Guns make us safer

Guns don’t kill people. Oh wait… yes they do:

Los Angeles police say a 9-year-old boy playing with a loaded gun accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old brother. … [H]omicide detectives interviewed family members and determined that the gun had gone off while the 9-year-old was playing with it.

If there weren’t a gun in the house, that child would still be alive. That’s all I’m saying.


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    don spews:

    You know if guns are outlawed, only the children of outlaws will accidentally shoot themselves…

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    C’mon Goldy–
    One anecdotal example where the gun-owner/parent was reckless & irresponsible?

    Perhaps we should outlaw bicycles because kids are killed on them? Without the bike, they would be alive today.

    I’m just sayin’

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    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The Dems strategy is to bring up the ridiculous issues like the ILLEGAL Immigration suit against Arizona, more tax increases on rich guys & evil corporations and even Gun Bans somehow thinking this will help mobilize the fizzling base.
    It won’t fact, it will make things even worse if that’s possible.

    I’ve notice, ObaMao’s popularity ebbs & flows slightly as the DOW rises & falls.
    Pissin’ off the NRA will only make things worse Goldy.
    Keep up the Bad Work!

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    ConservativeFirst spews:


    If there weren’t a gun in the house, that child would still be alive. That’s all I’m saying.

    Not necessarily true. You don’t know whether or not the person who owned the gun previously used it to protect the child’s life.

    That being said, in California the gun owner is criminally liable if their gun isn’t stored in a place that is reasonably inaccessible to children or doesn’t use a device to lock the gun.

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    uptown spews:

    From The University of Utah Eccles Health Sciences Library

    Firearms injuries are the second leading cause of non-natural death in childhood and adolescence. (CDC, 2004) Accidental shooting deaths are most commonly associated with one or more children playing with a gun they found in the home. (Choi, et al, 1994)…

    In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal Intervention 360; Undetermined 220. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S…

    The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable–over 200,000 per year in the U.S.

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    BeerNotWar spews:

    The odds that a firearm in the home will intentionally or accidentally injure or kill a resident of that home should give anyone pause before purchasing a gun for home defense.

    Basically, unless you live in an area where violent crime is very likely to affect you, or you have a credible threat against your person or family…the odds dictate that you should do without. I don’t think there’s anywhere in Seattle where crime is bad enough to outweigh the odds.

    So if nobody has threatened your life…just stay away from guns. Get a taser or pepper spray if you need to feel safe.

    The only exception would be if you happen to be highly trained in the use of firearms in a combat situation. If so, you’re less likely to misuse your firearm.

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    YellowPup spews:

    I guess the question always comes back to what cost and level of accidental death/injury is acceptable so that those who like to own/carry loaded guns can continue to do so in the way they always have.

    I don’t think any amount of voluntary gun safety training or enforcement of existing laws is going to prevent stuff like this from happening. There are always going to be morons who injure or kill innocent people while exercising their lawful/constitutional right to own and carry guns.

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    BeerNotWar spews:

    Eliminating accidents is never possible but reducing them is. This is a straw man argument and really doesn’t address the core issue: does it make sense to own a gun for protection in light of the risk…i.e. does it make you safer.

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    Stating the Obvious, I guess spews:

    4. Mr. Cynical spews:
    C’mon Goldy–
    One anecdotal example where the gun-owner/parent was reckless & irresponsible?

    How come if one anecdotal person, somewhere, cheats on her welfare payment, you conservatives want to dismantle the whole system?
    How come if one anecdotal person, somewhere, cheats on his student aid, you conservatives want to dismantle the whole system?
    How come if one anecdotal person, somewhere, finds a way to game their unemployment check for a week, you conservatives want to dismantle the whole system?

    But if one anecdotal kid gets killed with a handgun, that’s just a reckless & irresponsible parent?

    What do I take from this?
    Anything that costs a conservative money is Unacceptable.
    Anything that threatens a conservative’s gun ownership, even if doing nothing kills children, is Acceptable.

    I wonder which Jesus would think was worse?

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    drool spews:

    I noticed you missed reporting on all the children killed in auto accidents since your last anti-firearm screed. If you don’t feel safe with a gun in your home, don’t get one. Just don’t deny me my rights.

    Goldy, Why do you allow your daughter in your unsafe car? There are much safer ways to transport your child….in fact you should buy a safer car. I mandate it as your protector that knows better.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    5 Slain in New Mexico Shooting Rampage

    Five people have been gunned down, and four more wounded, by a gunman who opened fire in an Albuquerque office building this morning. The shooter then committed suicide. Police say the motive likely was a domestic dispute, i.e., the 37-year-old gunman was targeting his wife or girlfriend. The couple had children, who reportedly are safe.

    Five people are dead; but hey, what’s 5 innocent lives compared to the Second Amendment? That’s a tiny price to pay for protecting our gun rights and maintaining a conservative majority on the Extreme Court.

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    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Roger Rabbit spews @13:

    Other than ranting about the Supreme Court, what’s your solution?

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    Contemplate this, on the Tree of Woe spews:

    Responsible gun owners do not leave firearms laying around children.

    Just the same way that responsible drivers do not drive drunk or STONED.

    I dont hear anybody supporting the outlawing of cars or beer…and quite the opposite, we have Lee clamoring for legal pot….hmmm…I wonder what Lee is going to say when there is an increase in pot related car accidents and construction/industrial accidents when/if pot is legalized.

    Responsible drivers dont drink and drive and dont smoke pot.

    Responsible gun owners keep their weapons locked up.

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    Contemplate this, on the Tree of Woe spews:

    Speaking of protection, if I lived where Goldy does, I would own a fucking machine gun.

    just saying….

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    Randroid spews:

    Since you brought up the analogy of a car to a gun

    A car has mandated safety features, like air bags and seat belts and safety glass. Are equivalent safety features on handguns mandated?

    A car needs a key to start it and drive it. Do guns have keys to unlock it so it can shoot?

    Not everyone can drive a car. You have to take and pass a test before you are legally allowed behind the wheel. Do you have to take and pass a test before you are legally allowed to use a firearm?

    Every car on public roads is supposed to be licensed by the state. Is every gun taken on public space licensed by the state?

    I’d like it if guns were as regulated as cars.

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    Mr. Sinical (...proud 'neath heated brow.) spews:

    If Paul Revere hadn’t had silver smelting equipment in his home, Johnnie Tremaine would never have baked his right hand into a webbed monstrosity.

    Let’s all think about that.

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    Puddybud is shocked SHOCKED spews:

    Johnny Tremaine headless lucy…

    And, you’d still be a British subject. Man you are a tangent an hour!

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    Mr. Sinical (...proud 'neath heated brow.) spews:

    re 19: Don’t change the subject, Waxx.

    Have you ever listened to Michelle Shocked? You’d really be shocked SHOCKED

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    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Yeah, but he could have accidentally beaten himself to death with a baseball bat and no one is trying to take away baseball bats from children?

    And certainly the family of the child is consoled by the fact that such accidents rarely happen.

    And we can all rest assured that the improperly secured legally purchased weapon of another is absolutely impossible to use against us.

    Also, I recently communicated with the Founding Fathers via my Ouija board and they told me that silly part of the 2nd amendment “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” was some silly thing William Lambert wrote when he was drunk, so you are correct just to ignore it as if it does not even exist.

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    Michael spews:


    Responsible gun owners do not leave firearms laying around children.

    Yep! But, there are enough irresponsible people around doing enough harm that we need to make a few changes in gun laws. I’d like to see mandatory firearms training before you can buy a gun, instant background checks on purchases of ammo and banning ammo sales out of catalogs or over the internet.

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    Mark1 spews:

    It is the responsibility of any gun owner to keep it secure and away from the hands of children accordingly. As for Goldy, I recommend he does purchase a firearm for defense, as he sure couldn’t defend himself, his daughter, or his property against an attack/invasion/robbery/burglary, etc. by a smurf, especially in that shit-hole neighborhood he lives in. Oh wait, the cops will be there to foil the crime right Goldy? So sadly ignorant.