Karl Rove’s secret affair

The other Washington is all a titter over reports of an illicit affair between Karl Rove and “comely lobbyist” Karen Johnson.

Rove, who stands accused of using leaks and slurs against Sen. John McCain , terrorism adviser Richard Clarke and CIA agent Valerie Plame , was mum yesterday when we called about Johnson, a never-married, fortysomething GOP loyalist from Austin, Tex.

The two are said to have gotten acquainted when Johnson sat on the board of then-Gov. George W. Bush’s Business Council.

“Their friendship reportedly deepened after Bush appointed Johnson – a little-known spokesperson for the Texas Good Roads Association – to a seat on his Transportation Department transition team in 2000,” Radaronline.com reports. “The plum appointment enabled Johnson’s lobbying firm, Infrastructure Solutions, to snare such high-paying clients as Aetna and the City of Laredo.”

So we’re not only talking about an extramarital affair, but the possibility that Johnson may have received some nice favors in return for her, um, favors. According to reports, Johnson frequently flies to D.C., and often appears at Rove’s side at parties… so it makes you wonder why the “liberal media” has long kept quiet. According to one Texas reporter:

“I’ve heard the stories, but I would never write about Karl and Karen. If you want to keep your job as a reporter in Texas, you make believe you don’t see them together.”

Uh-huh. Gotta love that freedom of the press thing.

But perhaps my favorite part of the story is the official response:

Johnson declined to comment on the story. A White House spokesman told Radar that Rove’s relationship with her was “the business of these two individuals who have personal lives.”

Isn’t that rich? So when it comes to reports of an extramarital affair by a hypocritical, venal rumor-mongerer like Rove, we should respect his privacy. But when the goal is retaliating against a former ambassador, exposing the cover of his CIA-agent wife is fair play. There’s the “ethics of outing” for your, Bush administration style.

Still, as much as I somewhat enjoy this tawdry illustration of “what goes around, comes around”… I just don’t buy the rumor, and thus I’m a little uncomfortable promulgating it. First of all, if he really was having an affair, you’d think Rove would be too smart to allow himself to be publicly seen with his illicit paramour, especially considering the poisonous political and media environment he helped create. And second… I’m pretty damn sure Rove is gay.

On what do I base this stunning accusation? Well, mostly on an acute sense of irony. But if you adopt the same scrupulous adherence to the truth that Rove himself has used to viciously smear countless numbers of political opponents, the pieces of the puzzle start to fit together like Rove’s dick in Gannon/Guckert’s well-lubricated anus. Take for example this excerpt from the New Yorker, in which Rove breathlessly recounts his first meeting with a young George W. Bush:

“It was the day before Thanksgiving, 1973… I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, bluejeans, complete with the

Comments

  1. 1

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It’s to be expected. It’s like two garden slugs falling in love. They have no choice but to like each other, because nobody else likes them.

  2. 2

    Mark spews:

    I don’t get it, Goldy. Are you saying there is something particularly wrong with being gay? I thought the Lefty party line was that being gay was no different than having blue eyes — it shouldn’t mean a damn thing. Why are you so obsessed with using “gay” (or potentially gay) as a slam against people?

  3. 3

    christmasghost spews:

    and now we have the vicious gossip update..oh brother.
    and btw…the phrase is ” all a twitter”…….
    but your mind must have been on something else?

  4. 4

    bill spews:

    I am sorry goldy, but this one is over the top. As an appointed (as opposed to elected) official, rove’s sex life is frankly none of our business unless you can show quid pro quo. I am not actually convinced that the sex life of an elected official is or should be part of public record either for that matter. A good word for a lover is not necessarily quid pro quo.

    Shame on you.

  5. 5

    spews:

    Goldy, you’re missing the real conspiracy theory here. This whole Karl Rove-affair business is meant to soften the blow of the impending release of the still-classified Abu Ghraib photos. The revolting images of torture will pale in comparison to the thought of Karl Rove actually throwing the bone to some broad.

  6. 6

    IDGAF spews:

    How about some REAL NEWS about the failure that is Air America Radio.

    Air America is being investigated in New York for diverting federal/local funds–possibly “hundreds of thousands of dollars”–meant for inner-city kids and senior into the station’s coffers.

    Um, why isn’t the New York Times, which has spilled tons of adulatory ink on the liberal radio network, covering this scandal on its front page?

    Radio blogger Brian Maloney has the lowdown. Read the whole thing. He sniffed out the story when he spotted this tidbit buried in the NY Daily News about Air America being targeted in a NYC Department of Investigation probe of kids’ and seniors’ programs being ripped off in the Bronx:

    A Bronx congressman yesterday praised the smooth takeover of dozens of programs serving thousands of youngsters and seniors across the borough after the city yanked funding from two sponsoring agencies that have come under a cloud.
    The nonprofit Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club and its affiliate Pathways for Youth found their city contracts, running into the millions of dollars, abruptly ended last month by the city Department of Investigation…

    In its initial announcement, the DOI said it was probing allegations that program officials “approved significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various city agencies.”

    According to published reports, the allegations involve Charles Rosen, the founder of Gloria Wise who has stepped down as executive director, investing city contract funds in Air America Radio, the liberal talk radio network.

    Evan Cohen, Air America’s former chairman, had served as Gloria Wise’s director of development.

    A local community paper, The Bronx News, covers the Air America troubles ignored by the national press:

    The Bronx News has learned, through informed sources, that the diversion of hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club in Co-op City to the liberal Air America Radio is at the center of the city’s probe of corruption at the local club.
    The money, which was reportedly paid to Air America as a loan, was supposed to be paid back with interest, two unidentified informed sources told the News. One source added that Air America officials, led by an official of the Gloria Wise Club, agreed to help the local club by publicizing its activities.

    To date, no indictments have been handed down in the New York City Department of Investigation’s ongoing probe of the Gloria Wise Club’s reported transfer of funds to Air America…

    …The city’s DOI is pursuing the probe because the Gloria Wise Club depends heavily on city funding for its operations. These funds are subject to extensive audits, as are funds received through the state and federal governments.
    The Co-op City-based club, which Rosen has built into an empire in the Co-op City community, reportedly has 19 contracts and at least one grant with the city, worth a total of $9.7 million.

    Over the last year, Rep. Joseph Crowley has secured two major federal grants for the Gloria Wise Club, one for a day-care program for Alzheimer’s patients and their caregivers and the other for the community’s NORC program for senior citizens. The grant for the program for Alzheimer’s patients and their caregivers was for $250,000, while the grant for the NORC program was for $99,410.

    In 2003, Crowley secured a $218,500 grant for a mentoring program that the Gloria Wise Club runs.

    Cohen, who is reportedly at the center of the Gloria Wise probe, is a Guam-based investors who was reportedly a key principal in the start-up of Air America…

    Will Air America’s self-proclaimed champions of the poor and downtrodden–Franken? Garafolo? Springer?–touch this story with a ten-foot pole? Will Randi Rhodes trot out her gunshot sound effects to blame the messenger? Or will the gabbers continue maintaining their radio silence?

    Like they say: Stay tuned…

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    No Bill, what’s truly “over the top” is the right wing’s attempt to repeal the 20th century and make workers live in 19th century conditions — low wages, no collective bargaining, no health care or Social Security, and high taxes on wages while the robber barons pay little or nothing. You shamefully act as a mouthpiece for the rich and powerful while Goldy fights the good fight for the little people. Shame on you, not Goldy.

  8. 9

    My 2 cents spews:

    Say it ain’t so, not another Rove topic!

    If by chance you’re running out of topics to tackle, I respectfully submit the following ideas:

    -Sound Transit skipping the most densely populated part of Seattle.

    -Sound Transit coming up short of the airport, again.

    -A new slogan for Sound Transit “Half the track for twice the price, and only a couple years late”

    -King County’s inability to comply with public disclosure laws (Check Sound Policits)

    -The Democratically controlled King County Council beating down Ron Sims “New Election Center”

    -Air America stealing money from inner city youth and seniors. http://radioequalizer.blogspot.....erica.html

    -Our Governor’s compliance with her own campaign promises.

    -What an appropriate level spending increase in State Government might look like.

  9. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 6

    You expect us — a group of liberals — to believe what a right wing blogger says?

    Yeah, right.

    This one belongs in the same dustbin as the Kerry “intern affair” blogs.

    But hey, if you’re in the mood for outrage, why concern yourself over a few hundred thou whilst the Bush administration is literally stealing billions? Where is your outrage over the $540 billion giveaway to drug and insurance companies in the guise of helping senior citizens (who aren’t exactly flocking to Bush’s phony senior prescription cards)? Or the $9 billion of Iraqi funds in U.S. custody that simply disappeared without a trace? Or the hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the super-rich financed by massive deficits that will be borne by the working and middle classes in the form of high interest rates, inflation, and unemployment?

    Come back and talk to us about “corruption” after you get your head screwed on straight about what’s really happening out there, and what right wingers are doing to this country’s salt-of-the-earth citizens.

  10. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 9

    You certainly have a talent for emphasizing the trivial while ignoring the momentous.

  11. 12

    bill spews:

    Roger, none of that has anything at all to do with the sex life of karl rove. Villifying the right wing does not solve any of those problems and you are demonstrating exactly what I was talking about in the ‘Rove and Libby get raises’ thread.

    Instead of this sickening us versus them mentality why don’t we try a bit of lets make us collectively better. The sex lives of public officials are only pertinent if there is quid pro quo, and thats not even suggested here.

    Finally, your ‘act as a mouthpiece for the rich and powerful’ comment shows your complete senile dementia. Why don’t you go back through the archives and find out what my position has been.

  12. 13

    spews:

    Goldy – I thought you were a liberal. Today’s entry makes you sound like a Repuglicans on this one. I think that Rove leaked a CIA agent to the press for political gain is more than enough to show how slimy this White House is. If he is banging some political appointee or is gay, I could care less. That he doesn’t love America and is trying to destroy our intelligence committee gets me fired up.

  13. 14

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Goldy and his HorsesAss: the National Enquire of the blogoshere! Way to go Goldy! “Inquiring minds want to know!”

    Perhaps this will get you that spot on the oh so corrupt Air America that you covet so dearly.

  14. 15

    John spews:

    @ 12

    Goldy’s beat is right-wing hypocrisy, Expat. Look no further than the bible quote on your own blog.

  15. 16

    pbj spews:

    Goldy,

    You contradict yourself. First you say:

    So we’re not only talking about an extramarital affair, but the possibility that Johnson may have received some nice favors in return for her, um, favors.

    Then you state:

    Isn’t that rich? So when it comes to reports of an extramarital affair by a hypocritical, venal rumor-mongerer like Rove, we should respect his privacy.

    You need to call back the DNC and have the propaganda writer fired.

  16. 17

    John spews:

    @ 9

    Maloney? You mean “Brainless Baloney”, the failed winger talk show host who lies about why he was laid off from KIRO710?

    Glad to hear he’s still doing missionary work in a true-blue state by “assuming the position” for whoever he reports to in the winger network.

    Scumbag.

  17. 18

    pbj spews:

    The Bronx News has learned, through informed sources, that the diversion of hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club in Co-op City to the liberal Air America Radio is at the center of the city’s probe of corruption at the local club.

    The money, which was reportedly paid to Air America as a loan, was supposed to be paid back with interest, two unidentified informed sources told the News. One source added that Air America officials, led by an official of the Gloria Wise Club, agreed to help the local club by publicizing its activities.

    To date, no indictments have been handed down in the New York City Department of Investigation’s ongoing probe of the Gloria Wise Club’s reported transfer of funds to Air America…

    …The city’s DOI is pursuing the probe because the Gloria Wise Club depends heavily on city funding for its operations. These funds are subject to extensive audits, as are funds received through the state and federal governments.
    The Co-op City-based club, which Rosen has built into an empire in the Co-op City community, reportedly has 19 contracts and at least one grant with the city, worth a total of $9.7 million.

    Over the last year, Rep. Joseph Crowley has secured two major federal grants for the Gloria Wise Club, one for a day-care program for Alzheimer’s patients and their caregivers and the other for the community’s NORC program for senior citizens. The grant for the program for Alzheimer’s patients and their caregivers was for $250,000, while the grant for the NORC program was for $99,410.

    In 2003, Crowley secured a $218,500 grant for a mentoring program that the Gloria Wise Club runs.

    Cohen, who is reportedly at the center of the Gloria Wise probe, is a Guam-based investors who was reportedly a key principal in the start-up of Air America…

  18. 19

    Donnageddon spews:

    WOW!! The trolls are copy and pasting the same “story” over and over again.

    Is this part of the wingnut talking points today? Tratorgate get to you folks?

    ROVE ROVE LIBBY LIBBY

  19. 20

    fire_one spews:

    Yes Goldy, it would be ironic and even almost comic if it should turn out that Rove is not exactly a model of moral rectitude. That is, it would be comic if what he has done to this country weren’t so tragic. It appears now that we have spent the lives of our young soldiers and our fortunes to set up a very “Iran – like” religious state in the middle east:

    The South Bend Tribune reports: The document (the Iraqi constitution) outlines an explicitly Islamic state with a strong Shiite identity and less progressive laws for women than existed under Saddam Hussein. It also plans to give sweeping powers and potentially considerable oil revenues to newly created federal regions to spend as they see fit. Those provisions, critics say, could deepen the country’s ethnic and sectarian divides.

  20. 22

    rujax206 spews:

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    “The revolution will not be televised”-Gil Scott Heron

  21. 23

    Puddybud spews:

    John: I am so gald you are part of the blame the messenger crowd. You should join don*****don at his house for coffee and crumpets. If it isn’t a lefty then we can’t trust the source. We complain about that all the time. Goldy uses the NY Slimes for his source. Well they be right down the street from where I am right now. I haven’t bought a Slimes this week!!!!!

  22. 24

    rujax206 spews:

    Ooops, my bad on HalDeman.

    I was just so giddy with the vision of “Turd Blossom” getting done unto by others as he has done to them.

    Too bad, asshats, you’re losing losers.

  23. 25

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Goldy likes the unseemly stuff…to a quite uncomfortable level.
    Everyone knows Goldy is gay…he’s just too ashamed to come out of the closet. But it’s obvious.
    While in Montana….CowBOYS walk with their elbows OUT.
    CowGIRLS walk like Goldy…with their elbows IN.
    CowBOY==elbows OUT
    CowGIRL==elbows IN

    If you want to pretend to be a CowBOY Goldy, start walkin’ like one…and talkin’ like one!

  24. 26

    rujax206 spews:

    That’s ALL you’ve got?

    “At the center of the investigation, in addition to Charles Rosen, the charismatic leader of the local club for the last 15 years, is Evan Cohen, who resigned, under fire, as chairman of Air America Radio shortly after its start as an alternative to conservative talk radio.”

    You guys are f’ing morons.

  25. 27

    Charmin (formerly known as dj) spews:

    Goldy,

    I think you are wrong on this one.

    You should have said, “the pieces of the puzzle start to fit together like Gannon/Guckert’s dick in Rove’s well-lubricated anus.”

  26. 29

    rujax206 spews:

    Hey!!!

    Let’s start a pool…which administration official will be the first to take “the Fifth”.

    I say…Ari the Weasel. But there’s Karl the Turd, Dicky the Dick, Scotty LightLoafers, Georgy the Chimp, I dunno…you tell me.

  27. 30

    Goldy spews:

    Cynical @25,

    Man… you seem awfully curious about my sexuality. Why don’t we meet for drinks so you can find out for yourself?

  28. 31

    David T. spews:

    Wow, talk about changing the subject.

    I have always thought Rove was gay. It appears obvious to me that he’s not very virile. Not that there’s anything wrong with being gay, but it shows what hypocrites Republicans can be. Similar to the smear tactics they used against Kerry, who actually was a war hero, while almost all of them were playing hookey. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, unless you are going to keep starting wars and making the lower-classes fight and die for your lies.

    homesteadbook.com

  29. 32

    rocket spews:

    I can’t believe you would call Karl Rove a homo. I’ve seen his picture, and I can tell you, I can spot a homo a mile away, and Karl definately is a man’s man.

    It’s just like you liberal pinko commies to call someone a homo just because he’s kind of big boned and has the kind of eyes that would kind of make you think he might be a homo if he wasn’t so dang manly otherwise.

    Okay. Stand Up Sit Down, support the No New Roads initiative in September!!!

    Rocket

  30. 34

    Karl Rove spews:

    Goldy @ 30

    Man… you seem awfully curious about my sexuality. Why don’t we meet for drinks so you can find out for yourself?

  31. 35

    GBS spews:

    Goldy!!!!

    You left-wing, nut-job!!

    Don’t you know that Presidents have personal lives,too!?!?!?

    What are you implying here? That we have some sort of special prosecutor squander $40 million dollars of taxpayer money and try to impeach Bush because he’s had a supposed affair with Rove. Where’s the blue suit! You don’t have one!

    I swear it’s whack jobs like you that go on smear binges to ruin a good man. Geeezzz, please stop.

    By the way, I have it on good authority that Karen Johnson was really born Keith Johnson and made a successful transgender switch in 1990 with the help of the retired Don of the Bush crime family himself, George HW Bush. Apparently, he sent her to Singapore on a 6 month “business” trip on behalf of the family and that’s where he became a she. Back then W was just a capo in the family business, but Rove and W were really tight. Literally. Rove and W switched being tops and bottoms in their bondage romps with sheep. I saw the pics from a link on SP blog. But, hey, that was then as this is now, so just because Rove is having an affair with a transgender male doesn’t make him gay. Even though they only do it backdoor style.

    Anyways, Goldy, get your facts straight before you start the rumor mill cranking. Thank you very much.

  32. 36

    christmasghost spews:

    bill@12….i couldn’t agree with you more. until the us versus them mentality is shot down.all the politicians that are liars and cheats will get a free pass. kids…it’s just like the shell game at the carnival…look over here…not there.don’t you get it?
    and don/donna……is there ANY word you cannot spell incorrectly?
    it’s not “Tratorgate”….it would be ‘traitorgate’.normally i wouldn’t say anything…but for a guy{?} that likes to shoot his foul mouth off as much as you do, you should probably learn to s-p-e-l-l. people will take you more seriously if you lose the four letter words[that you always spell correctly] and start spelling the big ones right……..just a thought.

  33. 38

    GBS spews:

    XmasGhost @ 36

    My father taught me from an early age that “a closed mouth gathers no foot.” Such is the case of your post at 36. If you CANNOT spell any word INCORRECTLY, then you are always spelling every word correctly. A double negative in a sentence. . . ah hell, you should’ve paid a little more attention in English class instead of daydreaming.

    I’ve just finished reading many of the posts between Dr. E and yourself and this posting of yours is germane to those conversations. You claim that want to have reasoned debate like an “adult” (your wording), but this is how you engage Liberals on a liberal blog, by trying to insult their intelligence over a simple typo. You’ve made plenty, as have I, but to try and knock somebody down over it is counterproductive. Especially, when you use a double negative in a sentence.

    If you want civil discourse, you should try it sometime. People will take you more seriously if you lose the insults and learn to use grammar properly. . . just a thought.

  34. 40

    GBS spews:

    Donnageddon @ 39

    Is that the Japanese pronunciation? (LOL)

    T.N.P. Take No Prisoners! Get after ‘em and stay after ‘em. I like your attitude.

  35. 41

    Janet S spews:

    For a bunch of sensitive, progressive liberals, there sure is a lot of gay-bashing going on here. I fail to see what the big deal is, and why we should care. If you really think that a person’s personal life is private, none of the stuff written here proves it. You are all just having a great salacious time drooling over the possibilities. I guess the excuse will be that you are pointing out hypocrisy. Guess that just proves that you are no better than what you criticize.

    I sense homophobia. (It is quite rampant in men, I have found.)

  36. 42

    GBS spews:

    @ 41

    No Janet it’s not “gay bashing,” it’s “hypocrite bashing.” There’s a major difference and it’s not an excuse; we’re just posing conservatives in front of their own mirror. We do think a person’s personal life is private, even a President’s personal life. Nice use of the word “salacious.” Pick that up from Ken Starr’s report?

    Homophobia is not a man thing as much as it is an ultra-right wing, conservative Christian thing.

  37. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Reply to 12

    “why don’t we try a bit of lets make us collectively better”

    We tried that for 75 years and it worked fine, until the wingers showed up with their “my way or the highway” philosophy. Who are you trying to kid? There’s no negotiating with wingers. They are waging civil war against liberals and economic warfare against the working and middle classes, and we liberals would be fools to underestimate their ruthlessness.

    No, sorry Bill, I won’t be a doormat for the fascist element of American society. They want war, and war is what they’re gonna get.

  38. 46

    christmasghost spews:

    GBS@38….ah….point well taken. i am properly chastised.but as for it being a double negative? no…not really. think about it. how would you have worded it?
    sorry don/donna….my apologies.
    but i must point out that typos are one thing and they happen….however if you are going to be screaming ‘shut the f$&k up’ at everyone constantly, then perhaps you are not going to be getting your actual point across.
    and i would actually like to hear don/donna’s point of view….

  39. 47

    bill spews:

    Roger @44 Oh I see and turn the left wing into a different set of fascist nuts whose only difference is which pigs sit in the farm house playing poker? No thank you.

    Last I checked, right is right and wrong is wrong. If I am going to say that criticizing bill clinton over his sex life is wrong, then so is criticizing karl rove. Just because he is a [insert insult of your choice here] does not make it right.

    You can talk all day if you want about hypocracy, I will agree with you. You can talk about how obvious it is that he outed a CIA agent, I believe he did, and the fact that the CIA closed the front organization she supposedly worked for meant that all the other agents using that company were also outed, most of them undercover. Yeah thats conversation worthy.

    But this is just wrong. “Nyah nyah nyah, I’m better than you.”

    What ever happened to moderation and comprimise? How about honor?

    The only way to fight that ‘war’ you seem to want so badly is with honesty and education. All the lying has to stop.

  40. 48

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Goldy@30–
    You want me to meet you for drinks so you can show me that you are gay?? I told you Goldy…..I believe you are gay. You’ve PROVED it repeatedly over the months. It’s nothing for you to be ashamed of. I have friends & family who are gay. They aren’t ashamed of it like you. In fact, they find gays like you to be the problem!

  41. 49

    JCH spews:

    “At the center of the investigation, in addition to Charles Rosen, the charismatic leader of the local club for the last 15 years, is Evan Cohen, who resigned, under fire, as chairman of Air America Radio shortly after its start as an alternative to conservative talk radio.”……Goldenstein, Rosen, Cohen, Gross, and Goodman……………Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  42. 50

    Donnageddon spews:

    XmasG @ 46 Sorry, pal. But I am not about to take decorum, or debating lessons from you. You come across like a drunken sheep at a Fraternity Party in most of your posts. So take your own advice, shit-fer-brains.

  43. 51

    GBS spews:

    XG @ 46

    Well, there are numerous ways to make your point about someone’s spelling errors. But, that’s not really the point ChristmasGhost.

    The real point is if you’re going come on to a liberal blog to have civil disagreements, then don’t insult people while you’re here. And, if you do choose to insult people, at the very least don’t craft a sentence that is diametrically opposed to your original intent. Also, throw the barb out there with a modicum of decorum, it has a much greater effect

    If you really want to understand Donnageddon’s point of view, or anyone else’s, just ask them. In most cases, not all, you will get an honest, well thought out answer. Be prepared to respond directly to their salient points of view on the topic without trying to reframe the debate or tell us how misinformed us Libs are. Be polite and remember you are one making the choice to converse on a liberal blog. Most of your points of view will not be shared en masse here and that’s just something visitors have to accept — this isn’t like coming to my house as a guest where you’ll be offered food and drink.

    Thanks for taking the time to understand ChristmasGhost. The truth of the matter is that we all agree on one thing. We want what’s best for America: our beloved country. We just have different points of view on how to get there. In the end, most of the policies, Republican or Democrat will get us there. The struggle then becomes which way is the best. But neither will destroy America and neither person holding opposing points of view want that. With that said, I will say that the extreme Christian Right, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh will profess that Liberalism is destroying America. That does not sit well with Democrats. As it would not with you. Having a differing point of view can be resolved. Calling me or Liberals un-American or unpatriotic because we don’t agree with the conservative point of view well, let’s just say it’s not going to fly with me.

    Conservative talk shows have had the bully pulpit from the get-go and they are the ones primarily responsible for the “us vs them” mentality because Rush is the one who spawned the industry as it is today. As a child even Chelsea Clinton was not immune to Rush’s indifferences. Liberals sat on the sidelines for the better part of two decades before they realized this was not a passing fad. The adage holds true that you have to fight fire with fire. Now, I’m not saying you’re spewing vitriolic hate, but I think if you look a certain things objectively, like the economy, you can’t say Bush is a traditional Republican. Nor is he doing an outstanding job with his economic polices. Hands down Democrats win here. History is on our side.

    I could go on ad nauseam, but I digress from my original point. You will only be afforded civil discourse when you give it, you are making the choice to visit a liberal blog so the burden of respect falls upon you first and foremost.

    Have a great evening ChristmasGhost. I have to go for now, but I look forward to discussing politics with you in the future.
    GBS

  44. 52

    christmasghost spews:

    GBS…..you make very good points. however i think you must be talking to the wrong person when you said “Calling me or Liberals un-American or unpatriotic because we don’t agree with the conservative point of view well, let’s just say it’s not going to fly with me.”
    that was actually what don/donna said to me….because i disagreed with her/him. now i realize that this is only one person [we can only hope] i have tried civil discourse to no avail. read her previous post. with some people there is no point.they want a war of words…they are angry and they really don’t have anything to say but nah nah nah. i believe i have always been respectful [ i hope] and will continue to be.
    and don/donna i am truly sorry for the snarky jab at your spelling.
    i look forward to discussing things with you too…without all the barbs. ;)

  45. 53

    Janet S spews:

    Sorry, GBS, but there is way too much fantasizing about Rove’s sexual life, both from Goldy and from this thread. That’s what you (collectively) have accused the right-wingers of with Clinton. Personal life is personal life. I guess you all just don’t respect that.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    41

    Your senses are screwed up, Janet. What you SHOULD be sensing is GOP hypocrisy. If you don’t, you must have dead nerve ganglions.

  47. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    47

    Bill, get real! Clinton is an adulterer, but he didn’t run smear campaigns against his political opponents. As a teenager, Rove cut his baby teeth on politics by stealing an opposition candidate’s stationery and misusing it to embarrass him; ever since then, Rove’s dirty tricks have escalated, and Rove’s practice of politics descended further into the gutter.

    Clinton was a man who, unlike the current occupant of the White House, genuinely cared about whether the ordinary citizens of our country had jobs, education, health care, and the other things we all need. His sexual misconduct didn’t affect me, but Rove’s misconduct in the Plame affair affects my safety and that of every other person in this country. How DARE you equate Clinton with Rove — that won’t wash, pal.

    Clinton created 23 million jobs. He won a war that stopped a genocide without losing a single American life in combat — and was roundly criticized for it by the right wing haters. During Clinton’s administration, we had low interest rates, low inflation, and low gas prices — in short, the best economy of my long lifetime. And you compare him with Rove? You’re full of shit. Rove has brought nothing but hate and divisiveness to our nation’s political discourse. How DARE you.

    You suck, Bill. Get your head out of your ass.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment on 50

    “The truth of the matter is that we all agree on one thing. We want what’s best for America: our beloved country.”

    Sorry, GBS, but I can’t agree with you on this point. Maybe that’s the way it used to be, but it’s certainly not the way things are now. The Far Right doesn’t want what’s best for America, they only want what’s best for themselves, at the expense of others. And there’s nothing they won’t do to get it. We don’t have civil political discourse anymore precisely because civil discourse isn’t possible with these guys. They call us “traitors” and “commies” and “terrorists” and “the enemy.” The only way to deal with people like them is, in Patton’s words, to “grab them by the nose and kick them in the ass!”

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    christmasghost spews:

    roger@54…….coming from you, isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?
    i hate to break this to you…but you and don/donna ARE the far left if one can assume anything from your posts. you are exactly the same as the far right. everytime there is civil discourse you two blow a fuse and start ranting.you both constantly are threatening “war” or violence.
    wow…can’t you see it?

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    chardonnay spews:

    Ya, I wanna know about Bill Clintons divorcee girlfriend. Will this new POA of Bill’s be on the campaign trail in 08? Where’s the outrage? LOL

  51. 59

    Charmin (formerly known as dj) spews:

    Chardonnay @ 56

    “Ya, I wanna know about Bill Clintons divorcee girlfriend.”

    I heard that she is with Karl now. . . but I don’t believe it for one moment. Gannon would not put up with that kind of nonsense.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    55

    I don’t go around saying that conservatives should be put in “concentration camps” or “executed,” but that’s what Coulter says about liberals, and I’m entitled to take her at her word. If she ever shows up on my doorstep and announces that she’s arresting me for being a liberal, it’ll be her last act on this earth.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I also don’t go around worshipping people like Coulter, as some of you righty trolls do. Are you willing to disavow her, to condemn her remarks, Xmas? If not, we have nothing to discuss.

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    headless lucy spews:

    Nobody would ever accuse Clinton of being gay, but with Bush it is easily conceivable. Especially after what his wife said about what he likes to do with horses

  55. 65

    Donnageddon spews:

    “It was the day before Thanksgiving, 1973… I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, bluejeans, complete with the—in Texas you see it a lot—one of the back pockets will have a circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have.”

    Karl is batting for the other team.

    As our good friend PuddyBud would say “Nuff Said!!”

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    Puddybud spews:

    Ghost, don*****don is a man. The rest of the guys who post here are MEN! PacMan cleared that up earlier last month. And don*****don I am your friend. Wow, I am impressed you include me in your circle of “friends”.

    RR: Shall I start posting the Mena, Ark. connection and deaths there. Shall I start posting the Ark. State Police details of them taking WJC to nighttime dalliances with his harem? We all can play that game. Some of us choose not to!!!

    Regarding Ann Coulter, she is our firebrand. She says things to piss off the lefties. It works. I laugh at how the left reacts to her.

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    dr quest spews:

    Do you know how many of Bush’s highschool classmates have died since he graduated? DOZENS!!!! IF you can’t connect the dots, I don’t know what it will take to wake you up!!!!!

    ‘NUFF SAID,

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    ConservativeFirst spews:

    DQ @ 67

    “Do you know how many of Bush’s highschool classmates have died since he graduated? DOZENS!!!! IF you can’t connect the dots, I don’t know what it will take to wake you up!!!!!”

    I really need to know the conspiracy behind this, please elaborate.

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    Puddybud spews:

    I am glad to lend the “Nuff SAID!” ending to the lefties. It’s good to be copied!!!

    NUFF Said! – Pudster

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    Jimmynap spews:

    I saw 69 comments and couldn’t stand the visual any longer.

    Sorry guys. It was just too much.