In anticipation of the VP debate…


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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    In anticipation biden is spending all day working to get ready to debate someone that left wingnuts call stupid.
    Good thing she isn’t smart or he wouldn’t have enough time to prepare.

    Joe Biden and top Obama advisers spent today prepping for this week’s vice presidential debate with Sarah Palin, which campaign members saying will be “challenging” for Biden, a 36-year Senate veteran.

    Aided by Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., who stood in for Palin during practice runs today, Biden spent seven hours on the second floor of the Sheraton Suites hotel in Wilmington before taking a break for dinner at 6:30pm.

    The stress is taking its toll on old man biden. For one thing, he saw some of the wait staff in the hotel and they weren’t the bright & clean type of african americans.
    How rattled was he??

    As he exited the hotel for his dinner break, Biden was asked “Senator, can we get your reaction to the House bill not passing?”

    Biden interrupted the question with a “Hey folks,” to reporters and then said “Oh, things are going well.”

    Biden’s press secretary, David Wade, sent an e-mail minutes later, saying “the senator thought you asked how prep was going” for this week’s debate with Gov. Sarah Palin.

    Wow. Now biden’s staff has to resort to the old excuse of not hearing the question correctly.
    Biden’s not going to get a free pass when he’s on the national stage. The left is hoping that olberman is going to cut in and explain what biden really meant when he screws up.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    It wasn’t long ago that biden was the joke of the democrat party. As far as Jonathan Chait is concerned.

    Biden looks as if he’s the product of a laboratory experiment designed to create the world’s worst presidential candidate.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    Palin has had four media interview (three in one month!) since her nomination. In the meantime, Biden has been doing almost an interview a day.

    The first one was on Good Morning America, she flubbed the “Bush Doctrine” question.

    The second was with Hannity, who’s job was to give her a chance to “do-over” the questions she flubbed in the first interview. Just to make sure things went well, it was done in soft-focus lighting, like the kind used in Penthouse magazine.

    The third was with Katie Couric, and Palin is widely believed to haven’t done well there, spouting memorized talking points instead of directly addressing the question. At some points it appeared she didn’t understand the question.

    The fourth was with Katie Couric again, but this time John McCain came with her to repair the damage. Another mulligan, if you will. But this time Katie asked McCain if Palin hadn’t made a mistake in insisting that U.S. forces would hit Al Quida forces within Pakistan. After all, Obama had previously said he would go into Pakistan to get Al Quida leadership if the opportunity presented itself, but McCain had just lectured Obama on how it was unwise to discuss such possibilities openly, and it showed how inexperienced he was in handling foreign affairs. But McCain refused to directly answer the question, dismissing it as “gotcha” journalism, and Palin was left to echo that the question was shouted by someone from across the room and she didn’t have time to think about an appropriate answer.

    In summary: two interviews, and two “do-overs”, to correct mistakes made in the first interview.

    So I have to wonder: is she really that much in need of intensive handling by McCain, or are they just setting us up with diminished expectations? Are they placing the bar so low (on the floor), that she can’t help but get over it? After all, all she has to do now is get through the debate without committing a Ford-type gaffe, and the headlines will read about her “doing better than expected”.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    But hey, Marvin, if you want to go ahead and diminish expectations regarding Biden, please feel free to go ahead. I would consider it intellectually dishonest to try to brand Biden, a long-term veteran of the Senate as a poor debater, but since intellectual honesty doesn’t seem to trouble you, please feel free to go right ahead and do so.

    As it is, Biden’s biggest problem is trying not to look to patronizing or impatient as the moderator tries to explain the questions to Palin.

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    Steve spews:

    It’ll be on AC360 tonight that Palin hasn’t even visited the island from where the distant Russian island can be seen. In other words, Palin has flat out lied about her foreign policy experience.

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    YellowPup spews:

    @6: LOL. The illegal immigration of Russian caribou and moose from Siberia (not to mention cross-border incursions by Putin’s floating head) is a serious issue!

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    reformed republican spews:

    McCain’s worst problem may not be melanoma. the serial lying is either a deep psychological disorder or dementia.
    Check out this video where McCain says that the banking crisis should not be partisan and now is not the time for partisan politics – and then he blames Obama for the bill failing.

    Can he contradict himself anymore and any faster? Is he not aware that video can catch him lying? Is he even aware of his lying or is it so ingrained that he doesn’t even notice what a pathetic fool he is?


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    reformed republican spews:

    @3: the worst gaffe with Katie Copuric was not even aired – after mentioning roe v Wade, Couric asked what other supreme court cases Palin felt strongly about – did she know any other cases? She could not come up with another Supreme Court case and there was just awkward silence. Maybe Palin is not aware that as president she would actually appoint supreme court justices.

    She is really scary becasue she is not even aware of how much she does not know (the unknown unknowns to quote another republican who thought he knew more than he did).

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    Ekim spews:

    Maybe Biden should let Palin talk as much as possible during the debate.

    McCain Camp insiders say Palin “clueless”

    Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as “disastrous.” One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, “What are we going to do?” The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    5. Steve spews:
    This guy wanted to pay $20 to blow a cop.
    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c om/news_politics/2007/11/bob-a llen-convi.html

    Almost 2 years old and you just keep posting it over and over and over and over again.
    Why does the sex lives of other men consume so much of your waking and sleeping hours?
    Why not just be honest with yourself.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    I keep forgetting that with absentee voting and mail-in ballots, the election has already begun in some areas.

    Source: Voting for president begins in pivotal Ohio

    In Ohio, which is probably THE battleground state of this election, absentee voting began today. Apparantly in Ohio you can actually go to the polls and vote early as an absentee ballot, rather than just mail the ballot in.

    Of course, this is John McCain’s nightmare: voting taking place the Monday morning after the DJIA drops 777 points the previous Friday.

    Republican lawyers were seen taking pictures of license plates of voters at precincts which tend to vote Democratic. I’m not sure what legitimate use that information would have, since there’s no requirement that you arrive at a polling station in your own car. But it certainly might provide an intimidation factor, especially if Republicans try to bring charges against Democratic voters for “voter fraud”. No matter how frivolous such charges would be, they would be expensive and inconvenient for the average voter to defend against, and the very existence of the charges might have a chilling affect on other voters.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    This sounds like something steve could really get into, except the drawing is of a woman.

    There’s been no shortage of takeoffs on Sarah Palin lately, from television skits to action figures, but Bruce Elliott has gone one step further than most. He’s taken off her clothes.

    Elliott, whose wife, Tobin Mitchen, owns the Old Town Ale House on Chicago’s North Side, painted a nude portrait of the Republican vice presidential nominee and hung it above the bar, where it’s now a prime attraction among his display of more than 200 celebrity portraits and other racy art.

    His daughter, who looks a little like Palin and does a great impression of her, served as model for the governor’s body.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    12. rhp6033 spews:
    Of course, this is John McCain’s nightmare:

    …democrats voting numerous times under numerous times.
    That’s the nightmare.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    Marvin @ 15: “…democrats voting numerous times under numerous times.”

    That doesn’t even make sense. I’ll give you a mulligan (or should I now call it a “Palin”) and give you a do-over. Did you just mis-speak?

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    Steve spews:

    @11 “Why does the sex lives of other men consume so much of your waking and sleeping hours?”

    Why? Well, when Republicans do weird things like fuck goats or offer to blow an undercover black cop, I like to bring it to your attention. When I do, you and Puddy post the stupidest comments imaginable. Your post above is added proof that it works every time. It’s like you and goats, you just can’t help yourself.

    How’s that treatment going? Any chance you and Puddy could get a group rate?

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    Steve spews:

    @14 Let’s me guess, you’ve been Googling “Palin nude” of late?

    Try Googling “republican pedophile”. You’ll get 358,000 hits. You guys have a very real problem. Now, I understand that the first step towards recovery would be to admit the problem exists. Sadly, I don’t think you’re ever going to take that first step.

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    rhp6033 spews:

    Looks Like USA Today/Gallup Poll has said Bush’s approval ratings have slid to 27%. Only Truman and Nixon have held lower ratings in modern history.

    And actuaries have said that there is a one-in-four chance that McCain wouldn’t survive a second term in office. His chances of having a serious illness are much worse than that.

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    Steve spews:

    @19 If McCain manages to pull off a win he’d soon realize that the Dobsonian Dominionists would be soon praying like hell for lightning to strike him upon completing the oath of office so that Palin could assume the presidency.

    He can find comfort in that their prayers for it to rain on Obama’s acceptance speech fell on deaf ears. Why does God hate Republicans?

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    ArtFart spews:

    I guess this is kinda-sorta on topic…

    There’s a domain registration for “” that points to John McCain’s Web site.

    There’s also one for “” that take you to the site for the Obama campaign.

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    Steve spews:

    @19 His disapproval is at 70%. This must suck for our trolls.

    Republicans don’t hate America. They just hate 70% of it.

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    reformed republican spews:

    The latest on Palin and troopergate: more lying, more corruption and testimony under oath about illegal interference. Looks like troopergate will show that Palin is corrupt and negate any of the “so-called” reform message:

    An Alaska woman who owns a company that processes workers’ compensation claims in the state has told an independent investigator that she was urged by the office of Gov. Sarah Palin to deny a benefits claim for Palin’s ex brother-in-law, a state trooper who was involved in an ugly divorce and child custody dispute with Palin’s sister, despite evidence that the claim appeared to be legitimate, according to state officials who were briefed about the conversation.

    Murlene Wilkes, the proprietor of Harbor Adjusting Services in Anchorage, had originally denied that she was pressured by Gov. Palin’s office to deny state trooper Mike Wooten’s claim for workers compensation benefits.

    But Wilkes changed her story two weeks ago when she was subpoenaed by Steven Branchflower, the former federal prosecutor who was appointed in July to probe allegations Gov. Palin, Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s running mate, abused her office by abruptly ousting Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, state officials knowledgeable about her conversation with Branchflower said.

    Monegan has said he felt pressured by Gov. Palin, her husband, Todd, and several of her aides to fire Wooten. Branchflower’s investigation centers on whether Palin fired Monegan because he refused to fire Wooten.

    Palin initially welcomed the investigation, which was approved unanimously in July by the state’s Legislative Council, which has a Republican majority. However, after McCain picked Palin in late August to be his vice presidential running mate, national and state Republicans began suggesting that the investigation was a partisan witch-hunt against Palin.

    Despite pressure from the McCain-Palin campaign – and the refusal of Todd Palin and some Palin aides to honor subpoenas seeking their depositions – senior Alaskan legislators said Branchflower still intended to finish his report on the controversy by Oct. 10.

    The workers’ compensation issue is likely to be a major focus of Branchflower’s report, according to state officials knowledgeable about the course of the investigation.

    Wilkes has a $1.2 million contract with the state to handle workers compensation claims. Her contract with the state was up but her firm was recently given a new contract despite the fact that there were others who provided the state with a lower bid than Wilkes’s firm. One of the other applicants who submitted a lower bid has appealed the decision.

    Wilkes told Branchflower she believed it was impressed upon her from Palin’s office that she would lose the contract if she did not deny the claim, state officials knowledgeable about her testimony said.

    Although Wooten did receive worker’s compensation benefits for about three months, his claim was suddenly denied and he was forced to hire a lawyer and appeal the issue, which dragged on for more than six months. It’s unknown if Wilkes played any role in denying Wooten worker’s compensation benefits.

    According to John Cyr, the executive director of the Public Safety Employees Association, the union that represents Wooten and other state troopers, Wooten was approved for workers compensation benefits in January 2007. He filed for benefits due to a back injury he suffered when he pulled a dead body from a wrecked automobile and slipped on icy pavement.

    The same month Wooten started receiving workers compensation benefits, Todd Palin began following Wooten around “snapping pictures of him,” Cyr said.

    “Frank Bailey was getting people to say that [Wooten] was lying on his worker’s comp form,” Cyr said. “The governor’s family was following Mike around everywhere. They forwarded that information to the worker’s comp division.”

    Cyr said Wooten had been received his benefits checks totaling $11,000 without any problems until “somewhere between the end of March and the first of April.”

    “Out of nowhere [Wooten’s] workers comp claim was contravened, which basically means he got a letter saying he wasn’t entitled to benefits anymore,” Cyr said in an interview. Documents show that a state lawyer intervened in the case. Wooten “hired an attorney and filed a counterclaim against the state. Eventually, in November 2007 there was a settlement. Part of that settlement included an operation on [Wooten’s] back in California. This was a serious injury and he was flat broke and had to file for bankruptcy because his claims were denied. There was absolutely a personal vendetta against this trooper by the governor and the governor’s staff.”

    However, according to documents in Wooten’s case, the trooper had a preexisting condition that resulted in his disability claims being denied.

    But Branchflower has obtained evidence that extends beyond Wilkes’s statements that shows the denial of Wooten’s benefits was due to Palin’s office involvement in the case, according to the officials knowledgeable about this aspect of the probe.

    Branchflower has apparently zeroed in on a routing slip dated Aug. 21—about a month after the ethics probe into Palin was launched—from the Alaska Department of Labor and Workforce Development shows Wooten’s workers comp file was pulled and sent to the attention of Mike Monagle, a state manager with the workers’ compensation division.

    “Wooten, as requested,” the routing slip says, which was made out to the attention of “Mike Monagle.”

    “A request came in to return all of Wooten’s [worker’s comp] files to Juneau [the state capital],” according to a note and routing slip faxed to Cyr from the worker’s compensation division. “The person who asked to route the files was told the files were being copied for the governor.”

    It’s unclear why Palin’s office requested Wooten’s workers compensation files or how it factors into Branchflower’s investigation.

    Branchflower confronted Wilkes with evidence—including statements made to Branchflower by one of Wilkes’s former co-workers—that showed her previous statements were contradicted and that Palin’s office did try to intervene and contacted her to ensure Wooten did not receive benefits for a back injury he said he received while on the job.

    Wilkes told Branchlower that she received phone calls and personal visits from Palin officials, including Palin’s husband, Todd Palin, and was told to deny Wooten’s application for worker’s compensation claims because he lied about his physical condition, these people said.

    Wilkes said Todd Palin had shown her photographs of Wooten on a snowmobile during the time he was allegedly unable to work as evidence that he was not entitled to benefits, these people said. It is unknown whether Branchflower has determined that any laws were broken as a result of Palin’s office alleged interference in her ex brother-in-law’s workers compensation case.

    Immediately after being sworn in as Governor of Alaska, Palin and her husband and several senior aides conducted what amounted to a rogue investigation into suspicions that Wooten was faking a job-related injury as a state trooper, according to state documents, law enforcement officials and former aides to Palin.

    The investigation was conducted using the resources of Gov. Palin’s office and had the goal of destroying Mike Wooten’s career with the Alaska state troopers, the documents and the interviews reveal.

    A little-noticed passage in a transcript of a conversation between Frank Bailey, Palin’s director of boards and commissions, and Alaska State Trooper Lt. Rodney Dial shows that Palin’s office had developed information against Wooten that was turned over to the state’s worker’s compensation board, purportedly to prove that Wooten was not too sick or injured to work.

    In the Feb. 28, 2008, conversation with Dial, Bailey disclosed that Gov. Palin and her husband had uncovered information about the trooper that was not publicly available and had collected statements about Wooten going “snowmachining” when he was out on workers comp for a back injury.

    “The situation where [Wooten] declared workers comp, but then was caught on an eight-mile snowmachining [sic] trip days — days after, you know, that — that started coming up there,” Bailey said. “So we collected statements that we forwarded on to worker’s comp.”

    In January 2007, the same month Wooten began collecting workers comp benefits and less than 30 days into Palin’s term as governor, Todd Palin invited new public safety commissioner Monegan to the governor’s office, where Todd Palin urged Monegan to reopen the Wooten case. After checking on it, Monegan said he informed Todd Palin that he couldn’t do anything because the case was closed.

    In an interview with the Washington Post, Monegan said that a few days later, the governor also called him about the Wooten matter and he gave her the same answer. Monegan said Gov. Palin brought the issue up again in a February 2007 meeting at the state capitol, prompting a warning that she should back off.


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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    16. rhp6033 spews:
    Marvin @ 15: “…democrats voting numerous times under numerous times.”

    That doesn’t even make sense. I’ll give you a mulligan (or should I now call it a “Palin”) and give you a do-over. Did you just mis-speak?

    numerous times under numerous names.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    19. rhp6033 spews:
    And actuaries have said that there is a one-in-four chance that McCain wouldn’t survive a second term in office. His chances of having a serious illness are much worse than that.

    So these actuaries are already thinking about mcsames 2nd term.
    Go figure.
    These actuaries are smart people.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    19. rhp6033 spews:
    Looks Like USA Today/Gallup Poll has said Bush’s approval ratings have slid to 27%

    Still above the democrat controlled congress.
    bush is a lame duck president at this point.
    Well, the democrat controlled congress is also a lame duck.

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    mark spews:

    I’m still waiting for John Kerry to release his medical records and collect the million dollar prize proving the Swift Boat Veterans
    lied about him. Were waiting….what a loser.

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    reformed republican spews:

    Actually when asked about generic democrats or republicans for congress – democrats lead 40 some to thirty some – by close to 15 points. Guess you lose again.

    Obstructionist republicans mess up the total congress approval ratings. but when a single president is evaluated for approval – Bush is down there with Hoover – and rightly so. the American people know a loser when they see one – even if Marvin still supports bus.

    Thanks also for validating the key troll concept:
    But the democrats…..followed by a lie or exageration of the truth.

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    reformed republican spews:

    Stil waiting for the evidence that Palin was against the bridge to nowhere…..guess we will wait forever, cause it is not there and she was for it.

    Haven’t seen Palin give her one speech lately, I kind of miss the serial lies.

    Looks like we may get a vote on the bailout now that John “Statesman” McCain isn’t screwing it up. I love how he took credit for the vote before it didn’t pass. That’s leadership – being out front of failure. Maybe after he loses the election he can go look for the WMDs he promised were there.

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    Steve spews:

    @27 “lame”

    Sadly, Marvin’s mind is gone. Too much goatfucking, no doubt.

    Take that as a lesson, Pudz.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    31. reformed republican spews:
    Stil waiting for the evidence that Palin was against the bridge to nowhere…..guess we will wait forever, cause it is not there and she was for it.

    Good point.
    Since we all know that both obama and biden voted for the bridge to nowhere it’s only fair how palin thought.
    We all agree that thinking is more important than casting an actual vote for the bridge.
    Now I see why obama loves those “present” votes so much, they don’t expose his bad judgement.