It’s a mystery

From yesterday’s Danny Westneat column about how opponents of gay civil rights are rather discouraged.

“Voters are immune or desensitized to the word ‘gay marriage’ right now. Besides, they think we hate them,” wrote Josephine Wentzel, a Vancouver-area Christian conservative.

I wonder how anyone ever gets that idea?

Social conservatives should have hope, though, because I am developing a web site and program to cure social conservatism, which is, in the end, a lifestyle choice.

All this progress towards equal rights, and my marriage is STILL NOT THREATENED. Weird, huh? I was pretty scared there for a while that my wife would leave me because gay folks could visit each other in the hospital.

I did give my wife a silver ring, but she prefers diamonds. I’m done listening to these people, they can’t even give decent jewelry advice.


  1. 1


    Speaking of big tents ….

    Actually, it does threaten and dilute traditional marriages. It turns the institution into a big tented freak show, where anyone with a sexual perversions and fetishes will demand to be married using equal rights as their argument.

    So yeah, it will turn marriage into a joke.

  2. 2

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 “Actually, it does threaten and dilute traditional marriages.”

    Bullshit. If your marriage is threatened by what some gay couple does in Maine or San Francisco, you need a new marriage anyway.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 “It turns the institution into a … freak show”

    What do you think the GOP is? That doesn’t stop you from associating with them. So why is it a problem with the institution of marriage, but not with the political party you hang out with?

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 “So yeah, it will turn marriage into a joke.”

    Yeah, well, conservatives have turned politics and public discourse into a joke; so there’s just as strong a rationale for banning conservatives as there is for banning gay marriage. In fact, I’d be willing to support a constitutional amendment that permanently outlaws the Republican Party.*

    * Hey, just kidding! Ann Coulter joke.

  5. 5

    Partered with Child spews:

    #1. Like shows like “The Bachelor” are a shining example of Straight marriage?

  6. 7


    @3 Question. Let’s say you’re the sole valedictorian of your high school. But then the school decides that there should be multiple recipients. That anyone with a grade point over 2.0 should also be given the valedictorian award. Would that dilute what it means to be school valedictorian? Would that cheapen it?

  7. 8

    YLB spews:

    The Mat-Su Barbie implodes:

    Sarah Palin is no longer the most popular politician in Alaska.

    Senator Lisa Murkowski is. She is polling at a combined approval of 76.3%. Lisa Murkowski avoids drama. Alaskans, while not always agreeing with her, agree she is, unlike Sarah Palin, at work.

    In March 2008, Sarah Palin’s combined positives were 85%. Her combined negatives were 12%. In July of 2008, according to the same polls, if you walked into a bar with 100 people, 12 people didn’t approve of the job Sarah Palin was doing. Good luck getting a drink.

    Last September, Sarah went on tour…and stayed on tour-like an old Aqua Net 80’s band that ought to stick to playing local bars and count their iTune downloads. Sarah Palin consistently ignored the needs of Alaskans. As a result of her job abandonment, her approval rating suffered. The new Hayes Research polls show the governor at 54% combined approval and 41.6% combined disapproval. 30% of her former fans now boo her. Love can be fickle.

    Even when she was popular the Mat-Su Barbie was notorious for being missing in action. The mass delusion that gripped the wingnuts over this power-mad, light-weight fraud has finally caught up with them.

    I so love this!!!

  8. 9

    Partered with Child spews:

    #7. Your analogy is broken.
    Let’s see, if marriage is like being a sole valedictorian, only 0.1% of the general population is capable of earning Marriage. There will be a whole lot of straight people kicked off the marriage roles given your criteria. You wanna rethink that?

  9. 11

    Blue John spews:

    I hope the conservatives don’t abandon Sarah Palin. I’d like to see them fail by even more. Maybe she can lose her primary next time around.

  10. 12

    Blue John spews:

    #10. I liked this comment

    There’s nothing Obama could do that wouldn’t earn an attack from Hannity. Hannity would attack Obama if he cured cancer.

  11. 13

    Michael spews:

    No court-marshal for Watada!

    First Lt. Ehren Watada will not face a second court-martial for his decision to refuse deployment to Iraq, after a federal appeals court judge allowed the U.S. Army to drop its appeal in the case Wednesday.

    “We are cautiously optimistic that perhaps we’ve had enough litigation,” said Watada’s attorney, James Lobsenz.

    Watada was court-martialed in 2007 on five criminal counts after his high-profile refusal of deployment. The case ended in a mistrial, when the military judge declared that Watada did not fully understand a stipulation he had signed before the trial.

  12. 14

    DavidD spews:

    The Valedictorian argument is flawed. Straight people don’t have to do anything to get married expect propose and have a wedding.

    A much better analogy would be a country club that didn’t allow non-caucasian/non-christian members but still expected federal and state perks for existing.

  13. 15

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    It’s prophesized that in the end times there will be a total breakdown in traditional values & morals. Seems like there is a lot of that going on….not just the gay issue, not just the abortion as birth control issue…in virtually every area of our lives.

    Perhaps we truly are living in the end times?
    No one knows for sure…but there are a lot of signs.

  14. 17

    mike spews:

    Hate is a lifestyle choice.

    Keep going, Troll and Cynical. You’ve already lost 80% of everyone under the age of 30. Eventually you are sure to help transform the GOP into an exclusive, pure little party that won’t cheapen itself by accepting all those impure, immoral vermin that just want to kill babies, commit sodomy and smoke pot all day long. You truly are doing the Lord’s work.

  15. 18

    Now you see it spews:

    #1 – Wow. That’s just mean and nasty. You are why the Republicans are doomed. Do actually know any gay people or have any gay family or friends? Are they REALLY disgusting assholes out to hurt you?

    I assume you’re not gay, so to you it’s all a theoretical argument…an abstract like why yellow is the GOOD color and Gods like it and green is the devils color and God hates it. It’s cute and fun, but doesn’t matter to you know matter which way it goes. So it’s a cheap and easy thing to bitch about.

    But I know I’m not a bad person. I know I love my partner, his family and I try to make the world a better place.

    If you think I’m disgusting and evil, or Jews, blacks, Irish, gypsies or any other whole entire ‘groups’ that are magically bad, so be it. I can’t convince you the moon isn’t made out of green cheese if you choose to believe that.

  16. 19

    Now you see it spews:

    #15 – ROTFLMAO. Wow.

    You gotta love irony. I LOVE being lectured about ‘morals’ from the folks that gave us the dark ages, the inquisitions, crusades, KKK, and witch trials. See, the irony is that when the KKK is lynching a black guy, they THINK they’re the good guys and the black guy they’re murdering is the bad guy…they really do! See, to the “family values”(tm) oriented klan, the black guy is attacking their good “family values”(tm) so the KKK see’s themselves as the defenders of what is GOOD. Is that NOT irony at it’s highest? They use religion as their magic get out of jail free card, so no matter how evil and horrible their actions are, by DEFINITION they’re the good guys.

    I know the folks attacking families and marriage (the folks against gay marriage) believe they’re right. But I know LOTS of gay people and their families. YES gay people have families. Some have kids (yes I realize Republicans don’t believe adopted children are REALLY family, but I do). Some gay people are loving wonderful people and others are assholes. I’ve found no difference in the percentage between my straight and gay friends.

  17. 20

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    19. Now you see it spews:
    You gotta love irony. I LOVE being lectured about ‘morals’ from the folks that gave us the dark ages, the inquisitions, crusades, KKK

    Which party started the KKK?

  18. 21

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    8. YLB spews:

    I didn’t see any replies from you about the article in the advocate I posted yesterday. Did you happen to see the post and click on the link?
    If not.
    You have opined that obama is anti-gay marriage because he wants to avoid a fight. You insinuated a fight with republicans.
    I believe that it’s more about offending democrat voters. And it appears ex-crackhead marion berry agrees…
    D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8), the only council member to vote against the bill today to legalize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, predicted today there could be a “civil war” in the District if the Council decides to take up a broader gay marriage bill later this year.

    “All hell is going to break lose,” Barry said while speaking to reporters. “We may have a civil war. The black community is just adamant against this.”

    “What you’ve got to understand is 98 percent of my constituents are black and we don’t have but a handful of openly gay residents,” Barry said. “Secondly, at least 70 percent of those who express themselves to me about this are opposed to anything dealing with this issue. The ministers think it is a sin, and I have to be sensitive to that.”

    If it wasn’t for black democrats, gay marriage would have passed in liberal kalifornia.
    And lets not forget on this blog it is a few of the lefties that exhibit gay bigotry.
    Here’s a clue, you goatfucking faggot cunt. Our calling you a faggot cunt is not to belittle gays and women. It is to belittle you, you worthless goatfucking faggot cunt piece of shit.
    05/05/2009 AT 8:46 PM

  19. 22

    uptown spews:

    15 Perhaps we truly are living in the end times?
    No one knows for sure

    I was just talking to God the other day, and he said he was going to be busy on other projects for the next few millenniums. He said we’re on our own for awhile, and to stop bothering him all the time.

    (my use of ‘he’ and “him’ should not be construed as a reflection of gender)

  20. 23

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    More of thoe racist redneck teabagging protests against the obama. Of course the liberal media will downplay this protest with making up funny little gay inuendos.
    D.C. Families Fight for School Choice [Dan Lips]
    This afternoon, more than 1,000 students, parents, and concerned citizens gathered across from city hall to rally in support of the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship program. A number of prominent D.C. leaders spoke, including former mayor Anthony Williams and former councilmember Kevin Chavous. But the most moving speeches were from the parents and students participating in the scholarship program. High-school student Carlos Battle spoke about how he was personally working to redefine the image of the black teen in Washington, D.C. — and how the Opportunity Scholarship program was giving him a chance to fulfill his dream. A father of a scholarship student pointed out the hypocrisy of Congress bailing out failing corporations but taking scholarships away from D.C. students.

    The Obama administration has promised to “fund what works” in education. But so far they have stood by quietly — allowing liberals on Capitol Hill to end the scholarship program. A few weeks ago, after a new report was released showing that D.C. Opportunity Scholarship program was improving students’ reading scores, Secretary Arne Duncan’s Department of Education sent letters to D.C. parents informing them that their children were no longer eligible for scholarships.

    If the purpose is to “fund what works,” why shouldn’t more kids be given the opportunity to participate in a program that has proven to improve the reading achievement of disadvantaged kids? To paraphrase Virginia Walden Ford of D.C. Parents for School Choice at today’s rally, we shouldn’t be satisfied until all families — regardless of background — can choose a quality school for their children.

    Oops, these weren’t racist teabaggers.
    I’m sure these protests will get coverage on olberman and the rest of the liberal media. NOT

  21. 24

    YLB spews:

    You have opined that obama is anti-gay marriage because he wants to avoid a fight. You insinuated a fight with republicans.

    A fight with ignorance co-opted and exploited by Republicans to re-gain power.

    So you think I’d be impressed by a few examples of ignorance by Democrats (in narrow constituencies like one city) when your idiot party the Republicans lives and breathes it?

    Wow I’m so impressed I think I’ll move back to California and register as a Republican!


  22. 25

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Troll, Marvin the Pervert and child rapist CYNCYN are all closeted gays and the REAL reason they fear gay weddings is that they might be too tempted to come out and marry their respective boyfriends.

  23. 26

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    And whoever said let’s hope Palin is the 2012 GOP nominee I am right there with you. I give money to her campaign every month. I want her to win the nomination so I can see what a 30 point Presidential blowout looks like. PRESIDENT OBAMA would beat her like a drum.

  24. 27

    ArtFart spews:

    For an apologist for what passes as “conservatism” in our present time to make statements about anything else being a “freak show” would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

    Let’s talk about how the Nazis thought they were doing noble work dealing with the “Jewish problem”. I just know “Manofthruth” must have a thing or two to say about that. C’mon…let it out, man. We can’t wait for you to express your innermost feelings. The more the majority of sane Americans hear of it, the better.

  25. 28

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    24. YLB spews:
    So you think I’d be impressed by a few examples of ignorance by Democrats (in narrow constituencies like one city) when your idiot party the Republicans lives and breathes it?

    You obviously didn’t read the advocate link. The gay magazine names names and it’s not the extreme fringe of your party.
    Even the left wing huffington post is calling obama out.
    Dan Choi, a West Point graduate and officer in the Army National Guard who is fluent in Arabic and who returned recently from Iraq, received notice today that the military is about to fire him. Why? Because he came out of the closet as a gay man on national television.

    A new study, about to be published by a group of experts in military law, shows that President Obama does, in fact, have stroke-of-the-pen authority to suspend gay discharges. The “don’t ask, don’t tell” law requires the military to fire anyone found to be gay or lesbian. But there is nothing requiring the military to make such a finding. The president can simply order the military to stop investigating service members’ sexuality.

    An executive order would not get rid of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law, but would take the critical step of suspending its implementation, hence rendering it effectively dead. Once people see gays and lesbians serving openly, legally and without problems, it will be much easier to get rid of the law at a later time.
    And this is an interesting fact that the huffington post throws out…

    This misses the point. Obama could sign an executive order today. With roughly three-quarters of the public, including a majority of republicans, in favor of open gay service, a meaningful public backlash is unlikely.

    Let me ask again, who does obama have to fight with over gay marriage.