of their own shadows.

Of course, for once, I happen to agree with Newsweek.

-But what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush.-

Wow, sounds like the same way W pulled off his ‘win’ in 2000! Such a shame that the architect of that coup d’etat – Katherine Harris – is going down in flames….

“Although not widely known until much later, Al Gore received 202 more votes than George W. Bush on election day in Florida. George W. Bush is president because he overcame his election day deficit with overseas absentee ballots that arrived and were counted after election day. In the final official tally, Bush received 537 more votes than Gore. These numbers are taken from the official results released by the Florida Secretary of State’s office and so do not reflect overvotes, undervotes, unsuccessful litigation, butterfly ballot problems, recounts that might have been allowed but were not, or any other hypothetical divergence between voter preferences and counted votes. After the election, the New York Times conducted a six-month investigation and found that 680 of the overseas absentee ballots were illegally counted, and almost no one has publicly disagreed with their assessment.

…We also present a variety of new empirical results that delineate the precise conditions under which Al Gore would have been elected president, and offer new evidence of the striking effectiveness of the Republican effort to convince local election officials to count invalid ballots in Bush counties and not count them in Gore counties.”

http://gking.harvard.edu/files.....-abs.shtml

So why did the nation essentially shrug? It still infuriates me to this day. We’ve lost thousands of our men and women and trillions of dollars with these idiots and all people do is go “meh?”

If there is any more evidence needed that the media is very conservative indeed just look to their “work” on the 2000 and 2004 elections.

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The fact that a few wonks attending a conference for professional pollsters didnit do a good job of articulating a case for election fraud doesn’t mean there was no election fraud.

In any case, pollsters are not investigative journalists, and don’t see it as their job to expose election fraud. They’re statisticians by trade.

Your link proves (or disproves) nothing.

The trouble with the wishful thinking Donks is not that there was too much fraud. It was that there was not enough:

Ohio Voter Fraud
From MSNBC’s “The Abrams Report”

October 19, 2004

MSNBC’s DAN ABRAMS: We`re back. Who would have thought that Mary Poppins, Michael Jackson and George Foreman all lived in the same tiny little voting district in Ohio, not Beverly Hills, California. Officials in Defiance, Ohio, uncovered a number of voter registration forms with familiar names like Dick Tracy and Janet Jackson all with the addresses in the same Ohio block.

The town sheriff, whom we`ll talk to in a moment, did some investigating and arrested a man who allegedly filled out more than 100 fake voter registration forms, but that`s not all. It wasn`t a spoonful of sugar that got Mary Poppins to register a vote. A spoonful of something else might have been responsible.

Authorities say Chad Staton may have been paid with drugs, crack cocaine, for his efforts. Who paid him? Authorities say a woman named Georgianna Pitts confessed to just that. She says she was working with the NAACP Voter Fund in Toledo as a volunteer. Authorities say Pitts hired Staton to get people to fill out the voter registration forms and in return, Pitts gave Staton crack. Police raided Pitts` home and found drug paraphernalia, marijuana, voter registration forms. She`s now facing drug charges. Not surprisingly, her neighbors were a little surprised to hear the news.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She doesn`t appear to be the type of person that would do that type of thing or even be interested enough in politics.

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ABRAMS: Yes, you`ve got two problems. She apparently, according to the neighbor, didn`t seem like a drug dealer and wasn`t interested in politics.

We called the NAACP. They would not come on the program. They did give us this statement.

Quote — The NAACP National Voter Fund is shocked by the stories swirling in Ohio regarding a Defiance man who has allegedly filled in over 100 fraudulent voter registration forms in exchange for cocaine. The NAACP National Voter Fund has detailed guidelines outlining procedures that should be followed by volunteers. The individual arrested is not a volunteer on record with our organization. Any person who walks — works on behalf of NVF is required to abide by these guidelines and all applicable federal and state law.

Joining me now is the man who arrested the man for faking the voter registration forms, Defiance County Ohio Sheriff David Westrick. Sheriff, thanks very much for taking the time to come on the program. We appreciate it.

SHERIFF DAVID WESTRICK, DEFIANCE COUNTY OH: Thank you very much.

ABRAMS: Tell me how you found out about this. I mean, you know, first you find out about fake voter registration forms. Does it all come together at one time or did it come in sort of point-by-point?

WESTRICK: Well, we were contacted by our Board of Elections here in Defiance County and stated that they had received over 100 voter registrations from Cuyahoga County and that they didn`t look right. And so we went over and picked them up and we started to look at all of them. And when we saw that Janet Jackson and Dick Tracy had signed up to vote in Defiance County, we thought that to be suspicious. And through looking at all of those, we came up with a common denominator and that was Chad
Staton.

ABRAMS: So, you found that all the handwriting seems to match, et cetera. You get this group of forms together, and then what happened? How do you find out that at least this woman says she was paying — she admits that she was paying him crack to fill out these voter registration forms?

WESTRICK: She was helpful to law enforcement. Chad stated that he was given a choice of crack or money and he chose to be paid with crack cocaine. And with — along with the help of the Toledo Police Department, we did a search warrant of her home and came up with some paraphernalia and also some voter registrations and she was also cooperative with law enforcement.

ABRAMS: So, again, so let`s be clear. Neither of them are denying the allegations that you are laying out, is that correct?

WESTRICK: That`s correct. Neither are denying that.

ABRAMS: And how does this woman explain — I mean she is supposedly volunteering her time working to get people registered to vote. How does she explain her thinking process in giving this guy crack to fill out the voter registration forms?

WESTRICK: Well, she stated she was paid $2 for each voter registration form that she could get for Thaddeus Jackson who works for the NAACP.

ABRAMS: And they deny that, correct?

WESTRICK: And — well, no, Thaddeus Jackson works for the NAACP and Georgianna Pitts was working for the NVF, and that isn`t denied. That…

ABRAMS: What about the $2 though, the $2 per, is that — do they admit that they were paying her $2?

WESTRICK: Well, our calls to the NAACP have gone unanswered, but we had receipts there that showed where they had paid her $2 to get people to register to vote.

ABRAMS: Is that legal?

WESTRICK: I believe it is.

ABRAMS: Yes. OK. So that`s not the problem here as a legal matter, right? The legal problem…

WESTRICK: No, the problem…

ABRAMS: Yes. Go ahead. I`m sorry.

WESTRICK: … is that Georgianna Pitts paid Staton with crack cocaine for the 100-plus registrations he took to her.

ABRAMS: And again, any, you know, any indication from her as to how she decided, you know what, I really am interested in getting, you know, the vote out in this election and you know I`m thinking of a good way might be to pay this guy with crack.
She give you any sense of what led her to come up with that solution?

WESTRICK: Well, Georgianne thought what she was doing was very important getting people to register. It was just her way of paying for it is a way out of the ordinary.

ABRAMS: Yes, to say the least. All right. Sheriff, finally, one other question. Sheriff, just to state for the purpose of disclosure, you are Republican-elected — is that true?

WESTRICK: That`s correct.

ABRAMS: And to those who say this is political, you would say what?

WESTRICK: They don`t know me very well.

ABRAMS: Sheriff Westrick, thanks for coming on the program. Appreciate it.

WESTRICK: Thank you.

ABRAMS: Good to see you. From now until Election Day, we`re going to keep on top of all the legal issues that could impact the election. You can get more information on NBC`s Making Your Vote Count project on our Web site, abramsreport.msnbc.com. While you`re there, sign up for our newsletter. Jamie will keep you up to date on what`s going on. She is writing these great newsletters. You`ll know ahead of time what stories we`re covering each day.

Sven, nice source. That’s like listening to Rush talk about the evils of illegal drugs.

Problem is, Rabbit, I’m not a Right Winger.

Wow you dems seem awful pissed. Who is with me on making it mandatory to reregister every voter, give them an ID and make them show it at the polls. Get rid of vote-by-mail. Together we can stop voter fraud.

Hehehehehehe-

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Surely Hahahahaha you donks (snicker) are for that. So (hysterical laughter) who is with me.

Ah this should be good. LMFAO

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Well if reregister everyone then there should be voter challanges that we have now. No excuse Clueless. We need election reform. Are you with me Clueless!!!!

Just imagine an election free from voter challanges and voter fraud. We can do it. No one lampooning the KCRE. No one blaming it on Diebold. Are you with me!!!

Clueless

We make people register their guns when they buy one. Why? Why should we make people jump through hoops just to own a gun? Do you consider the right to vote equal to the right to bear arms?

What clueless doesnt know is that I already got him in check mate. He can move on this in any direction he wants and I have him covered.

especially when DOOFUS is counting on them being too busy.

You can register to vote anytime you feel like up to 1 month before the election. With the new system you would only have to register once for voting and if you ever move a simple change of address form is all that is need to route you to the proper polling place. So how about it Clueless!!

Come on Clueless. Be consistent here. You have got to be for this new system. Or to be consistent would you allow people to buy and sell guns with no restrictions as long as they are a registered gun owner. Whats is your answer clueless?

So if two owners trade guns then why do we make them register that gun. Isn’t that trampling on their rights? Why should the government know what kind of gun you own? Why should they even know you own a gun?

I still got you in checkmate clueless. You can run but you can’t hide.

And you can’t hide your ugly vote suppression agenda DOOFUS which is the subject of this thread by the way.

Do you deny that you want to make it harder for people to vote? I’ll answer that – of course you do.

But we know you’re lying.

Interesting, Rufus that you ignored my question in order to press your own point. This discussion has been going on for months and months, and quite a few thoughtful people have directly answered your points. And yet you act as though you’ve just caught Clueless flatfooted.

The real issue here is that you don’t listen, because you don’t want to, because you seem to see yourself a God’s right hand man.

See clueless, I dont understand why you lefties hollar so loudly at the supposed voter fraud you see from the right. If you believe that the right to vote should be loosely regulated then this sort of thing should not be suprising and should shrugged off as part of the price you pay of having a liberal voting registration process. That is why when liberals complain about voter fraud most people chuckle.

Bottom line guys. You cant have it both ways. You cant be taken seriously about voter fraud when you are not serious about voter registration. You can spin it all you want but the answer will always be the same. Your jokes.

You haven’t answered my question about Sam Reed DOOFUS.

I repeat – the only votes declared blatantly and undeniably illegal in the last Washington state election were cast by republicans for republicans. That according to a republican judge working in the most conservative district in Washington state. Nuff said.

You know a national ID would be great to use for voter ID. We would know who is legal and who isnt as well. Would solve a lot of problems. The donks would not go for it though. Cost too many votes for their side.

Hell, even Rancid ButtPutty’s virgin twenty something sons will probably rather vote Democrat than polish their knobs with Rethuglican playmates. . .

Commentby Tree Frog Farmer— 6/1/06@ 12:48 pm

Fogged: You been practicing on the bedroom or bathroom doorknob? Enquiring minds want to know!

KARL IF YOU FIX THE SYSTEM THE DEMOCRATS DONT STAND A CHANCE.

“Was the 2004 Washington State governor’s race stolen??
YES. Without a doubt. Just ask Bill Huennekens (“We shouldn’t have counted those votes…”) and Dean Logan.

Yes, Green Thumb. Have you?

Green Thumb, I need to inform you that the person who calls themself “YO” is not the same as my handle, which is “Yo”. The YO person is trying to impersonate me and make you guys think that I’m some foul-mouthed poster who just drives by and says gross things. Hope everyone here has caught that distinction. I’ll remind you as many times as I have to. I am the upper-case Y and lower-case o poster. And I’m not in here too much. But the YO faker is.

Btw, I answered your question at 172. But you haven’t answered mine at 173. How about reciprocating?

Green Thumb, you didn’t really read my post at 175, did you? Because you addressed me as YO instead of Yo, as if I’m the foul-mouthed faker that comes in here and impersonates me. In fact, I’m not going to use that handle anymore after today because of the faker, since I would never talk like he does.
And you didn’t reciprocate directly to answer me as I did you. How about it?

But I’ll just conclude by saying that after all that has come out about the 2004 Gov. election here in WA, (we can all do the math in our heads, which is why Gregoire always loses big in hypothetical matchups for ’08. Everyone else in this state saw what I saw and are anxious to right that wrong), I am very certain that a lot of bad stuff went down at that time and that Gregoire was ‘helped’ by King County Elections. Even KCE will tell you they counted stuff they shouldn’t have. When you factor out all the fraudulently counted and cast ballots in dem-heavy King county, it’s pretty clear what you would have come up with–and it isn’t Gregoire, and everyone knows it. ciao

So Green Thumb you’re saying that you ARE a christian, are you? I noticed that you have a hard time saying it directly. But I guess that doesn’t really affect me. Just something for you to ponder on your own.

To tell you the truth, I don’t even NEED to ask God if the WA election was stolen. Because my entire thoughts on the race are all there for you to read at 179. No more, no less. I’m quite sure she didn’t win. Take it or leave it, if you will.

Green, I ahve been around here for a while, and so far all i hear is baseless allegations of disengranchisment.

The simple fact is that voting is a serious issue, and ir purging the rolls and claeing it up would ensure integrity, then i dont see that as disenfranchising anyone who is legally entitled to vote.

And I have always said so.

No, I havent posted here lately. Frankly it;s been a bit boring.

:)

I repeat – the only votes declared blatantly and undeniably illegal in the last Washington state election were cast by republicans for republicans. That according to a republican judge working in the most conservative district in Washington state. Nuff said.

No Michael we get all our serious political news from NewsMax!!!

This makes me question Sims’s plan for going to all mail-in ballots. Seems like absentee ballots are far more fraud-prone than in-person voting.

GBS—
I was saying I was considering trading puts on some oil & gas stocks—-which is worse than what I accused you of when you said you put all your dough into 1 stock.
Still haven’t decided what to do….oil is up $2/bbl today.
May buy some Exxon October $$62.50 puts.

My broker sold Skecher’s (SKX) today at $27.85.
I bot it in Dec. 2004 @ $13.02 or something like that….so it’s L-T Capital Gain (15%).
This is a good year so far.

I just have a weird feeling that these Oil Stocks may tank short-term.

Ken Blackwell had to deal with a ton of democrat vote fraud shenanigans; having to come behind them and undo fraudulent activity that they were trying to set up.

Oh yeah, because you can rely on Rolling Stone to provide a non-partisan article. Yeah, right. They are the epitome of the term ‘liberal media’.

I’m not saying that wasn’t any funny business in the 2004 election; in fact, I’d say it’s fair to say that there’s a lot of shenanigans in *every* election by *both* sides (i don’t trust any politicians of either major party, nor most of the independents either). But how you guys can just blindly trust Rolling Stone of all sources makes me laugh, cringe and throw up all at the same time.

Goldy–I assure you, you’re not nutty. All you need is electronic voting without a paper trail. I’m listening to Science Friday right now and the discrepancy in Ohio is one of the topics. To me one clue is that I heard a new report in which a voter in Ohio was interviewed and she stood in line nine hours to vote!!! NINE HOURS–what the heck–this has to point to probability that there was something wrong here.

I sent a letter to the Washington Secretary of State after the 2000 election suggesting that all ballots need to be randomly numbered and be in duplicate. Then each county’s ballots need to be posted on the internet in random number sequence that shows the vote on each ballot. This way every voter could check to see that their vote was counted, and counted correctly, and if it wasn’t they can take their duplicate to their courthouse and find out why. The Secretary of State office gave me this bogus reason why this could not be done–“you ballot would no longer be secret”–I tried to explain to them that the only person that would know who cast the numbered ballot would be the voter, but I got nowhere. I have voted since I was 21 (now you know how old I am–you had to be 21 to vote when I first registered) and after the ballot left my hands I have no idea if any of them were ever counted.

Goldy–yes, but what about the vast number of US citizens that are not computer savvy, and there are tons of ’em–especially senior citizens, and they turn out to vote the most. I believe that computer voting is definitely the wave of the future, but until that time you have to allow for various ballot forms. Besides how would you know that your ballot had been counted if you vote by computer? I like Oregon’s way of voting by mail except for one thing, I don’t trust the managers of the snail mail system. I called a lot of absentee voters right before election day to remind them to post mark their ballot by 2 November, and many of them said, “I’m returning my ballot in person,” so I guess I’m not the only person in CONUS that has misgivings about our postal system. Heck, look at all those thousands of people that didn’t get their absentee ballot through the mail.

I’d also do one more thing to change national election day–I’d make it a holiday, and if you could prove that you voted you’d get paid time and a half–if you don’t vote you’d just get paid straight time. For people that have jobs that don’t allow a day off you’d get paid time and a half and your regular daily wage which would equal double time and a half. I wouldn’t change the day of the week the elections are held–because if it were on a Monday or a Friday too many people would be tempted to take the three day weekend and skip the voting.

Sorry, Goldy, gotta disagree with you on this one. Palast took silvers of data and tried to extrapolate (wrongly) the results. My apologies for quoting the following at length (the whole post is at http://www.captainsquartersblo.....003012.php). I would be curious to hear your reasoned comments! (I may disgree with you from time to time, but you always make good arguements.)

“First, even supposing the exit-poll numbers are what Palast claims (and they’re not), which sample provides the better accuracy: interviews with 1,000 voters at a few random precincts — likely all in accessible urban areas — or 6,000,000 ballots? Based on the larger sample, one would expect the questionable 450,000 ballots to break along the lines of the 6,000,000. Kerry would have to win 293,000 to 157,000, almost a 2-1 margin. Even based on the exit polling, where Kerry was up by four or five points, you’d expect the remainder to split 237K-213K, only taking 24,000 off of Bush’s lead.”

Further:

“…Palast is being intellectually dishonest. He doesn’t care about spoilage, or else he’d be checking Wisconsin, where pre-election polling put Bush ahead, or Iowa, or even Pennsylvania, where the margin of votes putting Kerry up on Bush was even smaller than Ohio (127,000 votes). He’s using statistically suspect exit polling and intellectually bankrupt arguments about mishandled ballots because his candidate lost.”

I completly agree with Goldy (gasp) on the comment about open source electronis voting software. What I find sickening is that we can put remote control video cameras on wheels on Mars…but not devise something to accurately count 1 to 1!

But i’mnot supprosed, considering we suppress any development that goes against the incumbants. I.E., hydrogen fuel cells. Of course, after two hundred years, how are we expected to count correctly when were too busy forcing other countries do it our way?