HA Bible Study

John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Discuss.

Comments

  1. 2

    Bluecollar Libertarian spews:

    Marshmallows and hot dogs are also burned when we cast them into the fire.

  2. 4

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    If a man abide not in me

    By this, do you suppose Jesus meant:

    i) If you do not follow my greatest commandment and LOVE…

    or

    ii) If you do not follow the instructions of my intercessors on earth (priests, ministers, preachers, traveling tent show charlatans like Billy Graham, political manipulators like Doug Coe, AND their associated hierarchical paternalistic self-serving organizations ranging from the Roman Catholic Church to the Saddleback Church to The Family…

  3. 5

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered

    By this, do you suppose Jesus meant:

    i) (without love and the bonds it establishes) a human will suffer emotional and spiritual deprivation and harm, will lack the insight and generosity to treat all humans, however different or frightening, as you would treat me…

    or

    ii) (without approval from the correct one of my deeply flawed “representatives” on earth) a human will be hounded from their community, denied participation in community decision making, relegated to second-class status, their children will be taunted, their homes will be vandalized, the places where they gather to honor me will be burned or never built at all, and all the faults of the community will be brought down upon their heads.

  4. 6

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    By this, do you suppose Jesus meant:

    i) (if you do not LOVE, and you allow your soul to wither with fear and malice and greed and delusional ideas of self congratulation derived from too much Ayn Rand), then you are as worthless and lost to your brothers and sisters as so much wet kindling, not even good for starting a fire.

    ii) (if you pick the wrong church, or fail to defer to power and authority brandishing my name on its sleeve, or do not cry out loudly enough for the ‘sinners’ to be punished, or the women subjugated, or the poorer people exploited) you will be rounded up and shot or burned or hung, all the while my true servants will be shouting “Praise the Lord” or “Hallelujah” as they divide your possessions.

  5. 7

    spews:

    There is a literal interpretation her too,

    If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a and is a withered branch; and men (but not women) gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    John, after all, was a disciple of Jesus. One of 12 men, following another man. Those who fear gays might note that nowhere does Jesus deny he is gay, yet as an orthodox Jew Jesus never marries. Jesus too, never condemns people for being gay, even though the practice was wide spread and open in the greco-roman world.

    Read these tales knowing that I am that I am.

    I am that I am.

  6. 8

    Steve spews:

    From Sharon Angel’s (heh- former) pastor,

    “The Christian community–all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults. Well, there must be a reason. I mean, here a member of a cult is one of the most powerful people in the United States. Doesn’t that alarm you? And his allegiance is to Salt Lake City.

    You know, there’s some weirdness with that, but nobody questions it, nobody asks one question to Harry Reid and says, ‘Tell us about your faith. What does a Mormon believe?’ Ask him about the holy garments that he wears that protect him from evil. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about getting his body parts anointed by oil. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about when he goes to the temple and he gets baptized for dead people. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about the hit squad of the Mormon church and why they need people to kill Mormons that go against them.”

    Good luck with the teabaggers, Mitt.

    Does Puddy really think that his SDA cult will fare any better with these haters? Being black and a cultist, you’re next, Puddy.

  7. 10

    Steve spews:

    @9 “SDA?”

    Seventh Day Adventists, founded by the American false prophet, Ellen White, she of the failed 19th century prophesies of doom. For Puddy and the SDA, the papacy is the seven-headed sea-beast, America the lamb, the Pope is the antiChrist, and America’s doom is heralded by the enactment state Blue Laws.

  8. 12

    Zotz sez: Puddybud is just another word for arschloch. spews:

    @10, 11: Most of the religious craziness in America is derived from apocalyptic cults from the early 1800s. Google “Second Great Awakening” for an enlightening journey into the American apocalyptic mind.

    Here’s a start:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S....._Awakening

    Lots of places to click from there.

  9. 13

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Wow Steve Stupid Solution has the real facts so perverted and wrong it’ll take three hundred blog entries to clear up the mess. But why even try anymore? Puddy placed Mrs Whites own words on this blog a few weeks ago and Stupid Solution Steve’s mind has been so impacted with his continual fact-less constipations, even Pepto-Bismol won’t help.

    Butt back to the verse. Puddy remembers what God told Abraham over His need to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Next Jesus tells the disciples he is the vine and we all are the branches. Looks like many Moonbat!s will be the result of pruning and being thrown into the fire.

    Read Revelation! The cleansing fire is coming HA Moonbats!

  10. 14

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @13
    Excellent, Pud!

    The cleansing fire is coming HA Moonbats!

    Looks like many Moonbat!s will be the result of pruning and being thrown into the fire.

    You make my case for me. Here we have a CRAZY religionist claiming exclusive closeness to god and his revelations, telling us all that disagree with him that we’re headed for “pruning” and immolation.

    Sounds a great deal like a “Final Solution”, apologies to Godwin.

  11. 15

    Unkl Witz spews:

    Given the great deal of both time and distance from Jesus’ actual existence that John was written, it’s hard to take any of his quotes too seriously. However this may be one of the few quotes put into his mouth that would be consistent with the teachings of the apocalyptic Jew that he was.

    Obviously, the writer of John, who is by no means anyone who ever actually knew Jesus in person, is responding to the many doctrinal disputes that are arising between those followers who now see the church as a means of social control here on earth in the second century. And he is doing so with the well established line of attempted to clarify exactly what Jesus said, and what he meant when he said it.

    John presents a much more ephemeral Jesus, who transcends his Judaism to the point of saying he existed as part of the Godhead from the beginning of time. Jesus existence on earth is now a “way” for mortal humans to reconnect with the Godhead and become immortal. In short, it is a short step from John to the Gnostic tradition.

  12. 16

    spews:

    Somewhere in there is supposed to be Jesus’ message of brotherly love and compassion.

    That part always gets left out when the Gospels are read. We can understand why though. When you’re trying to control the masses, dictate human behavior and establish dogma; the whole ‘Love thy Neighbor’ thing becomes rather inconvenient.

    Best to gloss over it and get right to the ‘since you’re going to burn in Hell anyway, I can kill you’ part.

  13. 17

    Steve spews:

    @11 “what an especially wacky flavor of lunacy!”

    Confirmed by our resident SDA cultist’s whack-rant lunacy @13. I mean, really, does anybody have any idea at all WTF Puddy is talking about?

  14. 18

    Steve spews:

    There’s gotta be a Bible verse in there somewhere that addresses Puddy’s failure to take his meds.

  15. 19

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Man you Moonbat!s have a strange view of Jesus.

  16. 20

    uptown spews:

    @16 – yep.

    Wasn’t the Bible put together by a committee, at a time most did folks could not read? It was a tool for the church elite to help keep their flocks under control. Otherwise you would all sorts of crazies trying their own brand of religion…sort of like we have now.

  17. 21

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @19

    By “strange view of Jesus” do you mean that one could interpret his teachings as admonitions to love?
    Is it that hard to understand?

    I really don’t think he meant that everyone not embracing the precise correct dogma was going to burn in everlasting pain and torment.

  18. 22

    Steve spews:

    “Man you Moonbat!s have a strange view of Jesus.”

    Keep in mind that this is coming from a cultist who discards Jesus and his teachings of brotherly love and who instead cherry-picks the Bible for verses that he can use to justify his hatred of all things good and decent.

  19. 23

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @20
    Well, I think that is a central problem.

    One can take the message (this one, or ‘revealed’ texts as a whole) as one of love and inclusion and community, or you can interpret it as anointing an authority that wields power and exploits, just like any other secular system of control.

  20. 24

    Steve spews:

    “burn in everlasting pain and torment”

    Actually, Puddy’s cult doesn’t believe in that. We don’t get to spend eternity partying in hell. Rather, our souls will be destroyed.

    Right, Puddy?

  21. 25

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @24
    You mean like snuffed out entirely? *POOF* your ‘soul’ is obliterated, while the ‘souls’ of the chosen people party like it’s 1999 in heaven?

    Hell, Outer Darkness, soul obliteration – remarkable how many twisted ways of defining ‘other’ the religionists have, and of eliminating them as well.

    You’re not like me? To hell you go!

  22. 26

    spews:

    @19 Puddy

    “strange views of Jesus”

    What makes these views strange? Is there something in the written word you can cite?

    Or, can you tell us all (please)of some events amongst the early Christians that support your view of Jesus?

    Looking at this as a non Christian, what I see objectively is a movement that promoted hatred .. not only for unbelievers but for its own schismatics. Which of these schisms do you think was the real root planted by Jesus? The Gnostics, the Aryans, ???

    The Buddha, on the other hand, taught about suffering. In the 2500 years since his death, I know of no Buddhist who has fought a war to prove that his ideas about Buddha were right.

    Seems like the bald evidence would make you want to follow the Buddha!

  23. 27

    spews:

    @15 LOS “the religionists”

    How Chrstian of You!

    This obsession with the after life is anything BUT universal even amongst the most devout religionists.

    Judaism has no credo of heaven or hell. Buddhism says the issue is irrelevant.

  24. 28

    rob spews:

    Puddles is back with his twisted fire fantasies again, I see. How sad to be locked up in such a demented mind.

  25. 30

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    @27

    How Chrstian (sic) of You!

    I’m not sure the topic being discussed is so much obsession with the afterlife, but rather using the afterlife as a cudgel to punish behavior on this plane of existence.
    One of those proscribed activities, of course, is not belonging to the right (read dominant) group.

    You extol Judaism for its lack of heaven/hell dogma, which might indeed be a fine virtue. However, I would ask the non-Jews living in Palestine how it’s working out for them not being in the dominant local religious club.

  26. 32

    spews:

    @30 LS

    You show great ignorance of both Judaism and Israel.

    “I would ask the non-Jews living in Palestine how it’s working out for them not being in the dominant local religious club.”

    1. “Palestine” Do you know what that word means? “Palestine” is English for Phillistia. It is the name given by the Romans, after there effort to make Israel free of Jews. The Romans wanted to erase our memory f a home land by referring to a long gone people, the Philistines who, for waht ti si worth, never did rule over much of what is now called “Palestine.”

    Later the term was used by the bloodiest of the conquerors .. the Franks, the Crusaders .. for THEIR country ..Palestine.

    In near modern time the term was used BY JEWS because (for obvious reasons) the Arabs of the area hardly wanted to equate themselves with the crusaders. Under Turkish rule, the area we now call “Palestine” was part of Syria and included “Jordan.” Prior to 1948, the word “Palestinian” meant Jew from “Palestine”.

    Yasser Arafat and Nasser created the modern concept of Palestine to undermine the legitimacy of Israel.

  27. 33

    spews:

    ctd …

    So when LS uses the word, what area does he mean? Israel? Israel, Gaza, West Bank?, Israel, Gaza, West bank, and Jordan 9all of whom share the same ethnic group amongst their Arab people?

  28. 34

    spews:

    ctd. Or does LS refer to Israel itself?

    My guess he is referring to Israel itself.

    The loyalty oath is a current debate there and refers only to non Jews who wish yo become citizens. It simply asks them to recognize that Israel is the homeland for the Jews. Is that so strange? Would you feel better if Israel demanded that ONLY those willing to become Jews can be citizens?

  29. 35

    spews:

    ctd .. OK, what is a Jew??

    “we” are certainly NOT a religion, though we do have a religion. We area people. Anyone can become a member of the Jewish people .. just like anyone can become a Lummi, Kwak Kwak Kwa, or French.

    Do you have some objection to the Kwak Kwak Kwa people determining how others can become part of their people?

    OTOH, did you know that Hindus claim anyone not born a Hindu can NOT become one? Sonya Gandhi, for example, is widely respected in India buy devout Hindus insist she can never be a Hindu.

  30. 36

    spews:

    ctd diatribe vs LS

    So lets get back to the oath ..

    Like most Jews I oppose the oath, we are after all a liberal people and one principle of Zionism is that ALL people are welcome to live amongst us.

    Non Jews in Israel have full legal rights. This includes membership in the Knesset. Christian and Muslim Israelis also enjoy a level of freedom of religion that goes further than we have in the US since Israel doe snot permit proselytization by the majority and respects those rights of minorities that regulate the way communities of minorities live together.

    The extreme version of the oath was proposed by Avigdor Lieberman, the current Minister of Foreign Affairs. He is ab outspoken bigot and wants to offer all Israel Arabs a choice .. swear loyalty to Israel as Jewish state or become part of the soon to be Palestine. His idea has been rejected even by Netanyahu. Yet, ideas as radical as his are accepted in many countries .. including most Arab countries as well as now being discussed openly by Holland and even Sweden!

  31. 37

    spews:

    the oath ctd …

    The Oath proposed by Netanyahu only applies t new citizens of Israel and only requires that they state an acceptance of Israel as a state, a homeland for the Jews.

    Is this such a horrible idea? Would you cavil as similar oath if you needed to swear fealty to the King of Sweden or willingness to support French culture?

  32. 38

    spews:

    Finally, LS

    No, I do not “extol Judaism for its lack of heaven/hell dogma”

    I am simply trying to get you to understand that many liberals who castigate religions make the foul mistake of tarring all religions with the kinds of beliefs Christians have.
    ..

    I think what is wrong with Christianity is NOT its Credo but its insistence on evangelism.

    Let me use Puddy as a good example. I know him outside HA and can tell you that he is a very good human being who does a lot to help others. He and I disagree , but from all that I see Puddy’s religion is a personal one. Whit should I disrespect him as long as whatever he believes leads him t do good things?

  33. 39

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    When fire falls from Heaven what will you say then rob and the Moonbat!s? Puddy was right! You see rob, AKA as the HA moron, if Puddy is wrong so be it. If Puddy is right you are a POST TOASTIE!

  34. 40

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Thanks SJ. We disagree on many things, but conservatives are well known for opening their wallets!

    Your side talks a great game yet there is no compassion, no feeling for others SJ.

  35. 41

    spews:

    @40 Puddy

    Liberals do not give $$

    Show me some evidence for that canard!

    As for compassion … are you REALLY so blind as to think Glenn Beck or O’Reilly is more compassionate than Oprah or Maddow?

    Who are the greatest compassionate people you can cite on the right? I find t hard to see any ..

    GWS Bush
    the Kock brothers?
    John Paul II
    Ratzinger?

    Seems like the all time compassionates have been progressives …

    Chavez, Jesus, Douglas, Jefferson, the Dali Lama,

    You want conservatives … look at China’s state capitalists and their reaction to Liu.

  36. 43

    Liberal Scientist spews:

    SJ @ 32, 33, 34

    One can practically see the spittle flecking the computer monitor.

    My guess he is referring to Israel itself.

    What do you mean by that? 1948 borders? 1967 borders? The area behind the walls? Do you include the illegal settlements? Do you include Gaza? – because it’s certainly not free and sovereign.

    You can parse my use of the term “Palestine” all you like, but that will not obliterate the fact that a very downtrodden people are kept quite poor and powerless and gratuitously humiliated by a far stronger power, and a large part of what distinguishes these two peoples are tribal and religious divisions.

    You like to toss out the term “Christian” as an epithet (not something I necessarily disagree with), while self-contentedly assuring us how Jews have never proselytized or fought wars of conquest. I just point out the manifest hypocrisy in this, as the self-described “Jewish democracy” treats the non-Jews in its midst.

    It is exactly the problem with majority oppression of a religious/ethnic minority – distinctions based on perceived relationships with “God” and whose is superior.

  37. 44

    rob spews:

    puddles,

    your sick fantasies are of no concern to me, except insofar as they reveal your personality. I obviously don’t know you well enough to guess whether you’re likely to act out your fantasy life, but the possibility that you are does concern me.

  38. 45

    Steve spews:

    “Let me use Puddy as a good example. I know him outside HA and can tell you that he is a very good human being who does a lot to help others.”

    He’s not so bad when sedated. When he’s not, he comes up with stuff like this,

    “When fire falls from Heaven what will you say then Moonbat!s? Puddy was right!”

    Here we have a guy, and there are millions more like him, who gets all hot and deliriously excited when wishing for the end of the world to come. Think about that. They want the world to end. And if his dreams come true, Puddy will go out in the third-person exclaiming,

    “Puddy was right!”

    “Whit should I disrespect him as long as whatever he believes leads him t do good things?”

    A better question is, why should you respect him? Really, SJ, do a few good deeds give pass to his despicable brew of religious “End of the World” fanaticism and extremist right-wing proto-fascism? Does a good deed or two really allow you to respect a man who believes that Jews are only here to serve as some pawn in their End of Days game of death? Does a few good deeds allow you to respect a man who plays nice with you while deep inside he believes your soul should perish after a short stint in hell while his goes on to glory with God? Respect him if you so choose, but it’ll be a cold day in Christian hell before I could respect something or someone so foul as that.

  39. 46

    Steve spews:

    “If Puddy is right you are a POST TOASTIE!”

    It’ll take more than a good deed to put lipstick on that pig, SJ.

  40. 49

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Liberals do not give $$

    Show me some evidence for that canard!

    How quickly you forget SJ. Puddy has posted the Salvation Army Study three times. Give a shout to TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA ylb for the link.

    Go on SJ. Puddy knows you have a set unlike other fools here on HA! OOps… Puddy forgot you don’t respect ylb. Butt go on and ask him anyway!

  41. 50

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Poor Stupid Solution Steve… such a moron since March 15th. Was that the last day you got some? Pipes backed up? Clogged cranial orifice?

  42. 51

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    SJ

    Choke on this one: Dick and Lynne Cheney $6,869,655 in 2006.
    Al and Tipper Gore gave $353 in 1997.
    John Effin and Tereza Heinz Kerry worth approximate $700Millon. And how much did they give to charity again SJ?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  43. 52

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Of course ylb won’t post this one either from the NY Times because it makes leftist fools look stupid. Wait a minute… they already look stupid. Witness the leftist booger commentary in this thread. Puddy previously placed point.

    “religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.”

  44. 53

    spews:

    LS

    1. You used the terms “Palestine and Palestinian” not I. I am not parsing them at all, merely asking you what you meant.

    2. FWIW, The Zionists supported the creation of an Arab state by what ever name it might be called. In 48 the Arabs states invaded and occupied. Gaza was nationalized by Egypt and the West by Jordan. The invaders, NOT the Israelis, refused the indigenous people citizenship min their land.

    3. Like most Jews and Israelis, I strongly support mutual recognition of Israel and Palestine. Like most good people everywhere, including my hero Jimmy Carter, I see this as only possible when there is an independent Palestine.

    When you know how to get there form here, speak up. You might start by joining Peace Now.

  45. 54

    spews:

    LS

    What BS .. I certainly did not use “Christian” as an epithet any more than I would use “American” as an epithet in describing you as someone who has an American view of the world.

  46. 55

    spews:

    @51 Choke on what …

    Your anecdotes?

    Just look at the UW and tell me where on your spectrum the folks are who donate to unlimited scholarships or research buildings devoted to disease.

    Would you rather have Billy G as a donor than Phil Knight?

  47. 56

    spews:

    @45 Steve

    We agree that Puddy does himself no service by the performance he puts on here.

    As someone who admires Puddy, I wish he would at least use a sockpuppet to show the side I value.

  48. 58

    Steve spews:

    @56 He reveals a decent side now and then. I do see that. But I’ve also seen that it never lasts long before he’s off on a tear again. For our experience, doesn’t that leave any display of decency an abberation? Eh, sure, perhaps he’s cleverly conjured up a truly ugly internet persona, exacting in it’s third-person, P-bonics detail, all while reveling in it’s ugliness. Indeed, maybe this is a personality totally detached from the one he displays in his, um, other life. But doesn’t this beg questions? When you met him, did you meet the real person or had you already gotten to know him here? His creation, if that’s what it is, prays for billions to die so that he can cry out, “Puddy was right!” I ask you, what kind of a mind would delve so deep into such a vile indulgence?

  49. 60

    spews:

    Klynical and Puddybud claim they’re going to the good place after they shake off the mortal coil.

    Wherever they’re going who in their right mind would want to be there?? For eternity???

    Shit I’ll do whatever I can to go to some other place.

  50. 61

    spews:

    @59 LS

    I do not mean to cast aspersions but as a non Christian, it seems to came that almost all Europeans, even those who claim to have forsworn Christianity, believe that all religions share Christian properties ..

    1. belief in a universal truth

    2. obligation to spread that truth by evangelism or other more drastic means.

    3. the distinction between monotheistic, esp Abrahamic religions .. as if monotheism somehow was superior to paganism.

    4. The concept of forgiveness .. that is Christians assert that they can make amends for past evils by apologizing or blaming those evils on their ancestors. One reason I admire modern Germans and modern liberal Americans is a shared ability to accept responsibility for past deeds of our cultures .. a very NON christian thing to do!

    There is more, Europeans all grow up in the Christian tradition. This even true of Jews, Reform Judaism especially is very much influenced by Christianity and a lot of Ashkenazi Judaism is a reaction to Christianity.

    By the way, I DO not use “Christian” as an epithet since I believe a lot of goof things come from that same tradition .. including charity, the concept of a loving deity, and perhaps even democracy.

  51. 62

    spews:

    @58 Steve

    I do not understand it either. Everything I have seen of Pussy outside of the blog contradicts the sock puppet here.

    Makes me wonder about the real personas of Cynical, MOT, Beckoner, Lee, and Troll!

    Maybe this is a hobby? Like gay guys dressing as nuns? Maybe it is a scream by folks needing a safe outlet? Is HA their S&M venue?

  52. 63

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Show me some evidence for that canard!

    Puddy displays evidence and SJ calls it an anecdote.

    Wrong old Dr Professor. Thems actual facts!

    SJ, why should Puddy do that? When Puddy places long thought out commentary on the moronic positions of DUMMOCRAPTS, either fools like No Facts demonstrate absolute ignorance, or morons like correctnotright resort to ad hominem attacks, and ylb whips out his dumb as dirt HA DTATBAZE.

    Remember SJ

    “religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.”

    Not anecdotal, but a real study.

  53. 64

    spews:

    Puddy

    Telling me about someone or some other one’s tax returns is hardly evidence that libs give less money than righties.

    I can look around me and see a ,lot of evidence of real charity .. Medecin sans Fronteir, Peace Now, Puget Sound Blood Bank, .. a LOT of this IS from well known libs.

    I assume you would consider Billy G a lib? What do you think of the Gates foundation?

    OTOH, Phil Knight (owns Nike) ,, he seems to think charity begins at the Oregon Ducks!

    Of course, these too are anecdotes. I am SURE that Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and the KOck Brothers give HUGE amounts to charity.

  54. 65

    Zotz sez: Puddybud is just another word for arschloch. spews:

    This was perfect, Steve, exactly correct:

    A better question is, why should you respect him? Really, SJ, do a few good deeds give pass to his despicable brew of religious “End of the World” fanaticism and extremist right-wing proto-fascism? Does a good deed or two really allow you to respect a man who believes that Jews are only here to serve as some pawn in their End of Days game of death? Does a few good deeds allow you to respect a man who plays nice with you while deep inside he believes your soul should perish after a short stint in hell while his goes on to glory with God? Respect him if you so choose, but it’ll be a cold day in Christian hell before I could respect something or someone so foul as that.

  55. 66

    spews:

    @65 Zotz and Steve

    So tell me graashoppers, which Puddy do I believe in? the character here, the one he plays on the stage at Seattle’s gay theater, or the friend?

    Seems to me you are abit like him if you think I should believe in the printed word rather than the perceived reality?

    So, based in that I assume you also believe the HA God is for real? are you SURE God and Puddy are not both sock puppets?

  56. 67

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    SJ,

    Go back and see how many HA leftist “people” actually converse with “god”. That is

    Toooooooooooooooooooo

    Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

    Funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny

  57. 68

    Zotz sez: Puddybud is just another word for arschloch. spews:

    Sadly for the American Taxpayer, it is important to remember that when we talk “charity” and “christians”, that includes tax deductible “tithing” and “seeds of faith” to their corrupt clergy who in turn control tax exempt property and other, shall we say, “pecuniary” (God wants you to be rich!) concerns.

    After all, “people” like Pudpuller and Klynical who have been brainwashed to eschew rationality and glory in their ignorance are easy, easy marks.

  58. 69

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    SJ,

    When Puddy discusses charity, it’s from giving from that which you barely have.

    Bill Gates giving doesn’t prohibit him from living large and flying large. Puddy remembers when Phil Knight was busted for making Nike with overseas cheep Asian labor. Oh wait a minute… if you are a progressive Moonbat! it’s okay. Just clean up your “act” and keep being a Moonbat! Puddy’s giving has stopped him from getting some things Puddy would love to get in life. Butt the smile Puddy sees on the pictures of Puddy’s sponsored kids faces is better than some finite object purchased from a store. Butt Puddy understands Moonbat!s don’t get that.

    So you all keep attacking Puddy. You all stay cheep in your giving ways and throw up others so you can “sleep at night”. Puddy is laughing out loud!

  59. 70

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Zitz, always the moron,

    Remember used douchewater… If Puddy is wrong then Puddy is wrong… Butt if there is a God and if He has a Son named Jesus and Jesus returns and finds Zitz wanting… well then Puddy would say Zitz was deceived and crazy!

  60. 71

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    tax deductible “tithing”

    Uhhh foolish moron Zitz… it’s in the federal code. Seems you have a problem with that. TOO BAD FOOL! Many of us would still give because it’s required of our beliefs.

  61. 72

    Zotz sez: Puddybud is just another word for arschloch. spews:

    No SJ, we’ve all pretty much outed you on the God thing, but we do play along from time to time.

    Sockpuppet or not, Steve nailed Pudpuller — he’s an insane, fascist piece of shit.

    As far as your assessment of Pudpuller, I’d point out that it wouldn’t be the first time that a Jew was conned by a smiling fascist.

  62. 73

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Oh Zitz,

    The only thing Steve Stupid Solution nailed is being off his meds since March 15th.

    Fascist? Coming from you? Oh my Puddy needs the decoder ring again! (a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government) Exactly what Odumba and his gang are doing!

    Piece of Shit? Is that a slam cuz ol’ Puddy’s brown skin? How progressive of you fool.

    Insane? Have you read “your own HA material”?

  63. 74

    Steve spews:

    “So tell me graashoppers, which Puddy do I believe in? the character here, the one he plays on the stage at Seattle’s gay theater, or the friend?”

    That’s your call, SJ. For my part, I only know the Puddy who shows up here at HA. You, having met him, have more choices. I do believe it is a choice. And that’s not your doing, it’s Puddy’s.

    “Seems to me you are abit like him if you think I should believe in the printed word rather than the perceived reality?”

    Isn’t the written word also a perceived reality? I don’t think I’ve suggested what you should believe. I would only suggest that you keep in mind that, “Outsides do not portray insides, Jeckylls may be masking Hydes”, and that after nearly 30,000 comments, the persona that is Puddy likely has more of a track record with you than the persona you met briefly at your daughter’s wedding and at DL.

    “So, based in that I assume you also believe the HA God is for real? are you SURE God and Puddy are not both sock puppets?”

    I don’t try to sort out the HA sockpuppets. That said, having met and having trust in Roger, who has met both you and Puddy at your daughter’s wedding, I’m fairly confident that Puddy is not your sockpuppet. As for HA’s God, I do not assume he is your sockpuppet or even that he is, in fact, a sockpuppet. I reckon that if God could provide revelation to Joseph Smith when Joe put a stone and his face in a hat, then I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that God was providing revelation through HA’s cesspool. But seriously, unlike the Puddy character, the HA God posts comments that always contribute to discussion and often injects a very interesting perspective. His stays are brief and, if he is your sock puppet, it doesn’t strike me as being, well, disturbing behavior on your part.

  64. 75

    Steve spews:

    “You all stay cheep in your giving ways and throw up others so you can “sleep at night”.”

    I’d bet I’ve donated a higher percentage of my income to charity than you, and when I die my entire estate goes to charity. By your own measure, and what you purport to be God’s measure, heh- that makes me a better man than you. God loves me more – nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! Suck on that, Puddy.

  65. 76

    spews:

    @71

    On Puddy we agree.

    Certainly the entire Puddy must somehow explain all of his components.

    As for HA God, wouldn’t it be funny if God and Puddy are one? Puddy has told me he is not HA God, he has accused me of that!

  66. 77

    Steve spews:

    “As for HA God, wouldn’t it be funny if God and Puddy are one?”

    Well, my head would spin and my faith would be shaken but, yeah, that would be pretty darn funny.

  67. 78

    Steve spews:

    SJ, the link in your screen name goes nowhere. I was hoping to check out your photography again. I really like what you do with that.

  68. 79

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Oh Steve Stupid Solution Oh Stupid Solution Steve Oh,

    Puddy will take you up on that challenge. Please show up at a DL with your last 15 years of tax returns and Puddy will deliver his last 15 years of tax returns. Puddy will gladly compare tax returns. Before arriving at the MontLake Ale House, be sure to purge yourself of at least one week of being on the Stupid Solution Sauce. Can you actually do that Steve Stupid Solution? Since March 15th you’ve been at the same jackASS level as rujax!

    Oh yeah baby… Puddy has issued this challenge for years to your Moonbat!tic crew. No one dared take the challenge. Since Puddy has children we are only leaving between 25 – 50% of our estate to charity.

    BTW Stupid Solution Steve… the HA ‘god” doesn’t even quoteth the Bible correctly let alone say something worthwhile. Otherwise the HA “god” would correctly acknowledge Jesus!

    Your move Stupid Solution Steve. Puddy ready willing and able!

  69. 80

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Oh yeah Steve Stupid Solution Roger Rabbit and Mrs Rabbit met Mrs Puddy. Puddy is sure the Bunny will tell you sometime how BEAUTIFUL she is!

    So show up at a DL and meet Puddy in Person. Puddy not that imposing… taller than 6 feet + and 230 or so! Still can bench my weight at my old age. Still can dead lift much more. And still as good looking as when Mrs Puddy married Puddy.

    Your move Steve Stupid Solution!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh… good night Stupid Solution Steve. Mrs Puddy is calling!

  70. 81

    Steve spews:

    “Puddy will take you up on that challenge.”

    heh- You sound like the KLOWN when we had the Great Trade Confirmation Showdown. The KLOWN talked big like you. Goldy has had my trade confirmations for a couple years. I’m still waiting for the KLOWN to show up. He won’t. As I figured. Now why should I believe for even one minute that you’ll deliver any better than the KLOWN did?

    We should first meet on a basketball court so you can get a better understanding of just who’s who in this friendship. Then we can procede to the links where you can suffer further humiliation at the hands of my sand wedge.

    “So show up at a DL and meet Puddy in Person. Puddy not that imposing… taller than 6 feet + and 230 or so! Still can bench my weight at my old age. Still can dead lift much more.

    I’m 6′-2″ and can still play a couple of hours of full court basketball at my old age. heh- I reckon I’ll be looking down on you in person just as I do here.

    Geez, I hope you’re not gonna suffer a breakdown when you see me hanging on the rim. heh- Maybe you should bring your meds.

    “And still as good looking as when Mrs Puddy married Puddy.”

    You may not think I’m good looking but that’s OK, seeing as how it’s yo mama’s opinion that counts. heh- How about I roll over and ask her?

  71. 82

    Steve spews:

    Sigh! It’s not much fun pwning Puddy when he’s too stupid to even know that he’s been pwned.

  72. 83

    spews:

    the HA ‘god” doesn’t even quoteth the Bible correctly let alone say something worthwhile. Otherwise the HA “god” would correctly acknowledge Jesus!

    Do not take My name in vain.

    Since I am that I am, how would you have Me acknowledge Jesus?

    To “quoteth” oneself sounds like plagiarism. Of course, since your own text never claims to be My word, why would “quotething” be better for you than My simply speaking?

    Repeating the rumors and errors of the authors of stories about Jesus is hardly appropriate for One who is perfect.

    I am that I am.

  73. 84

    spews:

    Puddy

    To give to others so as to brag of one’s charity or to give so as to promote your own causes is not charity, it is vanity.

    Your vainglory is showing tonight.

    I am that I am

  74. 85

    spews:

    All

    Some seems worried about “who” I am. That is good.

    Trust only in that which you can prove to yourself or in those whose words come from respect for that which can be proved.

    I am that I am

  75. 86

    spews:

    Puddy,

    Charity done in My name is only charity when given with no self pride.

    Charity can not be measured in quantities of goods, the Buddha had no possessions but his bowl and robes. Was his charity less than yours?

    I made all, this was not charity.

    I am that I am.

  76. 87

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Um Steve Stupid Solution…

    Puddy been to five DLs over the years. Puddy WILL SHOW UP! Then you’ll be OWNED PWNED and FWNED! So your move Stupid Solution Steve. Seems to Puddy just more empty words from a useless progressive!

  77. 88

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    To the fool “playing god”,

    Go back and learn your Bible. Your lunacy shows.

  78. 90

    spews:

    To give to others so as to brag of one’s charity or to give so as to promote your own causes is not charity, it is vanity.

    EXACTLY!

  79. 91

    rob spews:

    @74,

    God is SJ’s sock. I’ll dig up the thread if you really want it, but short story: he mixed up his socks in a response to Lee, IIRC. And he’s been busted sockpuppeting before.

  80. 92

    spews:

    Oh?

    Now that is something I would like to see.

    BTW who is “IIRC?”

    Being confused with God is ..flattering.

  81. 93

    correctnotright spews:

    @81: Steve:
    Puddy is a pretty big guy. He is not lying about that. He may be a bit out of shape – but we all are at our age. Oh, and Puddy will show up at DL, too.

    However, you are right about Puddy not recognizing when he has been totally refuted. Puddy will simply change the topic or run away when confornted with facts that refute his weak assertions.

    Just give it up – I have shown plenty of times that Puddy is full of half-truths and lies. Puddy just keep coming and refuses to acknowledge his lack of truth and he also is unable to look at topics in depth and not simplistically.

  82. 96

    spews:

    @94 rob

    Interesting link. I am still flattered but fail to see how God commenting on marijuana proves that I am God.

    Of course, there are likely many sockpuppets here. For example, I know Le has posted as if he were me .. maybe this was Lee? I doubt that, but ????

    As for IIRC, as far as I know I have never used it. So, if God is talking with you that way, you may need to let the Vatican and the Mormon Church know you are in Cintact.

  83. 97

    spews:

    @93 CNR

    There is a famous story of the Buddha being in an alley. At the other end an enraged elephant is charging down the alley. others flee. Buddha raises his hand in a gesture of confidence. The elephant stops and bows down to let hi8mslef be petted by the Buddha.

    Maybe Puddy is Buddha? Maybe he is the elephant?

  84. 98

    Steve spews:

    “IIRC”

    I had to Google that one myself.

    “Puddy is a pretty big guy. He is not lying about that. He may be a bit out of shape – but we all are at our age. Oh, and Puddy will show up at DL, too.”

    Puddy and I are just having fun. We play a very rough and tumble game here – no holds barred and we give no quarter. But when the chips are down, say like when I experienced a deep loss, he comes through as the friend he truly is. I wouldn’t hesitate to do the same. As for B-ball, the guy has a bum knee, so I’d understand if he’s limited to a game of horse, which he’d lose. I’m not into drinking or going to bars so I’d rather he and I hooked up elsewhere. If he hasn’t realized it yet, he has an open invite to contact me through Goldy so we can get together. I think I’d enjoy that very much.

    Puddy and I are both Christians. I make fun of his “cult”, but to be fair, I do the same with my own. Beyond the humorous aspects of our religions, I see in Puddy a man of deep faith and kind generosity. I really do respect that. That said, I’m still going to make fun of him.

  85. 100

    Steve spews:

    @99 I’m sure our HA God would bless this.

    Darn, that screen name link of yours still doesn’t work. If you’re reluctant to post the link to your site, that’s OK. I’ll try going through archives to find it. I want to take another look at your photography. I really like what you do with that.

  86. 102

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    Wow Steve, I’m impressed. You stole my heart for a moment :)

    Back to the fool correctnotright… Why won’t you answer why DUMMOCRAPTS are not running on their voting record and instead smearing their opponents with lies and baseless innuendo? Instead you throw up total deflections as witness by this crapola here…

    However, you are right about Puddy not recognizing when he has been totally refuted. Puddy will simply change the topic or run away when confornted with facts that refute his weak assertions.

    Weak assertions? Answer the prime directive question. You can’t and you won’t.

    Weak sauce correctnotright. You aren’t even Ragu thickness or consistency!

  87. 103

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    I’d understand if he’s limited to a game of horse, which he’d lose.

    Uhhh Steve, I can still jump even though it’s on 1.5 legs. Jumping is the first thing to a game of horse. Still have the repertoire of trick shots.

  88. 104

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, TEH HA DATABAZE KEEPA at home spews:

    To the dirt stain @90,

    You wouldn’t know a charitable organization if they called you all day while at home working on TEH HA DATABAZE!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  89. 105

    spews:

    #2 @ 104

    And “charity” to you is always an opportunity to gloat to the unfortunate on government computers over how superior you are to HA lefties.

  90. 107

    Steve spews:

    “Wow Steve, I’m impressed. You stole my heart for a moment :)”

    You know I love ya, Puddy.

    “Still have the repertoire of trick shots.”

    After you get a load of what I can do, you’ll be telling YLB that he tagged the wrong guy as “Junkshot”.

    When I was a teen in detention we were watching home movies one night and there was a clip of this kid shooting hoops by himself. He was good. I had a fit of jealousy, he was so good – smooth and with a jump shot to die for. I muttered aloud, “Who is that? That kid’s good!” The kid sitting next to me punches me and says, “Idiot, that’s you!”

    “Puddybud’s system is getting more resistant to his meds.”

    Don’t worry, YLB. When we’re done playing horse, Puddy will most definitely be begging the Doc a stronger prescription.

  91. 108

    rob spews:

    As for IIRC, as far as I know I have never used it. So, if God is talking with you that way, you may need to let the Vatican and the Mormon Church know you are in Cintact.

    I don’t have the faintest idea what you’re trying to say here.