EPA to declare Republicans an endangered species?

Wow. I guess voters aren’t quite as stupid as Karl Rove took them for, after all:

Public allegiance to the Republican Party has plunged since the second year of George W. Bush’s presidency, as attitudes have edged away from some of the conservative values that fueled GOP political dominance for more than a decade, a new survey has found.

The survey, by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for People and the Press, found a “dramatic shift” in political-party identification since 2002, when Republicans and Democrats were at rough parity. Now, half of those surveyed identified with or leaned toward Democrats, while 35 percent aligned with Republicans.

What’s more, the survey found the public attitudes are drifting toward Democrats’ values: Support for government aid to the disadvantaged has grown since the mid-1990s, skepticism about the use of military force has increased and support for traditional family values has edged down.

Rove is reportedly fond of William McKinley, but when it comes to political realignments, I think the Republican presidency George W. Bush will most closely be compared to is that of Herbert Hoover.

UPDATE:
Andrew Sullivan agrees:

It’s a devastating indictment of the Bush-Rove strategy for conservatism and the Republican party. They may have created the most loyally Democratic generation since the New Deal with the under 25s. […] It turns out that Karl Rove has gone a long way toward securing a permanent majority in American politics … for liberals and Democrats. The collapse of a coherent, freedom-loving, reality-based conservatism is surely part of the reason.

Comments

  1. 1

    spews:

    The Republican Party of Bush/Cheney/Rove represents the moneyed and corporate interests of America. Their goal has been to keep all they have and get as much more as they can.

    Most people can only be fooled for so long. It’s surprising that 35% would still errorously consider the current corporate power structure set up in DC under Bush as somehow being in their interest.

  2. 2

    spews:

    Not to be a natural resources management nerd, but since Republicans would likely be considered wildlife, the US Fish and Wildlife Service would decide their status under ESA.

    If they migrated out to the sea or where ocean based, they would be under the authority of NOAA Fisheries.

    EPA, to my knowledge, doesn’t have any ESA function in terms fo whether a species is listed.

  3. 4

    Bad Bob spews:

    Perhaps “public allegiance” to the party has more to do with the fact that, while President Bush got some things right – tax cuts… and protecting this country with the war on terror and islamo-nazis – His major problem is that he spends money like a drunken democrat lead congress.

  4. 5

    headless lucy spews:

    Family values are, in a reality based world, closely aligned with Liberalism (e.g., unions, social security, aid to dependent children).

    Cheap Labor Conservatism and Family Values (e.g., stay at home moms) are two concepts that are at total loggerheads. The right wing compartmentalized authoritarian mindset, however, is easily able to hold disparate, clashing notions. The important thing for WingNutz(tm) is the “authority” of the ideas source rather than the value or correctness of the idea.

    All WingNutz(tm) mental effort is spent on justification — not logical reasoning. Hence, we still have 1/3 of the populace unable to see reason.

  5. 6

    spews:

    Emmett @2,

    Yeah, I suppose I should have fact checked that before posting the joke headline, but it was two in the goddamn morning.

  6. 9

    spews:

    Hey, Goldy. Don’t put down President Hoover that way. The man was honest, made his fortune by being hard-working and diligent, spent time and money trying to help the poor and was philosophically opposed to war. In his campaign against Al Smith, he refused to go along with those that would use Mr. Smith’s religion (Catholics were not popular at the time) as a campaign issue, and actively repudiated any Republican that tried.

    His efforts to combat the great depression failed, but he did try honestly, and the depression itself wasn’t his fault.

    So, to summarize:

    Hoover – honest, hard-working, unwilling to use lies and prejudice in his campaign, opposed war, active in charitable efforts.

    Bush – None of the above.

  7. 10

    headless lucy spews:

    http://members.shaw.ca/perchal.....apter3.pdf

    “But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting

    -SLOPPY REASONING,
    -HIGHLY COMPARTMENTALIZED BELIEFS,
    -DOUBLE STANDARDS,
    -HYPOCRISY,
    -SELF-BLINDNESS,
    -A PROFOUND ETHNOCENTRISM,
    -AND … A FEROCIOUS DOGMATISM

    that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would-be dictator.”

  8. 11

    GBS spews:

    Well, duhhhhh. . .

    Look at the 2006 elections and the sea change of power in the House and Senate.

    2008 Republicans have to defend 21 seats vs. 12 for the Dems in the Senate.

    2010 Republicans have to defend 19 seats vs. 15 for the Dems.

    The 2004 elections was the “make or break” moment for the conservative movement. Had the Republican “walked their talk” about holding the military in high esteem, fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, following the Rule of Law, and avoiding corruption and hypocricacy they would be in control now. But, since the Culture of Corruption mindset is so pervasive they continued breaking the laws and trust of this country.

    The dramatic shift in loyalty stems from the deep sense of pride many conservatives hold for the military. It’s more than apparent that the Bush administration has abused our military to the breaking point and their base will not forgive them for that. Couple that with scandals that the base may have turned a blind eye to and you have a disappointed voting block.

    Given the fact that they have so many seats to defend in the Senate between 2008 & 2010, it appears the Republican reign in Congress is over for another 4 decades, perhaps longer.

  9. 12

    GBS spews:

    When Halliburton officially leaves HOUSTON, TEXAS for Dubai, that will be the final nail in the coffin.

  10. 13

    GBS spews:

    Bad Bob:

    You do realize that when the federal government is borrowing money that it is impossible to have a “tax cut?”

    You are smart enough to realize that, right?

    See, when the government isn’t raising enough revenue from taxing, it borrows money from foreign countries like China. What Bush is really doing is giving a tax deferment.

    The federal government borrows money by selling Treasury Bills which come due decades from now. So the “tax cut” today is really nothing more than a sham to pass along a tax increase to future generations of Americans.

    You dumb fuck.

  11. 14

    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Goldy,

    Comparing Bush Jr. to Herbert Hoover is an insult to Hoover.

    While we usually remember Hoover for presiding haplessly and hopelessly over the Depression, he was also an accomplished businessman and engineer who came to national prominence by getting New Orleans dried out the last time it was dunked under several feet of water.

    Of course, when presented with the Depression, Hoover’s technical skills ran out on him, and his empathy for other people’s suffering never existed in the first place.

    A lifetime of good work was undone by 3 years of inability to deal with a major economic crisis.

    Bush peres has sometimes compared himself to Herbert Hoover, which may be apt.

    Bush fils has very few good deeds to his name over his lifetime. He is literally in a class by himself.

  12. 15

    GBS spews:

    Bad Bob:

    According to the most recent NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) Report there was a consensus between all 16 US spy agencies that Bush’ Iraq War is creating more terrorists faster than we can eliminate them.

    North Korea went nuclear on his watch entirely and Iran is close to going nuclear.

    We are not safer now and he’s done a terrible job as Commander-in-Chief of our military.

    Dumb ass.

  13. 16

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Yes all three of the inbred, asslicking, cowardly Publicans who post here using 23 different names now realize just how lonely that group of remaining Bush regime supports really is.

  14. 17

    GBS spews:

    Bad Bob:

    I hope you don’t use the handle “Bad Bob” because you think you’re some sort of bad ass. Clearly, you are not. I think you screen name must be a typo. Surely it must be:

    Bad Boob.

    Yeah, that’s more like it. From now on, Bad Bob will be known as Bad Boob.

    IF, Bush were to have spent money like a Democrat we’d still having a FUCKING surplus you God Damned idiot!!!

    Now, run along. Obviously, you’re way out of your league here. On this blog we spit fire and FACTS so when you get an “A” game, come back.

    For your low level of knowledge (un)SP is more your speed.

  15. 18

    spews:

    Goldy ..

    better example: Harding. Hoover was sin cere and tried to fix things. Not a Bushlet.

    When are we going to formalize the Bush vocabulary? Some has started:

    Bushwacking

    Swift boating

    how about the Bushican party? ,,, or Bushlet?

    or as dumb as a Bushie?

  16. 19

    spews:

    John @9, JSA @14,

    I was comparing Bush to Hoover in terms of triggering political realignments. Hoover was followed by two decades of a Democratic controlled White House, and roughly six decades of nearly uninterrupted Democratic control of Congress.

    I’m not suggesting the Bush realignment will be nearly as pronounced or prolonged, but clearly, the public shift towards Democrats is at least as much a reaction to the Bush administration than it is an embrace of Democratic ideology.

    Let’s face it… Bush sucks.

  17. 20

    GBS spews:

    Former deputy Interior secretary pleads guilty
    Griles is the highest ranking official caught up in Abramoff probe

    Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles pleaded guilty Friday to obstruction of justice in a Senate committee’s investigation, becoming the highest-ranking Bush administration official convicted in the Jack Abramoff corruption scandal.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17753123/

    And, they wonder why we want Rove under oath?!?!

    Culture of Corruption is taking the Republican Party into obscurity.

  18. 21

    harry tuttle spews:

    Early in 1931, my father left the Central Valley of California in search of work to feed the family he temporarily left behind. In LA, after a few days seeking any kind of work, he got a job making boxes at $0.10 an hour. Upon finding work as an overseer/handy man in an orange grove in Covina, he returned to Merced to retrieve my mother and brother. On the trip to their new life in Southern California, they ran out of gas. At a gas station in Bakersfield, Pop talked the station attendant into accepting a thermos bottle in exchange for 2 gallons of gas. That was the second best stroke of luck he had had in six months. He was flat broke, except for the car and the future wages from the job he was trying to get to. Landing the job being the best thing that had happened.

    Until the day he died, Pop never heard Hoover’s name without stating “that hog necked bastard.”

  19. 22

    headless lucy spews:

    “Evidently, [the President] wants to shield virtually any communications that take place within the White House compound on the theory that all such talk contributes in some way, shape or form to the continuing success and harmony of an administration. TAKEN TO ITS LOGICAL EXTREME, THAT POSITION WOULD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR CITIZENS TO HOLD A CHIEF EXECUTIVE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING. HE WOULD HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO COVER UP.
    Chances are that the courts will hurl such a claim out, but it will take time.
    One gets the impression that [Bushco] values its survival more than most people want justice and thus will delay without qualm. But as the clock ticks, the public’s faith in [Bush] will ebb away for a simple reason: MOST OF US WANT NO PART OF A PRESIDENT WHO IS CYNICAL ENOUGH TO USE THE MAJESTY OF HIS OFFICE TO EVADE THE ONE THING HE IS SWORN TO UPHOLD — THE RULE OF LAW.”
    TONY SNOW, 3/29/’98

    Any honest person would compare Snow’s remarks then with what he says now and draw the appropriate conclusions — but not wingnuts: Because winnuttery is a clinical mental disease.

  20. 23

    spews:

    Anyone up for titling the book on the history of the Bush era?

    End of Empire
    Failure of Imperialism
    Dawn of the Corporate Century
    Failure of Faith
    Origins of the American Proletariat
    Self Deception
    High Tech Travesty

    ????????????????

  21. 24

    bluesky spews:

    …I think the Republican presidency George W. Bush will most closely be compared to is that of Herbert Hoover.

    I think Bush has created his own very special category of Presidential infamy. He goes way beyond any of the other standards of failure.

  22. 25

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    I guess voters aren’t quite as stupid as Karl Rove

    THANK HEAVENS. IF THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS WERE AS STUPID AS RIGHT-WING MORONS LIKE “TYPICALLEFTY”, PUDDYBUD, CRAZY ROB AND MY WINGNUT BRO YO THEN THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE IN A WORLD OF HURT.

  23. 28

    GBS spews:

    HL @ 22:

    Tony Snow better pray that Fox will rehire is sorry ass, because he has ZERO credibility as a “news” man.

  24. 29

    Right Stuff spews:

    @15
    “GBS says:

    Bad Bob:

    According to the most recent NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) Report there was a consensus between all 16 US spy agencies that Bush’ Iraq War is creating more terrorists faster than we can eliminate them.”

    Uhmmm not really. Remember the full NIE report remains classified and only portions were leaked…Also, it was an NIE that determined “slam dunk” WMD’s in Iraq. http://hosted.ap.org/specials/.....092606.pdf

    “North Korea went nuclear on his watch entirely and Iran is close to going nuclear.”

    Now. There is that little matter of Jimmy Carter going to N. Korea, on behalf of President Clinton, and giving them nuclear technology with the promise that N/ Korea would stop it’s weapons programs…The N. Koreans promply broke that promise…So it is accurate to say they completed their first wapons on the Bush watch, but innacurate to say he is the “fault”. It would be very accurate to say that N.Korea going nuclear is a failure of the international community, the UN and N. Koreas neighbors.

    Iran is yet to play out. I think we all agree it is not in our interest for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

    “We are not safer now and he’s done a terrible job as Commander-in-Chief of our military.”

    Respect your opinion, but the fact remains that the homeland has not been attacked since 9/11. Not bad…
    I also believe it is better to fight terrorists outside the US at a place of OUR choosing with our military, rather than to be reactive and have to fight here inside the US.

  25. 30

    Puddybud spews:

    Moonbat!s: How many bad apples have we caught in America (like the Lackawanna 7) and the MSM has not told you them because it would make GWB look good?

    Do you know off the top of your head without Googleing it?

    I’ll wait…

  26. 31

    GBS spews:

    Right Stuff @ 29:

    Ummmm, yeah, really. Bush is fucking up the both wars. It was George Tenent that said “slam dunk.” There was NO such consensus from all 16 us spy agencies that Iraq had WMD’s. That was cherry picked information, the foundation of the Great Lie by Bush as the premise for going to war. The CIA front company “Brewster Jennings” doubted such claims that Iraq had WMD’s.

    North Korea did not have nuclear grade material until 2 YEARS after President Clinton left office. The North Koreans threatened the Bush administration that they were gong to kick out the IAEA, break the seals, get rid of the monitoring devices, enrich uranium, make a nuclear bomb and detonate it. All on Bush’s watch. This is Bush’s problem. He failed to be the leader. He failed using diplomacy. This is another Republican debacle, pure and simple.

    I agree with you 100% it is not in our interest nor Israel’s to have Iran become a nuclear state. The problem is, the Iranians recognize how Bush has weakened our military and they are emboldened pursue their plans to build a nuclear bomb.

    Bush has wrecked the military:
    Report: U.S. Military Readiness Worsens
    Quick Response To Possible Third Crisis Unlikely Because Of Strains From Iraq And Afghanistan Wars

    The assessment, done by the nation’s top military officer, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, represents a worsening from a year ago, when that risk was rated as moderate

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....9581.shtml

    This is all done on Bush’s watch. All of it. It’s 100% he doing.

    Grow up, little boy. We’re not talkin’ about a President who lied about getting a blow job.

  27. 32

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    it was an NIE that determined “slam dunk” WMD’s in Iraq.

    THAT’S A LIE WRONG STUFF. IT WAS TENET TRYING TO BE A “TEAM PLAYER” WHO MOUTHED THAT SLAM DUNK CRAP AND HE REGRETS IT.

    THE ACTUAL NIE WAS AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE IT WAS A RUSH JOB IMPOSED FROM THE TOP.

    LIES, LIES AND MORE DAMNED LIES AND DAMN THOSE GULLIBLE WHO BELIEVE THEM.

  28. 33

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud at 30:

    Which in your opinon is better for America; Bush catching the Lackawanna 7, or Bush trampeling the Constitutional rights of Americans?

  29. 34

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    How many bad apples have we caught in America

    GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT PUDDYFOOL. GOOD DETECTIVE WORK IS A LOT CHEAPER AND CREATES FEWER TERRORISTS THAN WARS ON A CHIMPANZEE’S WHIM.

  30. 35

    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Right Stuff @ 29:

    Now. There is that little matter of Jimmy Carter going to N. Korea, on behalf of President Clinton, and giving them nuclear technology with the promise that N/ Korea would stop it’s weapons programs…

    A light-water reactor is only “nuclear technology” if you parse it literally. You cannot enrich the fuel from a light water reactor into weapons-grade material. That’s kind of the point.

    I’ve done a long spiel on NK at least once here, and don’t want to repeat it. Google the archives if you’re curious. The two sentence condensation is that it’s a nasty country that nobody wants. The only thing the local powers (China, Russia, Japan, SK) fear more than an aggressive nuclear-armed North Korea is a collapsed North Korea with millions of starving people streaming for the borders and bobbing to Japan on boats.

    Consequently, the only way to deal with NK is a constant regimen of sticks and carrots while prodding the leadership to reform their economy enough so that the place doesn’t fall apart completely. A regime change solution is something nobody wants.

  31. 36

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud.

    What say you: Is Gen. Pace lying, or has Bush fucked up the military?

    I’ll wait . . . PS: you won’t need to use The Google.

  32. 37

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud, stop hiding, I know you’re watching.

    30 & 36 I’m waiting. They’re easy questions to answer, even for a conservative.

    The difficuly, of course, being that you’ll have to answer honestly.

  33. 39

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: I was working. Now I’m back.

    First you didn’t answer my question. I’ll give you plenty of time. I was out of town these past two weeks so I’m taking the wife out for lunch.

    I’ll be back around 1 PM. If you answer mine I’ll GLADLY answer yours. Ta ta!

    BTW Mr Stupid: I didn’t have to rape the wife for some. She gladly gave it up when she saw the stalk!

  34. 40

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud:

    Former deputy Interior secretary pleads guilty
    Griles is the highest ranking official caught up in Abramoff probe

    Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles pleaded guilty Friday to obstruction of justice in a Senate committee’s investigation, becoming the highest-ranking Bush administration official convicted in the Jack Abramoff corruption scandal.

    So, do you still support the Republicans or have you compromised your moral principles?

    Here’s another Republcian felon, in a long line of convicted Republican felons.

    How can you support these criminals?

  35. 42

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    BREAKING – Speaker Pelosi and the Dems deal a crushing, agonizing blow to the right wingers – Iraq war funding calls for withdrawl. Amazing victory for Dems and America. Amazing defeat for the cowardly traitors on the right!

  36. 44

    Right Stuff spews:

    @31
    GBS
    From your own link.

    “The report is classified, but on Monday senior defense officials, speaking on condition on anonymity, confirmed the decline in overall military readiness.”

    Well now. isn’t that just like CBS… Reliable stuff here.

    So. “little Boy”. when you grow up and learn to think for youself and not what the MSM, KOS, MOveon, Soros, Dem party talking points tells you to think.
    You might just make it your own.

    In the meantime, remove your pacifier, and get back to your studies.

  37. 45

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud @ 30:

    I don’t know the exact number off the top of my head, but the number shouldn’t include Jose Padilla or innocent Canadians snatched of the streets of America and sent to Eastern European countries for torture.

    The total should only contain people who were convicted. After all, we are nation of laws and innocent until proven guilty. Well, at least that’s the way it used to be before Bush came to power.

    There’s your answer from me. I’ll be looking forward to your reply as promised by you.

    GBS

  38. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Betcha This Guy Is A Republican

    “Man Gets Probation for Sex With Dead Deer
    “AP

    “SUPERIOR, Wis. (March 21) – A 20-year-old man received probation after he was convicted of having sexual contact with a dead deer. The sentence also requires Bryan James Hathaway to be evaluated as a sex offender and treated at the Institute for Psychological and Sexual Health in Duluth, Minn. ‘The state believes that particular place is the best to provide treatment for the individual,’ Assistant District Attorney Jim Boughner said.

    “Hathaway’s probation will be served at the same time as a nine-month jail sentence he received in February for violating his extended supervision. He was found guilty in April 2005 of felony mistreatment of an animal after he killed a horse with the intention of having sex with it.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yulg3t

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: In some places, deer and horses are more endangered than Republicans.

  39. 47

    Right Stuff spews:

    @42

    RightEqualsStupid says:

    BREAKING – Speaker Pelosi and the Dems deal a crushing, agonizing blow to the right wingers – Iraq war funding calls for withdrawl. Amazing victory for Dems and America. Amazing defeat for the cowardly traitors on the right!

    Well not so much.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....ticsbudget

    By the way the real story here is how all of those “anti-war, out of Iraq” now candidates that won election on that platform have caved on their campaign promises.
    by the way, why is the retreat date 8/08? Now who is playing politics with our troops….The party of defeat.

  40. 48

    GBS spews:

    Right Stuff @ 44:

    Is this more to your liking, you dick sucking al Qeada sympatizer.

    Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Hikes Military Risk in Newest Assessment
    Monday, February 26, 2007

    WASHINGTON — The military has upgraded to “significant” the level of risk it faces in defending the nation, and attributes the higher level to the additional stress placed on the Armed Forces by ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Pentagon assessment, sent Monday by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace to Congress, measures the strains on the military’s ability to carry out national military strategy. The risk is an increase from the “moderate” level assessed in the last biannual report.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254730,00.html

    I’ve made it on my own you FUCKING COWARD.

    Leave the kiddie porn alone and get Osama’s dick out of your mouth.

  41. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Betcha This Guy Is A Republican, Too

    “Man Arrested in Girl’s Pet Dog Beheading
    “AP

    “ST. PAUL, Minn. (March 23) – A 24-year-old man has been arrested … [for] cutting the head off of a 17-year-old girl’s pet dog and leaving it at her front door in a gift-wrapped box.

    “The man, who is expected to be arraigned Friday, … may be charged with animal cruelty. … Police said the man … may have had a romantic interest in the girl.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/34omd2

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: When a Democrat gets romantic he sends hearts and flowers; when a Republican gets randy, he sends decapitated heads. No wonder the pukes are having trouble reproducing.

  42. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I Know For Sure This Guy Is A Republican

    “Ex-Deputy Pleads Guilty in Abramoff Case
    “By JOHN HEILPRIN
    “AP

    “WASHINGTON (March 23) – Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles pleaded guilty Friday to obstruction of justice in a Senate committee’s investigation, becoming the highest-ranking Bush administration official convicted in the Jack Abramoff corruption scandal.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/2jfvu3

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: He won’t be the “highest-ranking” Bushie to be convicted of lying to Congress for very long. The line forms at the rear of the courtroom, pukes! Take a number and wait your turn.

  43. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, that’s another Republican who won’t be eligible to vote in ’08! Things are looking grimmer for the GOP every day.

  44. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @47 What are we retreating from? A Sunni-Shiite civil war halfway around the world? Awwww … did poor lil Bushie get run out of the Baghdad casbah?

  45. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @51 “bottom line is that bad behavior crosses all political lines”

    Yeah, but it seems like 98% of it has been on your side lately.

  46. 57

    GBS spews:

    The only Party of Defeat are the Republicans.

    Defeated at the polls in Nov ’06.

    Will be defeated in Nov ’08 & 2010.

    Baaa haaa haaa haaa

    Keep tryin’ loser. How’s that Fox Story workin’ for ya how Bush has fucked up the military?

    You defeatist.

  47. 58

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Man, I’m going to miss this. I’m off to colonize Nevada, and make it a safer place to be a Democrat. The bitch of it though, is that it seems that the nearest DL to Reno is out in Fernley. Oh well. Keep up the good work, and have fun playing whack-a-troll without me.

  48. 59

    GBS spews:

    White House spokesman Snow to have surgery
    Colon cancer survivor to have growth in abdomen removed Monday

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17757874/

    How much do you wanna bet he’s only having the “surgery” to try and change the news cycle coming out of the White House?

    I’ll say this for those Bush loyalists, they’ll do anything they’re told, even “surgery.”

    Hey, didn’t Tony Snow have his colon removed in 2005?

    I wonder where he hides his colostomy bag when he’s at the podium.

  49. 60

    spews:

    Mr. Stuff

    You post about a South Dakota politician where it is alleged that he was inappropriate with an 18 year old.

    We post about a US Congressman that has a long history of inappropriate behaviour with 16 year old pages, where several members of the House leadership has apparently conspired to keep this information from the public.

    You post about a local San Francisco politician that has an affair with the wife of an aide.

    We post about corruption and lies at the highest level of national government.

    Somehow you see these things as being equivalent.

    I’m opposed to shoplifting, and I consider it to be a crime, but I can’t see it as being equivalent to mass murder. Apparently Republicans can.

  50. 62

    Puddybud spews:

    John Barelli says:

    Mr. Stuff

    You post about a South Dakota politician where it is alleged that he was inappropriate with an 18 year old.

    We post about a US Congressman that has a long history of inappropriate behaviour with 16 year old pages, where several members of the House leadership has apparently conspired to keep this information from the public.

    Ahhh Yes John Barelli. Yes Mark Foley was/is/and shall ever be a GAY SCUMBAG (like many on your side)! While it is true Mark Foley was … Brian Ross of ABC News (remember he broke the story) admitted Foley broke no laws and… he didn’t MOLEST anyone who was age inappropriate!

    So what was your comparison again?

  51. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey stuffit — have you ever wondered why food prices are up 60%, gas prices are up 250%, your electricity bill is up 300%, and your heating bill is up 200% since the Bush coup seized power?

    REPUBLICANS ARE STEALING FROM YOU!!!!

  52. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: Come on man, that answer wuzn eeeeeeven close!

    Now stepping in the batters box for his second against Puddybud, at bat, Nuuuuuuuummber 48, G B S!

    PS: Try not striking out again!

  53. 65

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: Sorry I wuz in the north country so you missed lunch. Someday you can meet the mrs if you bring yours!

  54. 66

    Puddybud spews:

    So Moonbat!s why did your party put so much pork in the Defense Bill for the troops for a presidential VETO? Why did Nancy Pelosi have to bribe house members to get them to vote? Why did they send the enemy a timeline for our pullout? Why does you side like to deliver political theatre when our troops need support?

    Why are your side defeatists?

  55. 67

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    PUDDYIGNORANT:

    LONG STANDING NEEDS: HURRICANE RELIEF, DROUGHT RELIEF, AG ASSISTANCE, I.E. STUFF NEEDED TO GAIN WAFFLER’S SUPPORT. NO TRAINS OR BRIDGES TO NOWHERE – JUST BIDNESS.

    THERE WERE OVER 17,000 EARMARKS IN THE LAST CONGRESS. YOU SAY YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THAT.

    SO WHAT DID YOU DO?

  56. 68

    proud leftist spews:

    I dream of the day when the only Republicans around will be stuffed models in museums. Of course, children would need to be kept out of the viewing rooms as the wild-eyed, demonic visage of a Republican is something to which the young should not be exposed.

  57. 69

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    Why did they send the enemy a timeline for our pullout? Why does you side like to deliver political theatre when our troops need support?

    THIS IS PROPAGANDA. IT’S A LIE THAT DEM VOTERS AREN’T CONCERNED WITH THE NATION’S SECURITY OR THE WELL-BEING OF THE TROOPS.

    AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND WRONG STUFF LOVE TO REPEAT THOSE LIES.

  58. 70

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    the wild-eyed, demonic visage of a Republican

    LMAO!! HEY GBS, IS THAT WHAT PUDDY LOOKS LIKE?

  59. 71

    headless lucy spews:

    Right-Wing Authoritarian personality types have a mental defect that causes them to not be able to reason correctly. They have particular difficulty with syllogisms.

    The defect is illustrated in “reasoning tests”. They seem unable to grasp the concept that their ability to reason correctly is what is being tested.

    What Wingnuts typically do is look first for conclusions they agree with, and then assumethat the reasoning must be sound.

    The ideas they have are “received” not “conceived”. The trustworthiness of the authority figure propounding the idea is all important to them, not the quality of the idea or the reasoning process engaged to arrive at it.

    To us, it’s hilarious that they solemnly quote Rush and gather their :news” from the Drudge report, but in their own tiny minds, it all makes sense.

  60. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    Headlice: You old Ayn Rand, Leo Strauss lover. Reasoning test? hah hah hah hah haaaaaar!

    Quote Rush? You can look at my cache and you won’t find Rush Limbaugh visitations. His site isn’t even in the favorites list. I don’t need Rush to tell me how to think. But I know beyond the shadow of a doubt you visit Kos, Moore, Media Matters, Think Progress, and other sites to get your daily marching orders.

    YOU are so dense I use WaPo, LaT and NYT to make many of my points. I have ventured into the den of thieves (libtard) web sites to make my points.

    None of you can answer how many bad apples we’ve caught so far!

    You all are itching for an attack on the magnitude of the “show 24″ blast so you can ridicule Bush. Only one of you said no to that so we know where the real hatred is.

    Today’s vote proved the holier than though crap is exactly that. You are a lying sack of shits and the American people can see that in today’s vote.

    You put pork above the soldier.

    You put pork above the soldier’s protection.

    You put pork above the soldier’s family.

    You don’t give a RAT’S ASS about the soldier in Iraq!

  61. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    I love how clueless says it’s okay to stuff pork in a defense appropriations bill. I thought when Nancy PElosi came in she said “The era of pork barrel politics is dead”. Ain’t she the blatant liar all libtards are?

    So YOS LIB BRO, you decried it so loudly about pork barrel politics… but wait, that’s when you were still Clueless and thought LBBTNDP was a Bush lover. Now your side proved again it is a bunch of hypocrits!

    So Moonbat!s when the American people come home from work and see what your elected leaders did today “BF’ing the troops, they’ll be so glad they voted for you donkocrapts!

  62. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    Voice of Chalk Scratching filter is holding my other post so here is the bottom line until he releases it. I have it copied though.

    You side puts pork above the soldier.

    You side puts pork above the soldier’s protection.

    You side puts pork above the soldier’s family.

    You don’t give a RAT’S ASS about the soldier in Iraq!

  63. 76

    spews:

    Actually, Puddybud, while I consider Mr. Foley to be a scumbag (gay has nothing to do with it), the larger problem was the House leadership avoiding their responsibilities towards the pages.

    There was a bi-partisan group that was tasked with overseeing the page system, but they decided not to bother telling the Democratic member about the problems they had heard about, because some embarassing information might come out.

    At this point, those folks are no longer in positions of any real authority, so the problem has been mostly solved by the voters. My understanding is that there is still an ongoing investigation, but as there is considerable confusion as to which jurisdiction has authority, there may not be a criminal prosecution.

    My comments were a response to RightStuff, who posted a link to a story about a South Dakota State rep and an allegation of improper behavior with an 18 year old, and the Mayor of San Francisco that seems to have been involved in a mutually consensual affair with the wife of aide.

    Some folks on your side are having to really dig deep to find scandals to bring up as comparisons to the many scandals that the Republicans are involved with.

  64. 77

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: You are a history buff.

    Look at what the appeasers called Sir Winston Churchill in the 1930s.

    Look up what happened when Neville Chamberlain appeased Adolf Hitler.

    Look at what happend when the appeasers got Hitler all wrong.

    Who did they call for? Nooooo really.

    Look at who led Britain to victory.

    After the war look at what the “lost appeasers” said about Sir Winston Churchill!

  65. 78

    Puddybud spews:

    Good try John Barell. You used Mark Foley as your anit-cause celebre. If all the truth is not told then it’s not a fully truthful story.

    The GAY SCUMBAG AKA Mark Foley, got what he deserved. But it’s not about jurisdictions, that is a smoke screen your side is using. Brian Ross would have said other wise. ABC News is just a little higher than SEE BS News and they wanted to call the story the other way. I posted his last entry on the subject. Even the FBI said no laws were broken.

    Dream on John!

  66. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    For all you libtard Fascists out there, look at what Hitler did before he took the Jews to the camps.

    He disarmed the populace. He removed the equivalent of the second amendment right from the German people. Then he forcibly exterminated all the Jews.

    So Moonbat!s who wants to forcibly disarm the American populace? IT AIN’T THE NEOCONS! Fascist Moonbat!s want this!

    A bunch of libtard fascists, ALL OF YOU!

  67. 80

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    PUDDYBUD: YOU ARE LYING. YOU LIED ABOUT MWS REPEATEDLY AND YOU ARE LYING ABOUT PEOPLE’S POSITION ON NATIONAL SECURITY. YOU ARE DISHONEST. YOU ARE A LIAR. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

    YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM HURRICANE RELIEF. YOU THINK IT CAN ALL BE DONE BY BLOWHARDS LIKE YOU. YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM DROUGHT RELIEF AND YOU’D RATHER SPEND IT ON BRIDGES AND TRAINS TO NOWHERE – BECAUSE THAT HAS AN “R” NEXT TO IT.

    MANY DEMS WERE ELECTED IN TOUGH RED DISTRICTS AND THE PEOPLE THERE HAVE HAD THEIR NEEDS PUT ON HOLD WHILE DUBYA CARRIED ON WITH HIS DISASTER. SO OF COURSE THOSE DEMS WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEM A CHANCE. YOU’RE TOO STUPID TO SEE THAT.

    IF THE CHIMPANZEE VETOES THE BILL THEN IT’S HE WHO WILL ENDANGER THE TROOPS. IT’S BEEN ALL HIM ALL ALONG WHO’S PUT OVER 3000 SOLDIERS TO DEATH, AND MAIMED MANY, MANY MORE NOT TO MENTION THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS WHO HATE US NOW – ALL OF IT TO GET RE-ELECTED.

    THE CHIMPANZEE YOU VOTED FOR TWICE IS A MASS-MURDERER, A HARAVESTER OF DEATH AND PAIN AND DESPAIR AND YOU LOVE HIM FOR IT.

  68. 81

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    78 – PUT ON YOUR TIN FOIL HAT PUDDY SHINY SIDE OUT.

    I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR F’ING GUN UNLESS YOU DECIDE TO POINT IT AT PEOPLE WHO DON’T JACKBOOT TO YOUR FAVORITE RIGHT-WING BULLSHIT.

    THERE’S CONSEQUENCES IN THE CURRENT LAW FOR THAT.

  69. 82

    spews:

    Ah, the new battle cry of the Republicans:

    But no laws were broken

    While there are already a number of scandals where that statement has been proven false, even where it is true (and it often isn’t), it seems a very flimsy excuse.

    Lies to the public leading to war – “But no laws were broken

    US Attorneys fired for refusing to put party loyalty ahead of justice – “But no laws were broken

    Making lists of likely Democratic voters on assignment overseas with the military – “But no laws were broken

    Threatening letters and posters to Latino US citizens – “But no laws were broken

    A married, 52 year old Representative that heads the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children sending suggestive e-mails to a 16 year old page – “But no laws were broken

    Oddly enough, you folks don’t seem to see it the same way when a Democrat is in the spotlight. For example, you keep bringing up Rep Frank:

    In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male prostitute whom Rep. Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted a prostitution ring from Frank’s apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie’s activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.

    (From Wikipedia)

    as a comparison, “But no laws were brokenand the House (including the Democrats) voted to censure him anyway. (Appropriate, as he may not have broken any laws, but he used incredibly bad judgement.)

    So, Puddybud, you folks keep on chanting that “But no laws were broken” mantra, and those among you for whom that statement is true can visit the rest of you over in Club Fed.

  70. 83

    ArtFart spews:

    This discussion seems to be providing particularly vivid evidence, that Puddy lives in a very different “reality”.

    These folks have been listening to their own bullshit for so long that they’ve come to believe it themselves. Sooner or later maybe they’ll convince themselves they can fly and merrily leap off some cliff.

    It’ll be fun to watch. (Just kidding!)

  71. 84

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud at 64:

    Stop being the artful dodger and answer my questions. I answered yours. You asked if we knew the number off the top of my head without using Google. I answered you HONESTLY, I didn’t know the figure off the top of my head.

    So you should be able to give the Yes or No answers to 33, 36, & 38.

    Sheeeeeez, why do you make everything so difficult?

  72. 85

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud @ 73:

    What pork?

    Puddybud @ 74:

    No, no, no and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    It’s Bush who is putting pork over the soldiers. If he wants to fund his soldiers all he has to do is sign the damn legislation. The choice is his, and his alone.

    You are 100% wrong on every point in your post @ 74.

    Why won’t Bush support the troops and sign the legislationg that gives Bush every penny he asked for the troops.

    Why won’t he support the troops in harms way?

  73. 86

    YO spews:

    gbs you little fuckin pissant why dont you enlist and take your buddy yo lib with you. oh thats right i forgot they booted your ass out of the navy.lossssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssser.

  74. 87

    GBS spews:

    YO:

    dum shiit.hows that wellfair cheek workin out fer ya.ill bet the best partt of you ran down you’re dads leg.you lossssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssser.

  75. 88

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud @ 76:

    Don’t go there! You know and I know and everybody who’s read our exchanges knows I’ve spanked your ass in history; BLACK history at that!

    You ought not be concerned with appeasers in England prior to WWII.

    You ought to be concerned with the Republicans who tucked their tails between their legs, turned in circles and piddeled on the floor like a scared puppy. Or, when YO wets the bed and his bother beats him and hangs his piss stained sheets out of his bedroom window.

    Thank GOD Democratic MEN were present during the formation of America during her greatest battle for survival. That proves God loves and trust men who are Democrats to defend the homeland and our women.

    The battle cry for Demlocrats is “Come on MEN!! You too, Republicans.”

    Republicans say “I have other priorities besides military service.” Or, “Daaaaa-ddddd-yyyyyyy, can you get me in the Champagne unit of the Texas Air National Guard?”

    Let me ask you serious question; who led England and the Allies to victory?

  76. 89

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud @ 78:

    Do you understand the Patirot Act and the Military Commission Act of 2006.

    Fuck the 2nd amendment if there is no Habeous Corpus. That, my friend, has already been extinguished.

    Plus, you really leaving out a lot of similarities in the Nazi’s run up to power that are extremely similar to the Republcian propoganda Machine.

    Have you ever read the 2nd amendment?

  77. 90

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud,

    Did you see the recent Convicted Culture of Corruption Conservative??

    Yeahhhhhhh, he’s getting a new Federal ID number. Hmmmmm. . . How many Democrats have been convicted of felonies in the last year?

  78. 91

    GBS spews:

    Ex-aide to Gonzales agrees to testify
    Sampson exchanged e-mails about firings of federal prosecutors

    WASHINGTON – The former top aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales agreed Friday to testify at a Senate inquiry next week into the firings of eight U.S. attorneys last year.

    Kyle Sampson, who resigned last week amid the furor over the dismissals, will appear Thursday at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, his attorney said. His appearance will mark the first congressional testimony by a Justice Department aide since the release of thousands of documents that show the firings were orchestrated, in part, by the White House.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17758413/

    My, ohhhhh, myyyyyy! The fall from grace is about to happen, folks. This is the guy who holds all the secrets and we’re going to get SWORN testimony that is going to implicate Rove.

    If the testimony indicates the possibility of a crime on the part of Rove, Miers, or Gonzo, Katie-bar-the-door we gonna have us an ol’ fashion impeachment.

    For those of you who haven’t read the Constituion, Art.II Powers of the Executive, presidential pardons are expressely forbidden in matters of impeachment.

    Oh, my.

  79. 92

    GBS spews:

    Puddybud,

    The more you stand by these crooks, the more you are hurting your party.

    The only thing that can save keep the Republican Party relevant is if true Republicans stand up to these criminals right NOW.

    Personally, I hope they fight it all the way, and people like Tom DeLay keep spewing their shit. Bottom line Americans are tired of the bullshit and it is going to stop one way or the other. Either accountability, Impeachment or elections. If it’s the latter, oh shiiiiiit you’re going to be retired by the time you see the ass-clown Republicans running congress again.

    Or, you could vote Libertarian.

    PSA for “Libertarian”:
    All Republicans, vote Libertarian!

  80. 93

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @66 Do I hear our very own puddingbutt complaining about congressional EARMARKS?!!

  81. 95

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @78 “For all you libtard Fascists out there, look at what Hitler did before he took the Jews to the camps. He disarmed the populace”

    We understand, pudwhacker. That’s why liberals are arming.

  82. 96

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Isn’t it interesting how the Wingnut Theory of “supporting the troops” consists of feeding their bodies into a bloody foreign civil war with no mission, no exit strategy, no idea of what they’re supposed to do there …

  83. 97

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @81 “Making lists of likely Democratic voters on assignment overseas with the military – “But no laws were broken”

    Ahhh … but laws WERE broken. Because these lists are aimed at black soldiers, and that IS a felony …

  84. 98

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, don’t look for THIS administration to prosecute real felonies. They’re too busy looking for imaginary Democrat felon voters …

  85. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    I’m still waiting for someone to tell me the number.

    You all are proving the lack of knowledge regarding our national security, but you worry about the firings of attorneys.

  86. 103

    Puddybud spews:

    John Barelli: Did you READ what I wrote? I saying for the third time Mark Foley is a Gay SCUMBAG. But for all your screaming on ASSWipes the FBI said he DIDN’T break the laws as they can tell. Now if he did, let me be the first neocon like I was with Bob Ney, fry his ass!

    Remember it was you Moonbat!s who kept saying DeLay was going to get fried. Well I’m still waiting.

  87. 104

    Puddybud spews:

    GBS: I stand with someone who is looking to protect us. The number is in the thousands and increasing so far. Find that in the MSM Moonbat!s.

    DK

  88. 105

    Puddybud spews:

    With the Moonbat!s now in control Pelosi and gang added domestic spending increases at least $20 Billion. The Moonbat!s said there are no plans to offset the spending to prevent increases in the deficit. Hmmm…? Another campaign promise broken by your liars!

  89. 106

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    I’m still waiting for someone to tell me the number.

    JUST LIKE MWS YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SUCKS! THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH GOOD DETECTIVE WORK. NOTHING WRONG WITH CATCHING TERRORISTS BEFORE THEY STRIKE. I’D SALUTE YOU IF YOU DID THAT.

    THERE’S A HELL OF A LOT WRONG WITH STIRRING UP A HORNET’S NEST AND HAVING 3000+ AMERICANS DIE AND 20000 AMERICANS LOSE THEIR LIMBS OR HAVE THEIR MINDS MESSED UP DUE TO YOUR CHIMP’S FOLLY.

    9/11 HAPPENED ON YOUR CHIMP’S WATCH. WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

  90. 107

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    The number is in the thousands

    UNTIL YOU GIVE THE SOURCE, I’LL ASSUME YOU GOT IT FROM ONE OF YOUR RIGHT-WING BULLSHIT SITES.

  91. 108

    YOS LIB BRO spews:

    added domestic spending increases at least $20 Billion.

    NICE TO KNOW YOU’RE AGAINST DROUGHT AND HURRICANE RELIEF. THOSE THINGS DON’T COUNT. ONLY CREATING MORE TERRORISTS IN IRAQ IS ALL YOU CARE ABOUT.

  92. 109

    spews:

    Yes, Puddybud, I read it, and replied that he was simply a scumbag. Gay didn’t enter into it.

    In a later post, I also wrote some related information, aimed primarily at the new mantra from the right that you repeated in your post. You remember “but no laws were broken“.

    I find it very amusing how often we’re hearing that little phrase from Republicans. Often it seems that they take one small part of the entire situation and claim that since no law was broken at that particular point, that everything is ok, and that we’re just picking on you poor, beleaguered Republicans.

    Example – in the whole US attorney flailex that we’re currently enjoying, the President has the right to fire political appointees unless he is doing so in an effort to subvert the justice system. That’s a pretty important “unless”, but there’s more.

    His Cabinet members also do not have the right to lie under oath to Congress about the matter.

    So, “no laws were broken” in any firing that was done unless the firings were done to punish the US Attorney for putting his duties ahead of party loyalty.

    And if someone lied under oath to Congress, then the person that testified falsely did break the law, even if the firings themselves were perfectly legal.

  93. 110

    rorry likes anuses spews:

    Sullivan is a bit of flake in the gay community. He is the epitome of double speak white gay guy – he clings to the idea that the so called conservative movement offers progress on gay rights. Really a bunch of outdated and flim flam suppositions which have made him rich, books, TV, etc.
    Wrong.

    He seems bright enough, but NOT so bright so as to change parties and politics for his own survival.

    Hot house activist, getting paid to pretend the gay movement which he somehow speaks for, has a lot of conservatives from big cities.

    Wrong.

    A few years back he was outed as a bare backing fan, getting fucked without condoms. Since he admits to being HIV positive, that did not settle well. Bad, bad, bad and from an educated city fellow, very academic, not a trailer park rube. Bad, bad, bad.

  94. 111

    spews:

    I think engineer, Stanford graduate Herbert Hoover had a lot more on the ball than George W. I think Warren Harding comparison would be the most appropriate.